Kylix is comprised of a Compiler, a class library (CLX), and an IDE built upon that class library.
So what if CLX is Open Sourced, VCL has always been available in source form. You might still have to shell out $500 (or thereabouts) to buy the Pro version. If so this would be business as Usual.
Fine by me as a shareholder and a Developer that will happily shell out $3K for the all singing all dancing version.
If they OS the IDE, then even better we get the chance to see many languages hosted into the Delphi IDE.
IMO, I don't think they will OpenSource the Compiler. But I would be standing in that long line to see that source code, I mean have you seen that thing chew through code, it runs like a scalded cat!
As for people who say they wouldn't buy it unless it was free... hmmmm !!!!
Be was famously able to port their OS to the GeoDE in 3 days to enable NatSemi to present their hardware actually running at Comdex.
NatSemi had been working on their Linux version for 7 months but it didn't make it in time. They may have gotten their Linux version completed, but I suspect the speed to port BeOS and produce a plausible IA interface might have killed Linux's chances.
Normally if our company has a spot on a finance program one of us (usually me) records it (thanks to TiVo) and encodes and burns it to CD (Thanks to a BeBox).
Today we were notified My Boss would be on CNBC at the last minute, and I had to race home to tell TiVo to record it.
But you're right that happens so rarely.
BTW: My Tivo here in NYC seems to have developed a taste for Australia, any show with an Aussie in it or about Australia gets recorded.
I wish I had not chosen "the Crocodile Hunter Week" to go away on vacation, it missed taping the first Bledisloe Match because it _had_ to get the 13th consequetive airing of that goose! The crocodile hunter now shares the distinction with Alby Mangels of being the only show to earn a "3 thumbs down".
Who have a claim on Tabs filed 12 months earlier than Adobe.
Here's another interesting Patent Borland owns, I wonder if Microsoft is paying their IP fees on tooltips.
You could add a Z axis if the camera resolution was up to it by adding an alternately dark/Light thin band around the device. Measuring the width of one of those segments would give you distance of that band, and thats a refference point for everything else. Because the sabre is round rotation would not distort it. In fact I reckon a light sabre is likely to be the best possible input device for a camera (much better than a hand/arm).
How about LINL.ORG, then you'd have a recusive, self contradictory acronym.
It's not necessarily as good as it sounds
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As an expat Aussie living in NYC I can tell you that the bandwidth is nice when it works, but the local Telco here (Bell Atlantic) are at least 2 orders of magnitude worse than Telecom was as a monopoly at customer service.
They have Lied out right to me 3 times (that I caught)
Have inept network techs, but they are level three techs
To get to a level 3 tech you need to be put on hold for around 3 hours by a level 2 tech.
Level 2 techs probably have DSL at home, but if you mention Linux, BeOS, Windows 2000, SMP, Home Networks, any setup where there are more cards in your box than a video card and NIC, or any TLA that confuses them you will be put on the not supported treadmill.
To get to a level 2 tech you need to be put on hold for 4-6 hours (seriously EVERY TIME) by a level 1 tech.
Level 1 techs may understand english.
In the past week I have had to manually resynch my modem 5-6 times a day.
They schedule maintenance where they take down and entire suburbs residential connections, and then bring them back for 1 minute of every 3 for an entire weekend, without ANY publically accessible pre-warning.
Have no newsgroup
Have mail and news servers that are thoroughly overloaded.
And to top it all off, sometimes the bandwidth is slower than a 56k connection, AND I'm paying for the second tier of service.
It is almost as if they are trying their level best to beat the previous bench mark for the worst customer service ever.
Actually now I live in New York, I don't pay AUD Taxes, but Triple J is still my background programming noise. Listen to it now Non commercial, full of quality programming, sounds like an OS we all know.
Good point. BTW: The sign is already sold, good riddance I say.
VCL is already open source and has been since Delphi 1 with the exception of the source code for Tab Controls (necessary for patent protection), the Decision Grid (Licensed therefore not theirs to Open) and the component and property experts (also for patent defence). Open Source does not mean free. You still have to buy the product, but you get all the source.
Borland releasing a free version of the compiler does NOT mean that the compiler is Open Source. What it means numbskulls is that if you as a customer buy an open source product that is built using C Builder, and want to compile it, you do not need to buy the compiler. IF you want to make substantial changes then no doubt you will WANT to get all the source to the VCL which is after all 90% of a builder app and you will be glad to supports Borlands efforts by buying it. Borland's language products have ALWAYS had a strong following because they ship the source to most of their libraries (instead of enmiring you in evil activex, et al), heck TP3 shipped the source code for a spreadsheet as sample code. Borland was open source long before it was fashionable. Expect the compiler for Pascal to be released in the very near future (it is the same backend), and the Linux compilers (Kylix) to follow. The advantage for Open Source developers is that you can now release your shource freely knowing that there will allways be a refference compiler that is fully ANSI compliant, works equally with Windows and Linux (We've all got our fingers crossed that this will be true) and is fast. And if nobody buys Borlands products they dissapear.
>2. There's a lightproof room with three lightbulbs inside, and three lightswitches on the outside, and one door. Set the switches however you want, and then open the door. Once you open the door to the room, you can't touch the lightswitches. But you can touch the light bulbs. turn on A & B, wait 1 minute, then turn off B. Enter the room, A is on, C is off and cold, B is off and warm.
>This merger might make sense if essential stuff like a C compiler were missing, but it isn't. And it's hard to justify buying an entire corporation by the potential of one tool even if it's a very useful one. Interbase - RDBMS VisiBroker - ORB MIDAS - Middleware JBuilder - Java AppServer - err AppServer One property acquired, is Borlands Patent Suite. Corel now owns the patents for 2-way-tools and a bunch of Windows widgets such as Fly-over hints and Tabbed dialogs.
So what do they do, flip around and blame anyone using a home network. Good move @Home is about to piss off all their biggest users, unilaterally pulling the plug from anyone running a home network. Here's a better idea, try and relay NNTP and SMTP test messages through every IP in your network every day, and cut off all the Win98 Internet connection sharing systems... err ones that relay.
is that now Microsoft can license grafitti or buy the patent from Xerox, and put it in WinCE stealing yet another good idea and clubing the original thinker around the head with it. IMO Palm would never have licensed Grafitti to Microsoft, the whole OS maybe but not grafitti.
What it needs is a tracker for the device and good drivers that convert that 800x600 into a 96000x96000 display like one big goldfish bowl around you. Now THAT would knock Quake Arena up a notch or two!
When walking past the MSDN booth at tech Ed in Dallas where members of the collective were handing them out, one developer upon recieving a few was heard to exclaim;
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Is to find a bigger bully. Sell the IP to the companies largest competitor and let them go after them.
So what if CLX is Open Sourced, VCL has always been available in source form. You might still have to shell out $500 (or thereabouts) to buy the Pro version. If so this would be business as Usual.
Fine by me as a shareholder and a Developer that will happily shell out $3K for the all singing all dancing version.
If they OS the IDE, then even better we get the chance to see many languages hosted into the Delphi IDE.
IMO, I don't think they will OpenSource the Compiler. But I would be standing in that long line to see that source code, I mean have you seen that thing chew through code, it runs like a scalded cat!
As for people who say they wouldn't buy it unless it was free ... hmmmm !!!!
NatSemi had been working on their Linux version for 7 months but it didn't make it in time. They may have gotten their Linux version completed, but I suspect the speed to port BeOS and produce a plausible IA interface might have killed Linux's chances.
Today we were notified My Boss would be on CNBC at the last minute, and I had to race home to tell TiVo to record it.
But you're right that happens so rarely.
BTW: My Tivo here in NYC seems to have developed a taste for Australia, any show with an Aussie in it or about Australia gets recorded.
I wish I had not chosen "the Crocodile Hunter Week" to go away on vacation, it missed taping the first Bledisloe Match because it _had_ to get the 13th consequetive airing of that goose! The crocodile hunter now shares the distinction with Alby Mangels of being the only show to earn a "3 thumbs down".
Borland filed a patent for Tabs a year before Adobe.
Who have a claim on Tabs filed 12 months earlier than Adobe. Here's another interesting Patent Borland owns, I wonder if Microsoft is paying their IP fees on tooltips.
You could get the twisting of the Sabre too if you had 4 different barcode like markers embedded in the dark segments of the bar.
You could add a Z axis if the camera resolution was up to it by adding an alternately dark/Light thin band around the device. Measuring the width of one of those segments would give you distance of that band, and thats a refference point for everything else. Because the sabre is round rotation would not distort it. In fact I reckon a light sabre is likely to be the best possible input device for a camera (much better than a hand/arm).
How about LINL.ORG, then you'd have a recusive, self contradictory acronym.
They have Lied out right to me 3 times (that I caught)
Have inept network techs, but they are level three techs
To get to a level 3 tech you need to be put on hold for around 3 hours by a level 2 tech.
Level 2 techs probably have DSL at home, but if you mention Linux, BeOS, Windows 2000, SMP, Home Networks, any setup where there are more cards in your box than a video card and NIC, or any TLA that confuses them you will be put on the not supported treadmill.
To get to a level 2 tech you need to be put on hold for 4-6 hours (seriously EVERY TIME) by a level 1 tech.
Level 1 techs may understand english.
In the past week I have had to manually resynch my modem 5-6 times a day.
They schedule maintenance where they take down and entire suburbs residential connections, and then bring them back for 1 minute of every 3 for an entire weekend, without ANY publically accessible pre-warning.
Have no newsgroup
Have mail and news servers that are thoroughly overloaded.
And to top it all off, sometimes the bandwidth is slower than a 56k connection, AND I'm paying for the second tier of service.
It is almost as if they are trying their level best to beat the previous bench mark for the worst customer service ever.
>Supposedly, the demo compiled 45K lnes of X-VCL
>in 2 seconds.
On my Windoze box Delphi compiles and links at around 300Kloc/s, I certainly hope that demo compiler was the pre-tuned version.
Mind you it probably still impresses C++ developers.
Actually now I live in New York, I don't pay AUD Taxes, but Triple J is still my background programming noise. Listen to it now Non commercial, full of quality programming, sounds like an OS we all know.
other than ABC
how about
ACB, BCA, BAC, CAB and CBA. Sorry being faecetious. I'm curious what are the other 2 ways.
Well said Michael, now if I can make a suggestion put all the C++ and Pascal compiler/linkers back to 1983 on the Web Site.
VCL is already open source and has been since Delphi 1 with the exception of the source code for Tab Controls (necessary for patent protection), the Decision Grid (Licensed therefore not theirs to Open) and the component and property experts (also for patent defence). Open Source does not mean free. You still have to buy the product, but you get all the source.
Borland releasing a free version of the compiler does NOT mean that the compiler is Open Source. What it means numbskulls is that if you as a customer buy an open source product that is built using C Builder, and want to compile it, you do not need to buy the compiler. IF you want to make substantial changes then no doubt you will WANT to get all the source to the VCL which is after all 90% of a builder app and you will be glad to supports Borlands efforts by buying it. Borland's language products have ALWAYS had a strong following because they ship the source to most of their libraries (instead of enmiring you in evil activex, et al), heck TP3 shipped the source code for a spreadsheet as sample code. Borland was open source long before it was fashionable. Expect the compiler for Pascal to be released in the very near future (it is the same backend), and the Linux compilers (Kylix) to follow. The advantage for Open Source developers is that you can now release your shource freely knowing that there will allways be a refference compiler that is fully ANSI compliant, works equally with Windows and Linux (We've all got our fingers crossed that this will be true) and is fast. And if nobody buys Borlands products they dissapear.
>2. There's a lightproof room with three lightbulbs inside, and three lightswitches on the outside, and one door. Set the switches however you want, and then open the door. Once you open the door to the room, you can't touch the lightswitches. But you can touch the light bulbs. turn on A & B, wait 1 minute, then turn off B. Enter the room, A is on, C is off and cold, B is off and warm.
>This merger might make sense if essential stuff like a C compiler were missing, but it isn't. And it's hard to justify buying an entire corporation by the potential of one tool even if it's a very useful one. Interbase - RDBMS VisiBroker - ORB MIDAS - Middleware JBuilder - Java AppServer - err AppServer One property acquired, is Borlands Patent Suite. Corel now owns the patents for 2-way-tools and a bunch of Windows widgets such as Fly-over hints and Tabbed dialogs.
So what do they do, flip around and blame anyone using a home network. Good move @Home is about to piss off all their biggest users, unilaterally pulling the plug from anyone running a home network. Here's a better idea, try and relay NNTP and SMTP test messages through every IP in your network every day, and cut off all the Win98 Internet connection sharing systems ... err ones that relay.
is that now Microsoft can license grafitti or buy the patent from Xerox, and put it in WinCE stealing yet another good idea and clubing the original thinker around the head with it. IMO Palm would never have licensed Grafitti to Microsoft, the whole OS maybe but not grafitti.
What it needs is a tracker for the device and good drivers that convert that 800x600 into a 96000x96000 display like one big goldfish bowl around you. Now THAT would knock Quake Arena up a notch or two!
'Oh great MS butt Plugs'.
Action figure - $0.25
Entrance to Tech Ed - $1000
Expression on MS Staffers face - Priceless
And the rumour be carried around the world (thanks /.) and someone at Redmond will be tasked with the job.