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A Virtualized Linux System For Windows
getupstandup1 writes "Ulteo today unveiled their Virtual Desktop (screenshots, download) which is a free, full Linux desktop that runs seamlessly on Windows. It's interesting because it's not running under Xen or VMWare, but instead uses the coLinux patch, which they claim allows the system to achieve 'great performance, close to a native installation on the PC.' No need to reboot the system anymore to switch from Windows to Linux." We discussed Ulteo when the Ubuntu-derived distro was announced a year back.
Is it just me, or did this already exist? Doesn't sound that new to me...
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Yeah, unfortunately the video output is as snappy as VNC or VMWare. Virtualize the 3d graphics driver already.
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Getting Ubuntu to work with Virtual PC 2007 and NOW they tell me?! Geez. Although it IS typical with Slashdot.
I'm going to have to look into their "application balls" -- the applications I have now are all effete and neutered.
What games does this let me play?
In fact, wiki has a list. Look under the "Guest OS speed relative to Host OS" column: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines#More_Details
Most are native or near native.
Does it have native support for wine?
If you can read this, I forgot to post anonymously.
Linuces. The 'x' is only the nominative singular form, for everything else you use c + ending.
I'm all in favor of any projects like this that ease the transition from Windows to Linux. But I do wish it was the other way around: I want to run Windows safely inside a sandbox inside Linux.
If you are surfing the web from inside your virtual Linux, you are using the Windows networking stack. This will be more secure than using IE under Windows, but it's still using the Windows networking stack. I'd feel better if it was the Linux networking stack trying to fend off the various attacks your system can suffer from the Internet.
Can it use your 3d card? stuff on the usb ports? firewire? other add in cards?
index => indices
linux => linuces
I think
Names don't get pluralised.
Why on earth would anyone want to run Linux on a Windows box? That's like building your house on a dung hill.
Though I suppose it comes in handy for accessing those Linux only web sites. ;)
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Except Linux is a name, and thus not subject to normal endings. E.G. Phil Falux's family is not the Faluces. It's the Faluxs. Thus, Linuxs is probably the most correct form, though Linuxes wouldn't be in very bad taste.
I see. But I've got an excuse: english is my third language ;)
linux => linuces
I think I prefer the incorrect Linuxen, if only because I can then imagine giant penguins being used as cattle.
I would include a sound effect (i.e., Mooooo~) here, but I have no idea what kinda sound effect Penguins do. Perhaps...
SEGFAUUUUUUUUT~~~~
Cecil Adams has an interesting discussion of Latin/English pluralizations hidden in a discussion of the proper plural of penis.
The correct sound is Quork!, it seems.
Either that, or that the dictionary is in alphabetic order, as is the norm for dictionaries...
Linuxoj?
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The Ulteo Logo looks like a dead ringer for Konami's old logo.
I guess this means you need to press Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A to get the thing to boot properly?
So Tux becomes Tuces? :D
In order: no, no, no, no.
I've run colinux, it provides you a console and a virtual network interface and that's about it. The console has some slow graphics.
The only one of those I know how to actually get you is to run Cygwin's OpenGL-equipped X server, and then use XDMCP to connect to your colinux VM.
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I can't wait to run WINE on it..
Why would you want linux running in windoze? Isnt this backwards?
Finally, the stability and security of Windows with the application availability of Linux.
to install Wine on Ulteo, and run Unteo within Wine, and run Wine within that instance of Ulteo... Etc?
I tend to prefer having the MORE stable OS be the one with direct hardware access, and the flakier OS standing on the other's shoulders. Vmware is the only way I've run windows at home at all in many years, and it works out just fine for me.
A computer without Microsoft is like ice cream without ketchup.
If:
Box -> Boxen
Then:
Tux -> Tuxen
Does it translate linux api/abi calls to windows ones or is it doing something else to avoid being an emulator?
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This is a
Nope, two becomes Toonces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rdLOrOLJiA&NR=1
but I have no idea what kinda sound effect Penguins do. Perhaps...
Last penguin I heard was singing Boogie Wonderland, so who knows...
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One of these will someday appeal to PC gamers who only care about their FPS in various obscure games. If we could provide them with a one-click Linux native in Windows we will have loads of new Linux users. This will of course need 3D ACCELERATION (caps) as Compiz is what they usually want. :)
VMware is doing 3d acceleration the other way around in one of their products which are in beta. Accelerated Windows in a VM in Linux. But, doh! Won't win any gamers over with that one. -1 FPS and it gets the boot!
Girls are strange. They don't come with a man page.
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Oy vey. Talk about a solution in search of a problem. WINE exists because there is a huge amount of Windows applications that would be ideal to run on Linux. What on earth is the point of this? Am I just missing something completely obvious?
I can't believe that got modded Insightful. What sort of illiterate moderators do we have on here?
English words ending in x add es to make a plural. Do you say "boxs"??
It is a proper noun anyway, so if you need a plural, you should say "distributions of".
I also hope there was no seriousness in the suggestions that plurals in -ces and -ii would be appropriate.
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You're right, so your post is like fex, and when you post a second time you have feces.
Some list words in decreasing order of popularity, though.
At least my Oxford's does that.
But isn't that project you linked more like Wubi?
Instead of being a Windows port of the Linux kernel (yeah... weird) like and/coLinux is, it is a Windows based Linux installer, which stuffs the whole distro's file system into a single file in your Windows' partition.
well, *I* thought this was clever!
Who runs 3D accellerated stuff in a VM anyways?
Perhaps if 3D-accelerated VMs were more widespread...
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This seems to be integrated very well into the Windows desktop: open windows show up in the taskbar, you can print to Windows printers, store files in "My Documents". I would not even consider Ulteo for my own machines, but on a Windows desktop at work, this will give me access to most of my fave Linux apps. Not bad!
Here's a clue:
It's never ii.
Never.
I don't care what you think you know about Latin, but we speak English, and in English you pluralize with -s or -es.
Some prescriptivists with a Classical fetish in the past have promoted words like "cacti", but the reality is that "cactuses" is perfectly acceptable modern English.
Even if -s or -es turns out to be wrong, you'll just look like you made an understandable mistake.
If you use -i or (even worse) -ii and it's wrong, then you'll look like an utter moron.
Indeed, coLinux has existed for several years. And for much of that time there have been distros specialized to use it. But the way these things work is that some new feature starts out in obscure specialist projects and slowly migrates to the larger distributions. When Ubuntu itself picks up coLinux support, that will also be newsworthy.
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Either that, or that the dictionary is in alphabetic order, as is the norm for dictionaries...
Most dictionaries list alternative spellings and plurals after a noun. This is most likely to what the GP was referring.
E.g.: index, noun (pl. -dexes or esp. in technical use -dices)
Stop! Dremel time!
Also, who runs 3D accelerated stuff in Linux?
Stop! Dremel time!
make MythTV work on this! Since I see no distributed frontends that don't suck or won't work correctly in Windows, this may finally be the answer to all those prayers. My girlfriend is not interested in running Linux, but she sometimes wants to watch her shows while she's running raids in WoW. This would make her very happy as running her shows through a SMB share doesn't help since the shows use their own naming scheme that doesn't exactly tell her what it is.
Ok, as long as you stop trolling I'll be glad to accomodate your request. The sacrifice would be worth it for the huge improvement in quality we'd see here.
But I seem to be able to remember too that 10 years ago someone showed me this at work and I was in awe. And then it crashed.
I didn't find it to be all that slow from a screen refresh standpoint. I haven't tried any OpenGL stuff yet but that I mostly do on a native Linux box, not via virtualization.
I guess "Pick the right tool for the job" is what comes to mind.
You're the only one who thinks it is a troll.. I think you're just upset that it is +5 and you disagree.
BTW - there is one VM that does virtualization of 3d hardware.. VMWare Fusion. Back when I worked for VMWare they were talking about doing it, but it was always pushed off to the next release. It's for the Mac so I haven't used it, so I don't know how great it is, and there's probably good reasons why it can't be done on Windows or Linux hosts.
Also, the Cygwin/X server (that Ulteo uses) currently uses the Mesa 3d library for OpenGL support, which is completely software with no 3d acceleration. This is the easiest route to add OpenGL extensions to Cygwin/X and is better than nothing, but I imagine that eventually someone will start calling the Windows OpenGL implementation instead and then Ulteo will be massively better.
I don't know who you are, but you seem to have an axe to grind and I think if you just stop and be a little reasonable you'll see that I'm not "trolling" or whatever - I just have different opinions to you. Wouldn't the world be boring if we all automatically agreed?
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Whenever people hear a word that ends with "s" (or that sounds like it should), they assume that there's some silly grammatical rule that they need to know about. There is a rule, but it's so hard to follow, you shouldn't even try.
Here's the rule: a lot of words that end with "-us" (not all of them! more on that in a moment) are borrowed from Latin. In that language, a noun ending with "-us" is a singluar form (dominus, lord; servus, slave) that takes a plural form ending in "-i" (domini, lords; servi, slaves). In theory, it's more "correct" to use foreign inflections with foreign words. So instead of "octopuses", "styluses", and "circuses", people say "octopi", "styli", and "circi".
No, wait, nobody says "circi", do they? It's the "correct" usage, because it's a Latin word, but the established usage is "circuses".
The other examples I gave are commonly used, but are in no sense "correct". "Octopus" does not come from Latin: it's a Greek word, and the Greek plural is "octopods". "Stylus" is Latin, but it's misspelled Latin: the Romans spelled it "stilus". It got changed to "stylus" because somebody thought it was somehow derived from the Greek word "stylos". But it's not, so the "correct" way to refer to that thing that comes with your PDA is "stilus" and "stili".
But to heck with being "correct". It's the tar baby of the literate. Just use the rules you learned in grade school and be done with it.
I have to use Windows on my work computer, but I need to run some unix apps, primarily C++ apps that I compile using g++. So, I use Cygwin. Is this a potential replacement, and if so, why?
The more people I meet, the better I like my dog.
GIRLFRIEND and WoW. Haha. AND, girlfriend who PLAYS WoW. This is slashdot buddy, we know you are making it up.
The modern usage comes from Linnaeus's arbitrary appropriation of the word to describe a quite different family of plants. So your prescriptivist would be a nonclassical type.
Of course, it's still silly and pretentious to say "cacti".
While this may be a well suited way of emulation for developers (although nothing can beat a real pure Linux install), I just don't see the point for end users. Considering that most Linux applications are also ported to Windows, there isn't any real use for the average user. And I know some people here are going to say that the ports are not as quick or executed as well as the Linux counterpart, but doesn't the bloat of this virtualized Linux-in-Windows system outweigh the crappyness of the Windows port?
That makes sense, after all, if you run Linux on a Server Box you obviously run Linices on your server boces!
A pox on you theory, in fact... two poces!
"16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
Except that the plural of Box is not Boxen. Stop making up words.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
I've been waiting for this, because what I have always really wanted was to combine the application compatibility of Linux with the operating system reliability of Windows.
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But you going the wrong way"
With respect to Timbaland ft. The Hives - Throw It On Me.
It is great to promote Linux, but the big reason why most people don't use Linux is not because they cannot run it, but because Linux doesn't run the software they want to use.
Be it commercial games like Worlds of Warcraft, or the business applications that they need to run their business.
Look, the real reason why Vista doesn't take off is because Vista won't run most legacy Windows programs.
WINE doesn't cut it, nice try, but you either have to tweak WINE or used a hacked/cracked version of the commercial software that has been modified to work with WINE due to copyright protection.
Another reason why people don't use Linux is lack of third party driver support. Most people can get video and audio support, but wireless, NIC, winmodems, forget it unless you like using NDISWrapper and hope you can hack the Windows drivers to work properly without dropping your connection. Either that or try experimental drivers that need kernel headers and code tweakings to be able to work with modern gcc compilers and Linux kernels.
Run Linux in a virtual machine, fine and dandy. It is one more step towards weening people off of Windows and into Linux. Now all you need are the software programs and drivers that most people need to get things done.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
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yeah, so did i
Looks like you need to add "Anonymous Coward" to your friends list.
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It depends on how pro-latin english speaker you are. Those words belong to the third declension and if you consider linux to be a latin-based word it would indeed be linuces. But then you also have antenna, pl. antennae and datum, pl. data.
"All linuces I have worked with have some malformed datum bits when connected to several wireless antennae"
"wahts woring iwth my tyoping?"
Yeah, he's fucked me there.
How we know is more important than what we know.
How can I get a divorce from my wife and a brand new Asian girlfriend?
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"WINE doesn't cut it, nice try, but you either have to tweak WINE or used a hacked/cracked version of the commercial software that has been modified to work with WINE due to copyright protection."
Please read how to get Worlds of Warcraft working under WINE, the average person doesn't want to take that many steps to make it work, plus using a hacked/cracked version that might have a trojan inside of it stealing data.
What I am talking about is having a Worlds of Warcraft native Linux version, just insert the CD, install, then play. No messing around with command lines, using malware cracked versions to patch it with, tweaking system files, changing WINE configurations, using WINE addons, and even still having game freezes and lockups even if everything is configured correctly.
You are just too damn stupid to read my entire post, aren't you? Most Linux geeks are like that.
Windows users don't want to do half-a-million steps, and use malware hacked files, and then still have freezes and lockups just to get WINE working properly to run games inside of it. They don't even want to RTFM or RTFA about what they need to do to force WINE to work the way they want it to work or Linux for that matter. They want an OS that works the way they want it to work, and native software programs that don't need crappy things like WINE to work, and native driver support for their third party software that is reliable, and an easy to use and configure OS that doesn't need complex steps to use, it shouldn't force the average user to read books or web pages, or to even think, it should be intuitive enough to work that the user just clicks the mouse a few times and takes no less than a few minutes to get things working. This isn't that hard to figure out. But really stupid people don't understand that, and thus they fail to see why Linux hasn't caught on as well as Windows has, or even Mac OSX is catching on. Windows and Mac OSX don't need too much work to get things to work, unlike Linux.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Yes, you are telling me all sorts of new things here that I didn't know before. Thank you so much for enlightening me and no doubt everyone else on this site.
How we know is more important than what we know.
to make a plural. Do you say "boxs"?? No, I say "boces".
Now if this where reversed, Windows on top of Linux with close to full speed and with full 3D support for my nVidia card, I would be taking out my credit card. But not like this.
Everyone who buys Wild Hunt will receive 16 specially prepared DLCs absolutely for free, regardless of platform.
I also hope there was no seriousness in the suggestions that plurals in -ces and -ii would be appropriate.
How about radius, radii? I think there's no contest there."wahts woring iwth my tyoping?"
Actually the original plural form is probably "Linuxit", as Finns pronounce it that way. (Suffix is 't'. A stemming vowel 'i' is added for pronounciation.)
it was though, a perfectly cromulent word.
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Why would you want linux running in windoze? Isnt this backwards?
It can be done, but only for older versions.
http://win4lin.net/content/
I haen't tried it. I use windows so seldom that I couldn't justify the cost. I simply dual boot instead for free.
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It's for the Mac so I haven't used it, so I don't know how great it is, and there's probably good reasons why it can't be done on Windows or Linux hosts.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Vista could pull it off. The whole underpinnings of 'aero glass', in terms of the hardware abstraction layer its got, are essentially exactly what you'd need to 3d accelerate a VM.
Buy an (female) Asian sheep. That takes care of the "girlfriend" part. Get caught by your wife and several of her friends with you and the sheep having wild, passionate sex. The divorce should follow quickly Glad I could help.
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back up very, very regularly.
Also note that one can already run VMware Server using a Windows host, though I don't quite understand why anyone would want to. I'm using a Windows VM to run W98SE (I'm running Eudora/Windows and waiting for Eudora/Linux to become ready for prime time) and instead of having it crash daily on native hardware, it crashes every few weeks in a VM. I have no more idea than you do why one would prefer an unstable host and a stable VM to the reverse.
The only downside I've noticed with VMware Server is that there are some kinds of DOS graphic modes the virtual video card just won't do.
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is available as a .deb from Sun for personal use for free. Main difference? USB access from the VM. (which is extremely useful)
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Non-Linux Penguins ?
I liked your argument until you made this statement.
Corporate IT people keep the makes and models of user desktops and laptops to a minimum. This means that they can roll out Windows PCs quickly and just using one of a handful of build images if they need to rollout a new machine or rebuild an existing one.
Yes, drivers under Linux can still be a problem - but with diligent hardware selection, that problem goes away.
So it still comes down to the fact that if you keep to a fixed but supported subset of hardware, Linux is as easy (or with a modular kernel easier) to get hardware working as it is under Windows.
You just need to spend a little more time researching what hardware works well first...
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
But under the installation requirements they indicate a PDF reader is needed... seems like if I had to have a PDF reader to install it in the first place, I've probably already got a solution for "dealing" with those pesky PDF documents.
First, I can't believe they've never heard of Bit Torrent. They're actively asking for mirrors because they are overloaded. -sigh-
Second, why all the irrationality on here? This -does- serve a purpose for some people. I prefer Quanta Plus as my web IDE and as far as I know, there isn't a version that runs on windows yet. I'm hoping someone will make it run on KDE4-Win soon and save me the hassle of something like this.
But even once I get that, there are other apps that I'll want to be able to run (or test!) in Linux, even if I'm actually in Windows at the time.
I just bought a tablet PC and as much as I love Kubuntu, tablets and tablet PCs do not run well with Linux. I'm not going to sacrifice functionality that I already have just to run Linux, but I would prefer that 'free' (as in speech) software run on it as well. Lemme say that again more clearly: I should be free to run it on any operating system I choose.
This helps support that freedom, and I like it.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
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Running with Linux for over 20 years!
You may like Texmaker. It's developed by the guy who originally wrote Kile, but doesn't depend on KDE so runs on anything. I switched because I wanted to use the same editor under Win and Linux, but actually prefer it now.
Am I the only one having trouble getting this to work in WinE?
There is virtualization of 3D hardware in the current beta for VMWare Workstation 6.5.
Here's the rule: a lot of words that end with "-us" (not all of them! more on that in a moment) are borrowed from Latin. In that language, a noun ending with "-us" is a singluar form (dominus, lord; servus, slave) that takes a plural form ending in "-i" (domini, lords; servi, slaves). In theory, it's more "correct" to use foreign inflections with foreign words. So instead of "octopuses", "styluses", and "circuses", people say "octopi", "styli", and "circi".
No, wait, nobody says "circi", do they? It's the "correct" usage, because it's a Latin word, but the established usage is "circuses".
The other examples I gave are commonly used, but are in no sense "correct". "Octopus" does not come from Latin: it's a Greek word, and the Greek plural is "octopods". "Stylus" is Latin, but it's misspelled Latin: the Romans spelled it "stilus". It got changed to "stylus" because somebody thought it was somehow derived from the Greek word "stylos". But it's not, so the "correct" way to refer to that thing that comes with your PDA is "stilus" and "stili".
But to heck with being "correct". It's the tar baby of the literate. Just use the rules you learned in grade school and be done with it. So, it's incorrect, but since "circi" sounds odd, we should continue to say "circuses", but Linuces is wrong, and if we add an "s" to the suffices, of wait, that's not plural, or is it plurii, and . . . but, hold on a sec . . . shouldn't it be Linux's'es', . . . um, now I'm confused.
Or are you just breaking my balls?
Pretty funny, Humorless Language Nazi.
Basically, what you are saying is: Here are the rules, well, sort of, but don't follow them anyway, because they're too confusing and you're too stupid, and I'll still criticize you for being incorrect anyway, so just keep doing it the way you're doing it, you illiterate piece of shit.
Now, fuck off and learn to take a joke, you asshole.
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/boxen.html
Lurk more.
Hello, my NGO in China would like to purchase tickets for the Ulteo application balls. We would also like to have the following information: 1) Will the dress be formal? 2) We have been told the events in Huan Hung Lo have been cancelled due to the earthquakes, is this correct? 3) What are the ticket prices for groups of 50 or more? 4) Where/how may the tickets be purchased? Thanks in advance!
I know that this is a beta, but the damn thing uses up 97% of my CPU. If this is supposed to be a way to use Windows apps and Linux apps in the same environment, it doesn't work when the VM pegs the CPU near 100%.
Read more.
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I used to work on Phat Linux years ago and I have to say this is different.
Phat used a loop back file, that is its whole filesystem was contained
in a Windows file. But one still had to reboot to swtich between Windows
and Linux.
Now I can run my Linux apps as slowly as my Windows apps!
Yay!!!
But no, never had any need to boot Windows ever again.
I don't feel like it...
Right on. So I should start referring to them as Linux boces. Awesome.
Menus: Linux=function, Windows=vendor, OS X=as little as possible. Makes a statement, don't you think?
Lately I have been using TeamViewer for Windows remote support. It is a lot easier for end users to configure. It even has a standalone executable and can start as a service. Sometimes I have to work on machines remotely from Vista, so it's a no-brainer. It is faster than the online linux desktop offered by Ulteo, but that's not saying much - as always, VNC-type things are slow as hell.
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I am only stating the obvious. Most people on this site already know the obvious but ignore it because it hurts their ego. They try to sell people on Linux and WINE and ignore that it is a pain in the ass to get Worlds of Warcraft to work for the average person, who feels it is too much work and go back to using Windows. Sure it can work, but at what cost? Most people are too busy with family life and working a full time job to spend the extra hours it takes to read a WINE Howto, but the average Slashdot reader is either unemployed or is not married, and has the extra time to kill in order to get Worlds of Warcraft or (Insert Software Name Here) working in WINE under Linux. Not like most here have a social life at all, much less a job, due to the fact that their ego is so huge they look like a jerk to normal people.
It is not a problem with enlightenment, it is more of a problem of evolution and social skills, the average Slashdot reader cannot help it as he/she was born that way. They even ignore that being a jerk and telling a normal person to RTFA or RTFM is actually going to help them, instead of hurt them emotionally and psychologically. Some of us actually have read or taken a class in Software Psychology, but obviously the average Slashdot readers and Linux and WINE coders have not.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
It just figures that Wikipedia does not have an entry on it. Most colleges don't teach it any more, or even how to write standard code and debug programs anymore. It is starting to become arcane knowledge and a dead skill like Latin, DOS/VSE JCL, or PL/1.
Software Psychology is very important and Apple does it much better than Microsoft does it. Linux and Unix in general do not even try to follow Software Psychology and just are written for computer geeks with commands like "kill" that go against what Software Psychology teaches.
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Again, I can't take seriously anyone who thinks it is actually called Worlds of Warcraft.
You're an idiot, go away now.
How we know is more important than what we know.
But:
ox -> oxen
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ox
phatlinux isn't the same thing at all. Ulteo and andLinux let me run Windows and Linux at the same time.
phatlinux is just an installer. If you want to use Linux, you still need to reboot.
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