Which features the drug war from a truly conservative point of view.
...note that the prime movers in keeping drugs illegal are:
1) the religious whackos (who don't want us to see God on our own time);
2) The corporations (it was business owners in southern california that originally outlawed marijuana; primarly because Mexican labor was "difficult to control" while high.
3) the police state, which expends massive amounts of money in and out of the USA attempting to stop illicit drugs, then bills the taxpayer accordingly;
4) the countries producing illegal drugs, since the black market allows them to create a bindle of powder for $0.25 and sell it to the end user for $100, but only if it's kept illegal.
Try to realize that the Corporate point of view is not republican, democrat, liberal or conservative.
Corporations are legally bound to put shareholder profits ahead of quality or value to the end user/buyer, which is devastating to the free market.
George Orwell was right, we now live in a dystopia where Corporations control the media and are brainwashing us into thinking things are getting better, when we clearly have fewer rights and liberties than our parents/grandparents, and less choice.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
You accuse me of sophistry when you have made the logical error of linking child molestion and drug use?
There is no scientific evidence to support such a link. This assertion is as crazy as saying "being a christian leads to child molestations" -- certainly, you have seen the various instances of molestations by church officials in the news over the years.
Or perhaps the Ministry have had their sins washed away by the blood of the lamb of God? Yet you won't free non-violent Amercians from prison for treatment? (BTW, child molestation is a violent crime--I don't suggest child molesters should be freed!)
The boxer rebellion? Lost productivity in Britain? I don't advocate the use of drugs, I advocate treatment of drug users rather than incarceration in what is obviously a failed, corrupt venture that burns billions of dollars and kills many people -- due to the freaky women at:
www.actu.org
...who want to take away just about anything that would take your mind away from the Lord Jesus.
PS: I've read the scholars' translation of the Quelle...and think Jesus was magnificent. I also think the western pervesion of of writings is a pathetic sheep-leading joke.
Good Day!
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I know it seems odd for we to take the discussion from squaters->anarchy->drug war, but the way I responded relates to the way I perceived what I thought was an abuse of the word "anarchy". Bear with me for a second.
Specifically, the squaters may be viewed as anarchists, but IMHO, only if the western world is true to the concepts of liberty and freedom...I felt the drug war is an excellent example of why the western world is not free, or based in liberty...we are taught that we live in freedom and liberty, but, like the squaters who had their paychecks stolen, this may well be an illusion.
Your requests for further notes on the puritanism and temperence of early America, and its influence on alcohol and drug laws, can be found below:
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/media/pw2.ht m
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wod.html
There are also more stats on the prison figures, that other posters have requested.
BTW, I learned a lot of this from my Dad, who is 80 years old. He remembers how the mobsters fought and killed people for their alcohol turf. He despises the "Drug War" and urges all to review the stats, and free our non-violent American citizens for treatment, as I do.
It's too bad so many older people who remember the errors of the past are not given more of a voice. The drug issues is a billion dollar enterprise from a number of points of view...law enforcement, incarceration, masses of money ($100 or more for a tiny bindle of powder which costs approximately $0.25 to produce!) lost productivity due to incarceration of non-violent, treatable citizens, the violence of the illegal market.
Thanks for the reply,
S.D.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
The US has more people in prison, by percentage, then Stalin did in the former USSR.
The prohibition laws against drugs and alcohol were proposed by the USAs cult leaders, who complained that "one could not properly serve the lord while under the influences of these substances"
America's prison industry is the fastest growing segment of the economy.
Treatment, not tyranny.
Free America's POWs. End the drug war.
For more information, see:
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/buckley1.html
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
1) VARs seem to ignore it. Like it or not, VARs use VB and hire lots of programmers to write software. VB and MS. Not Linux. That has to change, but it isn't. Borland needs to get back to their roots and...rather than put Kylix on sale at $199.00...sale it like good old turbo pascal for $49.00. That would hurt MS and really help Linux.
2) No one is guiding Linux. Sun, SGI, IBM, etc. need to do what car companies do. Sit regular old people down in front of a windows box and a linux box, and take copius note WRT the installaion and use. These types of studies happen in all fields, and used to happen in s/w until MS cheapened the product so. Let's do some real usability studies.
Finally, Linux no longer has "dot-bomb" money to rely on to spread servers. I saw some instrumentation running on NT 4.0 the other day that was much better than anything I've ever seen on WinDOS before. It was scary -- fast and reliable (for a price, of course).
The last time I really used and developed under NT, it was a real piece of shit. Dog slow, the third party components were broken and undocumented, or documented wrong.
The package I looked at the other day was slick, fast, and solid. It was processing a lot of real time data, and it did it for hours. Three years ago, this was not the case.
Linux can make it, but there are a lot of companies that, at this point, would just like to dump their programming stuff and use COTS that's supported by some VAR. Linux does not have this. It requires technology buffs to install, and (other than Kylix and, to some extent glade) has no free GUI builder.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
i don't know what model sgi's you are using, but every benchmark we've run shows a modern intel or amd based linux box blowing the crap out of our origins...often 2-10x faster...sometimes more.
i seriously doubt the playstation can approach a high end gaming pc in price/performance, unless you have code specifically designed to take advantage of the ps2 gfx. so, you would have to benchmark the linux/ps2 against a good pc gaming platform.
if they are using 2.4 kernel, they pretty much have to be using xfree 4.x...if they aren't you can give it up anyway...anything pre xfree 4.x is worthless for serious graphics.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
...even worse, Blair let an MS shop in the gov make the decisions and axe all the free software shops.
oh well, it might be a freebie now, but man will MS bend them over in the coming years once they're hooked.
very annoying to see all the posts that say "read the article! it works for me!" obviously, you didn't read the article, cuz it states that SOME parts work with SOME certs on SOME versions of netscape on SOME platforms.
sheesh.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
So they can run through the store, buy everything they need (and stuff they don't need?) than run home to see "Star Trek Voyager" or "Cops".
I'm not so sure if your logic is all that valid..."people prefer buying in big stores". What is that based on? The fact that big stores have more customers? That's pretty circular.
See my other reply above for more info. I'm very concerned that people will apply your logic in this way..."everyone uses brand X...so it must be the best ever!"...when the brand X corporation has loads of lobbyists, corporate welfare, etc. that helps them wipe out family businesses that clearly had better value.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
But they aren't. Mega-corps have organized lobbyists and marketing departments w/ large budgets that spend their entire day making the corporation grow and look good.
Mom-n-pops do not have such resources, and consumers are (like it or not) trained to eat what they are served. I really believe that.
Another problem is "buying on the cheap". Somehow, people have learned a great falsehood -- that "cheaper" == "better". Eat your $0.49 fat/sugar/salt burger...yummmy, yum, yum. The next generation will probably think we live like kings.
Case in point: 12 years ago, we had a mom-n-pop grocer in my neighborhood, run by a swedish family.
Every year, they made the most delicious sausage you can imagine. The butcher shop had only the finest meats, hand picked by the owner. This sausage was not fatty. It was traditional homemade sausage -- low fat, lots of quality spices and grains. Absolutely, incredibly delicious.
The food in this market was about 20% more expensive than, say, the Albertsons that opened up the street. After Albertson's opened, the old market was out of business in less than three months. This was after being open for twenty years.
So, the question is, is our community better off? We have cheaper food, and crappy sausage.
This scenario is straight out of Goerge Orwells' 1984 -- where quality products are slowly replaced by junk, and we are all told how much better off we are.
It's a lie, it's dystopia, and it's happening in the "good old USA". I've eaten real food, and it's getting harder get anything of quality.
Perhaps something that should open all our eyes is a trip to the hardware store, if you still have one. Even a home depot. Often, you will see cheap tools next to expensive ones. They do the same job, but you can see, just from a rudimentary inspection, that the cheap one will last perhaps several usages, while the quality tool will last a lifetime.
It's an old adage...that you get what you pay for...but when choice is eliminated you (and future generations) will never know the difference. In fact, they will be trained (via the media) that "things have never been better or so plentiful". In fact, they will be corporate slaves.
For example, do a quick search on "motorcycle recreation insurance" on Google. Few people realize that a massive change is taking place on your health insurance.
Traditionally, company insurance provided health care 24/7, but the new laws will protect you only at home and work. All recreational activities will cost extra (gym, motorcycle, bicycle, etc).
So, eat that fatty burger and huddle safe in your house waiting for that heart attack...America has never been so grand!
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I sometimes wonder if some type of regulation could "force" corporations to consider the customer before the shareholders.
That's the worst of corporate America -- putting the needs of the shareholders ahead of the customer. This naturally leads to poor quality for the end user.
Contrast this with the mom-n-pop outfits...in a community, if a company treats a customer poorly, that customer tells friends and business falters. The shop owner must serve the customers and keep them happy.
Corporations are remote entities...difficult to sue. The internet is a huge problem for them, a musician can look on the web for something like "Rambozo Inc. Sucks" and find all the people who got screwed by Rambozo. Now they can gang together and possibly do some damage?
That's the ideal side. Reality will probably end up being something much more hideous...I do believe the world is entering a severe dystopian cycle, courtesy of the US corporations.
The vegans are probably the only glimmer of hope? They reject McDonalds and riot at globalization meetings. Tear it up people, somehow we've got to get some sanity back into the world.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
> Like it or not, open source has not generally
> produced fundamentally new technologies at the
> rate Microsoft has.
Microsoft does not create new technologies. They bundle and homogenize existing technologies, making them cheaper and easier to install and use.
> Microsoft has had a component based desktop for
> years, and we are just now starting to get
> workable ones.
Once again, X and Unix had it first. But it was so expensive and difficult to get X/Unix programmers once a project was released, that Motif (or other existing component models) did not get widely used because it was expensive and complex. They were available before VB, by the way.
> (QT Designer, Kylix)
These GUI builders have just built on products like Xdesigner -- which was started in 1982...before VB existed.
>...groupware...
Sorry, Novell and IBM had groupware products out before MS knew what network cards were.
Sorry about the historical corrections, but people constantly assume that MS has beaten everyone by having "newer" or "innovative" technologies, when the truth is Microsoft has stomped the hell out of the competition by homogenizing and bundling, and in some cases, breaking the competitors' product.
As far as I know, the basic design and capability of every Microsoft feature/product was created elsewhere...Microsoft just made it cheaper and easier to use.
Why buy a $20,000 Unix desktop, $50,000 worth of software when you can call Compaq or Dell and get a phat Win2K box for $2K, with at least some of what you mentioned.
For things like GUI building, you can get VC++ pro for under a grand, while Xdesigner is (probably still) several thousand dollars, at least.
Let's face it, Linux is beating on MS as far as servers...apache and Linux are free, Win2K and IIS are pricey.
The people operating servers are usually at least somewhat smart. It's a struggle to set up either MS or Linux to work right. So why not use the free version?
The destop is another story. "The Masses" have already struggled and bluescreened their way to a home PC they can use. Now they are being asked to learn Linux in order to save $75? That's a much tougher road to travel, perhaps impossible.
The gist of what you say is correct, in that Microsoft is where they are today not due to anything particularly earth shaking on their part, but because the competition was inept.
Nearly everyone outside of MS was used to selling extremely high cost/high markup products to the high tech.gov -- why should they even look at the home / business PC market? They let MS take it, assuming it would take twenty years for MS to enter the pro computing environment...by which time they would have retired anyway.
It's all about a "revolution from below" -- Microsoft is doing it to high end computing, and open source is trying to do it to Microsoft.
---
S.D.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
is computer game-playing teaching people that unless things are exiting, explosive, with people dying, a movie is boring?
that's what i read from the review.
my dad flew in wwii, mostly to meet girls. and he met a lot.
his mom was very down to earth, very homey, always baking bread and keepig the house clean. it really was a simpler time.
i hope that one day humanity learns to survive without the need to kill or blow things up for excitement, and two people can look into each other's eyes, with a smile and anticipation, without that being "boring" to the viewer.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
i think motif is okay, but in all honesty gnome is moving farther, faster than motif/cde (so is KDE, i wish there was a free Qt replacement).
add the fact that this is a free os, supported by pros, which also runs on the x86 architecture, and a stable version might be a decent alternative for people who phear the penguin.
congrats, sun, on taking some risk.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
1) they don't understand the difference between gpl and lgpl.
2) they think gpl means "open source" (look at their site!)
3) they don't understand that they could solve this by working with the author.
must be embarassing to sift through the gpl and construe meaning that isn't there. i think the court would agree that the strongly worded gpl and lgpl definitions far outweigh the "seperate distribution" course they are trying to take.
RMS has said many, many times that you absolutely may not treat a GPL lib as an so/dll w/o releasing your linking code. it's in print all over the fsf site.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
Maybe what I dislike most about X, Motif and OpenGL is the visual inheritance...it sucks to see menus/popups/drag ops crashing apps. The "Green Book" molview program explains how to get past this issue.
The gui builders are usually expensive and weak, or generate proprietary stubs, or use proprietary libs, locking you to the vendor. I still write a lot of Motif apps by hand. The runtime is nice and fast compared to alternatives like Tcl and Java.
The Xbae matrix (from lesstif.org) is one of the fastest matrix displays I've ever seen.
Motif is really not that bad looking...it's all in the resources.
If you want to talk about some ugliness, I still cringe at the naming conventions and typing in GTK. I know why they did it, but it still makes me cringe.
Now that Motif is free, I can't see any reason to consider Qt with it's expensive licensing...at least for closed source.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I'm sorry, I doubt this project will ever pay for itself. for 1500 ft. they would have been far better off using another low loss system, like UHV or something.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
If everyone stood outside with their AOL cds, and reflected the sun toward the meteor, maybe that would burn it up before it got into the solar system.
the real question is...does making a "hello world" app under kdevelop touch the qt libs?
how much control, developing under qt, do you have over whether or not you project uses qt?
if there is no clean answer to this question, the author of the article is a very, very confused person.
touching qt requires that you either open source your project or pay trolltech $1550 per developer -- more than twice the cost of visual c++ pro and w2k combined.
Gnome/FSF only require that you free your software if you modify GPL software...that is, system libs are lgpl, which lets oracle, netscape and a few others play in the linux sandbox.
naturally, the fsf would prefer all software be free...but many people don't understand the true costs and collaboration between the KDE and QT people.
Slashdot Mirror
http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html
Which features the drug war from a truly conservative point of view.
...note that the prime movers in keeping drugs illegal are:
1) the religious whackos (who don't want us to see God on our own time);
2) The corporations (it was business owners in southern california that originally outlawed marijuana; primarly because Mexican labor was "difficult to control" while high.
3) the police state, which expends massive amounts of money in and out of the USA attempting to stop illicit drugs, then bills the taxpayer accordingly;
4) the countries producing illegal drugs, since the black market allows them to create a bindle of powder for $0.25 and sell it to the end user for $100, but only if it's kept illegal.
Try to realize that the Corporate point of view is not republican, democrat, liberal or conservative.
Corporations are legally bound to put shareholder profits ahead of quality or value to the end user/buyer, which is devastating to the free market.
George Orwell was right, we now live in a dystopia where Corporations control the media and are brainwashing us into thinking things are getting better, when we clearly have fewer rights and liberties than our parents/grandparents, and less choice.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
...that less than 6% of the USA population earn more than $65K a year, and that less than 2% of the USA population control over 40% of the wealth...
is this true?
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
Finally, the ultimate link:
http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/Beck1.html
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
www.wctu.org
(sorry)
taking away your personal freedoms for 127 years and counting.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
You accuse me of sophistry when you have made the logical error of linking child molestion and drug use?
There is no scientific evidence to support such a link. This assertion is as crazy as saying "being a christian leads to child molestations" -- certainly, you have seen the various instances of molestations by church officials in the news over the years.
Or perhaps the Ministry have had their sins washed away by the blood of the lamb of God? Yet you won't free non-violent Amercians from prison for treatment? (BTW, child molestation is a violent crime--I don't suggest child molesters should be freed!)
The boxer rebellion? Lost productivity in Britain? I don't advocate the use of drugs, I advocate treatment of drug users rather than incarceration in what is obviously a failed, corrupt venture that burns billions of dollars and kills many people -- due to the freaky women at:
www.actu.org
...who want to take away just about anything that would take your mind away from the Lord Jesus.
PS: I've read the scholars' translation of the Quelle...and think Jesus was magnificent. I also think the western pervesion of of writings is a pathetic sheep-leading joke.
Good Day!
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
Hi,
t m
I know it seems odd for we to take the discussion from squaters->anarchy->drug war, but the way I responded relates to the way I perceived what I thought was an abuse of the word "anarchy". Bear with me for a second.
Specifically, the squaters may be viewed as anarchists, but IMHO, only if the western world is true to the concepts of liberty and freedom...I felt the drug war is an excellent example of why the western world is not free, or based in liberty...we are taught that we live in freedom and liberty, but, like the squaters who had their paychecks stolen, this may well be an illusion.
Your requests for further notes on the puritanism and temperence of early America, and its influence on alcohol and drug laws, can be found below:
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/media/pw2.h
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wod.html
There are also more stats on the prison figures, that other posters have requested.
BTW, I learned a lot of this from my Dad, who is 80 years old. He remembers how the mobsters fought and killed people for their alcohol turf. He despises the "Drug War" and urges all to review the stats, and free our non-violent American citizens for treatment, as I do.
It's too bad so many older people who remember the errors of the past are not given more of a voice. The drug issues is a billion dollar enterprise from a number of points of view...law enforcement, incarceration, masses of money ($100 or more for a tiny bindle of powder which costs approximately $0.25 to produce!) lost productivity due to incarceration of non-violent, treatable citizens, the violence of the illegal market.
Thanks for the reply,
S.D.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
Anarchy?
The US has a drug war.
The US has more people in prison, by percentage, then Stalin did in the former USSR.
The prohibition laws against drugs and alcohol were proposed by the USAs cult leaders, who complained that "one could not properly serve the lord while under the influences of these substances"
America's prison industry is the fastest growing segment of the economy.
Treatment, not tyranny.
Free America's POWs. End the drug war.
For more information, see:
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/buckley1.html
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I'm concerned about two things WRT free software.
1) VARs seem to ignore it. Like it or not, VARs use VB and hire lots of programmers to write software. VB and MS. Not Linux. That has to change, but it isn't. Borland needs to get back to their roots and...rather than put Kylix on sale at $199.00...sale it like good old turbo pascal for $49.00. That would hurt MS and really help Linux.
2) No one is guiding Linux. Sun, SGI, IBM, etc. need to do what car companies do. Sit regular old people down in front of a windows box and a linux box, and take copius note WRT the installaion and use. These types of studies happen in all fields, and used to happen in s/w until MS cheapened the product so. Let's do some real usability studies.
Finally, Linux no longer has "dot-bomb" money to rely on to spread servers. I saw some instrumentation running on NT 4.0 the other day that was much better than anything I've ever seen on WinDOS before. It was scary -- fast and reliable (for a price, of course).
The last time I really used and developed under NT, it was a real piece of shit. Dog slow, the third party components were broken and undocumented, or documented wrong.
The package I looked at the other day was slick, fast, and solid. It was processing a lot of real time data, and it did it for hours. Three years ago, this was not the case.
Linux can make it, but there are a lot of companies that, at this point, would just like to dump their programming stuff and use COTS that's supported by some VAR. Linux does not have this. It requires technology buffs to install, and (other than Kylix and, to some extent glade) has no free GUI builder.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
i don't know what model sgi's you are using, but every benchmark we've run shows a modern intel or amd based linux box blowing the crap out of our origins...often 2-10x faster...sometimes more.
i seriously doubt the playstation can approach a high end gaming pc in price/performance, unless you have code specifically designed to take advantage of the ps2 gfx. so, you would have to benchmark the linux/ps2 against a good pc gaming platform.
if they are using 2.4 kernel, they pretty much have to be using xfree 4.x...if they aren't you can give it up anyway...anything pre xfree 4.x is worthless for serious graphics.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
...even worse, Blair let an MS shop in the gov make the decisions and axe all the free software shops.
oh well, it might be a freebie now, but man will MS bend them over in the coming years once they're hooked.
very annoying to see all the posts that say "read the article! it works for me!" obviously, you didn't read the article, cuz it states that SOME parts work with SOME certs on SOME versions of netscape on SOME platforms.
sheesh.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
So they can run through the store, buy everything they need (and stuff they don't need?) than run home to see "Star Trek Voyager" or "Cops".
I'm not so sure if your logic is all that valid..."people prefer buying in big stores". What is that based on? The fact that big stores have more customers? That's pretty circular.
See my other reply above for more info. I'm very concerned that people will apply your logic in this way..."everyone uses brand X...so it must be the best ever!"...when the brand X corporation has loads of lobbyists, corporate welfare, etc. that helps them wipe out family businesses that clearly had better value.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I'd agree if all things were equal.
But they aren't. Mega-corps have organized lobbyists and marketing departments w/ large budgets that spend their entire day making the corporation grow and look good.
Mom-n-pops do not have such resources, and consumers are (like it or not) trained to eat what they are served. I really believe that.
Another problem is "buying on the cheap". Somehow, people have learned a great falsehood -- that "cheaper" == "better". Eat your $0.49 fat/sugar/salt burger...yummmy, yum, yum. The next generation will probably think we live like kings.
Case in point: 12 years ago, we had a mom-n-pop grocer in my neighborhood, run by a swedish family.
Every year, they made the most delicious sausage you can imagine. The butcher shop had only the finest meats, hand picked by the owner. This sausage was not fatty. It was traditional homemade sausage -- low fat, lots of quality spices and grains. Absolutely, incredibly delicious.
The food in this market was about 20% more expensive than, say, the Albertsons that opened up the street. After Albertson's opened, the old market was out of business in less than three months. This was after being open for twenty years.
So, the question is, is our community better off? We have cheaper food, and crappy sausage.
This scenario is straight out of Goerge Orwells' 1984 -- where quality products are slowly replaced by junk, and we are all told how much better off we are.
It's a lie, it's dystopia, and it's happening in the "good old USA". I've eaten real food, and it's getting harder get anything of quality.
Perhaps something that should open all our eyes is a trip to the hardware store, if you still have one. Even a home depot. Often, you will see cheap tools next to expensive ones. They do the same job, but you can see, just from a rudimentary inspection, that the cheap one will last perhaps several usages, while the quality tool will last a lifetime.
It's an old adage...that you get what you pay for...but when choice is eliminated you (and future generations) will never know the difference. In fact, they will be trained (via the media) that "things have never been better or so plentiful". In fact, they will be corporate slaves.
For example, do a quick search on "motorcycle recreation insurance" on Google. Few people realize that a massive change is taking place on your health insurance.
Traditionally, company insurance provided health care 24/7, but the new laws will protect you only at home and work. All recreational activities will cost extra (gym, motorcycle, bicycle, etc).
So, eat that fatty burger and huddle safe in your house waiting for that heart attack...America has never been so grand!
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I sometimes wonder if some type of regulation could "force" corporations to consider the customer before the shareholders.
That's the worst of corporate America -- putting the needs of the shareholders ahead of the customer. This naturally leads to poor quality for the end user.
Contrast this with the mom-n-pop outfits...in a community, if a company treats a customer poorly, that customer tells friends and business falters. The shop owner must serve the customers and keep them happy.
Corporations are remote entities...difficult to sue. The internet is a huge problem for them, a musician can look on the web for something like "Rambozo Inc. Sucks" and find all the people who got screwed by Rambozo. Now they can gang together and possibly do some damage?
That's the ideal side. Reality will probably end up being something much more hideous...I do believe the world is entering a severe dystopian cycle, courtesy of the US corporations.
The vegans are probably the only glimmer of hope? They reject McDonalds and riot at globalization meetings. Tear it up people, somehow we've got to get some sanity back into the world.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
You are right, but for the wrong reasons.
...groupware...
.gov -- why should they even look at the home / business PC market? They let MS take it, assuming it would take twenty years for MS to enter the pro computing environment...by which time they would have retired anyway.
> Like it or not, open source has not generally
> produced fundamentally new technologies at the
> rate Microsoft has.
Microsoft does not create new technologies. They bundle and homogenize existing technologies, making them cheaper and easier to install and use.
> Microsoft has had a component based desktop for
> years, and we are just now starting to get
> workable ones.
Once again, X and Unix had it first. But it was so expensive and difficult to get X/Unix programmers once a project was released, that Motif (or other existing component models) did not get widely used because it was expensive and complex. They were available before VB, by the way.
> (QT Designer, Kylix)
These GUI builders have just built on products like Xdesigner -- which was started in 1982...before VB existed.
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Sorry, Novell and IBM had groupware products out before MS knew what network cards were.
Sorry about the historical corrections, but people constantly assume that MS has beaten everyone by having "newer" or "innovative" technologies, when the truth is Microsoft has stomped the hell out of the competition by homogenizing and bundling, and in some cases, breaking the competitors' product.
As far as I know, the basic design and capability of every Microsoft feature/product was created elsewhere...Microsoft just made it cheaper and easier to use.
Why buy a $20,000 Unix desktop, $50,000 worth of software when you can call Compaq or Dell and get a phat Win2K box for $2K, with at least some of what you mentioned.
For things like GUI building, you can get VC++ pro for under a grand, while Xdesigner is (probably still) several thousand dollars, at least.
Let's face it, Linux is beating on MS as far as servers...apache and Linux are free, Win2K and IIS are pricey.
The people operating servers are usually at least somewhat smart. It's a struggle to set up either MS or Linux to work right. So why not use the free version?
The destop is another story. "The Masses" have already struggled and bluescreened their way to a home PC they can use. Now they are being asked to learn Linux in order to save $75? That's a much tougher road to travel, perhaps impossible.
The gist of what you say is correct, in that Microsoft is where they are today not due to anything particularly earth shaking on their part, but because the competition was inept.
Nearly everyone outside of MS was used to selling extremely high cost/high markup products to the high tech
It's all about a "revolution from below" -- Microsoft is doing it to high end computing, and open source is trying to do it to Microsoft.
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Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
is computer game-playing teaching people that unless things are exiting, explosive, with people dying, a movie is boring?
that's what i read from the review.
my dad flew in wwii, mostly to meet girls. and he met a lot.
his mom was very down to earth, very homey, always baking bread and keepig the house clean. it really was a simpler time.
i hope that one day humanity learns to survive without the need to kill or blow things up for excitement, and two people can look into each other's eyes, with a smile and anticipation, without that being "boring" to the viewer.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
i think motif is okay, but in all honesty gnome is moving farther, faster than motif/cde (so is KDE, i wish there was a free Qt replacement).
add the fact that this is a free os, supported by pros, which also runs on the x86 architecture, and a stable version might be a decent alternative for people who phear the penguin.
congrats, sun, on taking some risk.
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1) they don't understand the difference between gpl and lgpl. 2) they think gpl means "open source" (look at their site!) 3) they don't understand that they could solve this by working with the author. must be embarassing to sift through the gpl and construe meaning that isn't there. i think the court would agree that the strongly worded gpl and lgpl definitions far outweigh the "seperate distribution" course they are trying to take. RMS has said many, many times that you absolutely may not treat a GPL lib as an so/dll w/o releasing your linking code. it's in print all over the fsf site.
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I think I have written about 70k of that!
Maybe what I dislike most about X, Motif and OpenGL is the visual inheritance...it sucks to see menus/popups/drag ops crashing apps. The "Green Book" molview program explains how to get past this issue.
The gui builders are usually expensive and weak, or generate proprietary stubs, or use proprietary libs, locking you to the vendor. I still write a lot of Motif apps by hand. The runtime is nice and fast compared to alternatives like Tcl and Java.
The Xbae matrix (from lesstif.org) is one of the fastest matrix displays I've ever seen.
Motif is really not that bad looking...it's all in the resources.
If you want to talk about some ugliness, I still cringe at the naming conventions and typing in GTK. I know why they did it, but it still makes me cringe.
Now that Motif is free, I can't see any reason to consider Qt with it's expensive licensing...at least for closed source.
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is it still $1500 license per developer for commercial apps (like with linux/windows)?
Is the $1500 per year, or is it for a few releases or what?
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
I'm sorry, I doubt this project will ever pay for itself. for 1500 ft. they would have been far better off using another low loss system, like UHV or something.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
just hack into one of these.
pick a logo for this thing :
"They plump when you cook 'em"
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"Just like ants under a magnifying glass"
If everyone stood outside with their AOL cds, and reflected the sun toward the meteor, maybe that would burn it up before it got into the solar system.
Many people called the Wright brothers nuts, and they made their stuff out of bicycle parts.
Both dropped out of High School.
They acheived flight w/o government/public money -- only what they earned via a printing business, then a bicycle shop.
I think he is carrying on a fine tradition where one person with guts can make a big impact on the world.
mimimal research shows Maxwell did this years before this dude was born.
Even worse, this has absolutely nothing to do with color film (kodachrome).
Lame, Lame, Lame. Let's all rewrite history.
the real question is...does making a "hello world" app under kdevelop touch the qt libs?
how much control, developing under qt, do you have over whether or not you project uses qt?
if there is no clean answer to this question, the author of the article is a very, very confused person.
touching qt requires that you either open source your project or pay trolltech $1550 per developer -- more than twice the cost of visual c++ pro and w2k combined.
Gnome/FSF only require that you free your software if you modify GPL software...that is, system libs are lgpl, which lets oracle, netscape and a few others play in the linux sandbox.
naturally, the fsf would prefer all software be free...but many people don't understand the true costs and collaboration between the KDE and QT people.