As long as the extensions you've added don't cause you to fail conformance testing your format is still ISO, or whatever governing body maintains the standard, compliant.
I like how all you did was back up his statement of:
RedHat is the company who makes OSS work as much as possible, and contributes huge amounts of work to all areas of OSS and
Novel is the company who does a similar amount of work, maybe less, but has a lot of buddy-buddy Microsoft ads all over the internet
So basically he already stated how they've contributed a ton of work to F/OSS products. What exactly was your complaint other than the remark about Novel and Microsoft? You just rehashed everything with different wording.
A lot companies have a policy where the won't trust something unless it can be bought from a verifiable source. So yes, the fact that it hasn't been made commercially available has probably hurt it's adoption quite a bit due to such reasons. That and the fact that it's basically a test version even at this point in the game.
Why would they need ISO approval to add their own extensions to their implementation of the standard? Is this some clause in the rules of the ISO that I've missed?
Its not about being "banned from using" -- its about the right tool for the job. And a free OS that does everything she needs is the right tool for the job.
Widnows isn't/terrible/, except maybe from an engineering standpoint. I never made any such pronouncements on the quality of Windows.
Vista may be terrible, but that's not the point. Win2k pro and XP pro are pretty unobtrusive. And they also cost more money for some people than it's worth when a free OS can do everything they need.
Why is it that "the right tool for the job" only seems to apply between linux distros around here. if I were saying 'use a mac,' then I might get modded up for it, too though. Why is it that you care what some random person uses to do what they want?
Look at it this way -- if I need to apply baseboard molding to the wall in my house, I/could/ use a nail gun, but a hammer would do just fine. Yeah, and if all a person wants to do is browse the web and read email, why should they spend a few hundred dollars for an OS that they don't need?
I would whole-heartedly endorse an operating system designed from scratch to serve the needs of plain ol' users. However, trying to take a model of operation and then bend it and break it into something it wasn't meant to be under the guise of "but it/can/ be all things to all people" seems a tad misguided to me, perhaps even lazy. What is being bent and broken in Linux to do basic tasks like read email and browse webpages? You've still yet to explain exactly why anyone should not use Linux other than your snobby attitude that they either have to be a power user or they need to GTFO.
Of course, maybe its just that the implementations so far just seem to fall short. Fall short of what? With Ubuntu most regular users can do all the basic tasks they need. Not everyone uses BSD or Linux to do kernel hacking and code development nor should that be a requirement for usage. Seriously, get over yourself. You're not cool and 1337 cause you use a *nix OS and you can stop trying to force people away because they don't share your snobbiness.
Why is asking why someone should have to pay for an OS just because they want to do simple tasks mean they hate Windows? If nothing, I find it completely asinine his statement that someone should have to pay 200+ dollars for an OS when all they want to do is browse the web and do email. This type of snobbery where you have to become a Linux kernel hacker or you need to GTFO, needs to fucking die already.
If all I wanted to do was basic, every day tasks, Win2k or XP would be more than sufficient. I wouldn't need anything else. Application availability would not be an issue. But what if one wants a free OS to do all those things? Why should they have to have Windows? Why do you get so bothered over someone using your 1337 OS to do only simple tasks?
It wasn't supposed to be "for grandma." Stallman and the FSF, with their evangelistic, holy-war approach to software may have confused the issue. "free software for everyone! information wants to be free!" I don't really care who you've deemed it "for". My grandma uses Ubuntu just fine to do what she needs and saved herself a few hundred dollars over having to buy Windows.
If the reason you want grandma to run unix is because you're sick of having to clean spyware off of her system, frankly it very well may be overkill. It's like using an elephant gun to hunt a squirrel. No, I had it installed on the Dell machine she bought because it saved her money and it can do everything she needs.
However, it seems to me that if people want to come to a *nix system, they should take the time to learn how and why things are the way they are. I can see no benefit from trying to make the system more like windows, because it will just cause confusion and frustration. Why should they have to? I've never understood this attitude where one has to become a power user or one is banned from using .
And the amount of usability versus development time far eclipses Hurd by many magnitudes. KDE4 was especially a clusterfuck, but in comparison to the usability of Hurd after 24 years, they're in totally different ballparks.
Yeah, Aaron did a bang up job with the release of KDE4... oh wait. Considering that major clusterfuck, I almost died laughing reading his rebuttal to Shuttleworth.
Ok for servers -- but as to non-developers, it just sort of goes back to another point - what good is *BSD, GNU/*, etc, really and practically, to those who are not interested in doing UNIX-y things. I could type documents, browse the web, and hang out on AIM just fine in Windows. Because Linux/BSDs/Unix aren't OSes for elitists only? Why should someone be excluded because they aren't a code hacker? And people wonder why the "year of the Linux desktop" never comes when such attitudes are the ones prevailing.
To provide for common defense and general welfare is part of a grant of power "To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts...". This is taken straight out of the constitution where it is proceded by the phrase "The Congress shall have the power". If that's not a clear grant of power, I don't know what is. I think you're just playing a stupid game of semantics.
Because Einstein got everything perfect (cosmological constant)
And light (which may or may not have mass) is bent by gravity (bending space time)
Wouldn't it make more sense to go with an aether theory? Not when it's wrong. I'm sorry if reality is too complicated for you, but that's your problem not ours.
You say light travels at the same speed regardless of direction or relative motion? I say bunk requiring some very sophisticated manipulations of time and space (Lorentz contractions) What's wrong with the 'entrained aether' theory? What, you never heard of frame-dragging? No, light travels at a constant speed in a vacuum. It's speed can be different based on a whole variety of factors.
Gravitational lensing? How about gravity increasing the optical density of the aether? Have any evidence to back this up?
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It was revolutionary... in Japan.
As long as the extensions you've added don't cause you to fail conformance testing your format is still ISO, or whatever governing body maintains the standard, compliant.
A lot companies have a policy where the won't trust something unless it can be bought from a verifiable source. So yes, the fact that it hasn't been made commercially available has probably hurt it's adoption quite a bit due to such reasons. That and the fact that it's basically a test version even at this point in the game.
You mean the same one that's still basically a test version and was never made available commercially? That plugin?
But what if the hooker they hired kept biting your dick? That's not very pleasant...
Throwing chairs might have yielded results faster.
Why would they need ISO approval to add their own extensions to their implementation of the standard? Is this some clause in the rules of the ISO that I've missed?
At least until we get into the extend and extinguish phases.
Fat chicks need lovin' too.
Why is asking why someone should have to pay for an OS just because they want to do simple tasks mean they hate Windows? If nothing, I find it completely asinine his statement that someone should have to pay 200+ dollars for an OS when all they want to do is browse the web and do email. This type of snobbery where you have to become a Linux kernel hacker or you need to GTFO, needs to fucking die already.
And the amount of usability versus development time far eclipses Hurd by many magnitudes. KDE4 was especially a clusterfuck, but in comparison to the usability of Hurd after 24 years, they're in totally different ballparks.
Yeah, Aaron did a bang up job with the release of KDE4... oh wait. Considering that major clusterfuck, I almost died laughing reading his rebuttal to Shuttleworth.
That those pieces of software are actually released and usable.
To provide for common defense and general welfare is part of a grant of power "To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts...". This is taken straight out of the constitution where it is proceded by the phrase "The Congress shall have the power". If that's not a clear grant of power, I don't know what is. I think you're just playing a stupid game of semantics.
It won't be what he's boasting but I'll play it and probably enjoy it. If they can deliver even half of what they claim, then I'll be satisfied.
So that's where all those chairs that Steve Ballmer threw went.