Farmers (ranchers) are allowed to have guns here, as is anyone who has a reasonable need for one, such as security guards, vets etc. There is no need to remove the sort of basic working weapons at all. We have a limit of I believe 5 shot mags for semi auto guns even for those exceptions though.
Sport shooting still continues here too, in fact we have won a few olympic golds in recent years.
I am in Australia, so we have plenty of wild country here too, and some of our farms are incredibly large, even by your standards.
We do not have many large predators here, so protection is not an issue. The ppint you made about this makes a lot more sense than any other point that has been put forward to me.
I wonder though which animals are the problem, Bears perhaps?
Thanks for your reasoned responses, you have made the situation clearer. Mostly the responses I get are irrational when I discuss this issue with Americans.
I will try and not be so abusive of the gun fanatics in future!
I dont feel any restriction to my liberties in not owning a gun. Neither do I know anyone who feels that way.
Your argument that a gun is simply a tool is totally fallacious. The other items mentioned have other purposes than kill or injure, and that is the major difference.
You say you trust your neighbour with a gun, fine. But what about when he is drunk, or angry from fighting with his wife, lost his job or has been bullied at school and snaps? He then has the abitlity to kill many people that would not be the case if there were no gun available.
As I understand it most of the weapons problem in Mexico is a result of arms being legally purchased in the US and smuggled into Mexico. Yo are simply exporting your own gun problems.
The above is why I am dubious to say the least of the claim that assault weapons are unobtainable. The mass killers always seem to be well armed.
From my reading so far all of the major mass murders in the US involve the use of legal guns.
As your society is swimming in guns, it is probably too late to have a sensible gun control policy. You have my sympathies. I consider myself very fortunate to live in a society that is largely free of guns.
The fact is that in a lot of countries we get along just fine without guns in the general populace, and so could you.
Weirdly logical, except I wonder how all the people who do not have guns manage to survive without them?
Surely, if criminals obtain their guns illegally, most of them would come from stealing legal guns from their owners, therefore less legal guns would eventually result in less guns for criminals.
I would have thought that one of the main advantages of not having guns in society in general is that the sight of a gun is unusual, and therefore promptly reported to police, and rapidly removed.
By the way whilst shooting, I did something I believe was called an FBI course ( as in targets at varying distances some not meant to be shot) (It was along time ago) I found even distant targets very easy to hit, needing only a small allowance for drop/wind with greater distance. I suppose I could be naturally a good shot I guess. I was mostly shooting a Ruger.357 magnum.
We even made our own bullets from lead cable sheath, we must have fired thousands of rounds. I was at a country posting where there was literally nothing else to do and my workmates were into shooting.
Contrary to your assumption, I have fired a various guns gun at the range on many occasions-is it so hard for you to believe someone could have fired guns and not have the fascination you do with them?
Right from the first shots, I found shooting accurately very easy, I dont undersand how it could be otherwise, unless one is phisically defective. I found shooting boring very quickly.
I did not mean I had never seen a gun in someones home-I have, just not in public. Guns are not totally banned here, they are just rarely if ever seen in public.
If Mexico enforced their laws they wouldnt have a problem, so I dont see your point there.
I would hate to live in a violent society like yours where you claim you need to own a gun to protect against burglars. I guess you dont understand the concept of an arms race.
Your claims about knife crime are just plain silly, the US has the highest murder rate in the world regardless of your the false "protection" you seems to feel guns give.
I dont see why you feel armed police are a problem requiring you to have a gun, unless you have an intent to commit a crime. You elect your Police bosses dont you?
Your claim that an unarmed person is a subject is laughable, I am a citizen regardless of whether I carry a gun. You should not expect everyone to share your paranoia.
You have my sympathy for the dangerous life you must lead over there if hte need to be armed is so great.
I just dont understand this paticularly American love of gun ownership. In my country, all the auto and semi auto guns were removed from society years ago.
I have not see any downside to this. Why are you so devoted to having weapons when it is obvious that you would never really use them to overthrow your government?
I have never seen a gun in the possesion of anyone other than the police, or at a shooting range. I have never needed a gun for self defence either.
Since the guns were removed there has not been one mass shooting here.
One line seems to be that if guns are banned only criminals would have guns, but it simply does not make sense, lees guns in general means less guns available to criminals, our experience is certainly that is the case.
Can anyone explain this strange (To me) love of weapons?
That's why I always drive under IFR, eyes glued to the speedometer and not on the roadway;) -- Going by the way road rules are enforced that is eaxctly what the autorities want you to do.
BZZZZt! Wrong. Those landings were done by experienced Glider pilots(and both were gliding instructors). In the case of the Gimli glider the pilot had to sideslip hard to get down safely. I doubt a non glider pilot would have done as well. Good luck in the same scenario if the pilot is a non glider trained person.
"Actually, parachutes require a lot of training to use properly."
Quite so but many sailplane pilots have jumped and survived their jump without any training at all. Most people can understand "Pull hard on this D ring", and try to land into wind.
Some of my friends are parachutists, albeit reluctantl ones.
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Farmers (ranchers) are allowed to have guns here, as is anyone who has a reasonable need for one, such as security guards, vets etc. There is no need to remove the sort of basic working weapons at all. We have a limit of I believe 5 shot mags for semi auto guns even for those exceptions though.
Sport shooting still continues here too, in fact we have won a few olympic golds in recent years.
I am in Australia, so we have plenty of wild country here too, and some of our farms are incredibly large, even by your standards.
We do not have many large predators here, so protection is not an issue. The ppint you made about this makes a lot more sense than any other point that has been put forward to me.
I wonder though which animals are the problem, Bears perhaps?
Thanks for your reasoned responses, you have made the situation clearer. Mostly the responses I get are irrational when I discuss this issue with Americans.
I will try and not be so abusive of the gun fanatics in future!
I dont feel any restriction to my liberties in not owning a gun. Neither do I know anyone who feels that way.
Your argument that a gun is simply a tool is totally fallacious. The other items mentioned have other purposes than kill or injure, and that is the major difference.
You say you trust your neighbour with a gun, fine. But what about when he is drunk, or angry from fighting with his wife, lost his job or has been bullied at school and snaps? He then has the abitlity to kill many people that would not be the case if there were no gun available.
As I understand it most of the weapons problem in Mexico is a result of arms being legally purchased in the US and smuggled into Mexico. Yo are simply exporting your own gun problems.
The above is why I am dubious to say the least of the claim that assault weapons are unobtainable. The mass killers always seem to be well armed.
From my reading so far all of the major mass murders in the US involve the use of legal guns.
As your society is swimming in guns, it is probably too late to have a sensible gun control policy. You have my sympathies. I consider myself very fortunate to live in a society that is largely free of guns.
The fact is that in a lot of countries we get along just fine without guns in the general populace, and so could you.
Yeah, yeah, we can see how little gun violence takes place in the US with its armed populace quite clearly thanks. Are you delusional or just stupid?
Abso fuckin lutely spot on. I was already thinking about that particualr show. It really shows the scenario perfectly>
Love the term salami tactics.
Respect is earned not given. These police obviously deserve no respect by their own actions.
You are an idiot of the highest order.
Thanks for the explanantions.
Weirdly logical, except I wonder how all the people who do not have guns manage to survive
without them?
Surely, if criminals obtain their guns illegally, most of them would come from stealing legal guns from their owners, therefore less legal guns would eventually result in less guns for criminals.
I would have thought that one of the main advantages of not having guns in society in general is that the sight of a gun is unusual, and therefore promptly reported to police,
and rapidly removed.
By the way whilst shooting, I did something I believe was called an FBI course ( as in targets at varying distances some not meant to be shot) (It was along time ago) I found even distant targets very easy to hit, needing only a small allowance for drop/wind with greater distance. I suppose I could be naturally a good shot I guess. .357 magnum.
I was mostly shooting a Ruger
We even made our own bullets from lead cable sheath, we must have fired thousands of rounds. I was at a country posting where there was literally nothing else to do and my workmates were into shooting.
Maybe I should go for the Olympics.
Contrary to your assumption, I have fired a various guns gun at the range on many occasions-is it so hard for you to believe someone could have fired guns and not have the fascination you do with them?
Right from the first shots, I found shooting accurately very easy, I dont undersand how it could be otherwise, unless one is phisically defective. I found shooting boring very quickly.
I did not mean I had never seen a gun in someones home-I have, just not in public. Guns are not totally banned here, they are just rarely if ever seen in public.
If Mexico enforced their laws they wouldnt have a problem, so I dont see your point there.
I would hate to live in a violent society like yours where you claim you need to own a gun to protect against burglars. I guess you dont understand the concept of an arms race.
Your claims about knife crime are just plain silly, the US has the highest murder rate in the world regardless of your the false "protection" you seems to feel guns give.
I dont see why you feel armed police are a problem requiring you to have a gun, unless you have an intent to commit a crime. You elect your Police bosses dont you?
Your claim that an unarmed person is a subject is laughable, I am a citizen regardless of whether I carry a gun. You should not expect everyone to share your paranoia.
You have my sympathy for the dangerous life you must lead over there if hte need to be armed is so great.
I just dont understand this paticularly American love of gun ownership. In my country, all the auto and semi auto guns were removed from society years ago.
I have not see any downside to this. Why are you so devoted to having weapons when it is obvious that you would never really use them to overthrow your government?
I have never seen a gun in the possesion of anyone other than the police, or at a shooting range. I have never needed a gun for self defence either.
Since the guns were removed there has not been one mass shooting here.
One line seems to be that if guns are banned only criminals would have guns, but it simply does not make sense, lees guns in general means less guns available to criminals, our experience is certainly that is the case.
Can anyone explain this strange (To me) love of weapons?
Surely it is not really just overcompensation?
'My other laptop is a 17" Macbook'
So you are saying work the gay angle further eh? (-:
Ah the McGyver netbook eh?
Ah, the AC is spiting the dummy, I guess thats what you have to expect from someone with a mental age of 3.
If you had ANY courage to your convictions you would post logged in as I have done not as a pathetic coward.
Begone troll.
Ah yes the Graphic desingner, defined as someone who can use a Mac but cant read.
Their job (At a newspaper at least) is to remove any remaining useful content and replace it with a diagram
Frankly dickless we dont give a fuck what you think.
I regularly take brufen.
OTC is 200mg/tab, standard prescription is 400mg.
For a point to be refuted you would need to have one, and the facts to back it up.
As you have neither, only paranoid ranting you fail and have lost now go back to 4chan where you belong and leave the adults to rational debate.
MD diagnosed here too, FSH (Fascio/scapula/humeral) variety. Great advice Jaybird.
The thing I find hardest is adjusting to limitations, with no possibility of improvement.
This at least offers some hope of treatment and maybe less pain.
To have an argument one must be arguing against facts, not made up on the spot drivel from a frustrated, nasty small minded person.
You post is complete crap, an epic fail if I ever saw one!
Oh and if you were a man, you would not post as AC,
the coward part fits you well though.
I have another thought on the concept of making fines reflect the persons income.
Sentence them to a given number of hours of community service work, then everyone pays the same ammount of time.
But of course, this would not raise revenue for the authorities, so it will never happen.
Oh dear, I was not aware of that, where do I hand in my geek card?
That's why I always drive under IFR, eyes glued to the speedometer and not on the roadway ;)
--
Going by the way road rules are enforced that is eaxctly what the autorities want you to do.
Like the IFR reference to it though.
(Anyone heard of the vauxhall viva?)
Yeh I hvae been trying to froget they existed for the last 30 years!
Thanks a lot(-:
BZZZZt! Wrong. Those landings were done by experienced Glider pilots(and both were gliding instructors). In the case of the Gimli glider the pilot had to sideslip hard to get down safely. I doubt a non glider pilot would have done as well. Good luck in the same scenario if the pilot is a non glider trained person.
"Actually, parachutes require a lot of training to use properly."
Quite so but many sailplane pilots have jumped and survived their jump without any training at all. Most people can understand "Pull hard on this D ring", and try to land into wind.
Some of my friends are parachutists, albeit reluctantl ones.
There is an old saying in Aviation regarding twin engined aircraft. "The second engine just gets you to the crash faster".
Or to put it another way, believes in imaginary friends.