Your view point is like a child's. Constantly yelling "i know better" meanwhile experts all around you are the ones making the world livable for you.
Chances are your life has no value. But people who are actually making important decisions must trust the expertise of others. Time has long since passed the point where someone can be a "jack of all trades" and make significant achievements.
In the big boys league you have to play well with others, The skills that are required to compete at that level require you to be highly specialized.
Its fine if you dont really want to compete in that league but in that case you should at least be aware of your limitations and understand that the important decision makers the majors, require more refined skills than the minors.
For someone who probably agrees my stance on pollution, your "counter" argument is a little misplaced and umm not accurate. For starts "Everybody has a right to reasonably clean air, as part of the property inherent to all humans on earth." Is simply not true. I do not see any laws supporting this. Beyond that in economics is entirely separate field than politics and rights and privileges haven o barring on pure economics. Thus your point is just not even relevant to my point.
Knowledge is wonderful I cant agree more. The more you know the more you can contribute to society.
But there are MANY MANY issues which require action and requiring some level of understanding to formulate a correct response.
The problem with global warming is those who are truly informed have some sort of general consensus about the problem and needed solution yet people who are not at all "in the know" are actively fighting this consensus without any form of information or understanding.
If you ask the Dr to give the equivalent of a full medical education so that you truly understand your situation.. The Dr. will (kindly) tell you to fuck off a get a new patient. And if have a serious condition and you do this to every Dr you will die.
As a scientist you probably have the capability to understand if you put enough effort in. But from your description. You have not. Are you going to wait 10 years to get your Md before before you let a Dr take out your spleen and give you some meds to fight infections?
Short of that you are still just giving your Dr blind faith. so your questions are mostly pointless.
For such a important issue, and one where there is near total scientific agreement it is unreasonable to ever hope that a majority of the population understands what is going on.
Its nuts that even after all our scientific understanding that we still have these crazy bastards making a political issue of what should be a scientific issue.
No it does not deserve a real answer (at least when the question comes from an adult) The person asking the question is asking it in bad faith.
The F=MA part is a nuanced point which you failed to grasp. There are fantastic and interesting reasons to question F=MA. However the average person will never be able to even come close to understanding any of a real response. Short in at least having a masters in a related field. Any answer will simply go over the questioners heads.
Ill put myself in this position. I am not qualified to demand a 100% proof on how my antibiotics work. Its beyond stupid for the average person to even ask that a Dr. tries to explain it to them. Its reasonable to ask. Hey was there a peer reviewed study of this and its effects? If so its time to shut the fuck up and take your medicine
Whoever told you "there is no such thing as a stupid question" is wrong.
But I disagree with the last part. The scientists should not be wasting their time explaining this ad nauseum to a bunch of idiots. It has come to the point where organizations should be put into place simply to manipulate the last renaming trolls.
In the world of reality these people are no longer informed voters. They are simply objects standing in the way to reason. Whatever tool needs to be used to get them out of the way should be used.
Yes people are pushing false information for profit. The "profit" motif comes from not changing the way things are. These institutions do not think that they will make more money client change comes to pass. They think they will make LESS profit if they are forced to change.
This is a classic tragedy of the commons situation. If everyone pollutes everyone looses. If only you pollute and no one else does.... you win. If you dont pollute and everyone else does... you really loose. If no one pollutes everyone kind wins.
I have no idea why tards on the right who get all huffy about free market economics would not recognize this economics 101 situation. Given a free market situation we will always turn to the WORST possible outcome. Since it is always better for the individual to pollute the Nash equilibrium is achieved when everyone chooses to pollute.
Now how to deal with this flaw in the free market solution is more up to debate. But in general this is the EXACT situation where governmental regulation is needed and will produce the most net surplus. The free marketer solution is that every single potential polluter gets together and negotiates who gets to pollute..... I like to call this solution a "government". But repubs get all pissy about that name for some reason. They think every individual entity should negotiate... They seem to forget there are a thing called transaction costs which make this completely crazy in the real world.
This is not science class. The people asking the questions are not looking for real answers. The average person is simply not even qualified to ask questions.
Do you ask questions about how nuclear reactors are working to power your home? No. The experts know. If you ask a question of them. If they are nice they could give you some dumbed down version. But you will never really understand without spending YEARS of your life.
There comes a point where you simply have to trust the experts. We are well beyond that..... VERY well beyond that. The people asking questions publicly are simply doing it for political reasons. They are disingenuous and the enemy of scientific understanding.
It is reasonable to ask questions. However if you go around questioning if F=MA is applicable to every day life, your not questioning your a fucking troll.
Than I have reason to doubt your ability to perform critical thinking.
The "leaks" worst offense was that in some cases scientists' felt pressure to modify the way they presented their facts to the public.
Scientists, just like the rest of us are human. The client researchers' work is constantly under question, misinterpreted and derided by the simpletons on the right.
It is a natural in this situation for people to have to take a "war footing".
Portions of the public have refused accept that the overwhelming majority of facts point to one conclusion. They blow out of proportion that.1% which MAY support ulterior conclusions. As a reaction to that some elements of the informed population realize that some portion of the uniformed population are not capable of making logical and reasoned conclusions.
This results in the unfortunate situation where some of the informed must manipulate the incompetent to move society forward.
Actually I never said he was a pedo just that he would fit in with them. So check 1 against you passing 6th grade reading comprehension. And implying that anyone would need to lie or even exaggerate anything to make Kimmy look bad. Check 1 against your life having worth:) have a good day.
No its a strait forward attempt to discredit you by pointing out that you think this this guy is "cool" despite his obviously massive "creep factor" . This is the kind of guy that if he walked into a room families would just pull their kids close and tell them to not go near that guy. Seriously dude if you think this guy is "cool" and are not just trolling check yourself.
He is directly responsible for many thousands of deaths,clearly psychotic and looks and acts like a pedophile/general nut job? and you ask whats wrong with him?
You really do deserve the lifetime achievement award for no taste at all and should seriously get proffesional help if you honestly think that he is a "cool guy". Or you are trolling.
..... you thought that Kim Jong Il was a "cool guy"........wtf dude I think you just won the award for worst taste in the world..... If you put him in a room full of pedophiles and sociopaths you would not be able to pick that guy out of the bunch.
Your logic is wrong its not "So, because they did something ethically wrong and against the law it's OK to do the same to them? " its... " Because they did something ethically wrong and against the law it's OK to punish them if they law failed to do so"
If someone does something unspeakably horrible to a member of your family and legally gets away with it, it is more than morally justifiable to extract your pound of flesh. Now I certainty am not recommending killing anyone in this situation, however for the gross misconduct news corp has committed on sooo many occasions the organization should be proverbially (and possibly actually) burned to the ground. Everyone associated with the firm should permanently have their resumes tarnished with the name "news corp" and thus hopefully never be able to find work within journalism ever again.
The problem is the breadth of the patent. "Hey dude your code does something kinda similar but not really but hey I to have a variable called "counter" so you violated my patent and now I will send my army of 100 million dollar lawyers at you and you cant afford to do anything so you LOOZE"
To be fair I am pro GM foods here. However I would not be surprised if there are some health risks with some. Id actually be surprised if at least some day we dont end up killing people with them.. To me its just the price you have to pay for progress.
Saying GMO food presents health risks is so compleatly vague its crazy. Its kinda like laying "gases" present health risks ya..... some do... others not so much.
The average american should go with eating 30% less. But ya I get your point but i still disagree I think it is the stupids. I see these shows with some moronic family complaining about how its cheaper/quicker to feed their family off fast food and that it fills up their kids more. Meanwhile their kids are fatasses and diabetic... maybe their kids should be a little hungry it would do some good
Not possible. Testing everything to the extent you like is not possible. If we were to do what you would like we would spent nearly 100% of our time testing every last product for the next 100years just to get out 1 years worth of product.......
Realistically.. You are the testing. If you eat or use something than you die than than they have a product which failed. Development of this world is proceeding too fast for complete testing of most if not any product.
It is when you are going down to details that 99.9% of the population cant make any kind of informed decision on. Im not 100% sure that fits this situation but that is the argument the poster is making.
He probably would argue that its about as informative as listing the break downs of every atomic isotope within a food product. Informative... but useless information.
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Your view point is like a child's. Constantly yelling "i know better" meanwhile experts all around you are the ones making the world livable for you.
Chances are your life has no value. But people who are actually making important decisions must trust the expertise of others. Time has long since passed the point where someone can be a "jack of all trades" and make significant achievements.
In the big boys league you have to play well with others, The skills that are required to compete at that level require you to be highly specialized.
Its fine if you dont really want to compete in that league but in that case you should at least be aware of your limitations and understand that the important decision makers the majors, require more refined skills than the minors.
For someone who probably agrees my stance on pollution, your "counter" argument is a little misplaced and umm not accurate. For starts "Everybody has a right to reasonably clean air, as part of the property inherent to all humans on earth." Is simply not true. I do not see any laws supporting this. Beyond that in economics is entirely separate field than politics and rights and privileges haven o barring on pure economics. Thus your point is just not even relevant to my point.
But there are MANY MANY issues which require action and requiring some level of understanding to formulate a correct response.
The problem with global warming is those who are truly informed have some sort of general consensus about the problem and needed solution yet people who are not at all "in the know" are actively fighting this consensus without any form of information or understanding.
As a scientist you probably have the capability to understand if you put enough effort in. But from your description. You have not. Are you going to wait 10 years to get your Md before before you let a Dr take out your spleen and give you some meds to fight infections?
Short of that you are still just giving your Dr blind faith. so your questions are mostly pointless.
For such a important issue, and one where there is near total scientific agreement it is unreasonable to ever hope that a majority of the population understands what is going on.
Its nuts that even after all our scientific understanding that we still have these crazy bastards making a political issue of what should be a scientific issue.
The F=MA part is a nuanced point which you failed to grasp. There are fantastic and interesting reasons to question F=MA. However the average person will never be able to even come close to understanding any of a real response. Short in at least having a masters in a related field. Any answer will simply go over the questioners heads.
Ill put myself in this position. I am not qualified to demand a 100% proof on how my antibiotics work. Its beyond stupid for the average person to even ask that a Dr. tries to explain it to them. Its reasonable to ask. Hey was there a peer reviewed study of this and its effects? If so its time to shut the fuck up and take your medicine
Whoever told you "there is no such thing as a stupid question" is wrong.
But I disagree with the last part. The scientists should not be wasting their time explaining this ad nauseum to a bunch of idiots. It has come to the point where organizations should be put into place simply to manipulate the last renaming trolls.
In the world of reality these people are no longer informed voters. They are simply objects standing in the way to reason. Whatever tool needs to be used to get them out of the way should be used.
This is a classic tragedy of the commons situation. If everyone pollutes everyone looses. If only you pollute and no one else does.... you win. If you dont pollute and everyone else does... you really loose. If no one pollutes everyone kind wins.
I have no idea why tards on the right who get all huffy about free market economics would not recognize this economics 101 situation. Given a free market situation we will always turn to the WORST possible outcome. Since it is always better for the individual to pollute the Nash equilibrium is achieved when everyone chooses to pollute.
Now how to deal with this flaw in the free market solution is more up to debate. But in general this is the EXACT situation where governmental regulation is needed and will produce the most net surplus. The free marketer solution is that every single potential polluter gets together and negotiates who gets to pollute..... I like to call this solution a "government". But repubs get all pissy about that name for some reason. They think every individual entity should negotiate... They seem to forget there are a thing called transaction costs which make this completely crazy in the real world.
Actually there are a few companies who do stand to profit from it. Ie companies who own a large fresh water supplies.
This is not science class. The people asking the questions are not looking for real answers. The average person is simply not even qualified to ask questions.
Do you ask questions about how nuclear reactors are working to power your home? No. The experts know. If you ask a question of them. If they are nice they could give you some dumbed down version. But you will never really understand without spending YEARS of your life.
There comes a point where you simply have to trust the experts. We are well beyond that..... VERY well beyond that. The people asking questions publicly are simply doing it for political reasons. They are disingenuous and the enemy of scientific understanding.
It is reasonable to ask questions. However if you go around questioning if F=MA is applicable to every day life, your not questioning your a fucking troll.
Than I have reason to doubt your ability to perform critical thinking.
The "leaks" worst offense was that in some cases scientists' felt pressure to modify the way they presented their facts to the public.
Scientists, just like the rest of us are human. The client researchers' work is constantly under question, misinterpreted and derided by the simpletons on the right.
It is a natural in this situation for people to have to take a "war footing".
Portions of the public have refused accept that the overwhelming majority of facts point to one conclusion. They blow out of proportion that .1% which MAY support ulterior conclusions. As a reaction to that some elements of the informed population realize that some portion of the uniformed population are not capable of making logical and reasoned conclusions.
This results in the unfortunate situation where some of the informed must manipulate the incompetent to move society forward.
Actually I never said he was a pedo just that he would fit in with them. So check 1 against you passing 6th grade reading comprehension. And implying that anyone would need to lie or even exaggerate anything to make Kimmy look bad. Check 1 against your life having worth :) have a good day.
No its a strait forward attempt to discredit you by pointing out that you think this this guy is "cool" despite his obviously massive "creep factor" . This is the kind of guy that if he walked into a room families would just pull their kids close and tell them to not go near that guy. Seriously dude if you think this guy is "cool" and are not just trolling check yourself.
He is directly responsible for many thousands of deaths ,clearly psychotic and looks and acts like a pedophile/general nut job? and you ask whats wrong with him?
You really do deserve the lifetime achievement award for no taste at all and should seriously get proffesional help if you honestly think that he is a "cool guy". Or you are trolling.
..... you thought that Kim Jong Il was a "cool guy"........wtf dude I think you just won the award for worst taste in the world..... If you put him in a room full of pedophiles and sociopaths you would not be able to pick that guy out of the bunch.
Seriously I wouldn't wish'Arrested Development' on my worst enemies.
Your logic is wrong its not "So, because they did something ethically wrong and against the law it's OK to do the same to them? " its ... " Because they did something ethically wrong and against the law it's OK to punish them if they law failed to do so"
If someone does something unspeakably horrible to a member of your family and legally gets away with it, it is more than morally justifiable to extract your pound of flesh. Now I certainty am not recommending killing anyone in this situation, however for the gross misconduct news corp has committed on sooo many occasions the organization should be proverbially (and possibly actually) burned to the ground. Everyone associated with the firm should permanently have their resumes tarnished with the name "news corp" and thus hopefully never be able to find work within journalism ever again.
The problem is the breadth of the patent. "Hey dude your code does something kinda similar but not really but hey I to have a variable called "counter" so you violated my patent and now I will send my army of 100 million dollar lawyers at you and you cant afford to do anything so you LOOZE"
Any design is math Yes code is at least 1 step closer but a design for a really sweat engine can be just as well represented with '1's and '0's
Protectionism does not create monopolies as a mater of fact.
To be fair I am pro GM foods here. However I would not be surprised if there are some health risks with some. Id actually be surprised if at least some day we dont end up killing people with them.. To me its just the price you have to pay for progress.
Saying GMO food presents health risks is so compleatly vague its crazy. Its kinda like laying "gases" present health risks ya..... some do... others not so much.
except we spend billions keeping these "people" alive
The average american should go with eating 30% less. But ya I get your point but i still disagree I think it is the stupids. I see these shows with some moronic family complaining about how its cheaper/quicker to feed their family off fast food and that it fills up their kids more. Meanwhile their kids are fatasses and diabetic ... maybe their kids should be a little hungry it would do some good
Realistically.. You are the testing. If you eat or use something than you die than than they have a product which failed. Development of this world is proceeding too fast for complete testing of most if not any product.
He probably would argue that its about as informative as listing the break downs of every atomic isotope within a food product. Informative... but useless information.