Why, sure there is! The American Petroleum Institute said so themselves in a 1956 documentary - the Martians just need to kick out their communist-ish government and they'll find it!
Right. So rather than the Big Bang coming from basic rules of physics that "just are", it's instead supposed to come from an infinitely more complicated being that "just is"?
The whole discussion has always seemed more academic to me than anything else. Deliquescent perchlorate brine concentrates aren't somewhere you'd look for life, they're something you'd use to sterilize a surface. Even normal levels in Martian regolith are probably enough to slowly burn your skin from handling it, in a manner akin to lye.
And in your world, developing a whole new car based on updated market data is something that should either A) not be done, or B) take literally zero time.
"At the speed of filling a tank of gas" - why do you want to slow down EVs so much? Charging an EV takes 10 seconds: 5 to plug in, 5 to unplug. In the comfort of your garage. No detouring.
Even on trips they don't impose delays if you charge during meals, etc. But trips are the exception, not the rule. In your everyday life, EVs save a huge amount of time and inconvenience relative to gasoline vehicles.
Also: it's not like every company making preorders ends up on Slashdot. Just to pick a couple more: both the grocery store chains Meijer and Loblaw have placed orders.
Lastly, as for the number of trucks: expecting any given operator to go out and order a thousand of a brand new type of truck for their fleet without doing a trial run first is pure idiocy. The question is what will they think after these trucks have been in their fleets for a couple months. Expect either A) a massive surge in sales that continues into an exponential growth pattern, or B) meagre sales from thereout, only by companies for which their environmental footprint outweighs costs. We probably won't know which way it's going to go until 2020. I fully expect (A), but I'm a Tesla bull and I understand that not everyone is.
Ever priced a repair on any other nearly-6-figures car? As for your links: the first one clearly involves a dented panel replacement (hopefully no frame damage as well), not just a simple paint repair, and the second one is just the guy guessing at what's wrong with a car that he can only see through pictures. It's IMHO a bit concerning that that car has damage on both the right rear *and* the front left. What sort of accident was that car in? Some sort of highway-speed bump-spinout-hit a barrier crash? Not to high G-forces (the airbags didn't go off), so it sounds like two very confined point hits rather than a spread-out crush.
That's not how this works. There exists a definition in the usage that I utilized. You don't get to redefine my words to mean a different definition.
What you're doing is akin to someone saying "Does this tie go with this suit?" and you responding "The act of having an equal score in a sporting game cannot possibly go with a suit."
I just don't understand why someone would choose a Bolt unless they were either really opposed to waiting, or really hated minimalism. For example, you mention charge time; Model 3 charges 2 1/2 times faster than that. With a global charging network, single network, evenly spaced, well monitored and maintained (unlike CCS which is... well, not). With an onboard capability even faster for when charger powers rise. And on Bolt, even that level of fast charging is an optional extra. The interior is Fisher-Price style, the base price is higher, the available options list is much more meagre, performance - while not bad - is worse, it looks dorky, GM EV depreciation rates are far higher than Teslas, Chevy customer satisfaction rates are much lower, and on and on.
Bolt just looks so incredibly unappealing to me in pretty much every respect. I mean, if it had come out several years ago it would have been game changing. But today? Just looks like an also-ran.
As for Volkswagen and this news, however: I've often sniped at other manufacturers for pretending to focus on EVs, while not actually putting forth the money to make themselves competitive - because the capital involved in tooling up is huge, and if you only go small scale, your unit costs will be too high to be profitable. You know, you see a company announce $10-12B in 10 years, likely backloaded, and it's like... yeah, you're missing a zero there. But this - $40B in five years? This is actually serious. This is the sort of money a company needs to actually pose a threat to a company like Tesla.
Best of luck, VW. The gauntlet has been thrown down.
Idioms 14. a couple of, more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there. A dinner party, whether for a couple of old friends or eight new acquaintances, takes nearly the same amount of effort.
Indeed, current superchargers are mainly in the parking lots of other businesses. Tesla gets to install them for free because the businesses love the idea of having people hanging around their business for 10-40 minutes, generally wanting meals and entertainment in the meantime.
With the new approach, however, Tesla wants to capture that business for themselves. Understandable, really.
2) Model 3 can add 70-75 miles per 10 minutes charging at under 50% DoD (slow taper down after that, still fast), easily enough for road tripping without extra delays beyond meals and bathroom / stretch breaks.
3) It's unusual to charge to full (which takes about 75 minutes, not 3 hours) when on road trips; you generally charge to 80% or so. Or less if you're planning a stop at a certain point for which 80% would be overkill.
4) Model 3 (which can take up to 525A, versus the current 300A that superchargers can provide - aka, has the potential to charge *even faster*) uses a fan and radiator to get rid of waste heat while supercharging. There are louvres under the air dam that open up when there's heat that needs to be rid of and close otherwise.
5) Any need for faster charging than a vehicle can get rid of waste heat can be done with a cooled cable, with the charge port incorporating a heat exchanger - aka, waste heat goes into the cable coolant and back to the charger (which would have coolant tanks and a chiller). You don't need a thicker wire - just a cooled wire, and current can be increased by 1-2 orders of magnitude (passive air cooling of cables is a very slow way to get rid of heat)
6) It's not the "fill time" that matters for gasoline vehicles, it's the overhead. I've actually taken measurements on this - "speed running" gas station fills. With a gas station immediately on the way (no detouring), no traffic (waiting for a single car turning in front of you can significantly slow you down - let alone having to wait for a pump), paying with a RFID tag rather than credit card (faster), unscrewing the cap while validating the tag to save time, and filling up a car with a very small fuel tank, I find that the minimum time before I rejoin my path home is three minutes. Meanwhile, in your everyday life, an EV fuels in 10 seconds: 5 seconds to plug in in the evening, 5 seconds to unplug in the morning. In the comfort of your garage.
Funny, the vehicle that they had on stage and doing test drives after the event was one of the most realistic looking "imaginary vehicles" I've ever seen.
In serial production? No. Ready for serial production? No. But definitely not imaginary.
Model 3 has been launched since July. They're about 3 months behind schedule, with about 1k produced so far. A large chunk of those just in the past couple weeks.
I once read about a high altitude mine that had a custom built electric truck haul ore to where it could be processed and shipped out. The truck actually had to discharge at the bottom, not charge, as the energy it consumed going up empty was less than the energy it recovered going down full.
.... which was unveiled on 19 october 2016. And delivered in its basic form, although the updates for the "upcoming" expanded capabilities certainly have been well behind schedule. But most certainly not something from "more than a couple years ago".
That said: I'm actually very much a doubter about full self driving, and if there's anything I think Tesla will fail on, it will be this.
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Why, sure there is! The American Petroleum Institute said so themselves in a 1956 documentary - the Martians just need to kick out their communist-ish government and they'll find it!
Right. So rather than the Big Bang coming from basic rules of physics that "just are", it's instead supposed to come from an infinitely more complicated being that "just is"?
Why hello Occam!
The whole discussion has always seemed more academic to me than anything else. Deliquescent perchlorate brine concentrates aren't somewhere you'd look for life, they're something you'd use to sterilize a surface. Even normal levels in Martian regolith are probably enough to slowly burn your skin from handling it, in a manner akin to lye.
And in your world, developing a whole new car based on updated market data is something that should either A) not be done, or B) take literally zero time.
"At the speed of filling a tank of gas" - why do you want to slow down EVs so much? Charging an EV takes 10 seconds: 5 to plug in, 5 to unplug. In the comfort of your garage. No detouring.
Even on trips they don't impose delays if you charge during meals, etc. But trips are the exception, not the rule. In your everyday life, EVs save a huge amount of time and inconvenience relative to gasoline vehicles.
Is JB Hunt not a real trucking company?
And your link is wrong.
Also: it's not like every company making preorders ends up on Slashdot. Just to pick a couple more: both the grocery store chains Meijer and Loblaw have placed orders.
Lastly, as for the number of trucks: expecting any given operator to go out and order a thousand of a brand new type of truck for their fleet without doing a trial run first is pure idiocy. The question is what will they think after these trucks have been in their fleets for a couple months. Expect either A) a massive surge in sales that continues into an exponential growth pattern, or B) meagre sales from thereout, only by companies for which their environmental footprint outweighs costs. We probably won't know which way it's going to go until 2020. I fully expect (A), but I'm a Tesla bull and I understand that not everyone is.
Ever priced a repair on any other nearly-6-figures car? As for your links: the first one clearly involves a dented panel replacement (hopefully no frame damage as well), not just a simple paint repair, and the second one is just the guy guessing at what's wrong with a car that he can only see through pictures. It's IMHO a bit concerning that that car has damage on both the right rear *and* the front left. What sort of accident was that car in? Some sort of highway-speed bump-spinout-hit a barrier crash? Not to high G-forces (the airbags didn't go off), so it sounds like two very confined point hits rather than a spread-out crush.
At least they finally got around to a proper camper mode. That's another thing that had been waiting years.
How's the update for automatically moving the steering wheel out of your way when you get out working out?
Tesla's third vehicle did come out in 2015: the Model X. So they inserted an extra model into the lineup during the concept phase - so what?
Right. And I'm sure all of the institutional investors' due diligence investigations decided not to check into that.
That's not how this works. There exists a definition in the usage that I utilized. You don't get to redefine my words to mean a different definition.
What you're doing is akin to someone saying "Does this tie go with this suit?" and you responding "The act of having an equal score in a sporting game cannot possibly go with a suit."
I just don't understand why someone would choose a Bolt unless they were either really opposed to waiting, or really hated minimalism. For example, you mention charge time; Model 3 charges 2 1/2 times faster than that. With a global charging network, single network, evenly spaced, well monitored and maintained (unlike CCS which is... well, not). With an onboard capability even faster for when charger powers rise. And on Bolt, even that level of fast charging is an optional extra. The interior is Fisher-Price style, the base price is higher, the available options list is much more meagre, performance - while not bad - is worse, it looks dorky, GM EV depreciation rates are far higher than Teslas, Chevy customer satisfaction rates are much lower, and on and on.
Bolt just looks so incredibly unappealing to me in pretty much every respect. I mean, if it had come out several years ago it would have been game changing. But today? Just looks like an also-ran.
As for Volkswagen and this news, however: I've often sniped at other manufacturers for pretending to focus on EVs, while not actually putting forth the money to make themselves competitive - because the capital involved in tooling up is huge, and if you only go small scale, your unit costs will be too high to be profitable. You know, you see a company announce $10-12B in 10 years, likely backloaded, and it's like... yeah, you're missing a zero there. But this - $40B in five years? This is actually serious. This is the sort of money a company needs to actually pose a threat to a company like Tesla.
Best of luck, VW. The gauntlet has been thrown down.
No, the whole reason that they're convoying is so they don't have to pay a driver for each vehicle.
They showed pictures of the convoying. The space between vehicles was quite large.
1) "by January" = "If it's January, then that timeframe has passed"
2) From dictionary.com:
Idioms
14.
a couple of, more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there.
A dinner party, whether for a couple of old friends or eight new acquaintances, takes nearly the same amount of effort.
Their margin on each S and X is approximately 25%, but don't let that stop you from making things up.
Indeed, current superchargers are mainly in the parking lots of other businesses. Tesla gets to install them for free because the businesses love the idea of having people hanging around their business for 10-40 minutes, generally wanting meals and entertainment in the meantime.
With the new approach, however, Tesla wants to capture that business for themselves. Understandable, really.
Meanwhile in the real world:
1) Teslas use NCA, not LCO or LFP
2) Model 3 can add 70-75 miles per 10 minutes charging at under 50% DoD (slow taper down after that, still fast), easily enough for road tripping without extra delays beyond meals and bathroom / stretch breaks.
3) It's unusual to charge to full (which takes about 75 minutes, not 3 hours) when on road trips; you generally charge to 80% or so. Or less if you're planning a stop at a certain point for which 80% would be overkill.
4) Model 3 (which can take up to 525A, versus the current 300A that superchargers can provide - aka, has the potential to charge *even faster*) uses a fan and radiator to get rid of waste heat while supercharging. There are louvres under the air dam that open up when there's heat that needs to be rid of and close otherwise.
5) Any need for faster charging than a vehicle can get rid of waste heat can be done with a cooled cable, with the charge port incorporating a heat exchanger - aka, waste heat goes into the cable coolant and back to the charger (which would have coolant tanks and a chiller). You don't need a thicker wire - just a cooled wire, and current can be increased by 1-2 orders of magnitude (passive air cooling of cables is a very slow way to get rid of heat)
6) It's not the "fill time" that matters for gasoline vehicles, it's the overhead. I've actually taken measurements on this - "speed running" gas station fills. With a gas station immediately on the way (no detouring), no traffic (waiting for a single car turning in front of you can significantly slow you down - let alone having to wait for a pump), paying with a RFID tag rather than credit card (faster), unscrewing the cap while validating the tag to save time, and filling up a car with a very small fuel tank, I find that the minimum time before I rejoin my path home is three minutes. Meanwhile, in your everyday life, an EV fuels in 10 seconds: 5 seconds to plug in in the evening, 5 seconds to unplug in the morning. In the comfort of your garage.
Not a solid line; they leave a gap between each truck, and are designed to deal with vehicles moving in and out between them.
In Europe, yes.
America is still in the dark ages.
A functional vehicle is not a "mockup". It's called a prototype in the earlier stages, a release candidate in the later stages.
Funny, the vehicle that they had on stage and doing test drives after the event was one of the most realistic looking "imaginary vehicles" I've ever seen.
In serial production? No. Ready for serial production? No. But definitely not imaginary.
Model 3 has been launched since July. They're about 3 months behind schedule, with about 1k produced so far. A large chunk of those just in the past couple weeks.
There's a jumpseat behind the driver as well.
I once read about a high altitude mine that had a custom built electric truck haul ore to where it could be processed and shipped out. The truck actually had to discharge at the bottom, not charge, as the energy it consumed going up empty was less than the energy it recovered going down full.
.... which was unveiled on 19 october 2016. And delivered in its basic form, although the updates for the "upcoming" expanded capabilities certainly have been well behind schedule. But most certainly not something from "more than a couple years ago".
That said: I'm actually very much a doubter about full self driving, and if there's anything I think Tesla will fail on, it will be this.