I would think that if he said Linux, he meant linux. Redhat is not linux, it is a compilation of linux software and the Linux kernel. AKA a "distribution". Related items: Debian, Slackware, Mandrake, Caldera, Corel, Stampede, etc.
On the next fantastic episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle, "Life on the Moons of Jupiter?" or "How to distract the media from your failures - A NASA publication"..
As far as i know, many of the people in this forum have never given Redhat ANYTHING, yet you whine and complain with every move that stands to significantly benefit you or your cause. Don't like sendmail now? Well, a little extra development "oomph" couldn't hurt it. Is Mozilla progressing too slowly for you? Same idea. The point here is that Redhat does a lot of work for the linux community, and gives back all the source code as GNU software, at no cost to you. Sure, they're the largest software distributor of linux, sure they often cater to newbies, but they're one of the best things linux has going for it. As linux continues to grow, you can either accept that Redhat will be a major factor in that, or go use something else. The reason people hate MS is because of its low quality, bloated software, and cut throat business tactics, NOT because they're the biggest. Don't hate something because it is big, hate it for a good reason.
Hey, I was pretty interested in upgrading my server to debian a while ago, and have been waiting for potato for far too long now. It has really become a joke. Sure porting to HURD and *BSD are possibly a Good Thing, but maybe we should concentrate on one thing at a time here eh?
P.S. Don't reply about using apt-get to use the latest stuff, read: tested.
Hi, it seems a lot of you have misconstrued this article into some kind of "new hole", when it is in fact the contrary. This article describes an attack that is all too trivial to undertake. All that is required is a few fast root shells, and a daemon to handle the requests. The result is a denial of service orgy, holding down the victim's connection until the attack ceases. The only way I can see to prevent this is firewalling your own network to prevent a wiley script kiddy from using your network to carry out his or her revenge on the internet. If every network was firewalled in such a way, where would the script kiddies "packet" from? Network admins, this is your job, time to earn that check of yours!
Maybe its just me here, or maybe not. But an nmap scan of all ports literally returned almost every port open. Now, not even redhat ships with that many daemons running by default, so its either the firewall (got my vote) or they went out of their way to make each box more insecure.
If it is, in fact, the firewall at fault here, what is the point of having such an event, is the whole contest not pointless here? Wouldn't one have to be able to bypass this firewall first, making it a crack this firewall, and THEN crack this box contest? How do these results verify one OS more secure than the other. More importantly, how do ANY of these tests check up on OS security, since buffer overflows occur across almost all os's, and in fact its usually daemons that are exploited.
I use bellsouth as an internet service provider, and i got the following letter in email:
Valued Customers:
At 11:15 pm 8/13/99 WorldCom, our Global Service Provider, notified our Network Operations Center of the need to perform emergency maintenance on their Frame Relay network beginning at 12 Noon (EDT) Saturday 8-14-99 and finishing at approximately 12 Noon (EDT) Sunday 8-15-99.
During the course of this emergency maintenance, you may or may not experience the following: congestion over the network, latency and potentially, loss of connectivity. The work being performed by WorldCom necessitates the complete shutdown of all frame relay switches within the WorldCom network, and a controlled, one by one, reinstatement of each frame relay switch back onto the network.
We have been assured by WorldCom that every effort will be made to reduce the impact to our network and to resolve the issue necessitating the emergency maintenance as expediently as possible.
We will notify you once we have received confirmation from WorldCom that all work has been completed.
Thank you for your patience and continued business,
While I have to admit that such technology makes one marvel at what scientific achievements are possible, this tiny webserver also makes me question the value of this. Would one's time be better spent trying to make a better real-world webserver (perhaps something that is able to combat the slashdot effect?), or are litte projects like this leading the way to a new kind of webserver..?
China and other countries can learn all our nuclear secrets and things like that with the laws in place, why bother keeping them? DOWN WITH THE EXPORT LAWS!
Could this be a sign of the times to come? Major unix vendors open source'ing important apps and porting to other platforms? Sounds good to me, count me in!
Well, given the way everyone around here always whines (rightfully so) about MS's unfair business practices, don't you all think it is a bit unfair for these people to go on and ask the government to halt their agreement with MS, solely because they are Microsoft? I could be wrong, but I wouldn't like it much if it were me.
It seems like a lot of/.'ers are very opinionated about things, which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, when the second news comes out about, say Redhat, people jump all over Redhat simply because they have the most popular commercial division. Now granted, maybe Redhat isn't for you, but why not lay off of them, and accept the fact that their moves in the linux world usually only help our cause?
Actually, If you think about it, Microsoft doing this may bring hardship, but in the end we will survive. You see, in doing this, microsoft is bringing this into a light where the two products are compared "head on".
But when the smoke clears, how much farther ahead will linux be? We all know linux is not yet leaps and bounds ahead of other Unix flavors, and NT does have its selling points. After all, you can't really "root" an NT box can you? And how good is linux device support at this point?
If the linux community really wants its darling OS to come out on top, it needs to fix what is broken, and consistently keep things like performance, security, and reliability at the top of its list. Diggety Dank, the dankest of the dank.
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I would think that if he said Linux, he meant linux. Redhat is not linux, it is a compilation of linux software and the Linux kernel. AKA a "distribution". Related items: Debian, Slackware, Mandrake, Caldera, Corel, Stampede, etc.
On the next fantastic episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle, "Life on the Moons of Jupiter?" or "How to distract the media from your failures - A NASA publication"..
Wasn't starbuck a character in moby dick?
KDE is free.
As far as i know, many of the people in this forum have never given Redhat ANYTHING, yet you whine and complain with every move that stands to significantly benefit you or your cause. Don't like sendmail now? Well, a little extra development "oomph" couldn't hurt it. Is Mozilla progressing too slowly for you? Same idea. The point here is that Redhat does a lot of work for the linux community, and gives back all the source code as GNU software, at no cost to you. Sure, they're the largest software distributor of linux, sure they often cater to newbies, but they're one of the best things linux has going for it. As linux continues to grow, you can either accept that Redhat will be a major factor in that, or go use something else. The reason people hate MS is because of its low quality, bloated software, and cut throat business tactics, NOT because they're the biggest. Don't hate something because it is big, hate it for a good reason.
Hey, I was pretty interested in upgrading my server to debian a while ago, and have been waiting for potato for far too long now. It has really become a joke. Sure porting to HURD and *BSD are possibly a Good Thing, but maybe we should concentrate on one thing at a time here eh?
P.S. Don't reply about using apt-get to use the latest stuff, read: tested.
Hi, it seems a lot of you have misconstrued this article into some kind of "new hole", when it is in fact the contrary. This article describes an attack that is all too trivial to undertake. All that is required is a few fast root shells, and a daemon to handle the requests. The result is a denial of service orgy, holding down the victim's connection until the attack ceases. The only way I can see to prevent this is firewalling your own network to prevent a wiley script kiddy from using your network to carry out his or her revenge on the internet. If every network was firewalled in such a way, where would the script kiddies "packet" from? Network admins, this is your job, time to earn that check of yours!
Maybe its just me here, or maybe not. But an nmap scan of all ports literally returned almost every port open. Now, not even redhat ships with that many daemons running by default, so its either the firewall (got my vote) or they went out of their way to make each box more insecure.
If it is, in fact, the firewall at fault here, what is the point of having such an event, is the whole contest not pointless here? Wouldn't one have to be able to bypass this firewall first, making it a crack this firewall, and THEN crack this box contest? How do these results verify one OS more secure than the other. More importantly, how do ANY of these tests check up on OS security, since buffer overflows occur across almost all os's, and in fact its usually daemons that are exploited.
-mike
Will XFS be replacing ext2 as the default linux file system anytime soon? What effects will this move have on that?
I use bellsouth as an internet service provider, and i got the following letter in email:
Valued Customers:
At 11:15 pm 8/13/99 WorldCom, our Global Service Provider, notified our Network Operations Center of the need to perform emergency maintenance on their Frame Relay network beginning at 12 Noon (EDT) Saturday 8-14-99 and finishing at approximately 12 Noon (EDT) Sunday 8-15-99.
During the course of this emergency maintenance, you may or may not experience the following: congestion over the network, latency and potentially, loss of connectivity. The work being performed by WorldCom necessitates the complete shutdown of all frame relay switches within the WorldCom network, and a controlled, one by one, reinstatement of each frame relay switch back onto the network.
We have been assured by WorldCom that every effort will be made to reduce the impact to our network and to resolve the issue necessitating the emergency maintenance as expediently as possible.
We will notify you once we have received confirmation from WorldCom that all work has been completed.
Thank you for your patience and continued business,
BellSouth.net
While I have to admit that such technology makes one marvel at what scientific achievements are possible, this tiny webserver also makes me question the value of this. Would one's time be better spent trying to make a better real-world webserver (perhaps something that is able to combat the slashdot effect?), or are litte projects like this leading the way to a new kind of webserver..?
;P
--just my two cents.
China and other countries can learn all our nuclear secrets and things like that with the laws in place, why bother keeping them? DOWN WITH THE EXPORT LAWS!
What if someone stole yours? All you're private thoughts, gone public..
Looks good to me [= How much do they cost?
Finally, someone making a linux based product NOT based on Redhat. PEASANTS REJOICE!
Where does one register trademarks again? hehe =)
Could this be a sign of the times to come? Major unix vendors open source'ing important apps and porting to other platforms? Sounds good to me, count me in!
Well, given the way everyone around here always whines (rightfully so) about MS's unfair business practices, don't you all think it is a bit unfair for these people to go on and ask the government to halt their agreement with MS, solely because they are Microsoft? I could be wrong, but I wouldn't like it much if it were me.
It seems like a lot of /.'ers are very opinionated about things, which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, when the second news comes out about, say Redhat, people jump all over Redhat simply because they have the most popular commercial division. Now granted, maybe Redhat isn't for you, but why not lay off of them, and accept the fact that their moves in the linux world usually only help our cause?
Actually, If you think about it, Microsoft doing this may bring hardship, but in the end we will survive. You see, in doing this, microsoft is bringing this into a light where the two products are compared "head on".
But when the smoke clears, how much farther ahead will linux be? We all know linux is not yet leaps and bounds ahead of other Unix flavors, and NT does have its selling points. After all, you can't really "root" an NT box can you? And how good is linux device support at this point?
If the linux community really wants its darling OS to come out on top, it needs to fix what is broken, and consistently keep things like performance, security, and reliability at the top of its list. Diggety Dank, the dankest of the dank.