We can, but perfecting the process with pigs will not fully prepare us for experimentation with humans. Eventually, we would have "to "grow" a human to see how it turns out", as CannonballHead noted.
No seriously. What about it? It is there and it is real. This isn't a conspiracy theory. Why isn't that in the Bible?
I'll direct you to Wikipedia for this one, but basically they have shortcomings. Things like questionable authorship and usefulness (i.e. there isn't a New Testament equivalent of Psalms), etc.
Why are the dead sea scrolls different from what we have today?
[citation needed]
And why does the Orthodox and Western Bibles differ slightly since the schism?
Differing opinion of what is and is not Apocrypha, I presume. Even Catholicism and Protestantism disagree.
Secondly what remains of other religions of the time that we still have records of? Like Druidism which the Romans persecuted as much as the Christians. Of course they weren't destroyed on purpose, it is just that 2,000 has a toll on ancient documents (including fires of libraries) and that most people at the time didn't have a need to keep documents that weren't deemed official by the Church.
Of other religions, I don't know. But here are some numbers from The Case for Christ regarding other important historical works.
Manuscripts of Tacticus' Annals of Imperial Rome, books 1-6: 1, from a copy made 734 years after the original.
Manuscripts of Josephus' The Jewish War: 10 or 11
Manuscripts of Homer's Illiad: 650
Biblical manuscripts written in Greek: 5,664
Non-greek biblical manuscripts: 24,000
Most people couldn't read bad then so they didn't know... The few people who could read and write started copying the official versions when they came out in 400AD and from there the old copies were simply lost because of time problems.
Notall. In fact, I'll deposit you here. Sort the list by date. I'd estimate at least 3/5ths of that list is pre-400 AD.
Not to mention that for Europeans owning any non-approved paper work in the 1500 to 1600s were put to the stake so if they had any ancient heretical texts they most likely burned them at that time as well. Every now and then we find something like the dead seas scrolls and we find out differences.
It isn't a conspiracy, but Europe in general was a great place to store non-official religious texts long term for 2,000 years.
For the Catholic Church, which is not synonymous with Christianity. In fact, my family is under the impression that Catholics do not consider themselves Christian, but Catholic.
Buddha is a decent example because he started his particular religion. Osama, on the other hand, was not involved in starting Islam. Muhammad would be the person you would want to examine: was there any financial rewards for him?
If he was destitute, wracked with a chronic ailment, and frequently whipped and beaten for his preaching, you might be able to start comparing him to Paul.
Similarly, Paul wrote his letters and later the apostles wrote their Gospel According to...s.
or how did he reference the gospels in his writings if they had not yet been written?
How do you know it wasn't the gospels referencing Paul? In fact, I would appreciate citations proving even that. Though I would not be surprised if Luke does this a lot in Acts and his own gospel, because he was Paul's companion and physician.
I think the problem you are having in this little subthread of yours is that you are not making it clear that you are referring to the disciples as the ones that would have known whether this was a practical joke or not, so everyone else is pointing out people that had no direct contact with Jesus.
Well, the debate between if the commandment is "Thou shall not kill" or "Thou shall not murder" is a pretty major discrepancy to me. Here, one word makes a huge impact on the actual message. Is killing always wrong, or is it ok in self defense? Contrary to what you think, a simple typo CAN change the message. We'd need other copies around the same age to really compare, since later copies may have all "standardized" on the same message, even though that chosen standard is not what the older texts said.
It helps to use more than a single verse. The rest of the OT seems pretty clear it means murder. Like this example from one chapter later:
"Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.
//spacer line to separate the bible quote from your quote next quote for clarity
So, how exactly DO you decide if the books in question are the word of god or not? You can say they are studied all you want, but if the religion doesn't accept them as word of god, then it calls into question just how they decide what is or isn't the word of god. That doesn't sound like god then, it sounds like man making the story he wants to control others.
If it has things like: "And then Jesus and all the disciples had a big orgy.", you might want to compare with other works before accepting it as canon.
And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; and He took it and ate it before them.
I'll bet the other synoptic gospels have similar accounts;-)
I think you mean the "the other synoptic gospel has". Matthew, Mark, and Luke are called the Synoptics because of their similarity (John has a literary uniqueness to it that makes it distinct from the Synoptics).
The only thing I've never figured out how to do is rewind. I have to settle for clicking on the bar or using Shift/Ctrl/Alt + Left Arrow. More advanced functions such as fullscreen, alternate audio tracks and subtitles are usually unnecessary but are in the menus if you need them (or 'f', 'b', and 'v', respectively).
This office is full of people who don't know what they're doing, they just click the little yellow shield and install whatever updates are allowed to come down to it.
You lie. No $GENERIC_SLIGHTLY_DEROGATORY_TERM_REFERRING_TO_TECHNICALLY_ILLITERATE_USERS has ever pain any attention to a warning or notification that carries even the slightest bit of importance. It's the useless drivel that freezes them like deer in the headlights.
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I want the civilization-ending meteor strike to be a surprise!
Stone age tribesman? Take a look at the questions they're asking...
I am. I'm seeing the same thing AC is seeing.
Or the IQ tests are about as accurate as a BMI.
Or here.
Try reading to paragraphs further.
I'm sure you have more bicycles in Venice than automobiles.
I spend a lot of time ignoring the GPS's instructions. "Make a left here onto the most congested street in the city"
Maybe it's the most congested street partly because you're the only one that does ignore it in that way.
We can, but perfecting the process with pigs will not fully prepare us for experimentation with humans. Eventually, we would have "to "grow" a human to see how it turns out", as CannonballHead noted.
And why could this not be tested on animals first?
Experimenting on the genome is worlds different than testing pharmaceuticals and consumer products on animals.
No. You would need to breed out every mismatched set of genes she has before the offspring would start bearing clones of themselves.
I hope FF gets 99% of the market soon...
I don't. I don't want any browser getting so much marketshare that it can dictate standards the way IE has.
Um... What about the Apocrypha
No seriously. What about it? It is there and it is real. This isn't a conspiracy theory. Why isn't that in the Bible?
I'll direct you to Wikipedia for this one, but basically they have shortcomings. Things like questionable authorship and usefulness (i.e. there isn't a New Testament equivalent of Psalms), etc.
Why are the dead sea scrolls different from what we have today?
[citation needed]
And why does the Orthodox and Western Bibles differ slightly since the schism?
Differing opinion of what is and is not Apocrypha, I presume. Even Catholicism and Protestantism disagree.
Secondly what remains of other religions of the time that we still have records of? Like Druidism which the Romans persecuted as much as the Christians. Of course they weren't destroyed on purpose, it is just that 2,000 has a toll on ancient documents (including fires of libraries) and that most people at the time didn't have a need to keep documents that weren't deemed official by the Church.
Of other religions, I don't know. But here are some numbers from The Case for Christ regarding other important historical works.
Most people couldn't read bad then so they didn't know... The few people who could read and write started copying the official versions when they came out in 400AD and from there the old copies were simply lost because of time problems.
Not all. In fact, I'll deposit you here. Sort the list by date. I'd estimate at least 3/5ths of that list is pre-400 AD.
Not to mention that for Europeans owning any non-approved paper work in the 1500 to 1600s were put to the stake so if they had any ancient heretical texts they most likely burned them at that time as well. Every now and then we find something like the dead seas scrolls and we find out differences.
It isn't a conspiracy, but Europe in general was a great place to store non-official religious texts long term for 2,000 years.
I'll leave this part alone.
Yes, but so what? it's a requirement now.
For the Catholic Church, which is not synonymous with Christianity. In fact, my family is under the impression that Catholics do not consider themselves Christian, but Catholic.
Buddha is a decent example because he started his particular religion. Osama, on the other hand, was not involved in starting Islam. Muhammad would be the person you would want to examine: was there any financial rewards for him?
If he was destitute, wracked with a chronic ailment, and frequently whipped and beaten for his preaching, you might be able to start comparing him to Paul.
I see - so how then did he preach Jesus to the world before Jesus was born?
How did Tolken write about hobbits before hobbits existed in Middle-Earth? Oh, wait. He didn't. The Hobbit was written long before the Silmarillion.
Or C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia .
Similarly, Paul wrote his letters and later the apostles wrote their Gospel According to...s.
or how did he reference the gospels in his writings if they had not yet been written?
How do you know it wasn't the gospels referencing Paul? In fact, I would appreciate citations proving even that. Though I would not be surprised if Luke does this a lot in Acts and his own gospel, because he was Paul's companion and physician.
I think the problem you are having in this little subthread of yours is that you are not making it clear that you are referring to the disciples as the ones that would have known whether this was a practical joke or not, so everyone else is pointing out people that had no direct contact with Jesus.
Trolls and hypocrites exist in every decent-sized group, religious or otherwise.
Well, the debate between if the commandment is "Thou shall not kill" or "Thou shall not murder" is a pretty major discrepancy to me. Here, one word makes a huge impact on the actual message. Is killing always wrong, or is it ok in self defense? Contrary to what you think, a simple typo CAN change the message. We'd need other copies around the same age to really compare, since later copies may have all "standardized" on the same message, even though that chosen standard is not what the older texts said.
It helps to use more than a single verse. The rest of the OT seems pretty clear it means murder. Like this example from one chapter later:
"Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.
//spacer line to separate the bible quote from your quote next quote for clarity
So, how exactly DO you decide if the books in question are the word of god or not? You can say they are studied all you want, but if the religion doesn't accept them as word of god, then it calls into question just how they decide what is or isn't the word of god. That doesn't sound like god then, it sounds like man making the story he wants to control others.
If it has things like: "And then Jesus and all the disciples had a big orgy.", you might want to compare with other works before accepting it as canon.
Risen is not materialized in flesh.
Luke 24:38-43
And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; and He took it and ate it before them.
I'll bet the other synoptic gospels have similar accounts ;-)
I think you mean the "the other synoptic gospel has". Matthew, Mark, and Luke are called the Synoptics because of their similarity (John has a literary uniqueness to it that makes it distinct from the Synoptics).
The announcement came out sounding much like "Let there be light.". Hence the Big Bang ;).
No, silly. You need to cool it down to 1.4 kilograms. How ones does that, though, I have no idea.
The only thing I've never figured out how to do is rewind. I have to settle for clicking on the bar or using Shift/Ctrl/Alt + Left Arrow. More advanced functions such as fullscreen, alternate audio tracks and subtitles are usually unnecessary but are in the menus if you need them (or 'f', 'b', and 'v', respectively).
This office is full of people who don't know what they're doing, they just click the little yellow shield and install whatever updates are allowed to come down to it.
You lie. No $GENERIC_SLIGHTLY_DEROGATORY_TERM_REFERRING_TO_TECHNICALLY_ILLITERATE_USERS has ever pain any attention to a warning or notification that carries even the slightest bit of importance. It's the useless drivel that freezes them like deer in the headlights.