When I click on the "Books" tab, it looks about the same to me. Didn't the "Amazaon Era" end when they added music? Or did it end when Jon noticed that it ended? I think the latter.
the new Amazon sucks profoundly. Why would they change such a great company?
Few companies have ever attracted more interest and publicity and made less money. I think you answered this question, Jon.
It may not be as hip as you want it to be, but the "hipper-than-life" Jeff Bezos has to make a company that makes money one day.
It must be nice to have a major website quote you without any challenge whatsoever. Where's the skepticism? If Intel has missed all of its other targets, why does anyone think Merced by middle 200 will be any different? I'm not knocking what they are trying to do, but they are still along way from a product anyone can use, and there's no guarantee that this will be a success.
This article from Byte goes into some of the problems Intel has from this stage forward. A little low-tech for/. but you're young, you can afford to slum a little.
since Linux doesn't depend on sales to stay afloat, vapourware and fudslinging won't work
Don't be so quick to assume this is true. Linux doesn't depend on sales, but it can't grow unless more companies support it, port software, and more users use it. FUD can work. MS can't just hope that Linux will lose money and go out of business.
why although was it not made clear the pressures that M$ is under.
I think he did make it clear what pressures they are under. Linux is not yet a legitimate threat to their desktop market. Linux, and Unix in general, is and has been for some time, a threat to the server market. Win2K is meant to be a converging point for Microsoft's desktop (Win98) and server (WinNT) offerings.
There is no way that an average Win98 user will consider Linux. The advantages just aren't there.
Win2K may offer more of a threat to Linux than NT does, but don't forget, this article compares the Linux of today with the Win2K of next year. Linux may be wildly transformed in a lot of areas by then.
Tangent: this is where the incremental nature of Linux can hurt it's ability to get mind share. Win2K will be announced with a lot of fanfare and hooplah. All the changes of 2+ years will be ejaculated into the community at once, where all the Linux changes will be released slowly. It's a tortoise and the hare situation
windows is becomeing the expensive part of a sub $500 machine Games. People who own $500 computers like to play games. Almost everybody likes to play games. Linux has less games than the MacOS. Not a valid desktop competitor. Cost is not as much an issue as you think, and MS has a lot of room to lower their prices.
win2000 interface has serious drawbacks If you are talking about the GUI, I think Gnome and KDE have a long way to go. For real user interface, check out MacOS or BeOS.
the vunerbility because people discovering the bugs dont tell or fix them This is a double edged sword. Rephrase: Who do you want to fix bugs in your OS? Some unknown USENET poster, or one of the 4000 fine professional programmers at Microsoft.
This is a real advantage that Linux has over WinANYTHING, but it will be difficult to convince most people that this is the case. MS is a trusted company. Sounds ridiculous on/. but it's true. Brand names are held in high esteem by Americans.
an IBM executive recently made a testimony against Microsoft regarding OS/2 and Windows, in court.
Who hasn't testified against Microsoft recently?
If IBM has set out to kill Microsoft does that mean Lotus will begin to give a rat's ass about any platform other than Windows? Does that mean IBM will begin to support to PowerPC processor?
IBM has a lot of vested interest in Microsoft's continued success. The affair isn't over; IBM is just looking for a less demanding companion.
I like the Transmeta spin. QNX was cool, but Linux is cooler. X86 is cool, but mythical Transmeta products are cooler. Maybe it will run the Linux kernel on top of the magic chip from the Linus company.
Did this sound a little contrived to anyone else?
Does NG Amiga stand for "next generation" or "newsgroup" or something else?
I think newsgroup Amiga is the most fitting. As in, the only place you'll ever see one is in newsgroup discussions.
alt.vapor.amiga.hardware and alt.vapor.amiga.software
The "writer" of the article hinted that without advances such as these, chip makers would be able to extend Moore's law "only for another 10 to 15 years at most."
Not that I am in any way looking forward to technological stagnation, but wouldn't it be interesting if we did hit a brick wall for a few years. All those surplus design elements (dancing paperclip, configuration wizrds, the gui itself) would suddenly be seen as the drain they actually are.
Software doesn't run fast enough? Upgrade to the latest model. But what if the latest model chip was just as fast as the one you have now?
I know, I know, more RAM, multiple processors, Beowulf clusters, but it would still be interesting to see the effects of a problem like that.
But he doesn't actually LOOSE (sic) money. If your understanding is correct and an artist is paid a $1000 advance and he only receives $4.50 in royalties ( 10% of 3 cd's at $15 each), then he still makes $4.50.
Now if he spent his $1000 on cheap whoresex and now he doesn't have it to pay back, then he may think he lost money, but his net gain is still $4.50.
This is the same as the book publishing industry. An advance is just that: advance payment in anticipation of money that will be earned.
I don't know anything about the record industry...
...but authors of fiction books generally get 6% of paperback cover price and 8% of hardcover sales price.
So roughly $0.30 and $1.60 respectively.
In the record industry I believe there are minimum sales numbers which must be met before the artist begins to see royalties. But how the hell would I know.
The motivation behind the excersising of a right (in this case, the right to protect intellectual propert) does not invalidate that right.
I don't need to prove to anyone that I am using my right to privacy for the "collective good." I don't need to prove that I am using my right to free speech for the "collective good." I may be using my privacy to stockpile plans for the overthrow of the government, and I may be using my right to private free speech to convince others to help me implement that plan. But I still have both of those rights until it is proven that I have committed a crime.
Katz argues that record companies should not have the right to their intellectual property because they charge too much for us to use that property. I think $4 is too much for Katz's last book and he's charging even more for it than that. If I printed up my own copy and started selling it for $1 or giving it away, I'm still committing a crime.
outside of the country of Colombia perhaps the world's largest cartel. They control 85 per cent of recorded music sales in the United States.
Why not say the same thing about the car industry? I think that Chevy is too much, but there aren't enough choices. There are a lot of industries that have five companies or less which make up 85% of the market share. Are all of these industries controlled by cartels? The fact that these companies act in unison to protect their intellectual property does not make that action illegal.
If they act in unison to fix prices, that is illegal.
But even if they fix prices and terrorize small children and fail to understand geek culture and torment nuns with spitballs and run prostitution rings and charge too much for music and charge too much for Brittney Spears posters and won't post those naked pictures of Brittney which we know they have...
It is very fast has a clean look and has all the needed email functions
From this statement alone I know that you're not talking about the Notes Client. They may have written a very nice email client, but that is not anywhere near a full Notes Client.
The original poster said that Lotus had a java implementation of the Notes Client. This is total bunk. Domino developers can achieve many of the same effects in a web page by using the built-in Java classes for Domino. This helps applications that were written for the Notes Client to be more useful to web-only users, but it is not the same as a Notes Client.
It may be better than having a bloated Notes Client, it may be worse, but there is no "magic bullet" Java implementation of the Notes Client which can run on all Unixes.
What does it really do that email, news and an address book can't? Hey! Don't we have all those already?
You'll see a lot of this nonsense anytime Notes or Domino is mentioned. If you don't understand something, don't comment.
What does Linux do that NT can't? Don't we have filesharing, remote acccess, email and web serving from our pals at Microsoft?
Notes / Domino is groupware. There's no groupware available for Linux. Let's make sure we send a clear message to Lotus that we don't want their product. Linux is better with more gaps in software. The fewer companies that port to this platform, the purer the OS will be, and the purer we will be.
As far as I know, there's a Java version of Notes client which will handle any version of Linux/Unix/etc., anyway.
This is total bunk. There has never been a Java version the Notes client, and I have never heard any plans for one either. Personally, I don't think Java could effectively handle bloatware like the Notes client.
Notes / Domino R5 does have Java classes which supplement the Notes formula language and LotusScript, but the only way for a Unix machine to interract with a Domino application is through a web interface.
Lotus has shown little interest in the Notes client on anything but Windows. The Mac version was saved - I don't know how - but the line coming from Lotus is that users should connect via a web interface.
I think a petition for a Linux port of the Notes client would fall on deaf ears...
I won't pretend to have compared specs between the machines, but the newest iMacs cost ~$1200, but the rev. B 233 mHz iMacs are selling at or below $900. My guess is that the cheaper iMac is a lot closer to this "knock-off" which sells for around $800 (IIRC).
This is absurd. Microsoft has a lot of control in certain industries, but how does this impact a "public editorial- style critical review"?
It doesn't. Linux users often are preaching to the converted. Mac users are the same way, with a constant barrage of "Top 10 Reasons Why Macs Still Rule" and other MacWorld nonsense.
Not all Windows users are deluded. Bill Gates has not put the whammy on every person who installs Word or Windows.
But I will concede that there is an imbalance in the Force behind Windows.
"Deleting email that's from your not-too-computer-literate but beloved (or rich) aunt, your boss's boss, or a (potential) big customer may not always be in your best interest."
Absolutely right. It drives me nuts.
User: "Hey, I got this attachment I couldn't open." Me: "Forward it to me. I'll see if I can help." User: "I deleted it." Me: "Uh...I'll get right on that." ...click...
The office where I work is all Mac on the client side. We frequently exchange Word and Excel docs with other companies without difficulty. We do use Office 98 for the Mac, so this helps things, but my computer at home does not have Office and I have no trouble converting, reading, or creating Windows friendly files. (BTW, the Mac version of Office blows chunks just as much as the Windows version, so don't accuse MS of cheating us out of bloatware.)
My users at work double click files they are sent. If they don't open right up, the email is deleted and forgotten. I think most Windows users are the same. It's a matter of convenience, not capability. To own a Windows computer (or even a copy of Office) for the sole purpose of opening the files is a little silly. I don't know what tools are available for Linux, but there are plenty of options for Mac users.
The proposed solution: have the government intervene and force MS to open up their format.
It may take diligence to live in a Microsoft free computing environment, but it is not impossible. I don't think we need Janet Reno to help us open documents.
Every time these debates begin, I warn people that government involvement only grows. There will never be a time when the DOJ does not want to have their hands in the computer pie. Don't scream against the CDA and cheer at the same time for lawsuits that stick it to Bill Gates; they are two sides of the same coin.
It can be tough not to have a government babysitter, ready to make sure your docs open up and your OS is priced fairly, but at least you can stay up past 9:00.
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When I click on the "Books" tab, it looks about the same to me. Didn't the "Amazaon Era" end when they added music? Or did it end when Jon noticed that it ended? I think the latter.
the new Amazon sucks profoundly.
Why would they change such a great company?
Few companies have ever attracted more interest and publicity and made less money.
I think you answered this question, Jon.
It may not be as hip as you want it to be, but the "hipper-than-life" Jeff Bezos has to make a company that makes money one day.
It must be nice to have a major website quote you without any challenge whatsoever. Where's the skepticism? If Intel has missed all of its other targets, why does anyone think Merced by middle 200 will be any different? I'm not knocking what they are trying to do, but they are still along way from a product anyone can use, and there's no guarantee that this will be a success.
/. but you're young, you can afford to slum a little.
This article from Byte goes into some of the problems Intel has from this stage forward. A little low-tech for
since Linux doesn't depend on sales to stay afloat, vapourware and fudslinging won't work
Don't be so quick to assume this is true. Linux doesn't depend on sales, but it can't grow unless more companies support it, port software, and more users use it. FUD can work. MS can't just hope that Linux will lose money and go out of business.
why although was it not made clear the pressures that M$ is under.
/. but it's true. Brand names are held in high esteem by Americans.
I think he did make it clear what pressures they are under. Linux is not yet a legitimate threat to their desktop market. Linux, and Unix in general, is and has been for some time, a threat to the server market. Win2K is meant to be a converging point for Microsoft's desktop (Win98) and server (WinNT) offerings.
There is no way that an average Win98 user will consider Linux. The advantages just aren't there.
Win2K may offer more of a threat to Linux than NT does, but don't forget, this article compares the Linux of today with the Win2K of next year. Linux may be wildly transformed in a lot of areas by then.
Tangent: this is where the incremental nature of Linux can hurt it's ability to get mind share. Win2K will be announced with a lot of fanfare and hooplah. All the changes of 2+ years will be ejaculated into the community at once, where all the Linux changes will be released slowly. It's a tortoise and the hare situation
windows is becomeing the expensive part of a sub $500 machine
Games. People who own $500 computers like to play games. Almost everybody likes to play games. Linux has less games than the MacOS. Not a valid desktop competitor. Cost is not as much an issue as you think, and MS has a lot of room to lower their prices.
win2000 interface has serious drawbacks
If you are talking about the GUI, I think Gnome and KDE have a long way to go. For real user interface, check out MacOS or BeOS.
the vunerbility because people discovering the bugs dont tell or fix them
This is a double edged sword. Rephrase: Who do you want to fix bugs in your OS? Some unknown USENET poster, or one of the 4000 fine professional programmers at Microsoft.
This is a real advantage that Linux has over WinANYTHING, but it will be difficult to convince most people that this is the case. MS is a trusted company. Sounds ridiculous on
RQ: Who's moderating these posts upward?
Give it a couple of years. Heather Graham will be available on a stick.
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an IBM executive recently made a testimony against Microsoft regarding OS/2 and Windows, in court.
Who hasn't testified against Microsoft recently?
If IBM has set out to kill Microsoft does that mean Lotus will begin to give a rat's ass about any platform other than Windows? Does that mean IBM will begin to support to PowerPC processor?
IBM has a lot of vested interest in Microsoft's continued success. The affair isn't over; IBM is just looking for a less demanding companion.
I like the Transmeta spin. QNX was cool, but Linux is cooler. X86 is cool, but mythical Transmeta products are cooler. Maybe it will run the Linux kernel on top of the magic chip from the Linus company.
Did this sound a little contrived to anyone else?
Does NG Amiga stand for "next generation" or "newsgroup" or something else?
I think newsgroup Amiga is the most fitting. As in, the only place you'll ever see one is in newsgroup discussions.
alt.vapor.amiga.hardware and alt.vapor.amiga.software
The "writer" of the article hinted that without advances such as these, chip makers would be able to extend Moore's law "only for another 10 to 15 years at most."
Not that I am in any way looking forward to technological stagnation, but wouldn't it be interesting if we did hit a brick wall for a few years. All those surplus design elements (dancing paperclip, configuration wizrds, the gui itself) would suddenly be seen as the drain they actually are.
Software doesn't run fast enough? Upgrade to the latest model. But what if the latest model chip was just as fast as the one you have now?
I know, I know, more RAM, multiple processors, Beowulf clusters, but it would still be interesting to see the effects of a problem like that.
But he doesn't actually LOOSE (sic) money. If your understanding is correct and an artist is paid a $1000 advance and he only receives $4.50 in royalties ( 10% of 3 cd's at $15 each), then he still makes $4.50.
Now if he spent his $1000 on cheap whoresex and now he doesn't have it to pay back, then he may think he lost money, but his net gain is still $4.50.
This is the same as the book publishing industry. An advance is just that: advance payment in anticipation of money that will be earned.
I don't know anything about the record industry...
...but authors of fiction books generally get 6% of paperback cover price and 8% of hardcover sales price.
So roughly $0.30 and $1.60 respectively.
In the record industry I believe there are minimum sales numbers which must be met before the artist begins to see royalties. But how the hell would I know.
musicians never make the majority of money on CD sales themselves, especially the non-huge musicians.
Even the non-huge musicians make infinitely more money off a CD than they do off a pirated MP3.
You may want to check my math on that. I've been out of college for a few years.
The motivation behind the excersising of a right (in this case, the right to protect intellectual propert) does not invalidate that right.
I don't need to prove to anyone that I am using my right to privacy for the "collective good." I don't need to prove that I am using my right to free speech for the "collective good." I may be using my privacy to stockpile plans for the overthrow of the government, and I may be using my right to private free speech to convince others to help me implement that plan. But I still have both of those rights until it is proven that I have committed a crime.
Katz argues that record companies should not have the right to their intellectual property because they charge too much for us to use that property. I think $4 is too much for Katz's last book and he's charging even more for it than that. If I printed up my own copy and started selling it for $1 or giving it away, I'm still committing a crime.
outside of the country of Colombia perhaps the world's largest cartel. They control 85 per cent of recorded music sales in the United States.
Why not say the same thing about the car industry? I think that Chevy is too much, but there aren't enough choices. There are a lot of industries that have five companies or less which make up 85% of the market share. Are all of these industries controlled by cartels? The fact that these companies act in unison to protect their intellectual property does not make that action illegal.
If they act in unison to fix prices, that is illegal.
But even if they fix prices and terrorize small children and fail to understand geek culture and torment nuns with spitballs and run prostitution rings and charge too much for music and charge too much for Brittney Spears posters and won't post those naked pictures of Brittney which we know they have...
...this doesn't mean you can get a Korn cd free.
Their intellectual property rights remain intact.
It is very fast has a clean look and has all the needed email functions
From this statement alone I know that you're not talking about the Notes Client. They may have written a very nice email client, but that is not anywhere near a full Notes Client.
The original poster said that Lotus had a java implementation of the Notes Client. This is total bunk. Domino developers can achieve many of the same effects in a web page by using the built-in Java classes for Domino. This helps applications that were written for the Notes Client to be more useful to web-only users, but it is not the same as a Notes Client.
It may be better than having a bloated Notes Client, it may be worse, but there is no "magic bullet" Java implementation of the Notes Client which can run on all Unixes.
Didn't the clonemakers overstep the bounds of the licensing agreements?
No. IIRC, this was simply a difference in strategy between Gil Amelio and Steve Jobs.
What does it really do that email, news and an address book can't? Hey! Don't we have all those already?
You'll see a lot of this nonsense anytime Notes or Domino is mentioned. If you don't understand something, don't comment.
What does Linux do that NT can't? Don't we have filesharing, remote acccess, email and web serving from our pals at Microsoft?
Notes / Domino is groupware. There's no groupware available for Linux. Let's make sure we send a clear message to Lotus that we don't want their product. Linux is better with more gaps in software. The fewer companies that port to this platform, the purer the OS will be, and the purer we will be.
POE EOP OPE
BTW, never let them have your essence.
As far as I know, there's a Java version of Notes client which will handle any version of Linux/Unix/etc., anyway.
This is total bunk. There has never been a Java version the Notes client, and I have never heard any plans for one either. Personally, I don't think Java could effectively handle bloatware like the Notes client.
Notes / Domino R5 does have Java classes which supplement the Notes formula language and LotusScript, but the only way for a Unix machine to interract with a Domino application is through a web interface.
Lotus has shown little interest in the Notes client on anything but Windows. The Mac version was saved - I don't know how - but the line coming from Lotus is that users should connect via a web interface.
I think a petition for a Linux port of the Notes client would fall on deaf ears...
...but it wouldn't hurt to try.
This is true. I upgraded the keyboard, and put a Racore expansion module on top so I would have a second floppy. (360k x 2 !)
It looked like two computers humping, but we used it for years.
I won't pretend to have compared specs between the machines, but the newest iMacs cost ~$1200, but the rev. B 233 mHz iMacs are selling at or below $900. My guess is that the cheaper iMac is a lot closer to this "knock-off" which sells for around $800 (IIRC).
"... use 'chicklet' keys (remember the Atari 400)..."
Remember the PCjr? Remember that keyboard?
My first computer, an Atari 400. My second computer, a PCjr.
It made me long for the plush ergonomy of the Atari 400.
I agree, Ishmael.
Rosetta is horrible name. At the very least, the name should be changed to Queequeg.
This is absurd. Microsoft has a lot of control in certain industries, but how does this impact a "public editorial- style critical review"?
It doesn't. Linux users often are preaching to the converted. Mac users are the same way, with a constant barrage of "Top 10 Reasons Why Macs Still Rule" and other MacWorld nonsense.
Not all Windows users are deluded. Bill Gates has not put the whammy on every person who installs Word or Windows.
But I will concede that there is an imbalance in the Force behind Windows.
Don't be so quick to dismiss this technology. It looks real to me.
I'm not going to use it when it's realeased. of course. The aliens which provided this to ACC, also provided Intel with their chip numbering system.
All of your purchases will be logged by aliens, and within hours of using the device, spam from across the universe will flood your inbox.
Still, it's a pretty sweet design.
"Deleting email that's from your not-too-computer-literate but beloved (or rich) aunt, your boss's boss, or a (potential) big customer may not always be in your best interest."
Absolutely right. It drives me nuts.
User: "Hey, I got this attachment I couldn't open."
Me: "Forward it to me. I'll see if I can help."
User: "I deleted it."
Me: "Uh...I'll get right on that."
...click...
The office where I work is all Mac on the client side. We frequently exchange Word and Excel docs with other companies without difficulty. We do use Office 98 for the Mac, so this helps things, but my computer at home does not have Office and I have no trouble converting, reading, or creating Windows friendly files. (BTW, the Mac version of Office blows chunks just as much as the Windows version, so don't accuse MS of cheating us out of bloatware.)
My users at work double click files they are sent. If they don't open right up, the email is deleted and forgotten. I think most Windows users are the same. It's a matter of convenience, not capability. To own a Windows computer (or even a copy of Office) for the sole purpose of opening the files is a little silly. I don't know what tools are available for Linux, but there are plenty of options for Mac users.
The proposed solution: have the government intervene and force MS to open up their format.
It may take diligence to live in a Microsoft free computing environment, but it is not impossible. I don't think we need Janet Reno to help us open documents.
Every time these debates begin, I warn people that government involvement only grows. There will never be a time when the DOJ does not want to have their hands in the computer pie. Don't scream against the CDA and cheer at the same time for lawsuits that stick it to Bill Gates; they are two sides of the same coin.
It can be tough not to have a government babysitter, ready to make sure your docs open up and your OS is priced fairly, but at least you can stay up past 9:00.