But of course boming people to steal thier oil and causing a million innocent Iraqis to die horrible painful deaths is calm, rational, and virtuous, and doesn't "destroy property," because it all happens over there out of your sight, neat and tidy here, right?
Now I happen to agree with you that smashing windows is a counterproductive way to protest this, OTH compared to the scale of damage done to the world by neo-cons and their wars of aggression it's infinitesimal in its impact.
In this case I think the quote those who live in glass house is quite literally applicable...
Good job not having road rage, now stop swearing at cyclists as well, not only do they have a LEGAL right to the road but they are far more virtuous than you or I in a car with their smaller carbon footprint.
"Waiting for a half mile of no traffic in both directions to make a left turn."
How about fuck you, I'm NOT going to make a turn dangerously close to other cars you can get to your oh so important appointment 30 seconds faster. Doing a cost benefit analysis I conclude risking peoples lives is not worth a 30 second time savings and you are just going to have to deal. Take a chill pill and leave for your appointments on time douchebag.
I am far more concerned about the people doing 50 in a 25 school zone. I often notice that these people are in giant SUVs with "support the troops" bumper stickers. This indicates two things to me:
1. There big SUV means they are insecure and overcompensating by driving like dicks in a big top heavy vehicle that doesn't brake well:
2. As Bush supporters they probably support 4th amendment destroying domestic spying by using a "save the children" rational. News flash if you want to save actual living children don't drive 50 in a school zone like a douchebag.
If we all slowed down a bit not only would we save money both in increased MPG leading to less cash outlay directly, and reduced fuel demand lowering fuel prices, it would help the environment, lead to less road rage, and save lives to boot due to fewer accidents. If you do the math driving 20 mph above the speed limit in a city situation where you are at most going 15 miles at most saves 5 minutes. Here's a clue leave 5 minutes earlier and save us all a lot of grief. Thanks!
Hypocrite much? "15 year old rust eaten subcompact" is ALSO an aggressive idealogical statement against the poor who can't afford a different sort of car and need to get to work, and those who want to conserve resources by
a) driving a car that gets good gas mileage
b) Increasing the turn over time of making cars, as making a new car takes as much energy as the car uses in lifetime.
Before you haughtily condemn other perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.
Disclaimer driver of a 15 year old non rusty Honda Civic that is very tight and gets 32 mpg city which is pretty smart in an age of global warming and 4/gallon gas IMO.
That's one of the most dumbass assinine things I've just about ever heard. That's like demanding that Bill Gates reads me the whole corporate charter of M$ and entire budget for every department EVERY time I buy a copy of Windows or even if I used hotmail (shudder).
Society in both the public and private sector is WAY too complex now to function at all if we had to engage in such Tom Foolery. What's more I'm quite certain you know that so stop asking the public sector to do something you'd never ask the private sector to do. It just makes you free market true believers look like the unreasoning fanactics you turn out to be.
I am not a prude, I like Allen Ginsberg and Anais Nin, I'm an adult, and I have been on the internet since the BBS/Usenet days in the early 90s and I have not ever seen this material. So it's WAY less than every adult internet user. I'm not saying that in favor of censorship, I'm just saying that's probably not a good argument angle to use because it's wrong, shrug.
Hmmm not quite questioning the policies of the state of Israel is quite legitimate and can be done without hatred as is exemplified in the writings of Jewish writers Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, and Uri Avnery for example.
What is troubling is when themes of secret control of the media or government enter into leftist writings and they do sometimes unfortunately. And yes I do walk the talk I ALWAYS challenge that sort of real and destructive anti Semitism when I see it and often take a lot of flack in the process.
OTH challenging the STATE of Israel makes one no more anti Semitic than challenging American GOVERNMENT policies makes one anti American.
Both left and right, Jews and and non Jews need to stop making these sorts of fundamental category errors if rational dialog is to proceed IMO.
Oh we were talking about global warming? Oops...:)
That's not the point though, the point is, if eco-system species composition changes in a much more rapid fashion than evolution can respond, how will this effect our survival? Could it change say geo-chemical cycling and filtering if wetlands were to die due to drastically changed species composition + drying for example?
The proper answer is, we don't know, but it seems like a stupid Russian roulette sort of game to play with our survival regardless of how many empty chambers are in the metaphorical gun.
Serious question BTW. In the age of the Patriot Act do we really want to call more attention to those technologies that may help future freedom fighters? On the down low is the way to go IMO. Isn't this article and it responses sort of the anti grapevine?
For verily the market has deemed strangle marks on your neck to be good and Holy, it is not the market that is wrong but your lying nerves telling you pleasure is pain. For it is written in Adam Smith that the market's "invisible hand" always produceth pleasure you senses are wrong that it strangeleth you, just like when say the Earth is round your eyes are wrong heathen.
Now be gone and go back to your wage slave job before you are banished to homelessness, no healthcare, and being riducled on Bill O'Reilly for daring critiscize the Holy Market and its most intelligent design.
The undermench only deserverth dialup so sayeth Thomas Friedman for the market is lord and Ayn Rand is her profit.
I hope you aren't in the U.S. then because what you are saying would turn over a Constitutionally guaranteed liberty. And guaranteed for a damn good reason to put fear into people planning BOTH Federal government police states, and private paramilitary dictatorships back up by Blackwater type goons. A-prori giving up your right to fight is only asking to be herded defenseless into a cattle car at some point...
OTH possessing ivory is guaranteed exactly no where.
b.s. The 2nd amendment is there as a basic human right to defend our freedoms against concentrated state and private power.
Wanting to have ivory OTH involves no such basic human right but instead pure greed to poses a scrimshaw or whatever that could just as easily be done on fossilized or fake plastic ivory.
Those who can't see the difference between basic fundamental rights and more transitory contingencies are primed to lose their rights because they don't even know how much more important aright is than a contingency.
Immoral things don't suddenly become moral because we wave a wand called the "market" over them. If the ivory trade moves to the black market pursue it vigorously there as well.
If people in a hypothetical country snorted ground American infant skulls as an aphrodisiac hopefully we wouldn't just throw up our hands and say "oh well the market wills it, if we try to stop it will just go black market."
Libertarians SUDDEN lack of concern over transactions solely because they occur in a market infuriates me to no end. A POX on your accountability free no ethics zone "markets."
"Capitalist economies tend to be dominated by many small businesses."
Then outside of a third world village a capitalist economy hasn't existed anywhere in the west since about 1880 or so then when Standard Oil and AT & T started becoming big enough to squash their competitor by using shady techniques like selling below cost in markets with other competitors, false national advertising, buying up small competitors, etc. It leads to terrible outcomes like the crapulance of Microsoft, etc.
As I say in my sig question Libertarianism their fantasies about the market are as ungrounded in reality as any intelligent design proponent, where the market equals God and The Wealth of Nations the bible and don't be asking any questions son.
Until we learn to question BOTH concentrated public and private concentrated power and wealth we will just be bent over and f*cked by another set of dominators whether they call themselves the Communist inner party, the fortune 500, or the Federal Reserve.
That is a real recipe for intellectual laziness. Although I consider myself a hard leftist (left of the Green party) I often read Pat Buchanan's magazine The American Conservative and find it very thought provoking. If we can't judge articles solely based on the cogency of the article itself and not it's publisher we wind up in an echo chamber incapable of learning anything. See commondreams.org and freerepulic.com for the left and right wing examples respectively.
Oh wait did I say echo chamber I am on slashdot, never mind...:)
He mostly had to churn out his novels as quickly as possible to pay for his drug addiction.
I corrected your post, you're welcome
Scanner Darkly BTW was his atonement for that period of his life which produced some of his best novels like Ubiq, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, and Flow My Tears the Policeman said, and some of his worse like well too many to mention sadly.:(
I agree that it wasn't really Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep at all, but I think it was much better than boring dreck. The visual style alone was tremendously influential on what we now call "cyberpunk."
That would be Valis which stands for Vast Active Living Intelligence System, an interesting novel about split personalities, laser information transfer gnosticism and other PKD topics that is well worth reading.
I wish the person who moded me flamebait had taken 20 seconds and explained WHY he considers it terrible that I am worried Hollywood will ruin one of my favorite books. Hollywood's record just isn't that good in dealing with subtle works like Ubiq, that's reality.
Now I happened to like Scanner Darkly but it is a less subtle book than Ubiq and was given to one of our best directors. I also like Bladerunner but it was NOT very true to Dick's original story which had a a whole neo-Christian sub plot about Mercerism and "empathy boxes." that was probably too subtle or controversial for Hollywood to handle.
Towards the end end where they had regressed from the future back to the 1930s and everyone was so old that they were crumbling into death and lacking the strength to even get up the stairs of the hotel in the 30s small town they were stuck in was one of the most powerful and heartbreaking things I have ever read.
Their religious nutcase murdering terrorists = bad.
Unless we can overcome tribalism based double standards (yes on BOTH sides) we are probably doomed as a species.
In fact perhaps this explains why there are no galactic spanning super civilizations, creatures that evolve in different local local environments on another planet perhaps have too strong a tribal loyalty to that area and snuff themselves out in a giant war before star ships are possible.
"but they'll refuse to remove videos of terrorists killing other people."
If you "conservatives" were equally indignant about the state terror of U.S. bombs dropped on innocent civilians living in apartments or shot at checkpoints in Iraq I'd believe, you, alas you're not you have double standards.:( In fact beyond double standards you are proud of U.S. taxpayer sponsored U.S. military terror bombings.
And BTW I walk the talk and sayno to censoring either Islamic or U.S. state sponsored military terror.
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But of course boming people to steal thier oil and causing a million innocent Iraqis to die horrible painful deaths is calm, rational, and virtuous, and doesn't "destroy property," because it all happens over there out of your sight, neat and tidy here, right?
Now I happen to agree with you that smashing windows is a counterproductive way to protest this, OTH compared to the scale of damage done to the world by neo-cons and their wars of aggression it's infinitesimal in its impact.
In this case I think the quote those who live in glass house is quite literally applicable...
Good job not having road rage, now stop swearing at cyclists as well, not only do they have a LEGAL right to the road but they are far more virtuous than you or I in a car with their smaller carbon footprint.
"Waiting for a half mile of no traffic in both directions to make a left turn."
How about fuck you, I'm NOT going to make a turn dangerously close to other cars you can get to your oh so important appointment 30 seconds faster. Doing a cost benefit analysis I conclude risking peoples lives is not worth a 30 second time savings and you are just going to have to deal. Take a chill pill and leave for your appointments on time douchebag.
I am far more concerned about the people doing 50 in a 25 school zone. I often notice that these people are in giant SUVs with "support the troops" bumper stickers. This indicates two things to me:
1. There big SUV means they are insecure and overcompensating by driving like dicks in a big top heavy vehicle that doesn't brake well:
http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html
2. As Bush supporters they probably support 4th amendment destroying domestic spying by using a "save the children" rational. News flash if you want to save actual living children don't drive 50 in a school zone like a douchebag.
If we all slowed down a bit not only would we save money both in increased MPG leading to less cash outlay directly, and reduced fuel demand lowering fuel prices, it would help the environment, lead to less road rage, and save lives to boot due to fewer accidents. If you do the math driving 20 mph above the speed limit in a city situation where you are at most going 15 miles at most saves 5 minutes. Here's a clue leave 5 minutes earlier and save us all a lot of grief. Thanks!
This is a pet peeve of mine. set rant=off whew!
Hypocrite much? "15 year old rust eaten subcompact" is ALSO an aggressive idealogical statement against the poor who can't afford a different sort of car and need to get to work, and those who want to conserve resources by
a) driving a car that gets good gas mileage
b) Increasing the turn over time of making cars, as making a new car takes as much energy as the car uses in lifetime.
Before you haughtily condemn other perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.
Disclaimer driver of a 15 year old non rusty Honda Civic that is very tight and gets 32 mpg city which is pretty smart in an age of global warming and 4/gallon gas IMO.
That's one of the most dumbass assinine things I've just about ever heard. That's like demanding that Bill Gates reads me the whole corporate charter of M$ and entire budget for every department EVERY time I buy a copy of Windows or even if I used hotmail (shudder).
Society in both the public and private sector is WAY too complex now to function at all if we had to engage in such Tom Foolery. What's more I'm quite certain you know that so stop asking the public sector to do something you'd never ask the private sector to do. It just makes you free market true believers look like the unreasoning fanactics you turn out to be.
I am not a prude, I like Allen Ginsberg and Anais Nin, I'm an adult, and I have been on the internet since the BBS/Usenet days in the early 90s and I have not ever seen this material. So it's WAY less than every adult internet user. I'm not saying that in favor of censorship, I'm just saying that's probably not a good argument angle to use because it's wrong, shrug.
Hmmm not quite questioning the policies of the state of Israel is quite legitimate and can be done without hatred as is exemplified in the writings of Jewish writers Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, and Uri Avnery for example.
:)
What is troubling is when themes of secret control of the media or government enter into leftist writings and they do sometimes unfortunately. And yes I do walk the talk I ALWAYS challenge that sort of real and destructive anti Semitism when I see it and often take a lot of flack in the process.
OTH challenging the STATE of Israel makes one no more anti Semitic than challenging American GOVERNMENT policies makes one anti American.
Both left and right, Jews and and non Jews need to stop making these sorts of fundamental category errors if rational dialog is to proceed IMO.
Oh we were talking about global warming? Oops...
That's not the point though, the point is, if eco-system species composition changes in a much more rapid fashion than evolution can respond, how will this effect our survival? Could it change say geo-chemical cycling and filtering if wetlands were to die due to drastically changed species composition + drying for example?
The proper answer is, we don't know, but it seems like a stupid Russian roulette sort of game to play with our survival regardless of how many empty chambers are in the metaphorical gun.
mrbluze great sig! Read democracynow.org + amconmag.com FTW! Sorry about the off topic mod me down if you must but I had to say that!
Serious question BTW. In the age of the Patriot Act do we really want to call more attention to those technologies that may help future freedom fighters? On the down low is the way to go IMO. Isn't this article and it responses sort of the anti grapevine?
For verily the market has deemed strangle marks on your neck to be good and Holy, it is not the market that is wrong but your lying nerves telling you pleasure is pain. For it is written in Adam Smith that the market's "invisible hand" always produceth pleasure you senses are wrong that it strangeleth you, just like when say the Earth is round your eyes are wrong heathen.
Now be gone and go back to your wage slave job before you are banished to homelessness, no healthcare, and being riducled on Bill O'Reilly for daring critiscize the Holy Market and its most intelligent design.
The undermench only deserverth dialup so sayeth Thomas Friedman for the market is lord and Ayn Rand is her profit.
Windows for brain steams. Brings a new meaning to blue screen of death.
I hope you aren't in the U.S. then because what you are saying would turn over a Constitutionally guaranteed liberty. And guaranteed for a damn good reason to put fear into people planning BOTH Federal government police states, and private paramilitary dictatorships back up by Blackwater type goons. A-prori giving up your right to fight is only asking to be herded defenseless into a cattle car at some point...
OTH possessing ivory is guaranteed exactly no where.
b.s. The 2nd amendment is there as a basic human right to defend our freedoms against concentrated state and private power.
Wanting to have ivory OTH involves no such basic human right but instead pure greed to poses a scrimshaw or whatever that could just as easily be done on fossilized or fake plastic ivory.
Those who can't see the difference between basic fundamental rights and more transitory contingencies are primed to lose their rights because they don't even know how much more important aright is than a contingency.
Immoral things don't suddenly become moral because we wave a wand called the "market" over them. If the ivory trade moves to the black market pursue it vigorously there as well.
If people in a hypothetical country snorted ground American infant skulls as an aphrodisiac hopefully we wouldn't just throw up our hands and say "oh well the market wills it, if we try to stop it will just go black market."
Libertarians SUDDEN lack of concern over transactions solely because they occur in a market infuriates me to no end. A POX on your accountability free no ethics zone "markets."
AC said:
"Capitalist economies tend to be dominated by many small businesses."
Then outside of a third world village a capitalist economy hasn't existed anywhere in the west since about 1880 or so then when Standard Oil and AT & T started becoming big enough to squash their competitor by using shady techniques like selling below cost in markets with other competitors, false national advertising, buying up small competitors, etc. It leads to terrible outcomes like the crapulance of Microsoft, etc.
As I say in my sig question Libertarianism their fantasies about the market are as ungrounded in reality as any intelligent design proponent, where the market equals God and The Wealth of Nations the bible and don't be asking any questions son.
Until we learn to question BOTH concentrated public and private concentrated power and wealth we will just be bent over and f*cked by another set of dominators whether they call themselves the Communist inner party, the fortune 500, or the Federal Reserve.
That is a real recipe for intellectual laziness. Although I consider myself a hard leftist (left of the Green party) I often read Pat Buchanan's magazine The American Conservative and find it very thought provoking. If we can't judge articles solely based on the cogency of the article itself and not it's publisher we wind up in an echo chamber incapable of learning anything. See commondreams.org and freerepulic.com for the left and right wing examples respectively.
:)
Oh wait did I say echo chamber I am on slashdot, never mind...
He mostly had to churn out his novels as quickly as possible to pay for his drug addiction.
:(
I corrected your post, you're welcome
Scanner Darkly BTW was his atonement for that period of his life which produced some of his best novels like Ubiq, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, and Flow My Tears the Policeman said, and some of his worse like well too many to mention sadly.
I agree that it wasn't really Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep at all, but I think it was much better than boring dreck. The visual style alone was tremendously influential on what we now call "cyberpunk."
That would be Valis which stands for Vast Active Living Intelligence System, an interesting novel about split personalities, laser information transfer gnosticism and other PKD topics that is well worth reading.
I wish the person who moded me flamebait had taken 20 seconds and explained WHY he considers it terrible that I am worried Hollywood will ruin one of my favorite books. Hollywood's record just isn't that good in dealing with subtle works like Ubiq, that's reality.
Now I happened to like Scanner Darkly but it is a less subtle book than Ubiq and was given to one of our best directors. I also like Bladerunner but it was NOT very true to Dick's original story which had a a whole neo-Christian sub plot about Mercerism and "empathy boxes." that was probably too subtle or controversial for Hollywood to handle.
I just hope it isn't Johhny Menomiced (shudder).
Towards the end end where they had regressed from the future back to the 1930s and everyone was so old that they were crumbling into death and lacking the strength to even get up the stairs of the hotel in the 30s small town they were stuck in was one of the most powerful and heartbreaking things I have ever read.
:(
Please, please, please don't ruin it Hollywood.
Ding, ding, ding the knuckle draggers will never get that one though.
Our terrorists muderers=good patriots protecting our (ever shrinking) "freedom."
Their religious nutcase murdering terrorists = bad.
Unless we can overcome tribalism based double standards (yes on BOTH sides) we are probably doomed as a species.
In fact perhaps this explains why there are no galactic spanning super civilizations, creatures that evolve in different local local environments on another planet perhaps have too strong a tribal loyalty to that area and snuff themselves out in a giant war before star ships are possible.
"but they'll refuse to remove videos of terrorists killing other people."
:( In fact beyond double standards you are proud of U.S. taxpayer sponsored U.S. military terror bombings.
If you "conservatives" were equally indignant about the state terror of U.S. bombs dropped on innocent civilians living in apartments or shot at checkpoints in Iraq I'd believe, you, alas you're not you have double standards.
And BTW I walk the talk and sayno to censoring either Islamic or U.S. state sponsored military terror.