It might be a bad deal for Google though... MS is like the Titanic, big, and seemingly strong, however while the band is still playing it is sinking. MS has lost most if not all respect in the "real" IT world (AKA those of us who are not coding in Visual Basic) for a company that can innovate or produce stable products. Google on the other hand is going steadily up, and spending too much money to buy MS is just a bad idea, they might make some quick cash out of it, but other then that MS is a sinking ship.
Exactly, Google offers the same service but very few people search through that (of course Google's is without discounts). MS has an ability to beat Google by offering something different, but all MSN/Live has done is make a rather poor clone of Yahoo! Which many people switched to Google because they didn't like Yahoo!. There is little to no incentive to moving your home page away from Yahoo! and to MSN/Live search because it offers nothing more, while Google has an entire different layout (no ads, clean, but can be customized).
Well, I knew GTK was on Windows as the GIMP uses them, but I was referring to crucial libraries similar to GTK but not GTK that a program wouldn't work without that library being on Windows sort of how the GIMP would never be on Windows without the GTK port to Windows.
I am not talking about if it secure or not, I am talking about how it is wrong to keep schools tied to Windows/Mac and not move to Linux for the purpose of this game.
And its quite clear to anyone paying attention that Apple sets up other products as loss leaders to sell their hardware, not the other way around.
Oh really? Now tell me what those products are? OS X is just BSD with a nice theme on it (which charges around $100 per service pack), Safari is just Konqueror with a few improvements, as for the rest of the Apple software, though they took some time and money making them, they really aren't that major of improvements. iTunes isn't a loss leader in any way shape or form, iPods are hardware, and so what really does Apple sell as a loss leader?
Just about every F/OSS application has been ported to both Linux and Windows. Those that don't usually depend on a very crucial part of Linux such as something that depends on some X library or complex libraries similar to GTK that don't have a Windows port.
It may be, but here in the US there aren't sidewalks everywhere to ride your bike and to actually ride your bike you have to take tons of side streets unless you want to risk being run over on the interstate which takes you quite long and if you have to be at your job by say 8 you had better wake up at 6.
Why would they do that? For the same reason MS gives away copies of XP for $3 to third-world children, to get them hooked. Because if everyone was using a non MS OS (Be it OS X, Linux, BSD, BeOS, etc.) the MS OS would start to look pathetic and people would eventually pay higher prices for the much better OS X then using Windows. Apple would be very very smart to make cheap $300 desktops and notebooks till they can choke out all the competition by MS and then go back to their current strategy, that would make Jobs really rich and perhaps let there be more innovation.
I can understand why people get upset about the level of the profits, but don't bitch and complain, stop buying oil products.
For most of us who have jobs that is nearly impossible. If you don't live in a big city, you don't have access to buses, and using a car is just about impossible to go to your job 10, 15 or even 20 miles away. So it is impractical to walk or ride a bike. So while that may sound great, over 75% of us can't do that.
But why should the government which is supposed to be in the public interest fund proprietary software? They should have to give away the source code to get government grants for something for use in public schools because it costs the government more money:
A) The price of the OS which is around $50-$200
B) Tax money not going to the schools but to the makers of the game
C) The price of more expensive hardware to run Windows or OS X
While it is true that most schools run Windows, many are looking into using Linux instead and many many foreign schools have already done so. If this game becomes so much into the curriculum it could waste even more tax dollars on more expensive hardware along with software licenses.
Really, Congress should not use funds to help support software that it not free/open source. Now, in true/. style I didn't read TFA but I did read the summery and it doesn't say anything about Linux or source code. If a program isn't F/OSS, number 1 some people can't play it and number 2 its use is governed by one person or company, not the world. And if this goes over well in schools, this could be a real problem for Linux adoption if it doesn't work well in WINE.
Ummm.. If you are running Ubuntu, they have the GPL'd version in their repos. If you have any type of Debian-based system it might work and you could always try alien if you have an RPM based system. If you are using Gentoo.... You should be used to compiles that take a week or more:)
great just great, as if paid hackers needed any help designing and deploying system managment mode rootkits, with colinux they can put a full LAMP server on somone's windows box and they'd never notice, except that their bandwidth and memory keep getting used up...
It might be better though. With a LAMP server it is traceable, which would make it much easier to take down then say Storm which uses P2P for communication.
I don't think this will happen in as much depth as you are hoping. While Linux is 100% free and open source, it makes porting it to a proprietary OS easier then doing the reverse. WGA and other things don't help.
But MS, Nintendo, Sony and others won't be too happy to see that their revenue streams have dried up because people can't download games from services owned by them, and may be able to launch an anti-trust case. And if exceptions were made for game consoles then it won't be to long until you can just add a patch to your wireless router which removes the Comcast P2P check.
BitTorrent isn't illegal though. It would be like saying HTTP is illegal because I can download ROMs, MP3s, Cr@ck3D Warez just the same as via P2P. P2P just happens to be able to download things very, very, very efferently, so therefore people *gasp* download things on it because it is better and faster then via HTTP. As for the "legal" downloads, I am sure that
A) This program will be proprietary and won't work on platforms other then Windows and possibly Mac
B) Doesn't include a repository of all legal downloads, so if you want to download some legal content via P2P BitTorrent is your only option
C) Will be monitored more heavily then regular P2P technologies can
All of them are disadvantages, and all of them are legal reasons to use BitTorrent over Comcast's (probably) horrible P2P network.
but I worried about the idea that they'll try to force subscribers to load their P2P software on any/all machines that want to connnect, even if you don't WANT to use ANY P2P. This is just pure paranoia on my part of course, unless I'm right.
Even with all the corruption in ISPs, I doubt that it will be passed. Because the effort of monitoring it and the effort of making a cross-platform P2P application would take tons of effort if they want at least some business as it would have to be ported to Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows CE, The Xbox, The Xbox 360, iPhone OS, Mac OS X, Earlier versions of Mac prior to OS X, Nintendo Wii, Nintendo DS, PS3, PS2, Gamecube, Linux (all distros), FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, other versions of *BSD, UNIX, Solaris, various cell phone/PDA OSes, other Internet appliances, and all this software has to be not just maintained for older versions, but new versions yet to come out. So no, I don't think this will happen for a long while...
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maybe, just maybe, Blender isn't for kids that just want to make a quick model of the Solar system for a school project.
But there are very few F/OSS programs that would fill that gap (if there are any at all) and by implementing a "simple" mode which wouldn't take too long and wouldn't bloat the binary, it could fill that need, and it wouldn't just be limited to kids, adults who want to make simple 3-D models without spending hours reading tutorials and dealing with an unfamiliar interface would also help make it be popular.
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A 3D suite isn't something that's really meant to simple anyway.
While that is true for "real" use of it, if say a kid wanted to make a quick 3-D model of, say the solar system for a school project, they won't have time to learn all the interface commands. A "simple" view which lets someone create things, manage them, recolor them, and move them would be nice and an "advanced" view which would be the same or similar to the current layout which would allow you to do much more advanced things.
Also, it seems like eliminating the OS is exactly the wrong approach from an engineering perspective. The OS is there to provide drivers, and a way to upgrade stuff without altering the game software itself. Get a new video card, recompile the game with a different video driver? Ugh. And what if it's a network game? What if it has sound? What if you want to store saved games on disk?
The problem is, more often then not the OS is MS's OS. That raises a few questions, A) Will this game be supported in the next version of Windows (after Vista I think this is a question all of them need to answer) B) Will this game work even without MS's next generation of "security" (such as UAC). I don't think any of them can be truly answered without being MS and that is the real problem with PC gaming. With consoles it can be rather guaranteed that software made for the Wii will still work on a Wii made 7 years down the line, with PC gaming the disk you bought 4 years ago may not work on MS's new OS, and that is where Linux or other OSS OSes come in. With say Ubuntu you can get a free base that you know what everything is, as for driver updates it would just be as simple as including them on a CD to be flashed onto a USB drive and then the OS would read the drivers and update it. I don't see how a company can spend tons of money on a game that may not work right 2, 3, or 5 years down the road.
Hmmm? Even though I think this is some attempt to get a +5 funny mod.... That still doesn't explain why it needs 1 Gig to run anything other then Home Basic, while Ubuntu (8.04) with more advanced 3D effects, more applications, and more drivers, ran just fine on my old Intel M 1.5 GHZ CPU, cheap Intel graphic card and 512 MB of RAM with 3-D effects, and Xubuntu (8.04) runs just fine on my desktop from 2002 that hasn't been upgraded.
Woops, should have actually read most of the code.... The Emacs version isn't like Windows Solitaire, it is the peg variant, it has nothing to do with cards.
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It might be a bad deal for Google though... MS is like the Titanic, big, and seemingly strong, however while the band is still playing it is sinking. MS has lost most if not all respect in the "real" IT world (AKA those of us who are not coding in Visual Basic) for a company that can innovate or produce stable products. Google on the other hand is going steadily up, and spending too much money to buy MS is just a bad idea, they might make some quick cash out of it, but other then that MS is a sinking ship.
Exactly, Google offers the same service but very few people search through that (of course Google's is without discounts). MS has an ability to beat Google by offering something different, but all MSN/Live has done is make a rather poor clone of Yahoo! Which many people switched to Google because they didn't like Yahoo!. There is little to no incentive to moving your home page away from Yahoo! and to MSN/Live search because it offers nothing more, while Google has an entire different layout (no ads, clean, but can be customized).
Well, I knew GTK was on Windows as the GIMP uses them, but I was referring to crucial libraries similar to GTK but not GTK that a program wouldn't work without that library being on Windows sort of how the GIMP would never be on Windows without the GTK port to Windows.
I am not talking about if it secure or not, I am talking about how it is wrong to keep schools tied to Windows/Mac and not move to Linux for the purpose of this game.
Oh really? Now tell me what those products are? OS X is just BSD with a nice theme on it (which charges around $100 per service pack), Safari is just Konqueror with a few improvements, as for the rest of the Apple software, though they took some time and money making them, they really aren't that major of improvements. iTunes isn't a loss leader in any way shape or form, iPods are hardware, and so what really does Apple sell as a loss leader?
Just about every F/OSS application has been ported to both Linux and Windows. Those that don't usually depend on a very crucial part of Linux such as something that depends on some X library or complex libraries similar to GTK that don't have a Windows port.
But then we would just have to use CTRL+U rather then CTRL+C
It may be, but here in the US there aren't sidewalks everywhere to ride your bike and to actually ride your bike you have to take tons of side streets unless you want to risk being run over on the interstate which takes you quite long and if you have to be at your job by say 8 you had better wake up at 6.
Why would they do that? For the same reason MS gives away copies of XP for $3 to third-world children, to get them hooked. Because if everyone was using a non MS OS (Be it OS X, Linux, BSD, BeOS, etc.) the MS OS would start to look pathetic and people would eventually pay higher prices for the much better OS X then using Windows. Apple would be very very smart to make cheap $300 desktops and notebooks till they can choke out all the competition by MS and then go back to their current strategy, that would make Jobs really rich and perhaps let there be more innovation.
For most of us who have jobs that is nearly impossible. If you don't live in a big city, you don't have access to buses, and using a car is just about impossible to go to your job 10, 15 or even 20 miles away. So it is impractical to walk or ride a bike. So while that may sound great, over 75% of us can't do that.
But why should the government which is supposed to be in the public interest fund proprietary software? They should have to give away the source code to get government grants for something for use in public schools because it costs the government more money:
A) The price of the OS which is around $50-$200
B) Tax money not going to the schools but to the makers of the game
C) The price of more expensive hardware to run Windows or OS X
While it is true that most schools run Windows, many are looking into using Linux instead and many many foreign schools have already done so. If this game becomes so much into the curriculum it could waste even more tax dollars on more expensive hardware along with software licenses.
Really, Congress should not use funds to help support software that it not free/open source. Now, in true /. style I didn't read TFA but I did read the summery and it doesn't say anything about Linux or source code. If a program isn't F/OSS, number 1 some people can't play it and number 2 its use is governed by one person or company, not the world. And if this goes over well in schools, this could be a real problem for Linux adoption if it doesn't work well in WINE.
Ummm.. If you are running Ubuntu, they have the GPL'd version in their repos. If you have any type of Debian-based system it might work and you could always try alien if you have an RPM based system. If you are using Gentoo.... You should be used to compiles that take a week or more :)
It might be better though. With a LAMP server it is traceable, which would make it much easier to take down then say Storm which uses P2P for communication.
I don't think this will happen in as much depth as you are hoping. While Linux is 100% free and open source, it makes porting it to a proprietary OS easier then doing the reverse. WGA and other things don't help.
Yes, But I think that this doesn't virtualize the entire OS just a part of it which would make it run faster.
But MS, Nintendo, Sony and others won't be too happy to see that their revenue streams have dried up because people can't download games from services owned by them, and may be able to launch an anti-trust case. And if exceptions were made for game consoles then it won't be to long until you can just add a patch to your wireless router which removes the Comcast P2P check.
BitTorrent isn't illegal though. It would be like saying HTTP is illegal because I can download ROMs, MP3s, Cr@ck3D Warez just the same as via P2P. P2P just happens to be able to download things very, very, very efferently, so therefore people *gasp* download things on it because it is better and faster then via HTTP. As for the "legal" downloads, I am sure that
A) This program will be proprietary and won't work on platforms other then Windows and possibly Mac
B) Doesn't include a repository of all legal downloads, so if you want to download some legal content via P2P BitTorrent is your only option
C) Will be monitored more heavily then regular P2P technologies can
All of them are disadvantages, and all of them are legal reasons to use BitTorrent over Comcast's (probably) horrible P2P network.
Even with all the corruption in ISPs, I doubt that it will be passed. Because the effort of monitoring it and the effort of making a cross-platform P2P application would take tons of effort if they want at least some business as it would have to be ported to Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows CE, The Xbox, The Xbox 360, iPhone OS, Mac OS X, Earlier versions of Mac prior to OS X, Nintendo Wii, Nintendo DS, PS3, PS2, Gamecube, Linux (all distros), FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, other versions of *BSD, UNIX, Solaris, various cell phone/PDA OSes, other Internet appliances, and all this software has to be not just maintained for older versions, but new versions yet to come out. So no, I don't think this will happen for a long while...
But there are very few F/OSS programs that would fill that gap (if there are any at all) and by implementing a "simple" mode which wouldn't take too long and wouldn't bloat the binary, it could fill that need, and it wouldn't just be limited to kids, adults who want to make simple 3-D models without spending hours reading tutorials and dealing with an unfamiliar interface would also help make it be popular.
While that is true for "real" use of it, if say a kid wanted to make a quick 3-D model of, say the solar system for a school project, they won't have time to learn all the interface commands. A "simple" view which lets someone create things, manage them, recolor them, and move them would be nice and an "advanced" view which would be the same or similar to the current layout which would allow you to do much more advanced things.
The problem is, more often then not the OS is MS's OS. That raises a few questions, A) Will this game be supported in the next version of Windows (after Vista I think this is a question all of them need to answer) B) Will this game work even without MS's next generation of "security" (such as UAC). I don't think any of them can be truly answered without being MS and that is the real problem with PC gaming. With consoles it can be rather guaranteed that software made for the Wii will still work on a Wii made 7 years down the line, with PC gaming the disk you bought 4 years ago may not work on MS's new OS, and that is where Linux or other OSS OSes come in. With say Ubuntu you can get a free base that you know what everything is, as for driver updates it would just be as simple as including them on a CD to be flashed onto a USB drive and then the OS would read the drivers and update it. I don't see how a company can spend tons of money on a game that may not work right 2, 3, or 5 years down the road.
Well, as they say, Emacs is a perfectly good operating system, it just lacks a decent text editor.
Hmmm? Even though I think this is some attempt to get a +5 funny mod.... That still doesn't explain why it needs 1 Gig to run anything other then Home Basic, while Ubuntu (8.04) with more advanced 3D effects, more applications, and more drivers, ran just fine on my old Intel M 1.5 GHZ CPU, cheap Intel graphic card and 512 MB of RAM with 3-D effects, and Xubuntu (8.04) runs just fine on my desktop from 2002 that hasn't been upgraded.
Woops, should have actually read most of the code.... The Emacs version isn't like Windows Solitaire, it is the peg variant, it has nothing to do with cards.