Hey, everyone else made some pretty good points (except the guy who thinks I'm an idiot because I didn't spell dollar right), but this is a little strange:
the space program is probably one of the MOST important items in the national budget.
Do you honestly believe that? National defence isn't the most important? Public safety doesn't rank up there? I mean, come on.
i still believe in the space program, I just don't like seeing stupid mistakes destroying missions (ie. metric/us conversions)
You know, when you look at past missions and the inferior equipment they used to have to work with, this is really sad. Now they've got technology that would have made the Apollo teams drool, but they cannot use it at all. Between this and the hubble, I'm not sure I'm getting my value out of these tax dollers.
Sure, open source can get bug fixes out there faster... but its not like for most open source projects anyone is going out and regression testing the fixes against anything to make sure nothing else is broken by the fix, etc...
Can you give me an example of this happening? I'm not sure what you are talking about.
there seems to be a rather vocal fundamentalist open source community here on/.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's funny, you get the same kind of thing on Freshmeat.net, with all these open source programs for download. Strange stuff.
These people generally cite certain prime examples to support their arguments.
And we all know THAT is a really dumb way to support arguements. Better to just yell and scream.
Although Linux is a stable and it's security holes are filled quickly,
This seems to be in direct contention with your subject.
I don't think that there are any hugely successful pieces of open source software
This one is way too easy. I'm starting to think this whole post is sarcastic and you actually support linux. Either way, find a more popular web server than Apache (suprise, open source). Seems PERL is pretty open, as is sendmail. I'm not sure what you mean by a monopoly when refering to the latter.
I don't work for free, I have to pay bills. Infact, I'm quite happy to be paid a lot of money for what I do.
Hey, we are all happy for you, now when are you going to get to the part about "Open Source doesn't always == faster bug fixes", or was this just a clever way to repeat the tired "open source cannot make money" monologue?
You can also download the source and compile it with a different interface (GTK, QT, and Lestiff are all there).
And I've compiled EVERY milestone (that would compile on my machine) with every possible plugin. My point is, they really don't seem interested in making it that fast. I see lots of interface and code that says they are more interested in fearures than speed, and that is fine. All that means is that a open source project will spring up to create a "streamlined" version that just browses the web, and does it fast.
Dammit I know! I'm waiting for (1) Prices to come down. $1/meg would be nice, it's actually just above that on krex.com now, and (2) for me to get some actual spending money. Mainframe Operator at PSU doesn't pay the same as CEO of AOL/TW:)
Care to contribute to finkployd's "128, here I come" fund?
Well, according to your logic, all we need to do is bump the version to 7 to get back in the game right?...please.
Look, nothing is EVER over. IBM used to be the last word in computers right? The won and it was all over right? Unless you are really new to this whole computer thing, you should realize that NOBODY reigns forever. Something better always comes along and takes over. This works in favor of Mozilla, because it can improve at a much faster rate than IE can. Look at Linux, it has come a long way in a short time, whereas Windows has added some spiffy graphics, but they haven't innovated in years. The open source model will win out in the end simply because the alternatives cannot keep up. So yes, IE is the number one browser for now. History shows that things will always change. Perhaps Opera will beat them both?
I'm looking forward to this -- from what I understand, Mozilla will be far snappier than Netscape is, particularly on older machines with limited RAM.
Try it out and see if you find that to be the case. On my P200 32MB it runs about twice as SLOW as netscape 4.7, and I have little hope that will change. Little hope, that is, until some of us get our hands on the final release code, and make it much faster and smaller. That is the beauty of open source:)
I'm running a P3 500 with 256 megs of RAM. It doesn't run *that* slow
I'm running a P 200 with 32 MB and yes it does run that slow:) Compared to other browsers (Netscape 4.x, opera) in linux and the ones I had when this used to be a Windows machine, Mozilla is the slowest by far. That needs to be fixed, but I have little to no hope for that. I imagine it will be a spinoff project that slims it down and speeds it up.
Exactally, makes it tough to have a linux user group or club on campus when we may have to loose all our links on our web site. The problam is, the university would never have imposed these restrictions without the "encouragment" of our current corporate doners. Therefore, in a sense the doners now "own" the university. If nothing else, they have substancial power here. That is not the way a place of higher learning and research should operate. You're right it's bad form, that is what I was talking about to begin with.
I hate to burst your bubble, but Microsoft doesn't own any colleges.
Oddly enough, I'm actually aware of that. Perhaps owned should have been in quotes. Than you may have understood that it's wasn't literal.
Do you hate them so much that you will believe anything negative someone says about them?
No, I simply attend classes at and work as a staff member (computer related) at a University which recently signed a deal with Microsoft. But of course, you understand the issues more than I, so I digress.
As for your other comments about other companies. Pepsi has an agreement with PSU as well, and it's gennerally hated because you CANNOT get coke or coke products on campus. Microsoft has made it known that they would like their software to run our server and labs. Only the fact that it CANNOT handle the load of this university prevented it (and the outrage expressed by the IT dept and students)
The universities needed new network infrastructures.
After beta testing win2k, it looks like we are moving even more over to *nix based solutions. The deal was they gave out pseudo-free software to students. Combined with the buggy nature of it (office 2k) and the obscene restrictions, we would have been better off without.
But what if a university did decide on Redhat?
Perhaps they will, but not because Redhat gives them CDs, then begins preasuring them to. Personally, I'd prefer that universities let each department decide to use the technology that works best for them. I don't believe a college should accept money (with strings attached) from any company.
Lastly, there is a new PSU policy that appeares to regulate links to external site from within PSU sites. Basically, if you are linking to a competitor of one of our "doners" you site can be shut down. Sound like a good thing to you?
but this will probably just encourage schools to grow their own Linux gurus.
Only to be "reprogrammed" by a Microsoft owned college:)
Seriously, this is great news. I wonder how many years it will be before this happens in the US. Then when we have a school shooting, we can tune into the news to find that Linux caused the rampage. ("The shooter became enraged when the popular site, slashdot, didn't conform to their idea of what it should be. Netscape crashing in X just fueled the fire")
No, it doesn't have the phrase "my name is kid rock" in it. You can always tell the really intelligent lyric writer by their compulsion to announce who they are in every song.
Living is easy with eyes closed Misunderstanding all you see. It's getting to be someone. But it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me. -- The Beatles
I'm pretty sure the line is "It's getting HARD to be someone", but maybe I'm wrong. Great tune either way.
Most if not all ICQ clients out there are standalone. A portable alternative is micq.
Actually, the best (IMHO) icq client, LICQ, has the ideal type of interface. in order to run it, you need to compile and run a plugin. There is the standard qt-gui, but also they have a consol and working on a gtk gui. This is the type of coding we should be emulating.
Seems like the good publicity linux has been getting with stories like this is just not going to end. Everytime I turn around, there is another positive story involving linux and some new hardware.
And boy, would I like a beowulf clus....nevermind, too easy.
That's a good point, problems are created constantly to justify spending, the war on drugs being one of the more insane ones.
I sort of agree with your last paragraph, but on the other hand, I see the need for a radical right wing to balance out the radical left wing. As long as there are two opposite fractions at battle, neither will get a chance to impose their views on all of us.
Also, while they are argueing over legislating morality or any other pointless concept, they have less time to do come up with more ways to confiscate and spend my money. I'd rather they keep busy with pointless stuff (actually like the Monica thing) than consentrate on fleecing us all some more.
There are probably plenty of misspellings here, but I've been at work for over 12 hours now, so please accept them as the result of staring at a mainframe all day:)
That has to be the most intelligent, insightful, and thought provoking response to a dumb, pointless comment I've ever seen:) You really should have posted that as a new thread.
Anyway, good points. I've seen this happening too with a wide range of issues. I usually look at it as a cause and effect problem. It seems politicians want you to believe that there is exactally one cause and one effect for any issue that always go together (ie. more federal money == better schools, lax gun laws == crime problem, illicite, presidential blow jobs == economy, you get the idea). The concept of "variables" seems completly lost on these people.
"The vice president supports finding a solution to these issues that allows the Internet and e-commerce to flourish without stripping states and localities of their ability to educate children and fight crime,"
Now there is a trade off. Do we allow e-commerce? Or do we allow state to educate kids and fight crime. Choose carefully, we can only pick one:)
I'm normally opposite Gore on his views, but I almost want to see him win just for four more years of intelligent comments like this one. I'm so disgusted with US politics, I just try to get entertainment out if it anymore.
Where is is written that to be a vice president, you have to be a complete moron? Beteen Gore and Danny boy, we have had 12 years of some of the most off the wall comments come from that department.
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Hey, everyone else made some pretty good points (except the guy who thinks I'm an idiot because I didn't spell dollar right), but this is a little strange:
the space program is probably one of the MOST important items in the national budget.
Do you honestly believe that? National defence isn't the most important? Public safety doesn't rank up there? I mean, come on.
i still believe in the space program, I just don't like seeing stupid mistakes destroying missions (ie. metric/us conversions)
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
You know, when you look at past missions and the inferior equipment they used to have to work with, this is really sad. Now they've got technology that would have made the Apollo teams drool, but they cannot use it at all. Between this and the hubble, I'm not sure I'm getting my value out of these tax dollers.
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
Sure, open source can get bug fixes out there faster... but its not like for most open source projects anyone is going out and regression testing the fixes against anything to make sure nothing else is broken by the fix, etc...
Can you give me an example of this happening? I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Speak friend and enter
Mellon
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
there seems to be a rather vocal fundamentalist open source community here on /.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's funny, you get the same kind of thing on Freshmeat.net, with all these open source programs for download. Strange stuff.
These people generally cite certain prime examples to support their arguments.
And we all know THAT is a really dumb way to support arguements. Better to just yell and scream.
Although Linux is a stable and it's security holes are filled quickly,
This seems to be in direct contention with your subject.
I don't think that there are any hugely successful pieces of open source software
This one is way too easy. I'm starting to think this whole post is sarcastic and you actually support linux. Either way, find a more popular web server than Apache (suprise, open source). Seems PERL is pretty open, as is sendmail. I'm not sure what you mean by a monopoly when refering to the latter.
I don't work for free, I have to pay bills. Infact, I'm quite happy to be paid a lot of money for what I do.
Hey, we are all happy for you, now when are you going to get to the part about "Open Source doesn't always == faster bug fixes", or was this just a clever way to repeat the tired "open source cannot make money" monologue?
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
You can also download the source and compile it with a different interface (GTK, QT, and Lestiff are all there).
And I've compiled EVERY milestone (that would compile on my machine) with every possible plugin.
My point is, they really don't seem interested in making it that fast. I see lots of interface and code that says they are more interested in fearures than speed, and that is fine. All that means is that a open source project will spring up to create a "streamlined" version that just browses the web, and does it fast.
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
Buy some extra memory, dork. 32MB is pitiful.
:)
Dammit I know! I'm waiting for (1) Prices to come down. $1/meg would be nice, it's actually just above that on krex.com now, and (2) for me to get some actual spending money. Mainframe Operator at PSU doesn't pay the same as CEO of AOL/TW
Care to contribute to finkployd's "128, here I come" fund?
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
Well, according to your logic, all we need to do is bump the version to 7 to get back in the game right?...please.
Look, nothing is EVER over. IBM used to be the last word in computers right? The won and it was all over right? Unless you are really new to this whole computer thing, you should realize that NOBODY reigns forever. Something better always comes along and takes over. This works in favor of Mozilla, because it can improve at a much faster rate than IE can. Look at Linux, it has come a long way in a short time, whereas Windows has added some spiffy graphics, but they haven't innovated in years. The open source model will win out in the end simply because the alternatives cannot keep up.
So yes, IE is the number one browser for now. History shows that things will always change. Perhaps Opera will beat them both?
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
I'm looking forward to this -- from what I understand, Mozilla will be far snappier than Netscape is, particularly on older machines with limited RAM.
:)
Try it out and see if you find that to be the case. On my P200 32MB it runs about twice as SLOW as netscape 4.7, and I have little hope that will change.
Little hope, that is, until some of us get our hands on the final release code, and make it much faster and smaller. That is the beauty of open source
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
I'm running a P3 500 with 256 megs of RAM. It doesn't run *that* slow
:)
I'm running a P 200 with 32 MB and yes it does run that slow
Compared to other browsers (Netscape 4.x, opera) in linux and the ones I had when this used to be a Windows machine, Mozilla is the slowest by far. That needs to be fixed, but I have little to no hope for that. I imagine it will be a spinoff project that slims it down and speeds it up.
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
Exactally, makes it tough to have a linux user group or club on campus when we may have to loose all our links on our web site. The problam is, the university would never have imposed these restrictions without the "encouragment" of our current corporate doners. Therefore, in a sense the doners now "own" the university. If nothing else, they have substancial power here. That is not the way a place of higher learning and research should operate. You're right it's bad form, that is what I was talking about to begin with.
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
I hate to burst your bubble, but Microsoft doesn't own any colleges.
Oddly enough, I'm actually aware of that. Perhaps owned should have been in quotes. Than you may have understood that it's wasn't literal.
Do you hate them so much that you will believe anything negative someone says about them?
No, I simply attend classes at and work as a staff member (computer related) at a University which recently signed a deal with Microsoft. But of course, you understand the issues more than I, so I digress.
As for your other comments about other companies. Pepsi has an agreement with PSU as well, and it's gennerally hated because you CANNOT get coke or coke products on campus. Microsoft has made it known that they would like their software to run our server and labs. Only the fact that it CANNOT handle the load of this university prevented it (and the outrage expressed by the IT dept and students)
The universities needed new network infrastructures.
After beta testing win2k, it looks like we are moving even more over to *nix based solutions. The deal was they gave out pseudo-free software to students. Combined with the buggy nature of it (office 2k) and the obscene restrictions, we would have been better off without.
But what if a university did decide on Redhat?
Perhaps they will, but not because Redhat gives them CDs, then begins preasuring them to. Personally, I'd prefer that universities let each department decide to use the technology that works best for them. I don't believe a college should accept money (with strings attached) from any company.
Lastly, there is a new PSU policy that appeares to regulate links to external site from within PSU sites. Basically, if you are linking to a competitor of one of our "doners" you site can be shut down. Sound like a good thing to you?
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
I feel sorry for all the people in California that have to go to a Microsoft owned college
Penn State has made the "deal with the devil" also, you screwed no matter what cost you are on.
Fink
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
but this will probably just encourage schools to grow their own Linux gurus.
:)
Only to be "reprogrammed" by a Microsoft owned college
Seriously, this is great news. I wonder how many years it will be before this happens in the US. Then when we have a school shooting, we can tune into the news to find that Linux caused the rampage. ("The shooter became enraged when the popular site, slashdot, didn't conform to their idea of what it should be. Netscape crashing in X just fueled the fire")
Finkployd
Bill Gates: "Innovation"
religion is simply a placebo for the weak minded.
You're right. We are all simply morons who resent the "enlightend" ones such as yourself.
Finkployd
-Just helping inflate what appears to be a damaged ego.
this looks like the lyrics to a kid rock song
No, it doesn't have the phrase "my name is kid rock" in it. You can always tell the really intelligent lyric writer by their compulsion to announce who they are in every song.
Finkployd
Ummmm...isn't the Linux kernel GPL'd also? Maybe this is the first machine to be completly composed of GNU software, but it doubt ALL of it is.
Finkployd
Living is easy with eyes closed Misunderstanding all you see. It's getting to be someone. But it all works out, It doesn't matter much to me. -- The Beatles
I'm pretty sure the line is "It's getting HARD to be someone", but maybe I'm wrong.
Great tune either way.
Finkployd
Troll or not, that is kind of funny.
Finkployd
BSDi is closed source.
Finkployd
These elegant bottles make great gifts, fantastic displays, and inferior mouse-traps.
I can't explain why, but I can't stop laughing at this.
Well, MY day has been made more surreal. Thank you ACME.
Finkployd
Most if not all ICQ clients out there are standalone. A portable alternative is micq.
Actually, the best (IMHO) icq client, LICQ, has the ideal type of interface. in order to run it, you need to compile and run a plugin. There is the standard qt-gui, but also they have a consol and working on a gtk gui. This is the type of coding we should be emulating.
Finkployd
Seems like the good publicity linux has been getting with stories like this is just not going to end. Everytime I turn around, there is another positive story involving linux and some new hardware.
And boy, would I like a beowulf clus....nevermind, too easy.
Finkployd
That's a good point, problems are created constantly to justify spending, the war on drugs being one of the more insane ones.
:)
I sort of agree with your last paragraph, but on the other hand, I see the need for a radical right wing to balance out the radical left wing. As long as there are two opposite fractions at battle, neither will get a chance to impose their views on all of us.
Also, while they are argueing over legislating morality or any other pointless concept, they have less time to do come up with more ways to confiscate and spend my money. I'd rather they keep busy with pointless stuff (actually like the Monica thing) than consentrate on fleecing us all some more.
There are probably plenty of misspellings here, but I've been at work for over 12 hours now, so please accept them as the result of staring at a mainframe all day
Finkployd
That has to be the most intelligent, insightful, and thought provoking response to a dumb, pointless comment I've ever seen :) You really should have posted that as a new thread.
Anyway, good points. I've seen this happening too with a wide range of issues. I usually look at it as a cause and effect problem. It seems politicians want you to believe that there is exactally one cause and one effect for any issue that always go together (ie. more federal money == better schools, lax gun laws == crime problem, illicite, presidential blow jobs == economy, you get the idea). The concept of "variables" seems completly lost on these people.
Finkployd
"The vice president supports finding a solution to these issues that allows the Internet and e-commerce to flourish without stripping states and localities of their ability to educate children and fight crime,"
:)
Now there is a trade off. Do we allow e-commerce? Or do we allow state to educate kids and fight crime. Choose carefully, we can only pick one
I'm normally opposite Gore on his views, but I almost want to see him win just for four more years of intelligent comments like this one. I'm so disgusted with US politics, I just try to get entertainment out if it anymore.
Where is is written that to be a vice president, you have to be a complete moron? Beteen Gore and Danny boy, we have had 12 years of some of the most off the wall comments come from that department.
Finkployd