2nd - be proactive. Pass a law that requires that each ISP check the packets on their network and do NOT forward any packets that do not match the addresses they control. There, spoofing is pretty much dead.
3rd - whitelists, not blacklists. Know who you absolutely must have an Internet connection to and why. If someone is flooding your network, block everyone else. (yeah, this won't work for Amazon or eBay)
4th - it's the GOVERNMENT. Use your purchasing power to demand real improvements in security.
Funny, sodomy is the only form of "torture" that Marines do to each other on weekends for fun. Not even remotely kidding. I was in the Marines, and I have friends who sodomized each other for fun.
You know, while that may be true, it does not really support your implied statement.
I don't care if your friends do it to each other for fun. If you don't have a problem with it being done to unwilling participants then there is something wrong with you.
The questions and answers are already written. The people tasked with "asking" those "questions" already have their Facebook accounts created. Leave NOTHING to chance.
Still might not work. Just sprinkle explosives/gunpowder/whatever on the sidewalks and parking lots around the airport. As people track it in, there'd be so many false positives, the dogs would alert on everyone.
To accomplish what? As a practical joke? To shut down the airport? To try to get a real bomb through?
The rational for the action would indicate the response to the action.
I remember back when we had real trolls. Not these thin-blooded wanna-bes.
Wait... so the TSA caught the shoe bomber, therefore the TSA can't catch any terrorists?
So you cannot parse basic English or you are completely ignorant of recent history or you're trolling.
And you even got some mod points. Interesting.
No. You said that the method used by the TSA worked. I said that it did not because it didn't catch any of the terrorists since the WTC attack.
You said something about fences and coyotes. I pointed out that the "coyotes" were still there and had not been stopped.
Now you're talking about whether the shoe bomber had been caught by the TSA. He had not. He was stopped by other people on the plane.
All that and you even started off this thread with "racist".
Feel free to wander around the subject, but the fact is that the TSA has never caught a single terrorist. Never. But the shoe bomber got through the TSA's checks. Therefore, the methods the TSA used did not stop a terrorist from getting a bomb onto a plane. You have a problem with that. Whatever.
The TSA has a fence too, and no Coyotes. Can we rule out the fence as preventing the Coyotes?
Seems that the TSA does have "coyotes" so yes, we can rule out the fence as preventing them.
Particularly since, as I've stated before, the TSA is not catching ANY terrorists. Not a single one.
Now, you seem to be arguing that this is because the TSA is so effective that the terrorists just don't try any more.
But that is contradicted by the facts. The shoe bomber.
So your "logic" is that the terrorists don't even try except for the ones who do try and who elude the TSA and get onto the planes but that's only because the TSA stopped them which it did not.
Instead of going through a scanner, walk through the metal detector and a fan blows over you and into a kennel of trained dogs.
Since the fan is blowing your stink to the dogs, you don't have a problem with allergies.
Then you just need to keep rotating the dogs so that someone cannot come through with something that will damage their noses to cover for the next guy in line bringing through a bomb.
In fact, they should randomize the check points so that the terrorists will never know who will be going through which checkpoint in what order.
It's virtually impossible to conceal explosives inside something without getting at least traces of dust on the outside, and so far that theory has actually managed to catch the few people who have been caught.
Who's been caught by the TSA?
Not a single terrorist has EVER been caught by the TSA while trying to board a plane.
And if they thought your can of Coke was really a threat, then why don't they treat you like a threat when they find it? Instead they just demand that you throw the POTENTIAL LIQUID EXPLOSIVE into a garbage can next to them.
The only way to do security of this type effectively IS the way other countries (like Israel) do it - and that is with profiling, of course the bleeding hearts here in the U.S will never stand for it, so we end up screening little kids, 80 year old invalids, and other unlikely candidates, because we are afraid of offending someone.
The day you exclude 80 year old invalids from the same scans as everyone else is the day that the terrorists start recruiting 80 year old invalids.
It might not be 100 % but I'll bet it beats random checks any day of the week....
You'd lose that bet. Random checks (really random) mean that the terrorists will never know who will be checked. So there is no way for them to "game" the system.
And "gaming" the system is exactly how we ended up with the shoe bomber and captain underpants.
Seriously, is everyone who works for "Homeland Security" an idiot? Is there some maximum IQ you can have before you're unqualified?
Attacking a bus is completely different than attacking a plane. Even if these measure were useful in defending a plane (which they are not) they wouldn't apply to a bus because any terrorist WOULD NOT GO THROUGH THEM and would, instead, drive next to the bus and blow up his car.
MAYBE they'd be useful in a subway. As long as the train never left the tunnels and all the access routes were sealed shut.
Which still leave the malls and the after Thanksgiving crowds there.
And that doesn't even cover things like a couple of snipers just shooting people in DC.
The TSA has not yet caught a single terrorist attempting to get on a plane.
The TSA is NOT the "last line of defense". The last line of defense will be the other passengers on the flight.
If the TSA really thought that your bottle of water was a bomb then why don't they treat you like a person who just attempted to smuggle a bomb onto the plane?
He's propping up his job with whatever rhetoric he can dig up.
zOMG!!! It's like the nukes are coming back! But they're even badder now. We must fears them even moars! Fearz them! It's the only way I'll keep my job!
Instead, just a bit of modification on the side of the banks and we'd have almost no "identify theft" fraud. But that doesn't happen because the banks don't want the cost of improving their security. Not when that cost can be dumped onto us (the customers) and the retailers.
"This is life and death and about our freedom and our way of life," he's not talking about the Soviet Union firing nuclear missiles at the U.S. or infiltrating our government with spies bent on subversion. He's talking about cyber criminals hacking into personal, business or government computers, stealing information, intellectual property and/or money.
Oh noes!!! The Nigerian scammers are taking our Freedom! Teenagers downloading our movies are stealing our way of life!!!
How about we focus on the real issues? Why don't the banks have a better means of verifying transactions?
I'm still more worried about nuclear missiles than I am about whether the newest Harry Potter movie is available on a torrent.
Instead of mandating what should be deployed, stick to testing the defences of the companies.
Fine them if the DHS crackers can gain access.
As a side benefit, it would discourage the monoculture. Different companies would deploy different systems and that would make it almost impossible for a single attack to crack them all.
It's only unreliable because some admins are lazy.
I guess that makes me lazy. Oh well.
Because it should be possible.
It is possible. It's just unlikely that your email will be accepted. If you're sending from a "home/dynamic" range, then YOU have to take the extra steps to distinguish YOUR email from the (literally) BILLIONS of spam messages coming from that same range. Or you can blame the admins who have to deal with those BILLIONS of spam messages.
It's still just a workaround that doesn't need to be done if the ISP handles its network properly instead of just randomly blocking ports for shits and giggles.
Again, billions of spam messages from those "home/dynamic" ranges. But blame the ISP.
And most only block outgoing port 25 so it's pretty easy to set up your MTA to send via their relay and run the MTA locally anyway, but this still retains the problem of the ISP filtering and messing with outgoing email (as well as the potential loss of outside access if their SMTP relay decides to go down, and I've seen enough ancient Solaris machines handling customer email to have a strong distrust of ISP SMTP relays, it shouldn't be "normal" for it to go down at least 1-2 times per week if you have tens of thousands of customers).
Yep, that's one sentence. The simple solution is for YOU to find a mail relay service that will accept your conditions as a customer. I use Google. I don't have to connect to their servers on port 25 so I'm not blocked by the ISP's rules.
Again, it's easy to complain about "lazy" admins but the reality is that YOU have to distinguish YOUR email from the ocean of spam that those "lazy" admins deal with every day.
Pilots should go through the same procedure as everyone else because otherwise all a terrorist would need to do would be to impersonate a pilot and skip the checks.
Now whether the checks are useful in the first place is a different discussion.
Any time you make exceptions to security you weaken security.
Although if you stick to the mythology of the series... there may not be much difference between the two. Re-watch the final episode if you need it clarified.
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He's usually a LOT more intelligent than that.
2nd - be proactive. Pass a law that requires that each ISP check the packets on their network and do NOT forward any packets that do not match the addresses they control. There, spoofing is pretty much dead.
3rd - whitelists, not blacklists. Know who you absolutely must have an Internet connection to and why. If someone is flooding your network, block everyone else. (yeah, this won't work for Amazon or eBay)
4th - it's the GOVERNMENT. Use your purchasing power to demand real improvements in security.
You know, while that may be true, it does not really support your implied statement.
I don't care if your friends do it to each other for fun. If you don't have a problem with it being done to unwilling participants then there is something wrong with you.
You think that this will be a sham?
Son, you don't know what a sham is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon
The questions and answers are already written.
The people tasked with "asking" those "questions" already have their Facebook accounts created.
Leave NOTHING to chance.
Would you rather have your child walk past a line of dogs on the way to the plane or go through an "enhanced pat-down" by Chester the TSA agent?
To accomplish what? As a practical joke? To shut down the airport? To try to get a real bomb through?
The rational for the action would indicate the response to the action.
I remember back when we had real trolls. Not these thin-blooded wanna-bes.
So you cannot parse basic English or you are completely ignorant of recent history or you're trolling.
And you even got some mod points. Interesting.
No. You said that the method used by the TSA worked. I said that it did not because it didn't catch any of the terrorists since the WTC attack.
You said something about fences and coyotes. I pointed out that the "coyotes" were still there and had not been stopped.
Now you're talking about whether the shoe bomber had been caught by the TSA. He had not. He was stopped by other people on the plane.
All that and you even started off this thread with "racist".
Feel free to wander around the subject, but the fact is that the TSA has never caught a single terrorist. Never.
But the shoe bomber got through the TSA's checks.
Therefore, the methods the TSA used did not stop a terrorist from getting a bomb onto a plane.
You have a problem with that. Whatever.
Racial profiling fails. It was gamed over 20 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair
I think that the reason that the TSA would not be happy with this idea is that the TSA seems a LOT more focused on technology as a "solution".
But that makes sense. How much money is there in training dogs as opposed to selling/maintaining/upgrading new scanning machines?
Seems that the TSA does have "coyotes" so yes, we can rule out the fence as preventing them.
Particularly since, as I've stated before, the TSA is not catching ANY terrorists. Not a single one.
Now, you seem to be arguing that this is because the TSA is so effective that the terrorists just don't try any more.
But that is contradicted by the facts. The shoe bomber.
So your "logic" is that the terrorists don't even try except for the ones who do try and who elude the TSA and get onto the planes but that's only because the TSA stopped them which it did not.
So the method that the TSA uses works because the TSA hasn't caught anyone by using that method.
But people are caught.
But not by the TSA.
Wanna buy a rock that prevents crocodile attacks?
And yet Timmy McVeigh and the UniBomber weren't Arab.
Nice work. You should apply for a job with the TSA because you are operating under the same mental limitation as they are.
Stop trying to defend against the LAST attack.
If you check all Arab men, then the guy will just get his girlfriend to carry the bomb through security.
Here's a history lesson for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair
Seems like your approach has already been gamed by the terrorists. Over 20 years ago.
Instead of going through a scanner, walk through the metal detector and a fan blows over you and into a kennel of trained dogs.
Since the fan is blowing your stink to the dogs, you don't have a problem with allergies.
Then you just need to keep rotating the dogs so that someone cannot come through with something that will damage their noses to cover for the next guy in line bringing through a bomb.
In fact, they should randomize the check points so that the terrorists will never know who will be going through which checkpoint in what order.
Who's been caught by the TSA?
Not a single terrorist has EVER been caught by the TSA while trying to board a plane.
And if they thought your can of Coke was really a threat, then why don't they treat you like a threat when they find it? Instead they just demand that you throw the POTENTIAL LIQUID EXPLOSIVE into a garbage can next to them.
It is 100% bullshit.
The day you exclude 80 year old invalids from the same scans as everyone else is the day that the terrorists start recruiting 80 year old invalids.
You'd lose that bet. Random checks (really random) mean that the terrorists will never know who will be checked. So there is no way for them to "game" the system.
And "gaming" the system is exactly how we ended up with the shoe bomber and captain underpants.
Have you ever worked with/for someone who just sat on projects until they went critical?
That's an adrenaline junkie.
If there's not a crisis, they cannot function. They procrastinate and waffle and keep delaying until it's an emergency.
Then they get the rush they want AND they cannot be blamed for the decisions they made during the crisis.
Seriously, is everyone who works for "Homeland Security" an idiot? Is there some maximum IQ you can have before you're unqualified?
Attacking a bus is completely different than attacking a plane.
Even if these measure were useful in defending a plane (which they are not) they wouldn't apply to a bus because any terrorist WOULD NOT GO THROUGH THEM and would, instead, drive next to the bus and blow up his car.
MAYBE they'd be useful in a subway. As long as the train never left the tunnels and all the access routes were sealed shut.
Which still leave the malls and the after Thanksgiving crowds there.
And that doesn't even cover things like a couple of snipers just shooting people in DC.
The TSA has not yet caught a single terrorist attempting to get on a plane.
The TSA is NOT the "last line of defense". The last line of defense will be the other passengers on the flight.
If the TSA really thought that your bottle of water was a bomb then why don't they treat you like a person who just attempted to smuggle a bomb onto the plane?
The TSA is useless at their stated mission.
I'm sure that Novell could have found some way to transfer ownership of those items to the public. If Novell had wanted to.
He's propping up his job with whatever rhetoric he can dig up.
zOMG!!! It's like the nukes are coming back! But they're even badder now. We must fears them even moars! Fearz them! It's the only way I'll keep my job!
Instead, just a bit of modification on the side of the banks and we'd have almost no "identify theft" fraud.
But that doesn't happen because the banks don't want the cost of improving their security.
Not when that cost can be dumped onto us (the customers) and the retailers.
From TFA:
Oh noes!!! The Nigerian scammers are taking our Freedom! Teenagers downloading our movies are stealing our way of life!!!
How about we focus on the real issues? Why don't the banks have a better means of verifying transactions?
I'm still more worried about nuclear missiles than I am about whether the newest Harry Potter movie is available on a torrent.
But that's just me.
It makes those articles much more interesting to read.
Instead of mandating what should be deployed, stick to testing the defences of the companies.
Fine them if the DHS crackers can gain access.
As a side benefit, it would discourage the monoculture. Different companies would deploy different systems and that would make it almost impossible for a single attack to crack them all.
I guess that makes me lazy. Oh well.
It is possible. It's just unlikely that your email will be accepted. If you're sending from a "home/dynamic" range, then YOU have to take the extra steps to distinguish YOUR email from the (literally) BILLIONS of spam messages coming from that same range. Or you can blame the admins who have to deal with those BILLIONS of spam messages.
Again, billions of spam messages from those "home/dynamic" ranges. But blame the ISP.
Yep, that's one sentence. The simple solution is for YOU to find a mail relay service that will accept your conditions as a customer. I use Google. I don't have to connect to their servers on port 25 so I'm not blocked by the ISP's rules.
Again, it's easy to complain about "lazy" admins but the reality is that YOU have to distinguish YOUR email from the ocean of spam that those "lazy" admins deal with every day.
Or you can just rant on /. about it.
Pilots should go through the same procedure as everyone else because otherwise all a terrorist would need to do would be to impersonate a pilot and skip the checks.
Now whether the checks are useful in the first place is a different discussion.
Any time you make exceptions to security you weaken security.
Income tax or sales tax. One or the other. Not BOTH.
Personally, I'd support an income tax IF AND ONLY IF the sales tax was ended.
Although if you stick to the mythology of the series ... there may not be much difference between the two. Re-watch the final episode if you need it clarified.