You must be a marketer for Apple...you certainly talk like one.
OK, you played with a few other mp3 players. What about the higher rated music players? The ones listed here: (http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/12/top-5-mp3-players-of-2008.php) have received good reviews.
Sure doesn't explain the iTunes lock-in when it's far, far, far easier to just drag-and-drop. I'm quite amused that you said people don't give a flying fuck about a particular PC software player when I hear iTunes can be quite the bitch to use.
Removable SD cards? People actually do care about the amount of stuff they can put on their mp3 player, believe it or not!
And while voice recording is more a bonus, FM tuners are a big plus to people who might want to listen to radio on the go. If ipods had FM tuners and the competition didn't I would bet you'd be trotting that out as a reason Ipods are superior.
Believe it or not, you really can have extra features and not miss out on usability. Hell, what's all this talk about Macs being so easy to use *and* having all sorts of great features doing "everything I want and more" with other Apple fanboys contradicting that when it's convenient?
My Fuze, for example, is incredibly easy to use despite having more features... and a much lower price.
Haha, I'd rather just drag-and-drop then be forced to "integrate" with iTunes, like real music players tend to do.
My MP3 player is really easy to use, does what I want, has a better sound quality than Ipods (superior sound chip) and has more features and a lower price that can sync with my PC.
I can get a lot of easy-to-use (free) software on the internet for all my needs and not pay the Apple price.
I'd rather have my music player "integrated" with my PC with drag and drop functionality and not the iTunes lock-in (which is because Apple wants more money selling music files, naturally).
I almost never hear of people having trouble with Skype or AIM.
Additionally, other MP3 players can also sync.
Again, maybe OS X is nice but in general Apple products are simply overpriced and often do less than alternatives.
Whoa, I drew the Apple fanboys out of the wood work!
"Great products are more than just a list of features"? I guess it's the just inherent Apple-ness of the Ipod that makes it better, right? Those white earphones sound so much better because they're from Apple, right?
And quality? The Fuze and D2 have, according to many mp3 reviewers, higher sound quality! I don't know about the Creative Zen.
Simply amazing. One Apple fan praises Apple because it "does what he wants and more", the next comes in to someone countering that with examples of products that do more at a lower price with "well, less features is good!
No, fewer features does not decrease usability, necessarily, and the point is moot because most people with Ipods don't seem to have even considered or looked at the competition to even determine if it has greater usability or not. If usability was such a big deal then people wouldn't buy a product locked-in to iTunes. Seriously, there's no excuse for that; many if not most other music players have simple drag-and-drop functionality.
Let me compare the mp3 players to give you an example of what they have that Ipods do not. Many mp3 players, such as the Zen, Fuze, and Cowon D2 have SDHC/micoSDHC expandability. I guess having an expandability makes it harder to use?
Having FM Tuners makes them more difficult to use?
Simple voice recorders?
In some, ogg and flac support...?!
Having some other features does not make them more difficult to use. Just read the reviews, many of these mp3 players are easy to use. I own a Fuze and it's not at all difficult. Of course, you haven't even read the reviews, have you? I'm betting you're talking out of your ass.
The fact that you even need to bring up "winning form factor and styling" as being superior over features says a lot. I really do think that's "styling" is what gets you, that Apple-logo on the product. Other music players have similar styles or are just as easy to use.
Haha, I say this all the time, but if people went on features and price (what they probably would truly want if they paid attention) they would NOT be chosing ipods.
Apple "fanboys" are so silly because so much of Apple is marketing, marketing, and more marketing and not some super magical quality of the products. Maybe OS X is nice (I don't use it, so I can't comment) but the other products themselves are very overpriced and lack features and aren't much easier to use than competing products. Again, compare Ipods to many other MP3 players on the market. Ipods are more "hip" and "cool" to college-aged chumps which is why they sell; people who look and buy on features etc do not generally choose ipods.
To me, Apple products do everything I need and more
Many other products do the exact same but cost a lower price, and often with more features and at a higher quality. That's why I'm not a fan of the company.
Take Ipods for instance. Why buy a nano when you can buy a Sansa Fuze, Creative Zen, or Cowon D2?
Nintendo Seal of Quality? It was just a badge that cost money. It never meant anything and given some of the crap games on the SNES I'm not sure how you can even say that.
Note, I do think the SNES era was the golden age of gaming, but meh. I think the for the crapification of video games is how mainstream they've become, the fact that quality 2D games aren't made as much anymore (it's gotta be 3D!!!), and of course the paradigm set out by Donkey Kong Country 64.
I believe that the media is also run that way, which explains why one's national media outlets tend to be overly patriotic and a bit uncritical of politicians. It's why the debates are softballs and why the only time tough questions are asked is when it's the more fringe candidates running.
When they need you to make content, they're nice because they know that if you're hard on them they'll never come back.
Instead it came off as women couldn't or shouldn't do science.
That is always what these kinds of discussions are twisted into, particularly by extremely-far-left "equality mongers" (for lack of a better term I will invent my own!) where any statement of inequality in some way between men and women, whether it be obvious like men are usually stronger than women, or there may be a biological basis for men and women solving problems that leads them to different career paths, or whatever, is twisted into meaning that women aren't smart enough or equal enough so on and so forth.
I had the "pleasure" of arguing with a ENRAGED INTERNET FEMALE on the subject. To her, it didn't matter whether what he said was accurate or not, the very idea was insensitive and "you just don't say that." Summers was crucified on a cross of political correctness.
Instead of attacking those things, everyone got convinced that if we got rid of a few sexist leaders, everything would be fine. The attacks on Summers initially came from the faculty outside of science, who have not seen first hand what the grad student/postdoc/assistant professor meat-grinder is really like.
That's because, to the "equality mongers", every time there's gender inequality there's a sinister white man behind all of it perpetuating the patriarchy. There are supposed to be no differences between men and women ("womyn"), just like there are supposed to be no differences between races, etc. To suggest otherwise is heresy, it is "sexism", and must be abolished and the blasphemer burned at the stake for such horrible words. All gender inequality is institutional and if only the world were made to be a more perfect place equality would naturally flow.
I took it to fulfill part of my diversity requirement and to see if it was as crazy as I suspected it would be. I was unfortunately right.
I didn't say anything in the class. No way in hell am I going to argue with an instructor when I don't have the upper hand--partly because the instructor can argue a better case. Not because they are right, but because anything they'd say I wouldn't be able to immediately respond to and would have to look it up to check on how accurate that is later on, and secondly because I didn't want a poor grade.
On a random message board someone who claimed to have also gone to my university says they took a black studies course and all the white kids in it were failed; they went to the dean, it was determined they should have gotten As and the professor was dismissed. I do not know exactly what happened, however, and the person when telling me this at the time did not even know I was attending that same university...!
Was your son taking a women's studies class, or something? People here might be more believing if they knew about some of the garbage they taught in some of those humanities classes...
Also, even more off-topic, but don't you just have to laugh at how many silly diversity requirement classes they make you take? That in and of itself is pushing a political agenda; it may not be a bad thing, but dammit I'm going to a university for my psych degree not holding hands and singing songs.
And the fact that you label me as "foe" in the slashdot thing makes me think you're rather irked by what I have to say, so yes, I do think your ideology is at play here.
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We need a Leisure Suit Larry MMO.
You're right, apparently the majority of people care more about the Apple logo. Thanks for correcting me.
You must be a marketer for Apple...you certainly talk like one.
OK, you played with a few other mp3 players. What about the higher rated music players? The ones listed here: (http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/12/top-5-mp3-players-of-2008.php) have received good reviews.
You must not have shopped around, many other players are as easy to use. Just because you used players "harder to use" doesn't mean they all are.
Your drag-and-drop explanation makes no sense. Many other music players have drag-and-drop functionality.
And... meta data...?! Now THAT "feature" is truly silly. Last play date?!
Why no drag-and-drop functionality?
"Choose differently".
I believe you meant, "Think Different".
Sure doesn't explain the iTunes lock-in when it's far, far, far easier to just drag-and-drop. I'm quite amused that you said people don't give a flying fuck about a particular PC software player when I hear iTunes can be quite the bitch to use.
Removable SD cards? People actually do care about the amount of stuff they can put on their mp3 player, believe it or not!
And while voice recording is more a bonus, FM tuners are a big plus to people who might want to listen to radio on the go. If ipods had FM tuners and the competition didn't I would bet you'd be trotting that out as a reason Ipods are superior.
Believe it or not, you really can have extra features and not miss out on usability. Hell, what's all this talk about Macs being so easy to use *and* having all sorts of great features doing "everything I want and more" with other Apple fanboys contradicting that when it's convenient?
My Fuze, for example, is incredibly easy to use despite having more features... and a much lower price.
Haha, I'd rather just drag-and-drop then be forced to "integrate" with iTunes, like real music players tend to do.
My MP3 player is really easy to use, does what I want, has a better sound quality than Ipods (superior sound chip) and has more features and a lower price that can sync with my PC.
I can get a lot of easy-to-use (free) software on the internet for all my needs and not pay the Apple price.
They've been doing the same to me. They're like religious fanatics.
Ah, but they're not harder to use and confusing! And again, most Ipod buyers don't even look at or for alternatives!
If you really think SDHC expandability or an FM tuner makes a music player harder to use you're deluding yourself.
I'd rather have my music player "integrated" with my PC with drag and drop functionality and not the iTunes lock-in (which is because Apple wants more money selling music files, naturally).
I almost never hear of people having trouble with Skype or AIM.
Additionally, other MP3 players can also sync.
Again, maybe OS X is nice but in general Apple products are simply overpriced and often do less than alternatives.
Whoa, I drew the Apple fanboys out of the wood work!
"Great products are more than just a list of features"? I guess it's the just inherent Apple-ness of the Ipod that makes it better, right? Those white earphones sound so much better because they're from Apple, right?
And quality? The Fuze and D2 have, according to many mp3 reviewers, higher sound quality! I don't know about the Creative Zen.
I have ways of drawing the truth out of Apple fanboys.
Simply amazing. One Apple fan praises Apple because it "does what he wants and more", the next comes in to someone countering that with examples of products that do more at a lower price with "well, less features is good!
No, fewer features does not decrease usability, necessarily, and the point is moot because most people with Ipods don't seem to have even considered or looked at the competition to even determine if it has greater usability or not. If usability was such a big deal then people wouldn't buy a product locked-in to iTunes. Seriously, there's no excuse for that; many if not most other music players have simple drag-and-drop functionality.
Let me compare the mp3 players to give you an example of what they have that Ipods do not. Many mp3 players, such as the Zen, Fuze, and Cowon D2 have SDHC/micoSDHC expandability. I guess having an expandability makes it harder to use?
Having FM Tuners makes them more difficult to use?
Simple voice recorders?
In some, ogg and flac support...?!
Having some other features does not make them more difficult to use. Just read the reviews, many of these mp3 players are easy to use. I own a Fuze and it's not at all difficult. Of course, you haven't even read the reviews, have you? I'm betting you're talking out of your ass.
The fact that you even need to bring up "winning form factor and styling" as being superior over features says a lot. I really do think that's "styling" is what gets you, that Apple-logo on the product. Other music players have similar styles or are just as easy to use.
Haha, I say this all the time, but if people went on features and price (what they probably would truly want if they paid attention) they would NOT be chosing ipods.
Apple "fanboys" are so silly because so much of Apple is marketing, marketing, and more marketing and not some super magical quality of the products. Maybe OS X is nice (I don't use it, so I can't comment) but the other products themselves are very overpriced and lack features and aren't much easier to use than competing products. Again, compare Ipods to many other MP3 players on the market. Ipods are more "hip" and "cool" to college-aged chumps which is why they sell; people who look and buy on features etc do not generally choose ipods.
I heard he kisses every Ipod before it's placed in the packaging.
To me, Apple products do everything I need and more
Many other products do the exact same but cost a lower price, and often with more features and at a higher quality. That's why I'm not a fan of the company.
Take Ipods for instance. Why buy a nano when you can buy a Sansa Fuze, Creative Zen, or Cowon D2?
Nintendo Seal of Quality? It was just a badge that cost money. It never meant anything and given some of the crap games on the SNES I'm not sure how you can even say that.
Note, I do think the SNES era was the golden age of gaming, but meh. I think the for the crapification of video games is how mainstream they've become, the fact that quality 2D games aren't made as much anymore (it's gotta be 3D!!!), and of course the paradigm set out by Donkey Kong Country 64.
I believe that the media is also run that way, which explains why one's national media outlets tend to be overly patriotic and a bit uncritical of politicians. It's why the debates are softballs and why the only time tough questions are asked is when it's the more fringe candidates running.
When they need you to make content, they're nice because they know that if you're hard on them they'll never come back.
Instead it came off as women couldn't or shouldn't do science.
That is always what these kinds of discussions are twisted into, particularly by extremely-far-left "equality mongers" (for lack of a better term I will invent my own!) where any statement of inequality in some way between men and women, whether it be obvious like men are usually stronger than women, or there may be a biological basis for men and women solving problems that leads them to different career paths, or whatever, is twisted into meaning that women aren't smart enough or equal enough so on and so forth.
I had the "pleasure" of arguing with a ENRAGED INTERNET FEMALE on the subject. To her, it didn't matter whether what he said was accurate or not, the very idea was insensitive and "you just don't say that." Summers was crucified on a cross of political correctness.
Instead of attacking those things, everyone got convinced that if we got rid of a few sexist leaders, everything would be fine. The attacks on Summers initially came from the faculty outside of science, who have not seen first hand what the grad student/postdoc/assistant professor meat-grinder is really like.
That's because, to the "equality mongers", every time there's gender inequality there's a sinister white man behind all of it perpetuating the patriarchy. There are supposed to be no differences between men and women ("womyn"), just like there are supposed to be no differences between races, etc. To suggest otherwise is heresy, it is "sexism", and must be abolished and the blasphemer burned at the stake for such horrible words. All gender inequality is institutional and if only the world were made to be a more perfect place equality would naturally flow.
I took it to fulfill part of my diversity requirement and to see if it was as crazy as I suspected it would be. I was unfortunately right.
I didn't say anything in the class. No way in hell am I going to argue with an instructor when I don't have the upper hand--partly because the instructor can argue a better case. Not because they are right, but because anything they'd say I wouldn't be able to immediately respond to and would have to look it up to check on how accurate that is later on, and secondly because I didn't want a poor grade.
On a random message board someone who claimed to have also gone to my university says they took a black studies course and all the white kids in it were failed; they went to the dean, it was determined they should have gotten As and the professor was dismissed. I do not know exactly what happened, however, and the person when telling me this at the time did not even know I was attending that same university...!
That is the correct book.
It has some hilariously bad editing, too.
Was your son taking a women's studies class, or something? People here might be more believing if they knew about some of the garbage they taught in some of those humanities classes...
Also, even more off-topic, but don't you just have to laugh at how many silly diversity requirement classes they make you take? That in and of itself is pushing a political agenda; it may not be a bad thing, but dammit I'm going to a university for my psych degree not holding hands and singing songs.
And the fact that you label me as "foe" in the slashdot thing makes me think you're rather irked by what I have to say, so yes, I do think your ideology is at play here.