Thats a general patent law / large corporate corruptions / shitty FDA issue. The reason why Monsanto is in the position they are is that genetically modified foods are sometimes just that damn good. That they give the owner of the patent too much power. Once again. There is no problem with genetically modified foods.
Is that the source of these volcanic beads was near a particularly large( for the moon) source of water. I am not an expert but this seems like a more reasonable guess than there is as much water on the moon as on earth. At least to a laymen
I am against the use of antibiotics in the situation (we use them far too much for people even not just animals) But I have no problems at all with genetically modified foods. I consider opposition to them as crazy hippy bullshit and Id consider myself very liberal. Also factory farming is not inherently bad. Its just our government has not performed on its responsibility to properly regulate it.
Yes I have watched at least a few of these movies myself.
My point is as the article stated that Apple has a near 100% strangle hold on the tablet market. This would not be possible if there was a real market for tablets. Your numbers on apple's composition with android etc in other markets supports this statement. I personally have no problems with the ipad it is a semi decent product. The reviews have actually pointed it to be semi worth while in a price/performance respect. The thing is I have seen no indication that 99% of any one who buys a tablet of anykind has any real use for the things. This is subjectively backed up by my other belief (one that I would put money on) that most of the sales of ipads are to the cult. I would bet that vast majority of people purchasing one of these has either a iphone or a macBook.
"Oh who am I kidding, with the tone of your post if Apple open sourced the whole of iOS tomorrow and donated all of its cash reserves to charity you's till twist it round as something evil." No I would think this would be a great thing. I have no problem with Apple they are a semi decently efficient corporation and they have made several wise marketing decisions I wish I had invested in them a few years ago. What I believe is that Apple's customers are mostly idiots and have no idea what they are purchasing.
They are the size of a laptop with the functionality of a phone (IE the worst of both worlds). Every last feature mentioned by you is done just as well by a phone or done better by a laptop. There is next to no market besides apple fanatics for them(complete idiots).
10 out of 10 times I see any tablet being "used" is to play angry birds or some other crap little game while the kid with the PSP siting next next chuckles at the pretentious sap with the ipad.
I do freely admit the ipad has defined the market space and that market space is next to worthless as far as worth goes. The profit Apple is and will make off it is not due to the value of the market space but simply sheeple following apple around like lost dogs. Over the next handful of years you will continue to see the pattern of major electronics makers producing the ~ the same product at ~ the same cost and consistently getting virtualy 0 market share.
This is not going to be the products fault but the business managers failure to realize Apple owns 100% of the "Apple" market place. IE the individuals purchasing these are not interested in the product itself but simply the brand name. Apple could be selling chocolate covered turds and their cult would buy it up.
By the time tablets could become mainstream, phones will have completely taken over the market once again. All tablets are trying to do is fill some magical void between phones and laptops and there simply has been no historical market for this, and they likely never will be.
A good test of this will be if there is any succesfull competitor to the ipad in the semi near future . There is no way Apple will be able to dominate the market the way it has if there is any true outside market for the niche .
No one with anything to do worth while wants a tablet. Tables have never and will never likely be the go to platform for those who actually want to accomplish something other than looking pretentious.
In that respect apple and tablets have a lot in common (next to useless)
Imperfect information IS a reason for market failure
"that's all subjective and opinionated". No its not. 100's of millions a year are spent on QUANTITATIVE evaluation of these things. and BILLIONS a year are spent as (a large part by insurers) based off these quantitative models.
"The fact is that the costs inured are long down the road and evolution as well as the theory of it will take care of those costs as they start to rise. It naturally becomes normalized with time."
Again the costs are occurring NOW/YESTERDAY and tomorrow. They have gone to little villages near sources of damage and measured how long it take for paint to peel , how many times a year people are ill how long a car's air filter last etc etc etc and compared these to locations without as significant exposure. The results of this is that there is MASSIVE damage NOW. I have not even mentioned global warming etc which is another MASSIVE although estimated cost. These other costs are NOT estimated they are measured.
The CURRENT costs each year caused by the growing terrain slowly drifting due to climate change in the US has been estimate to reach the billions of dollars level.
They are accepting the externalities. But thats due to imperfect information one of the prime reasons for market failure. and savings implies that it somehow costs more to do it the other way. The net total cost is much lower for many non fossil fuel based sources.
"Your right. But more efficiency equals more profits and we know profits is what business is about." If your talking about the social profit or social "surplus" than yes. However most wealth is not enumerated on the balance sheets of the Forbes 500. + Even if it is, if everyone is dead who is there to enjoy it (thats not expected but hyperbole depicting the declining utility of wealth being concentrated in the few).
"Externalities are already paid for in the savings of cost of the product." That would be theoretically possible however just about every bit of research ive seen have put the costs at high multiples of current prices . In fact I have not seen any works Id consider reasonable that says that total net prices are any way near half the net externalities alone.
This one concludes that there is over a 1 billion a year of damage to Greece alone. Which is fraction of the size of the US. Using that figure to extrapolate the net world wide loss in productivity is easily within the low/mid 100's of billions a year. Which is on the low end of what I remember seeing. External costs range from poor health / more sick days / the walls of buildings needing to be painted and rebuilt more often (the chemicals in the air help erode the building materials/ cars break down more often (same effect and more crap in the air filters) etc etc.
Economics 101. Proft != Economic efficiency. I admitted a side effect of properly allocated research funding would likely be lower corporate profits for some mega corporations this is true and I am indifferent to this effect (I have stock in big and small firms I am not blindly anti corporate). If you would actually read what was said you would realize that was not the main goal and that "to counteract the effects of externalities previously unaccounted for" was the goal that does = Economic efficiency.
"If such technologies can be profitably developed within our current regulatory economy, then entrepreneurs will create start-ups, and funders will give funding." That is fundamentally incorrect. Man made financial instruments are massively risk adverse. Not to mention the economics of scale needed to realize the value basic research.
Sometimes the messenger does deserve to be shot. That was the point of my original message and I admit that. I like to discuss topics with people who will actually contribute some valid back and forth however there are valid political reasons for simply attacking the messenger. Discussion on politics is often academic at best. By now the sides are far too entrenched to move the bases. I admit I am part of that and gladly so, I have my reasons for this . These "arguments" are classic handed down talking points. If you are pushing them you are already lost to one side any debate over the hard line talking points is silly as they have been debated ad-nauseum..
I half assed my answer because your answer was also a half assed one. I present one example to discredit your general statement (Dont expect more than you give) . I more or less flubed on the velcro but I stand by the other three and to go beyond direct invention there is compleatly and utterly no way any of these would have been invented without the massive government research into E&M in the 20's 30's etc and to be honest I do care to elaborate more. If you dont see the utility of this when presented with at least three examples with varying degree's of clarity you are not going to become informed and its not worth my time.
Have you ever studied economics? The oil supply is limited. We are using it daily. Meaning the price should go up daily. (Which it pretty much is) Not using ours now means we are saving it for later (making money on our investment). Using our oil supply now is like taking out a second mortgage to buy a vibrator. "Not a good idea unless you want to get screwed now and in the future"
"We can't just print money and use it to pay off the debt. For each extra dollar we print, we make every other dollar in existence worth less. This means is takes more dollars to be worth a particular value, so prices go up. This is called inflation."
We cant print money and inflation is good for debtors (99% of the US pop the Govt) and bad for billionaires with large piles of cash (1% of the population and China) . This is an easy choice if you dont have your head up your ass.
Its neither. Its some dude sitting in his underwear thinking "I have a 1/2 chance of dying and a 1/100 chance of saving the world. I like siting in this chair i'm not going to work for the good of the nation" Its the cowardly corporate way out. and its the way republicans want the nation to act as a whole.
"Charles Francis Jenkins (August 22, 1867 – June 6, 1934) was an American pioneer of early cinema and one of the inventors of television, though he used mechanical rather than electronic technologies."
There is no message worth speaking of or responding to. These "people" have no information and are simply doing as their preacher tells them to. Arguing/ speaking with them is a joke.
The motivation of these techologies is not a profit motive thus there is little incentive for mega corporate entities to suck them dry. If any thing it is to counteract the effects of externalities previously unaccounted for. A large part of this will result in lower corporate profits and better living conditions for the average person.
They are many arguments for why "Communist Russia" fell and many of them have to do with Qualities of Stalin matching those of Bush and Palin. But to be honest you would not understand them. Which is why you are you. And we would not want it any other way would we? Why be informed when you can blindly follow what your preacher/McCarthy told you in the morning about the evil Russian empire and its love for unicorn blood.
Have you never heard of a rolling blackout? Again your little redneck hole in the wall does not reflect what the rest of the civilized world experiences.
No one but complete simpletons could even begin to jokingly consider the invisible hand a valid argument at this point.
You like your internet? TV? Velcro? Microprocessors? All of these were developed in the US as a direct result of federal government research. The reason why this technology was developed in the US and not some random other nation was the direct funding and research of these products by the US government.
I would not mind doing that. Except for the fact that current leases on federal land are vastly under used.
Why would we open this up to drilling when current leases are around only 50% used.
I'll be blunt. The reason why the oil companies want this is so they can stake their land grab before oil prices explode in the coming years. The government in the future will most likely have this information tossed in their face so they would be able to charge much higher royalties for the use of a good currently owned by the American People as a whole. Its not stupid of the Oil companies to want this. Its just immoral and underhanded for them to try and argue its for any other reason.
Bullshit. Go back to the tea party idiot. You and your kinda are outright traitors to this nation and are responsible for the significant downturns in the US economy and standard of living of true American heroes (the working class) . You have sold the US out to the uber rich corporate elite and the nation of China. With your complete and utter religions jihad against anything remotely intelligent. You have no place in technical society and you have no place in American society. And now you are ranting against one of the few chances we have to pull this nation out of the ditch your stupidity has created. You are the enemy of the American people.
Ya this is a troll but its damn worth it.
However collaborating too much is the same as cheating off of someone. If your collaborating too much they may have just hired the person your collaborating with.
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Thats a general patent law / large corporate corruptions / shitty FDA issue. The reason why Monsanto is in the position they are is that genetically modified foods are sometimes just that damn good. That they give the owner of the patent too much power. Once again. There is no problem with genetically modified foods.
There are too many stupids in this nation for the buying habits of the smart to influence the stupid.
Is that the source of these volcanic beads was near a particularly large( for the moon) source of water. I am not an expert but this seems like a more reasonable guess than there is as much water on the moon as on earth. At least to a laymen
Yes I have watched at least a few of these movies myself.
"Oh who am I kidding, with the tone of your post if Apple open sourced the whole of iOS tomorrow and donated all of its cash reserves to charity you's till twist it round as something evil." No I would think this would be a great thing. I have no problem with Apple they are a semi decently efficient corporation and they have made several wise marketing decisions I wish I had invested in them a few years ago. What I believe is that Apple's customers are mostly idiots and have no idea what they are purchasing.
10 out of 10 times I see any tablet being "used" is to play angry birds or some other crap little game while the kid with the PSP siting next next chuckles at the pretentious sap with the ipad.
I do freely admit the ipad has defined the market space and that market space is next to worthless as far as worth goes. The profit Apple is and will make off it is not due to the value of the market space but simply sheeple following apple around like lost dogs. Over the next handful of years you will continue to see the pattern of major electronics makers producing the ~ the same product at ~ the same cost and consistently getting virtualy 0 market share.
This is not going to be the products fault but the business managers failure to realize Apple owns 100% of the "Apple" market place. IE the individuals purchasing these are not interested in the product itself but simply the brand name. Apple could be selling chocolate covered turds and their cult would buy it up.
By the time tablets could become mainstream, phones will have completely taken over the market once again. All tablets are trying to do is fill some magical void between phones and laptops and there simply has been no historical market for this, and they likely never will be.
A good test of this will be if there is any succesfull competitor to the ipad in the semi near future . There is no way Apple will be able to dominate the market the way it has if there is any true outside market for the niche .
In that respect apple and tablets have a lot in common (next to useless)
Imperfect information IS a reason for market failure
"that's all subjective and opinionated". No its not. 100's of millions a year are spent on QUANTITATIVE evaluation of these things. and BILLIONS a year are spent as (a large part by insurers) based off these quantitative models.
"The fact is that the costs inured are long down the road and evolution as well as the theory of it will take care of those costs as they start to rise. It naturally becomes normalized with time."
Again the costs are occurring NOW/YESTERDAY and tomorrow. They have gone to little villages near sources of damage and measured how long it take for paint to peel , how many times a year people are ill how long a car's air filter last etc etc etc and compared these to locations without as significant exposure. The results of this is that there is MASSIVE damage NOW. I have not even mentioned global warming etc which is another MASSIVE although estimated cost. These other costs are NOT estimated they are measured.
The CURRENT costs each year caused by the growing terrain slowly drifting due to climate change in the US has been estimate to reach the billions of dollars level.
They are accepting the externalities. But thats due to imperfect information one of the prime reasons for market failure. and savings implies that it somehow costs more to do it the other way. The net total cost is much lower for many non fossil fuel based sources.
"Externalities are already paid for in the savings of cost of the product." That would be theoretically possible however just about every bit of research ive seen have put the costs at high multiples of current prices . In fact I have not seen any works Id consider reasonable that says that total net prices are any way near half the net externalities alone.
not that I give much credence to the hippies but the following link gives an intro to the economics. http://www.environmentforbeginners.com/content/view/47/51/
There have been multiple international studies put together by leading experts in their fields all concluding to massive external costs which are not being properly accounted for. I cant find the more important ones at the moment but http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/emerald-publishing/external-cost-of-air-pollution-from-thermal-power-plants-case-of-X3B0iiXTKr
This one concludes that there is over a 1 billion a year of damage to Greece alone. Which is fraction of the size of the US. Using that figure to extrapolate the net world wide loss in productivity is easily within the low/mid 100's of billions a year. Which is on the low end of what I remember seeing. External costs range from poor health / more sick days / the walls of buildings needing to be painted and rebuilt more often (the chemicals in the air help erode the building materials/ cars break down more often (same effect and more crap in the air filters) etc etc.
"If such technologies can be profitably developed within our current regulatory economy, then entrepreneurs will create start-ups, and funders will give funding." That is fundamentally incorrect. Man made financial instruments are massively risk adverse. Not to mention the economics of scale needed to realize the value basic research.
Sometimes the messenger does deserve to be shot. That was the point of my original message and I admit that. I like to discuss topics with people who will actually contribute some valid back and forth however there are valid political reasons for simply attacking the messenger. Discussion on politics is often academic at best. By now the sides are far too entrenched to move the bases. I admit I am part of that and gladly so, I have my reasons for this . These "arguments" are classic handed down talking points. If you are pushing them you are already lost to one side any debate over the hard line talking points is silly as they have been debated ad-nauseum..
I half assed my answer because your answer was also a half assed one. I present one example to discredit your general statement (Dont expect more than you give) . I more or less flubed on the velcro but I stand by the other three and to go beyond direct invention there is compleatly and utterly no way any of these would have been invented without the massive government research into E&M in the 20's 30's etc and to be honest I do care to elaborate more. If you dont see the utility of this when presented with at least three examples with varying degree's of clarity you are not going to become informed and its not worth my time.
Have you ever studied economics? The oil supply is limited. We are using it daily. Meaning the price should go up daily. (Which it pretty much is) Not using ours now means we are saving it for later (making money on our investment). Using our oil supply now is like taking out a second mortgage to buy a vibrator. "Not a good idea unless you want to get screwed now and in the future"
"We can't just print money and use it to pay off the debt. For each extra dollar we print, we make every other dollar in existence worth less. This means is takes more dollars to be worth a particular value, so prices go up. This is called inflation." We cant print money and inflation is good for debtors (99% of the US pop the Govt) and bad for billionaires with large piles of cash (1% of the population and China) . This is an easy choice if you dont have your head up your ass.
Its neither. Its some dude sitting in his underwear thinking "I have a 1/2 chance of dying and a 1/100 chance of saving the world. I like siting in this chair i'm not going to work for the good of the nation" Its the cowardly corporate way out. and its the way republicans want the nation to act as a whole.
I cant mod you up right now so this will have to do. Good job
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Francis_Jenkins
"Charles Francis Jenkins (August 22, 1867 – June 6, 1934) was an American pioneer of early cinema and one of the inventors of television, though he used mechanical rather than electronic technologies."
Nope I did not think so.
Sherman is one of my personal heroes. Too bad they did not let him finish the job
The motivation of these techologies is not a profit motive thus there is little incentive for mega corporate entities to suck them dry. If any thing it is to counteract the effects of externalities previously unaccounted for. A large part of this will result in lower corporate profits and better living conditions for the average person.
They are many arguments for why "Communist Russia" fell and many of them have to do with Qualities of Stalin matching those of Bush and Palin. But to be honest you would not understand them. Which is why you are you. And we would not want it any other way would we? Why be informed when you can blindly follow what your preacher/McCarthy told you in the morning about the evil Russian empire and its love for unicorn blood.
Have you never heard of a rolling blackout? Again your little redneck hole in the wall does not reflect what the rest of the civilized world experiences.
You like your internet? TV? Velcro? Microprocessors? All of these were developed in the US as a direct result of federal government research. The reason why this technology was developed in the US and not some random other nation was the direct funding and research of these products by the US government.
Go f off wingnut
Why would we open this up to drilling when current leases are around only 50% used.
I'll be blunt. The reason why the oil companies want this is so they can stake their land grab before oil prices explode in the coming years. The government in the future will most likely have this information tossed in their face so they would be able to charge much higher royalties for the use of a good currently owned by the American People as a whole. Its not stupid of the Oil companies to want this. Its just immoral and underhanded for them to try and argue its for any other reason.
Bullshit. Go back to the tea party idiot. You and your kinda are outright traitors to this nation and are responsible for the significant downturns in the US economy and standard of living of true American heroes (the working class) . You have sold the US out to the uber rich corporate elite and the nation of China. With your complete and utter religions jihad against anything remotely intelligent. You have no place in technical society and you have no place in American society. And now you are ranting against one of the few chances we have to pull this nation out of the ditch your stupidity has created. You are the enemy of the American people. Ya this is a troll but its damn worth it.
However collaborating too much is the same as cheating off of someone. If your collaborating too much they may have just hired the person your collaborating with.