Really? Funny, I could have sworn that was one of the questions asked of Rob and Jeff in the interview which this discussion is in response to. Funny that, huh?
Since you appearently don't have the time to read the interview, I assume you don't have time to read the comment I first responded to.
The origional poster used phrases like "give slashdot to the people" and suggested that Rob and Co. give the site up to be completly run by the people. I have nothing against story moderation (as you take offense to), I'm simply saying that the creators of the site should retain control over it. I'd be pretty pissed if people went to my webpage and demanded they have control over what I put on it.
Let me give you am example of what I am worried about. Let's assume that some MS Windows user group (there are MANY more Windows user than any other os) decided to take over slashdot. They come in and all submit and moderate Windows stories up and "poof" no more slashdot as we know it. Now it's ZDNet with less graphics. Sure it's far fetched, but why should the entire site be handed over everyone, what has everyone done to deserve the right to run the show around here.
If we want to have articals that are posted ranked by moderaters, that is fine. However I don't want to see the entire article process given away. I like the way it works now. Most others do to. It's just a vocal, greedy few who feel THEY should be running slashdot.
Moderation relates to comments posted IN RESPONSE to stories. Most moderation is used to either moderate down off topic posts, or moderate up insightfull posts as they relate to the story. However the stories posted are (rightfully) chosen by the owners of the site.
You weak attempt to classify me as an elitist does little to advance you position, as I consider myself one of the unwashed masses:) If I ran slashdot, it would have more stories about Pink Floyd, GNOME, Pole Vaulting, and the US's out of control government. I'll bet my view of a perfect slashdot isn't yours, just as your's isn't mine. This is all irrelvant anyway, since the people who put in all the time, effort and money still run it.
I come here because I like most of the same stuff they do, not because I have this ego trip where I feel slashdot must conform to my view. It seems too many people here feel like slashdot has some kind of obligation to cater to their wants.
My point is, Slashdot is whatever Rob wants it to be. Sure it's elitist, but he did all the work and made this place, if you don't like what's here, then leave. Make your on site. Go to usenet and experience real free speach. I for one do not want this to become usenet.
Dude, I don't get you... Rob and co. built this site up from nothing, put in all the work, all the money (at first), and are only lately recieivng the rewards of their work. So why on earth do you think it's it's time for them to "give it up"? How could that make sense?
If you give/. to the masses, it will ruin it. Are you aware how stupid the masses are? These are the people that make Jerry Springer a hit. If/. is given to everyone to run, it will quickly sink to the lowest common denominator, as people who have never had anything to do with it, will take over.
I have been reading/. for a very long time now, and I enjoy the way it is (as do most of us here, or we would not be here). I don't want joe blow to come in and say what he thinks should be posted, then it WILL change. If you think the public needs a discussion forum, then make one, but leave/. alone. I an many others like it. If you don't like it and the stories posted here, perhaps you shouldn't be here.
Read the FAQ, the list of problems this release has scared me off:) Slow, takes long to load pages, leaves ini files all over the place, no thanks. I guess it's a technology preview, but you would imagine they would still have major stuff like this worked out. oh well, this comment was posted with the viewer_gtk from mozilla m12. A little viewer that certinly kicks some serious butt, so I'm happy for the moment. Finkployd
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"While everyone is buying food and water to prepare for the end of civilization, I'm buying guns and ammo to take the food and water away from those who didn't quite grasp what the end of civilization meant" -Scott Adams of Dilbert fame
If he continues to ignore us, some of us may become inspired enough to do "slashdot" the right way.
This is my usual suggestion to people who bitch about slashdot. The MAJORITY of people here enjoy this site the way it is, sure there are some cosmetic improvements that could be made, but most of us are happy for the forum that is provided for us, free of charge. The owners of this site are right not to bow down to a vocal minority, especially when that vocal minority constantly floods the forum, posts rambling complaints without solutions, and sersonally attacks the owners and users of this site.
I'm not saying you are doing all of this, but this is the company you are being grouped in with. Unless the "slashdot reformers" learn to grow up, they will not effect change at all.
Perhaps you are right, but I hope you see that posting flames in every article is going to hurt slashdot while you are trying to help it. Simply toning down the rant and adding facts to back up your arguement will go a long way to help bring about intelligent discussion, if you must post in every story.
And your point is valid, however the offensive manner you started with automatically overshadowed it. I don't know what the problem is with the group that runs this site. I believe I speak for a lot of people as well when I say the "crusade" to better./ that many have taken on is severly detracting from OUR experience. It's annoying when you have to wade through./ sucks posts to read the stuff you want. The result is, unfortunatly, many of us now read at level 2 to just get posts that are revelant to the article.
No, and I mever have. I have taken exception with the manner in which you bring these points up. I personally believe PHP would be a better way of dishing up dynamic content, but I'm not going to flame./ to make that point.
Personally, I believe slashdot has many more pressing problems like the flooding and the story submission system.
Now you are sounding like a different person. Not the same who posted this:
If you can' handle java, and based on your flaky Perl coding, that is a good hunch, perhaps you can outsource to one of the Andover cronies.
If you interested in bettering/. I suggest you begin using constructive criticism (as you claim) and provide us with some reasoning behind your arguements.
Your previous NNTP point is valid, but what is your plan, to attack cmdrtaco until he does your bidding?
Simply calling people closed minded in a debate does not help your case in any way.
My advice is to attempt to intelligently bring about change.
Whining about perl and attacking Malda and co. in every article is akin to spraypainting "clinton sucks" on a freeway overpass. You might be right, but you show yourself to be incapable of expressing yourself effectivly, and you annoy people along the way. Not to mention that it is not going improve slashdot at all, it only makes is worse.
I've found skittles to occationaly contain meaningful, but I digress.
What insightful, constructive points have you brought up besides 1. slashdot should completly re-write their site in another language for the sole reason that I want to them to and 2. CmdrTaco writes bad perl code.
Yeah, you are right. It's tough to rise to that level of insightful conversation.
Actually, when you are a lone (and powerless) voice in someone else's large forum, put up or shut up is a perfectly valid point.
If you don't like the language too bad, you are just going to piss people off here and get moderated down for every whiny "java is great, woohoo!" post you make.
If you are interested in making slashdot better, contribute intelligent discussion.
Finkployd
ps. If you really are interested in convincing Malda to see your point of view, perhaps you should use a less insulting tone. These are the kind of things you learn after junior high.
New taxes, I don't know, but he can certinly spend money without congressional approval. For a recent, revelant example, Clinton signed an executive order about a year ago creating the government y2k tastforce. They had a pretty large budget and congress had nothing to do with it.
No, an executive order is a law written and signed into law by only the president. Congress has 90 days to react to it, and try to stop it (this has only happened once AFAIK)
This is different than a law initiated by congress and signed by the president. Clinton has signed more executive orders than any other president in history.
That is an interesting take on it, but it is only your opinion. I've seen nothing to back up what you say (although it does have a meager amount of logoc). Quite the contrary, all trends are looking good for Linux. Hell, even if it never gains any more market share from this point on, it is doing well for itself.
It could be they made the connection between the massive decline in their stock value and the bad press they have been getting since starting this whole mess.
Kudos to everyone who boycoted them, they got what they deserved and lost in the process.
Reproductive rights (another in a long list of psuedo-rights we've been inventing) is never a black and white issue.
I don't know of anyone who believes abortions should be allowed at all times, in all suitations. On the same token, I don't know of anyone who opposes abortion in all circumstances.
My views on the matter are so complex and have so many exceptions that I don't even consider it when I vote:)
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Opening up the source code is an offtopic issue.
Really? Funny, I could have sworn that was one of the questions asked of Rob and Jeff in the interview which this discussion is in response to. Funny that, huh?
Since you appearently don't have the time to read the interview, I assume you don't have time to read the comment I first responded to.
The origional poster used phrases like "give slashdot to the people" and suggested that Rob and Co. give the site up to be completly run by the people. I have nothing against story moderation (as you take offense to), I'm simply saying that the creators of the site should retain control over it. I'd be pretty pissed if people went to my webpage and demanded they have control over what I put on it.
Let me give you am example of what I am worried about. Let's assume that some MS Windows user group (there are MANY more Windows user than any other os) decided to take over slashdot. They come in and all submit and moderate Windows stories up and "poof" no more slashdot as we know it. Now it's ZDNet with less graphics. Sure it's far fetched, but why should the entire site be handed over everyone, what has everyone done to deserve the right to run the show around here.
If we want to have articals that are posted ranked by moderaters, that is fine. However I don't want to see the entire article process given away. I like the way it works now. Most others do to. It's just a vocal, greedy few who feel THEY should be running slashdot.
Finkployd
Moderation relates to comments posted IN RESPONSE to stories. Most moderation is used to either moderate down off topic posts, or moderate up insightfull posts as they relate to the story.
:) If I ran slashdot, it would have more stories about Pink Floyd, GNOME, Pole Vaulting, and the US's out of control government. I'll bet my view of a perfect slashdot isn't yours, just as your's isn't mine.
However the stories posted are (rightfully) chosen by the owners of the site.
You weak attempt to classify me as an elitist does little to advance you position, as I consider myself one of the unwashed masses
This is all irrelvant anyway, since the people who put in all the time, effort and money still run it.
I come here because I like most of the same stuff they do, not because I have this ego trip where I feel slashdot must conform to my view. It seems too many people here feel like slashdot has some kind of obligation to cater to their wants.
My point is, Slashdot is whatever Rob wants it to be. Sure it's elitist, but he did all the work and made this place, if you don't like what's here, then leave. Make your on site. Go to usenet and experience real free speach. I for one do not want this to become usenet.
Finkployd
Dude, I don't get you...
/. to the masses, it will ruin it. Are you aware how stupid the masses are? These are the people that make Jerry Springer a hit. If /. is given to everyone to run, it will quickly sink to the lowest common denominator, as people who have never had anything to do with it, will take over.
/. for a very long time now, and I enjoy the way it is (as do most of us here, or we would not be here). I don't want joe blow to come in and say what he thinks should be posted, then it WILL change. If you think the public needs a discussion forum, then make one, but leave /. alone. I an many others like it. If you don't like it and the stories posted here, perhaps you shouldn't be here.
Rob and co. built this site up from nothing, put in all the work, all the money (at first), and are only lately recieivng the rewards of their work. So why on earth do you think it's it's time for them to "give it up"? How could that make sense?
If you give
I have been reading
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Read the FAQ, the list of problems this release has scared me off :) Slow, takes long to load pages, leaves ini files all over the place, no thanks. I guess it's a technology preview, but you would imagine they would still have major stuff like this worked out. oh well, this comment was posted with the viewer_gtk from mozilla m12. A little viewer that certinly kicks some serious butt, so I'm happy for the moment. Finkployd
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Actually it's the FIRST ANNUAL Hemos Award...
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"While everyone is buying food and water to prepare for the end of civilization, I'm buying guns and ammo to take the food and water away from those who didn't quite grasp what the end of civilization meant" -Scott Adams of Dilbert fame
Finkployd
If he continues to ignore us, some of us may become inspired enough to do "slashdot" the right way.
This is my usual suggestion to people who bitch about slashdot. The MAJORITY of people here enjoy this site the way it is, sure there are some cosmetic improvements that could be made, but most of us are happy for the forum that is provided for us, free of charge.
The owners of this site are right not to bow down to a vocal minority, especially when that vocal minority constantly floods the forum, posts rambling complaints without solutions, and sersonally attacks the owners and users of this site.
I'm not saying you are doing all of this, but this is the company you are being grouped in with. Unless the "slashdot reformers" learn to grow up, they will not effect change at all.
Finkployd
Perhaps you are right, but I hope you see that posting flames in every article is going to hurt slashdot while you are trying to help it.
Simply toning down the rant and adding facts to back up your arguement will go a long way to help bring about intelligent discussion, if you must post in every story.
And your point is valid, however the offensive manner you started with automatically overshadowed it. I don't know what the problem is with the group that runs this site. ./ that many have taken on is severly detracting from OUR experience. It's annoying when you have to wade through ./ sucks posts to read the stuff you want. The result is, unfortunatly, many of us now read at level 2 to just get posts that are revelant to the article.
I believe I speak for a lot of people as well when I say the "crusade" to better
No, and I mever have. I have taken exception with the manner in which you bring these points up. ./ to make that point.
I personally believe PHP would be a better way of dishing up dynamic content, but I'm not going to flame
Personally, I believe slashdot has many more pressing problems like the flooding and the story submission system.
finkployd
Now you are sounding like a different person. Not the same who posted this:
/. I suggest you begin using constructive criticism (as you claim) and provide us with some reasoning behind your arguements.
If you can' handle java, and based on your flaky Perl coding, that is a good hunch, perhaps you can outsource to one of the Andover cronies.
If you interested in bettering
Your previous NNTP point is valid, but what is your plan, to attack cmdrtaco until he does your bidding?
Finkployd
Simply calling people closed minded in a debate does not help your case in any way.
My advice is to attempt to intelligently bring about change.
Whining about perl and attacking Malda and co. in every article is akin to spraypainting "clinton sucks" on a freeway overpass. You might be right, but you show yourself to be incapable of expressing yourself effectivly, and you annoy people along the way. Not to mention that it is not going improve slashdot at all, it only makes is worse.
Finkployd
I've found skittles to occationaly contain meaningful, but I digress.
What insightful, constructive points have you brought up besides
1. slashdot should completly re-write their site in another language for the sole reason that I want to them to and
2. CmdrTaco writes bad perl code.
Yeah, you are right. It's tough to rise to that level of insightful conversation.
Finkployd
There are dozens of proven sites that do it better than slashdot.
Then why aren't you there?
Finkployd
Another ZDNet editor finds slashdot...
Finkployd
Actually, when you are a lone (and powerless) voice in someone else's large forum, put up or shut up is a perfectly valid point.
If you don't like the language too bad, you are just going to piss people off here and get moderated down for every whiny "java is great, woohoo!" post you make.
If you are interested in making slashdot better, contribute intelligent discussion.
Finkployd
ps. If you really are interested in convincing Malda to see your point of view, perhaps you should use a less insulting tone. These are the kind of things you learn after junior high.
Wow, aren't you an annoying a$$hole.
:)
I've got a better idea, as a form of protest, you should boycott slashdot until they see you java way
Why not start up a site of your own mr 3l33t coder, then you can show cmdrtaco up at his own game.
Finkployd
New taxes, I don't know, but he can certinly spend money without congressional approval.
For a recent, revelant example, Clinton signed an executive order about a year ago creating the government y2k tastforce. They had a pretty large budget and congress had nothing to do with it.
Finkployd
No, an executive order is a law written and signed into law by only the president. Congress has 90 days to react to it, and try to stop it (this has only happened once AFAIK)
This is different than a law initiated by congress and signed by the president. Clinton has signed more executive orders than any other president in history.
Finkployd
I do not believe that law is retroactive.
Regardless, the person who actually did the reverse engineering is not even in the US.
Finkployd
That is an interesting take on it, but it is only your opinion. I've seen nothing to back up what you say (although it does have a meager amount of logoc). Quite the contrary, all trends are looking good for Linux. Hell, even if it never gains any more market share from this point on, it is doing well for itself.
Finkployd
It could be they made the connection between the massive decline in their stock value and the bad press they have been getting since starting this whole mess.
Kudos to everyone who boycoted them, they got what they deserved and lost in the process.
Finkployd
The president can't make the law.
Executive orders.
Clinton's signed a record amount into law. Sorry to burst your bubble, congress is obsolete.
Finkployd
Reproductive rights (another in a long list of psuedo-rights we've been inventing) is never a black and white issue.
:)
I don't know of anyone who believes abortions should be allowed at all times, in all suitations. On the same token, I don't know of anyone who opposes abortion in all circumstances.
My views on the matter are so complex and have so many exceptions that I don't even consider it when I vote
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