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Philip K. Dick's 'Ubik' To Be Filmed

bowman9991 writes "Could this be the new Blade Runner? SFFMedia reports that Celluloid Dreams has obtained the movie rights to Philip K. Dick's science fiction masterpiece 'Ubik.' First published in 1969, Ubik's central character is Joe Chip, a technician for a telepathic organization that employs people with the ability to block certain psychic powers so they can secure other people's privacy. In the novel, the dead are kept in 'half-life,' a form of cryogenic suspension, with limited consciousness and communication ability. A mystical substance called Ubik, available in spray-can form, is the only thing stopping reality from disintegrating before Joe's eyes. It'll be hard to film, but fantastic if they get it right!"

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  1. Previous efforts by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

    I hope it ends up more along the lines of the "A Scanner Darkly" adaptation (or Blade Runner, of course), rather than yet another dumbed-down effort like "Total Recall" or "Minority Report".

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    1. Re:Previous efforts by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Funny

      Flamebait. Total Recall was totally relevant. Where else would you find a 3-boobed chick? Kuato Lives.

    2. Re:Previous efforts by ktappe · · Score: 2

      Why does everyone slam on "Total Recall"? No, it wasn't "Blade Runner" quality but it certainly was thought-provoking. Meanwhile, "A Scanner Darkly" was thoroughly annoying--I could not stand to look at it for more than a couple minutes. I wish the inventor of that posterizing technique had never come up with it.

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    3. Re:Previous efforts by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Agreed, however Waking Life, uses rotoscoping too, in a far less obnoxious way (ie: more like cell animation), and is far more watchable.

    4. Re:Previous efforts by HiVizDiver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interestingly enough, the director of "A Scanner Darkly" (Richard Linklater) initially wanted to do "Ubik", but there was some issue with the rights with respect to Dick's estate, and Linklater thought that "A Scanner..." might make a better film anyway.

      I admit I don't know "Ubik", but I enjoyed Bladerunner (based on Dick's novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", for anyone who may not know) immensely, and I really liked Linklater's adaptation of "A Scanner Darkly", so I'd definitely check this out.

    5. Re:Previous efforts by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone slams Total Recall because they don't actually comprehend what actually was going on. So they hate the movie because what they think was actually going on was not what was going on at all.

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    6. Re:Previous efforts by William+Robinson · · Score: 1

      Flamebait. Total Recall was totally relevant. Where else would you find a 3-boobed chick? Kuato Lives.

      Yeah. And shooting wife...right in her head, while saying 'consider this as divorce'??? It is relevant.

    7. Re:Previous efforts by William+Robinson · · Score: 1

      Everyone slams Total Recall because they don't actually comprehend what actually was going on. So they hate the movie because what they think was actually going on was not what was going on at all.

      You got a point. They must have seen the movie in dream:)

    8. Re:Previous efforts by iphayd · · Score: 1

      Oh come on. If you want to list a crappy PKD movie adaptation, you should list Screamers. A Second Variety was so much better. Especially the ending.

    9. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all likelihood it will simply be written off by the audience, and the critics, as being a weak clone of The Matrix, minus the kung fu.

    10. Re:Previous efforts by osu-neko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah. And shooting wife...right in her head, while saying 'consider this as divorce'??? It is relevant.

      This, of course, is totally distorting the scene to make it sound more shocking than it actually was. When you phrase it accurately, "shooting the enemy agent who was pretending to be his wife", it sounds a lot less shocking.

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    11. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or paycheck, or screamers, or...

      I'm not sure there's ever been such a consistently good author that inspired such consistently bad cinema.

    12. Re:Previous efforts by Drasil · · Score: 1

      Total Recall was not in any way true to the short story it was 'based on', 'inspired by' would be closer to the mark. Blade Runner kept some of the spirit of the book, and was IMO a pretty good movie. Screamers and Minority Report were pretty faithful adaptations. Hopefully Ubik won't be too mangled by Hollywood, I really enjoyed the book.

    13. Re:Previous efforts by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I loved the effect in Waking Life because they used it more as a base, then hand animated on top of it and actually made good use of the fact that it was no longer live action. Best example I could think of being when the girl was explaining love and they animated what she was saying as if you could see her thoughts.

      Fit the premise of the movie perfectly.
      It also seemed to help guide you towards what was important as most scenes seemed to be just as detailed as they needed to be, with some things shining through more.

      OTOH, A Scanner Darkley used it more as just a form of special effects, a filter to be left on to make the movie pretty. I didn't dislike it as much as some of the posters here did, but it was much more of a gimmick than an artistic tool for sure.

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    14. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, Total Recallis one of the great sci-fi epics ever. I'd put it right up there with, if not better than, Bladerunner.

      Director Paul Verhoeven knows what he's doing. He laughs in the faces of people that believe subtlety is necessary for great filmmaking.

      Steven Spielberg, on the other hand, does suck as a sci-fi director.

    15. Re:Previous efforts by Drishmung · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I would disagree that it was not in any way true to the short story. While it missed the sting in the tail of the short story, the constant themes of perception vs reality were the same.

      I got much more upset about the lame physics.

      Yes, we'd agree that 'inspired by' would be closer to the mark, but as an adaptation of a short story to a film, it wasn't too bad.

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    16. Re:Previous efforts by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Blade Runner kept some of the spirit of the book? What the fuck are you smoking? Lets count the subplots that Blade Runner left out:

      *The entire religion subplot, probably the most important subplot of the entire story
      *The two police departments subplot
      *Completely changed the relationship between Dekar and the female robot

      The two are both utter abominations of the source material. But Total Recall was at least an entertaining action flick. Blade Runner just managed to be boring dreck.

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    17. Re:Previous efforts by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I liked the effect - it gave it a kind of alternate reality look to it which is a common theme in P.K.Dick's work.

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    18. Re:Previous efforts by Drasil · · Score: 1

      Perhaps my view of Blade Runner is coloured by the fact I was the movie before reading the book, and having read the two 'sequals' that try to resolve some of the discrepancies between the film and book. I though the movie caught the sense of neglect and dereliction from the book (with kibble replaced by rain and common garbage) and to some extent the character of the main protagonist. I think that qualifies as 'some of the spirit'. It's a shame really, while I accept that Dick's books are generally hard to translate to movies many of the attempts have dealt with this by rewriting the story.

    19. Re:Previous efforts by Briareos · · Score: 1

      The most shocking part of his sentence actually was the big GRAMMAR FAIL...

      np: Lali Puna - Left Handed Dub (Left Handed EP)

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    20. Re:Previous efforts by cyberon22 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't mean to flame here, but Total Recall is a great film and totally blows away "A Scanner Darkly". You should give it another shot!

      The great thing about the movie is that it isn't just a visual retelling of the short story. It is a tirade against the dominance of sex and violence in the entertainment industry (our collective fantasies). The director might be somewhat tongue-in-cheek for communicating this using such a violent film, but even if the hypocrisy rubs you the wrong way the focus on fantasies of violence is a brilliant treatment of the original story since it works so well in conjunction with it: the resolution of Dick's paradox (is it a dream?) ends up irrelevant to the central message of the film. Under-emphasized elements of the book (Mars = God of War) also gain new salience.

      Total Recall is a great film because it takes good material, does it's own thing with it, and puts the viewer in a paradox much like the one it shows us. As long as we enjoyed the movie, the film has us pinned. How much of our enjoyment was because of the sex and violence the film revels in even as it critiques it?

      In contrast, "A Scanner Darkly" paid homage to the high noes of the book (and it was sweet that they included the epilogue too), but there wasn't anything really original and exceptional about the execution save the style of the animation. Worth watching, but not worth watching more than once.

    21. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Where else would you find a 3-boobed chick? Eccentrica Gallumbits is to be found on Eroticon 6. Keep up, please.
    22. Re:Previous efforts by cyberon22 · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up if I could. What really struck me about the novel (which I read after the film) was the way it took a morsel of something definite (what is life) and turned it into a haze. Idiots admiring robots for their intelligence. Robots admiring idiots for their empathy. Sick real cats and healthy robotic ones. People unsure of their own humanity.

      And the two police departments subplot was also brilliant!. What an unexpected headrush for the reader!

      I never really understood what was happening with the religious subplot so am glad the film left it out. I suspect that Dick didn't quite know either, since the ending of The Man in the High Castle is loose as well, like a coat-hanger made of coats. But Blade Runner was a smart movie with purpose. My favourite small touch is the "it is finished" line at the end which echoes the Centurion's comment upon Christ's death.

    23. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL this is funny, but the mods didn't get it at all... =^)

    24. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think Blade Runner kept any of the spirit of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?". The only resemblance it had to the book was a few lines here and there. Other than that, they were completely different.

      One was practically and action movie about a bounty hunter, while the other was more themed around the apocalypse, and how at the end of the world humans will hold life above all other possessions.

      The book is inspiring, while the movie is just odd.

    25. Re:Previous efforts by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      "shooting the enemy agent who was pretending to be his wife" How does one pretend to be someone's wife?
    26. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask my ex.

    27. Re:Previous efforts by soliptic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be honest I think Totall Recall is about the truest PKD film adaption there is. Yes, including Blade Runner.


      The spirit of "We can remember it for you wholesale" was basically "guy has his memories messed with to think he went to Mars - or maybe it was that he did go to Mars and memories were messed with to think he didnt - etc". The film just made it longer and stacked more 'rug-pulled-from-your-under-your-feet' twists on top of each other.


      Also, although it's schlocky, so was PKD. Seriously, if you think PKD was a literary master with elegant dialogue and profound characterisation... er... read more widely? And to be clear, I'm a massive PKD fan. The value of PKD is in the brainfucking ideas, but the actual "texture" of them is fairly pulp. Like Total Recall.


      Blade Runner OTOH was verging on Hollywoodisation at it's worst. The spirit of "...Electric Sheep" was not "catch the replicant", it was far more broadly philosophical: hence all the stuff about android pets, social class, Mercerism, etc, which basically vanished from the film. Instead we got a simplified Cop Chases Bad Guy affair, with the MTV-esque depth you'd expect from an ex-advertisement director.


      So, yeah, for my money Total Recall is a way more PKDish film than Blade Runner, which I consider perhaps the most overrated sci-fi film going...

    28. Re:Previous efforts by mad.frog · · Score: 1

      Screamers was an underrated film -- and also probably the only PKD film (prior to A Scanner Darkly) that really attempted to stay true to the source story.

      Minority Report was an OK movie but I recall it deviating substantially from the story, both in plot and feel. But it's been a long time since I read it.

    29. Re:Previous efforts by jdbo · · Score: 1

      Wow, I couldn't disagree more - I found the effect perfectly apt to the subject matter, as it was subtly pushed and pulled to reflect the varying characters' varying states of perception/hallucination. Doing this in live action would have made the differences between reality/intoxication/hallucination bright and clear as day, and been cheesily ham-handed as a result.

      Also, this approach was perfectly suited to push the similarities between the effects of the disguise suit and the drugs on the users' perceptions, something that would have been similiarly ham-handed (or completely missed) in live action.

      Still, different strokes for different folks.

      BTW, the term is called "rotoscoping", and it's essentially a form of assisted hand-drawn animation (they used additional software, but the baseline is drawing against a frame-by-frame film or video reference). This is NOT a "filter", it's an artistic process.

      ( "posterizing" is an essentially automated process giving results looking little like Scanner Darkly or any other films made using this technique. )

    30. Re:Previous efforts by JebusIsLord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? I thought it was far more primitive (and thus eye-irritating) in Waking Life. On top of that, Waking life played out like an extremely pretentious introduction to philosophy 101. I fast-forwarded through large portions of it.

      The style worked perfectly when you consider the people in Scanner were all psychedelic drug users. They got drug use down 100%, even going so far as to hire only drug-using A-list actors. Maybe you have to have done them to appreciate...

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    31. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who also repeatedly kicked the crap out of him.

    32. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look Hans, it's time to admit that ReiserFS doesn't have a future anymore.

    33. Re:Previous efforts by treeves · · Score: 1

      Small nitpick: It was Christ who said "it is finished", not a centurion.

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    34. Re:Previous efforts by Wicked+Zen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The spirit of "...Electric Sheep" was not "catch the replicant", it was far more broadly philosophical: hence all the stuff about android pets, social class, Mercerism, etc, which basically vanished from the film. Instead we got a simplified Cop Chases Bad Guy affair, with the MTV-esque depth you'd expect from an ex-advertisement director.

      I don't think this is fair at all. The spirit of Blade Runner is not "catch the replicant" at all. The spirit is "what makes us human?" The genius of Blade Runner (and this seems to fly over the heads of the average) is that it manages to imply a great deal, leaving questions for the viewer to answer, rather than beating one about the head and neck with them, in the way -- for example -- that the Matrix sequels did.

      Certainly the novel explored the themes more deeply, but movies aren't novels. You have to pick something and go with that. The movie focuses on Deckard and the replicants, as the replicants seek the realization of the dream to live, Deckard seeks them out and destroys them. Yet of the cast, only Rutger Hauer's replicant Batty has anything to say about "humanity." It is in my opinion one of the more meaningful, and moving, monologues in any movie.

      Yeah...uh...anyway, I love Ubik and I really hope they make a good engaging movie out of it and not some hackjob made just to market toys.

    35. Re:Previous efforts by spazdor · · Score: 1

      How is that even a question?

      There's a someone, they have a wife, you pretend to be that wife.

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    36. Re:Previous efforts by Lord+Maud'Dib · · Score: 1

      Bravo. Absolutely spot on.

    37. Re:Previous efforts by zanaxagoras · · Score: 1

      The most shocking part of his sentence actually was the big GRAMMAR FAIL... ...and certainly not the big grammar FAILURE, that's for sure.
    38. Re:Previous efforts by mrraven · · Score: 1

      I agree that it wasn't really Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep at all, but I think it was much better than boring dreck. The visual style alone was tremendously influential on what we now call "cyberpunk."

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    39. Re:Previous efforts by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      They're going to rip out most of the themes and keep a skeleton of the plot. Then they may throw in some man vs. machine stuff and some other easily-identifiable themes that mainstream moviegoers will pick up on in the place of some of the original themes. Then they'll throw in some martial arts and blow their entire budget on CGI. Oh, and they'll have to stretch it out into a trilogy even if it doesn't work out well. Then they'll have to do something about the title. Maybe instead of focusing on the spray can, they can just come up with a cool name for the artificial environment. Maybe they could call it The Matrix?

    40. Re:Previous efforts by soliptic · · Score: 1

      The genius of Blade Runner (and this seems to fly over the heads of the average)

      Ah, classic slashdot. Disagree with someone's post? Simply drop a snide implication that they're too intellectually inferior to "get it"!


      Thanks for that. You're right of course. I can't have opinions on what makes a good novella adaption, it all just goes right over my tiny average little mind.

    41. Re:Previous efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they hate the movie because what they think was actually going on was not what was going on at all. so whose fault is that? mine or the movie maker? If I make a movie called "Dracula" and it has Mickey Mouse holidaying in Hawai'i then of course people are going to slam it.
    42. Re:Previous efforts by iphayd · · Score: 1

      Screamers was in no way faithful to "A Second Variety". The whole point of ASV was to prep you at the ending, which was hollywoodified into crap in the movie.

    43. Re:Previous efforts by iphayd · · Score: 1

      How can you say this? A second variety was butchered by Screamers. They took the idea and hollywoodified the ending, where the original would have done just perfectly. And the ending is the whole point of "A Second Variety"

    44. Re:Previous efforts by kalirion · · Score: 1

      From what I recall of the movie, the hero's memories were tinkered with so that he'd think she was he wife.

    45. Re:Previous efforts by AuMatar · · Score: 0

      Thats called "style"? I thought I just had a shitty VHS copy. I could barely tell what was happening half the movie.

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    46. Re:Previous efforts by Briareos · · Score: 1

      Now that's just epic fail on your part...

      At least try and get your internet memes sorted out... kthxbye.

      np: Karl Moestl - Believer (Defusion Bassdrumrocker Edition)

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    47. Re:Previous efforts by Wicked+Zen · · Score: 1
      LOL

      Gosh, it seems to me you took that a bit personally. Of course, I didn't "simply drop" anything. I made what I think is a fairly reasoned argument against what I saw as an unfair characterization of the movie. I certainly never suggested anything about you, personally, much less that you are an intellectual inferior who can't have opinions of your own. Rather it seems from your response that an opinion divergent from your own stoles the fires of hostility within.

      If you are finding yourself put out by the implication that "the average [movie viewer]" seems to miss the less-obvious qualities of art, perhaps you find yourself identifying readily with the word, "average." Sorry for your feelings, but do try to get a grip.

      Good day.

    48. Re:Previous efforts by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      There's a someone, they have a wife, you pretend to be that wife. Until husband says "you're not my wife".
    49. Re:Previous efforts by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Presumably that's when you 'divorce' her. ;)

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    50. Re:Previous efforts by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's right, the way I remember it is that Sharon was his wife, but that he later discovered that she's also an agent, instructed to marry him, so the tinkering wasn't that important for this subplot. There was also no other woman involved with him I think.

    51. Re:Previous efforts by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 1

      Yes, you just go to judge and say: "Judge, I want to divorce this person because she's not my wife".

    52. Re:Previous efforts by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      Waking Life was more like a conversation with lots of people that are heavily doped up. the kind of people that have a revelation that "maybe our planets are just elementary particles in a larger scale universe"...imagine hearing 20 or 30 different such theories of life and humanity from people in that state of mind combined with animation that reinforces the airiness of the theories and you've summed up the movie

  2. Re:First Post by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Not even that lousy T-shirt?

  3. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Vectronic · · Score: 4, Informative

    From The Summary: "A mystical substance called Ubik, available in spray-can form, is the only thing stopping reality from disintegrating before Joe's eyes"

    From Wikipedia: "This substance, whose name is derived from the word "ubiquity", has the property of preserving people who are in half-life."

    Draw your own conclusions about what chemical properties it may have.

  4. Why the fuss over blade runner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I just didn't get it, but I saw Blade Runner, and I wasn't impressed. IMHO, I hope it isn't the next Blade Runner.

    1. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by PoeticExplosion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hated it the first time too. Wait a few months, and watch it again. Then maybe a few months after that. It's a very subtle movie, which is why it did terribly at the time but is now a cult classic.

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    2. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by grub · · Score: 4, Interesting


      I watched Blade Runner in the theatre. Came out thinking "WTF did I just see?" (and that was with Ford's voiceover explaining everything!) I was confused yet knew there was something there. Bought the widescreen VHS a while later and it really grew with each viewing.

      Now I'm a diehard fan and just love it. My gut feeling hints that most big fans weren't until they had a few viewings.

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    3. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 3, Funny

      It helps to watch Blade Runner with an above average IQ. It's the opposite of Tron, which, I'm told, is only watchable while stoned.

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    4. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by bazald · · Score: 1

      Or, of course, you could have read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. That helped a lot too.

      Actually, the subtle differences between the novel and the movie are pretty funny as well. (The big differences aren't as funny.)

      SMALL SPOILERS AHEAD:

      In the movie, they claim to need Deckard to be a Blade Runner again because he's the best and nobody can do it like he can. Of course, this is after another blade runner failed, and was nearly killed.

      In the novel, the blade runner who was nearly killed was the #1 blade runner in the unit, and Deckard was the #2. It painted a much darker picture.

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    5. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The movie also dropped a lot of the plot lines from the book. The biggest thing was that they downplayed a lot of empathy subplot. In the book, all of the humans took part in a shared empathic experience, and all of them owned pets for the same reason. The book was set after a nuclear war, and the human race saw being able to feel as others do as essential in preventing future conflicts. This emphasised the difference between the humans and androids a lot more than the tests.

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    6. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I can see why you chose to post anonymously. If you don't like Blade Runner, you should hand your geek card in on your way out.

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    7. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      If you haven't seen it, try watching the director's cut. It cuts Ford's voiceover entirely, and I thought the film was much, much better for it.

    8. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by grub · · Score: 1

      Oh I have. :) The Director's Cut was among the first DVDs I ever owned. As a birthday present I received the ultra deluxe set of the Final Cut with 5 DVDs in a cool case and have the 720p version as well.

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    9. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by grub · · Score: 1

      I only read DADoES within the last few years. Had it here for ages in my "To Read" shelf but never got to it.

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    10. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      While entertaining in that 'omg-this-is-making-me-cringe' kind of way, Tron, Hackers, and other such dross have been shown conclusively to lower the viewer's IQ by at least 10 points for several hours after viewing.

      For a person who has viewed these movies at least once, it has also been shown to lower the viewer's IQ 20 points 1 hour prior to viewing, in anticipation - as the mind recoils in shock and dread.

      That being said, if you have the stamina of the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 guy, it can be entertaining to make witty repartee during the time of exposure, and also serves to cushion the negative effects on your IQ.

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    11. Re:Why the fuss over blade runner? by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

      I can't believe you put Hackers in the same category with Tron.

      Clearly you've seen Tron to many times. You are drain bamaged.

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  5. To recreate Blade Runner... by ktappe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....they need: 1) A good actor as they had in Harrison Ford. 2) Faith that their audience is intelligent, so they don't have to go all "Summer blockbuster" on us. 3) A director who is willing to give the film the atmosphere it needs. Let's cross our fingers we get all of these.

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    1. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by devnulljapan · · Score: 5, Funny

      ....they need:
      1) A good actor as they had in Harrison Ford.
      2) Faith that their audience is intelligent, so they don't have to go all "Summer blockbuster" on us.
      3) A director who is willing to give the film the atmosphere it needs.
      Let's cross our fingers we get all of these. ...and hope against hope that Will Smith is busy that week

    2. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by WK2 · · Score: 1

      2) Faith that their audience is intelligent, so they don't have to go all "Summer blockbuster" on us.

      Producers are delusional, but not that much.

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    3. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awwww heeeellll nawwww

      Will Smith will be excellent in this.

    4. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      And make sure Keanu Reeves is nowhere near the project.

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    5. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by rossz · · Score: 0, Troll

      Let's not forget to hope the screenplay writer pretty much ignores the book and goes off on his own like they did with Blade Runner.

      I never did understand why anyone liked PHD. He had some cool ideas, but I think his writing is shite.

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    6. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Coming Soon: Ubik

      Starring: Hayden Christensen
      Directed By: Uwe Boll

    7. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by rossz · · Score: 1

      Oops, typo. PKD

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    8. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....they need:

      1) A good actor as they had in Harrison Ford.
      2) Faith that their audience is intelligent, so they don't have to go all "Summer blockbuster" on us.
      3) A director who is willing to give the film the atmosphere it needs.

      Let's cross our fingers we get all of these. pick one. you may get one, maybe.
      you cant get all three.
    9. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by fan+of+lem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you seen I Am Legend? While he may be a mainstay in stupid Michael Bay films, I am convinced he can pull off a convincing science fiction movie lead. And I mean in a character-oriented way, not just being action hero-y and all.

    10. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first half of 'I am Legend' was a remake of Cast Away. Unfortunately the interplay between Hanks and Wilson was far better.

    11. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by frehe · · Score: 1

      ....they need: 1) A good actor as they had in Rutger Hauer. Fixed that for you. Hauer completely blows away Ford in that movie. IMHO, Ford has about the same (stone face) acting ability as Steven Seagal, and it sucks that he became such an A-list actor, and thereby (literally) managed to play his part in destroying the movies he's in.
    12. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      Have you seen I Am Legend?

      It must have been a very sad moment for Will, when he realised he'd been out-acted by Charlton Heston in Omega Man.

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    13. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Hauer completely blows away Ford in that movie. I have read that the speech he gives before dying came from Hauer, but was discussed with Scott in advance. It wasn't in the original script.
    14. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2, Funny

      I didn't realise that crap actors are now considered a race

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    15. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle - it's probably his best written novel. He mostly had to churn out his novels as quickly as possible to pay the rent, but High Castle is an exception.

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    16. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, Rutger Hauer doesn't need to destroy the movies he's in; they're already rubbish (Bladerunner and Hitcher being about the only exceptions).

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    17. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      Have you seen I Am Legend?

      It must have been a very sad moment for Will, when he realised he'd been out-acted by Charlton Heston in Omega Man.

      To be out-acted by Heston is not exactly what one would call "shameful".
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    18. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Jhan · · Score: 1
      To be fair, Rutger Hauer doesn't need to destroy the movies he's in; they're already rubbish (Bladerunner and Hitcher being about the only exceptions).

      Ladyhawke is also unrubbish.

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    19. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by frehe · · Score: 1

      I have read that the speech he gives before dying came from Hauer, but was discussed with Scott in advance. It wasn't in the original script. IIRC, this is also mentioned in the Bladerunner documentary On the Edge of Blade Runner.
    20. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by frehe · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Rutger Hauer doesn't need to destroy the movies he's in; they're already rubbish (Bladerunner and Hitcher being about the only exceptions). I agree, but then, one could argue about how much it's his fault that he mostly seems to get roles in crappy movies. I suspect that it, to a large part, boils down to him just having had bad luck compared to some of the A-list actors.
    21. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Either bad luck or a bad agent as I rate him as an actor. I remember reading that the infamous "tears in the rain" speech was largely improvised by Hauer (and it's my favourite part of the film).

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    22. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      Charleton Heston was a HAM - I never saw any fragility or imperfections of character in his performances; even when he was the underdog, he didn't come across as the underdog.

      Now, Will's performance in IAmLegend - wow. The despair was palpable...

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    23. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by turing_m · · Score: 1

      ....they need: 1) A good actor as they had in Harrison Ford.
      They can probably get 1). Whether they can get a performance as good as Rutger Hauer's is another question.

      It will be a lot more profitable for the studios to make your average summer blockbuster and hire a bunch of shills to rate the bejeezus out of the movie on imdb, making it rank with the best for as long as it plays in the theaters. It seems to have been standard operating procedure for several years now, unfortunately.

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    24. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by dwywit · · Score: 2, Funny
      NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

      I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

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    25. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by zanaxagoras · · Score: 1

      Now, Will's performance in IAmLegend - wow. The despair was palpable... In the audience, yes, the despair WAS palpable... that this utter chunk of dreck was made. Heston may have been a ham, but Smith is a ham bone.
    26. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by mrraven · · Score: 1

      He mostly had to churn out his novels as quickly as possible to pay for his drug addiction.

      I corrected your post, you're welcome

      Scanner Darkly BTW was his atonement for that period of his life which produced some of his best novels like Ubiq, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, and Flow My Tears the Policeman said, and some of his worse like well too many to mention sadly. :(

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    27. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by sean4u · · Score: 1

      Hey! I thought he was great in The Matrix. My friends forced me to watch it when we'd gone to watch something sold out in the other theatre. i saw his name, thought "Forsooth, there's a bomb on the bus", and suggested I'd go for a drink on my own across the road and join them later. I was really pleased I saw The Matrix. He might be good again in a similar role in a good movie. Reloaded and Revolutions don't count: clause 2. My biggest worry is that they might turn this into another example of homoerotic cheesiness that is a Tom Cruise franchise. He was all right in Legend.

    28. Re:To recreate Blade Runner... by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      he was called on to play the part of a confused guy who doesn't understand all the things happening around him, that role is practically made for Keanu Reeves. the only part where he had to stretch himself was in the beginning where he had to act like a shut-in computer hacker, and luckily that part only lasted a few minutes because it didn't really work.

  6. Please let them not ruin this by marxmarv · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Surreal movies with a bizarre plot are good. Surreal movies that turn into insipid action flicks 2/3 of the way through with vapid endings are bad. Let us hope the adaptation of Ubik doesn't repeat the mistakes of the adaptation of Fight Club.

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    1. Re:Please let them not ruin this by Lisandro · · Score: 2

      Let us hope the adaptation of Ubik doesn't repeat the mistakes of the adaptation of Fight Club.

      I never read any of Palahniuk's work, but if the movie turns out to be half as good Fight Club, we're in for a treat.

    2. Re:Please let them not ruin this by p.gogarty · · Score: 1

      Terry Giliam for direator?
      not going to happen but we can hope

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    3. Re:Please let them not ruin this by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I understand you right, you're implying that the movie Fight Club had a vapid ending. I would like to note that Chuck Palahniuk said that he liked the movie ending better that the one he wrote.

      For my part, the Pixies have never sounded better or more appropriate than in that final scene. Also, I believe that in terms of the film's intended message (rejection of the values of T. Durden), having something positive happen to the narrator as a result of the rejection is almost necessary.

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    4. Re:Please let them not ruin this by dargaud · · Score: 1

      mistakes of the adaptation of Fight Club What mistakes? The movie is very close to the book, only more fleshed out as the book is quite short and glosses over details. The ending is not too far off (you think he's gonna be okay as he says in the movie ?!?)
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  7. Misread? by ZiakII · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did anyone else read Philip's Dick to be filmed? I Think it is time to goto bed.

    1. Re:Misread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone else read Philip's Dick to be filmed? I Think it is time to goto bed. That would suck, or would it blow? -- Posted anonymously due to the bad joke.
    2. Re:Misread? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Thankfully there wouldn't be any problem with getting it stiff.

    3. Re:Misread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Idiot.

    4. Re:Misread? by greyhoundpoe · · Score: 3, Funny

      I Think it is time to goto bed. That's bad form -- you should probably just throw yourself and let the bed catch you.
    5. Re:Misread? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      That's bad form -- you should probably just throw yourself and let the bed catch you.

      That's pretty good.
      (It also may be the first joke I've seen that hinged on an omitted space.)

  8. I may be too overly hopeful, but... by Paperweight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope a gifted director comes along and makes a GOOD science fiction adaptation of Asimov's Foundation series.

    1. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by jaminJay · · Score: 1

      Where do I sign up for that?!

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    2. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by pudro · · Score: 1

      Now THAT would be a trilogy worth making! (I know there were more than three, but surely you can guess the three I'm talking about.)

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    3. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by efalk · · Score: 1

      Another old classic that could be made into an awesome movie: Princess of Mars, by Edgar Rice Burroughs. I wouldn't bother with the sequels though. Well maybe the first two or three.

    4. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by mdenham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now THAT would be a trilogy worth making! (I know there were more than three, but surely you can guess the three I'm talking about.) I think you can expect something like this around the time that we see any of Jack L. Chalker's books turned into movies.

      In other words, when hell freezes over, baby.

    5. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by Bj�rn · · Score: 1

      Jean-Jacques Annaud, director of "The Name of the Rose", "The Bear" "Seven Years in Tibet" and "Enemy at the Gates" was actually announced the the director for Asimov's Foundation, quite some time ago. I don't know what happened with that project, but I suppose it's still a possibility.

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    6. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by thermian · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I agree. The first book was awesome, but they deteriorate after that, becoming progressively less interesting.

      Asimov himself admitted that he had no idea how to end the series. Personally I think it should have ended with book one.

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    7. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by tzot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Adding to the nearly off-topic wish list, I wonder why they haven't yet filmed "The Demolished Man" by Alfred Bester. It could be kept faithful to the original, and yet be a commercial success.

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    8. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by rirugrat · · Score: 1

      It's unfortunate that Uwe Boll has been chosen to direct Ubik...

    9. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine Foundation working as a film. A miniseries might be really good though. The original books were split into shorter segments which could easily be adpated to single episodes. It would also be great to see the same treatment given to the Elijah Bailey novels, and maybe some of the later robot ones. If someone handed me the rights, I'd pick some highlights from the Complete Robot, including the invention of hyperspacial travel for the first series, then shoot the Elijah Bailey novels (including Robots and Empire) for the second and end with Foundation, giving a complete history of empire.

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    10. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People have tried to get the project off the ground many times actually. I tried to do it 25 years ago hoping to cast cast Rod Steiger as Ben Reich, Donald Sutherland as Lincoln Powell, Rita Moreno as Mary, Henry Gibson as Augustus Tate. But the backers fought and it died. No profits in toys from it either; you can't fight that mentality. Consider the execrable 'Jumper' recently, which got made instead of The Stars My Destination, a far better teleportation-themed story. Hollywood, where good stories go to die.

    11. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I would love it if they made a TV miniseries out of Wellworld. There is too much for a single movie or even a series of movies, but if spread out over a season or 3, that would be seriously great. Of course the more sci-fi Wonderland Gambit series would make a great set of movies as well.

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    12. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a ton great novels written in the 50's - early 80's period that could become absolutely amazing movies, if done right of course. Just take a bunch of books from Sturgeon, Kornbluth, Bova, Benford and others. There's enough material to make a hundred movies at least.

    13. Re:I may be too overly hopeful, but... by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Huh ?!? Foundation is one of the most boring book series ever. Totally unrealistic at several levels. As soon as I passed puberty my interest in Asimov vaned. It's in the same overrated and pseudo-important category as Heinlein. I can't see anything good coming out of it: a bunch of psychologists claiming to know the future? How exciting... and so easy to disprove at the cost of a single bullet.

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  9. almost impossible to film by GabrielF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's no way that Ubik could be filmed for a mainstream audience. The plot features telepaths and anti-telepaths, communication with the dead, time travel, coin-operated apartment front doors, people who suddenly turn into dust, a bomb blast that may or may not have killed all of the characters, and the usual questions about the nature of reality. Just figuring out a way to explain what the hell is going on will be a pretty big challenge. During the whole course of the plot, time is flowing backwards, so the filmmakers would have to build not just a static version of New York City, but one where all the artifacts are gradually transforming into their more primitive forms. If they can pull this off, it will be amazing, but its hard to imagine anyone tackling it without a big budget, and the eccentricities of the plot seem to preclude that. Its a wildly imaginative and thought-provoking book, and I hope someone makes it into an amazing film, I just don't expect it to ever happen. The one Dick book that I'm surprised hasn't been filmed is The Man in the High Castle, which has a much more conventional plot (by comparison) and would be more accessible to a mass audience.

    1. Re:almost impossible to film by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny
      The plot features telepaths and anti-telepaths, communication with the dead, time travel, coin-operated apartment front doors, people who suddenly turn into dust, a bomb blast that may or may not have killed all of the characters, and the usual questions about the nature of reality.

      Just a day on the subway my friend... Please stand clear of the doors.

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    2. Re:almost impossible to film by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Based on the description above, how can you be sure there are doors?

      Oblig

    3. Re:almost impossible to film by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the spoiler, shithead.

    4. Re:almost impossible to film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You did read it to the very end, right? I'm not sure any of it ever was a dream. Why are there Joe Chip coins at the end?

    5. Re:almost impossible to film by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      How can you be sure you didn't just imagine that post? The book/movie could still turn out something totally different.

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    6. Re:almost impossible to film by Ricken · · Score: 1

      Where's Tarantino when we need him?

    7. Re:almost impossible to film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It worked for Babylon 5.

      Given, they took 5 seasons to do it... maybe this needs to be a series.

    8. Re:almost impossible to film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and LOST

    9. Re:almost impossible to film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have read the last twenty pages of *Man in the High Tower*, right? People who couldn't handle the end of *Matrix: Revolutions* could never handle the end of *Man in the High Tower*. Besides, the temporally handicapped types in Hollywood would think it's just a ripoff of Harris's *Fatherland*, without the detective subplot.

    10. Re:almost impossible to film by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

      Ha! They said the same of Solaris - it would never be made with a blockbuster budget. But they were wrong!!!! Bwahahahaha!!

      and (100% predictably) it flopped. Good box-office for an art-house movie, but lousy for a blockbuster.

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    11. Re:almost impossible to film by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      My question would be, do you have to pay to go in, or get out?

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    12. Re:almost impossible to film by GabrielF · · Score: 1

      Out. The running joke was that the main character never had enough money to leave his apartment.

    13. Re:almost impossible to film by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      The one Dick book that I'm surprised hasn't been filmed is The Man in the High Castle, which has a much more conventional plot (by comparison) and would be more accessible to a mass audience.

      Meh, the problem with TMHC is the meandering subplots, with no real resolution at the end. TBH, of the stuff he's written, it's one of my least favorite books, only interesting because it's such an excellent example of an alternate history (his development of setting is quite extraordinary... it's just that nothing terribly interesting happens there).

  10. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... it's like Unobtainium... that they've melted on a sliver spoon and shot into corpses?

  11. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Vectronic · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'd say iots more like Unattainium, slightly more volatile, and can become Dihydrogen Monoxide in some cases under pressure.

  12. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep vs Ubik by bazald · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is largely set in a potentially realistic dark future setting, some things more advanced, others decaying. Most of the environment is easy to make real without making it look silly, not to downplay the great work done by Ridley Scott and everyone else involved. The one aspect of the novel that would be difficult to reasonably translate to the silver screen is Mercerism, the animal worshiping cult/religion of the future. So, they dropped it from the film, which takes a slightly different view anyway. (The only reason it would be difficult is because the way in which one tries to become one with Mercer is very abstractly represented throughout the novel.)

    Ubik on the other hand is almost entirely abstract stuff. In fact, it is more abstract than the Mercerism stuff. There is some great imagery in Ubik that would be easy to translate, but by and large, making the novel come to life without making it look ridiculous would be very difficult. The way I picture Ubik, the scenes would have to appear incomplete for most of the novel, from the standpoint of anyone in cold-pac, and that would be much harder to pull off. I doubt anyone that the current Hollywood industry is likely to pull it off. The best they could hope to do is to make something reminiscent of The Thirteenth Floor.

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    1. Re:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep vs Ubik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Blade Runner was a very good film and a terrible adaptation, they left out the most interesting aspects of the novel.

      My one basis for optimism regarding Ubik is that the project really makes no sense if you're not going to make a serious effort to adapt the book. I can't imagine how it could be dumbed down into an action movie.

      It's a huge challenge and failure seems pretty likely but I'm keeping an open mind for now.

    2. Re:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep vs Ubik by kegon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mercerism was nothing to do with worshipping animals, it was about feeling empathy to someone, even if you knew that person was doomed.

      Animals were not worshipped at all. They were a status symbol because almost all of them had been wiped out from radioactive fallout.

      It would not have been difficult to add Mercerism to Blade Runner in presentation but it would have been difficult to avoid confusing the story line.

      Basically, Blade Runner was 1000 miles from DADOES. No one has ever made a decent screenplay from a PKD book, maybe that's why Blade Runner succeeded. I doubt this movie will break that tradition unless they similarly make massive changes.

    3. Re:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep vs Ubik by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Animals were not worshipped at all. They were a status symbol because almost all of them had been wiped out from radioactive fallout. They were also another symbol of empathy. Looking after a pet required empathy and they saw this as very important in preventing another nuclear war. The scene with the androids pulling legs off a spider was incredibly poignant in the book.
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    4. Re:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep vs Ubik by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine how it could be dumbed down into an action movie.

      Really? That's easy! Start off with super-awesome anti-psychic task force rolling into to stop evil psychic industrial espionage types. Next scene, task force is ambushed, all hell breaks loose and the bomb goes off. From then on, tension and mystery builds as reality starts breaking apart and people start mysteriously dying. Eventually the "saviour" shows up to explain what's going on, main character saves themselves, and then fade out with imagery hinting that there is something deeper going on.

      Honestly, it practically writes itself. Trust me... they *can* screw this up. I don't know if they will, but I can say my hopes aren't terribly high.

  13. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ubik? WTF is Ubik? Ignorance isn't bliss. Combined with profanity as in your case, it can well be construed as idiocy in the right environment.
  14. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

    It's a *book*, books are these things that have words in them but you don't need electricity to read.

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  15. YES! by Luscious868 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it will turn out just as faithful as the other adaptations of his work have!

  16. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just noticed that PKD's name could be shortened to 'Phil Dick.' Poor guy probably got beaten up every day in high school. Johnny Cash should write a song about him.

  17. ubik by ramul · · Score: 1

    ubik, prepare to get butchered

  18. An astonsihly good book (warning spoiler) by mrraven · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Towards the end end where they had regressed from the future back to the 1930s and everyone was so old that they were crumbling into death and lacking the strength to even get up the stairs of the hotel in the 30s small town they were stuck in was one of the most powerful and heartbreaking things I have ever read.

    Please, please, please don't ruin it Hollywood. :(

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    1. Re:An astonsihly good book (warning spoiler) by mrraven · · Score: 1

      I wish the person who moded me flamebait had taken 20 seconds and explained WHY he considers it terrible that I am worried Hollywood will ruin one of my favorite books. Hollywood's record just isn't that good in dealing with subtle works like Ubiq, that's reality.

      Now I happened to like Scanner Darkly but it is a less subtle book than Ubiq and was given to one of our best directors. I also like Bladerunner but it was NOT very true to Dick's original story which had a a whole neo-Christian sub plot about Mercerism and "empathy boxes." that was probably too subtle or controversial for Hollywood to handle.

      I just hope it isn't Johhny Menomiced (shudder).

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  19. America loves guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    1. America loves guns
    2. Bladerunner has big images of guns
    3. Ubik might not have big images of guns
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    1. & 2. => Bladerunner is a popular movie.
    1. & 3. => Ubik will never be a popular movie.

  20. Coin-operated conapt doors by Geof · · Score: 1

    A little off topic: those coin-operated doors were like parodies of DRM. The guy owns the apartment, but the artificially intelligent front door won't open unless he pays it. Each time he has to give it a nickel. No nickel, no open. Transaction costs through the roof but hey, the door gets paid.

    The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please."

    He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. . . . "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity. I don't have to pay you."

    "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt."

    1. Re:Coin-operated conapt doors by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Hey Douglas Adams took this one step further, with his idea of doors that happily close or open with a swoosh, or something, with words that cheerily remind you of the pleasure they've had of serving you

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    2. Re:Coin-operated conapt doors by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      "I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt."


      That is when the tools would come out...and the door would come off the hinges.
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  21. Similar plot line by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1
    With the dead in "suspended animation," it reminds me a lot of Altered Carbon by Richard K. Morgan.

    I liked this book, but I'm only part way through the follow up, Broken Angels, and I'll probably have to restart it.

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  22. Destined to fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're gonna fuck this all up.

  23. Reality??? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    I read Ubik in 1970 when reality dissolving in front of your eyes was standard weekend fare, thanks to Bear and others. What I would consider to be a great movie made from this would wind up as a cult film. In order to be really popular movie, it would needs be a crappy adaptation of the book.

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    1. Re:Reality??? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      I read Ubik in 1970 when reality dissolving in front of your eyes was standard weekend fare, thanks to Bear [wikipedia.org]
      That's funny, from my experiences back in the '70's, stuff mostly dissolved in front of my eyes thanks to Beer
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    2. Re:Reality??? by mikiN · · Score: 1

      That's how the timeline must have split. In one timeline people ate Bear's stuff and realized that reality dissolved before their eyes when they took a good hard look at it. In the other timeline people drank Beer and reality dissolved before their eyes because they swung their fists at it.
      Needless to say I prefer Bear over Beer any time

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  24. Should be good by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

    Since "What Dreams May Come" is a movie about the dead and afterlife was film very nicely, maybe Vincent Ward would make a good director.

    Remember "UBIK" is not about time travel, as some have said, or other high SciFi topics. It is about what life is and one's perceptions. The story is mainly from a view point of someone that is in the half-life world, discovering first that they are "dead", and second how to stay "alive". Then you throw in a "vampire". ;-)

    There is another book call "Job: A Comedy of Justice" by Robert Heinlein that is equal strange with "reality-shifts" starting from page 1 like "UBIK", but that one in the end goes down the religion-hole, hence the name Job.

    1. Re:Should be good by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      So I'm not the only one to read Job: A comedy of errors!

      I love that end of the book.. I could see heaven and hell just like that. Too bad about Margarethe (sp?), though she did deserve it ;).

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    2. Re:Should be good by stjobe · · Score: 1

      Too bad about Margarethe (sp?), though she did deserve it ;). Huh? Didn't you read to the end of the book? Last line: "Heaven is where Margrethe is."
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    3. Re:Should be good by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Hey, I didnt want to give away the plot for those that wish to read it.

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  25. Buy the book! by odsock · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess I'd better buy the book now, before they all have Will Smith on the cover.

  26. PKD Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Total Recall
    Screamers
    Blade Runner
    Impostor
    Minority Report
    Paycheck
    A Scanner Darkly
    Next ...

    Radio Free Albemuth?

    All great movies so far, I'm looking forward to more.

    1. Re:PKD Movies by mad.frog · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes...

      http://www.movieweb.com/news/02/24002.php

      Alanis Morissette has come aboard the upcoming film Radio Free Albemuth. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the film is an adaptation of Philip K. Dick's semiautobiograhical novel.

      John Alan Simon has written the film, which he will also direct. Morissette will play Sylvia, a woman that shows up in the vision of a record label executive. In reality, she is a woman suffering from lymphoma who gets a job as a secretary.

      Morissette stated, "I am a big fan of Philip K. Dick's poetic and expansively imaginative books. I feel blessed to portray Sylvia, and to be part of this story being told in film."


      I hope they include a recording of "Come To The Party", a song critical to the book's plotline.

  27. Re:First Post by legallyillegal · · Score: 0

    He's dead, Jim.

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  28. Let me tell you what you will get by Fuzuli · · Score: 1

    As some other ./ members have written, Ubik is a very complex book, that requires reader's attention. There are scenes in the book which would give any cgi guy nightmares, and the overall feeling is quite dark, like in many other Dick's works.

    Faced with the challenge, the director and the studio would give us the following:
    A man with a group of super sexy, super mad, super funy soldiers, who are both mutants and martial arts masters at the same time
    Dead people appearing in the sky in tones of blue and at least one of them telling the main character I love you, as she fades away with a soft and emotional music.
    etc etc...

    I'd be more than happy to see this being done right, but it is higly unlikely. I guess there are some books which would rather not touched by studios unless they have a huge budget and a great cast, with a good director. Tiger Tiger is one of them, Ubik can be another one IMHO.

  29. Re:First Post by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of his books has a character called "Horselover Fat", which is apparently a translation of his name. Philip is derived from Philoppos - a greek name meaning lover of horses, and Dick is German for Fat. I think he was probably okay with his name.

  30. Finally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally. I was just thinking about that piece the other day...

  31. Script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    You all know that Dick already wrote a script, don't you?

    From wikipedia:
    "Attempts to produce an Ubik film

    In 1974, French filmmaker Jean-Pierre Gorin commissioned Dick to write a screenplay for an Ubik film. Dick completed the screenplay, turning it in within a month, but Gorin never filmed the project. The screenplay was published in 1985 as Ubik: The Screenplay (ISBN-13: 978-0911169065)."

    I have. I have not read it. Anyone knows if it is any good or do i have to have my own judgement -.-

  32. At this point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would just like to say 'I, Robot' and 'The Bicentennial Man'.

    I don't hold much hope.

  33. Dick worked on an Ubik adaptation previously... by majorgoodvibes · · Score: 2, Informative

    from Wikipedia:
    "filmmaker Jean-Pierre Gorin commissioned Dick to write a screenplay for an Ubik film. Dick completed the screenplay, turning it in within a month, but Gorin never filmed the project. The screenplay was published in 1985 as Ubik: The Screenplay (ISBN-13: 978-0911169065)."

    I've read interviews with Dick where he described how he envisioned the film. The book describes modern technology devolving into more primitive forms. He said that he wanted the film to be shot on the highest quality media of the time and then progressively worse media like 16mm film and then black and white 8mm. I'm doubting that this film will be shot this way. Amazing book though.

  34. I think that.. by streetphantom · · Score: 1

    Neuromancer might be better :D http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1037220/ Even though its gonna have Darth Vader in it.

    1. Re:I think that.. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Even though its gonna have Darth Vader in it.
      Meesa thinki could be worse
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    2. Re:I think that.. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      It is generally thought to be impossible to make a movie which could do it justice.

      Bits of it have been ripped off by so many mediocre films that it might be accused of being derivative, which would be tragic.

      You were wrong Case. To live here is to live, there is no difference.

  35. Re:First Post by tzot · · Score: 1

    Philhippos, the exact transliteration of the greek name, means lover of horses as in lover of music, good taste etc, not related to sexual love (in case you meant that), but that misunderstanding is quite common about greeks. "Philos" is a friend who loves. Think Philharmonic Orchestra.

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  36. A challenging choice... by BigJim.fr · · Score: 1

    Ubik is utterly psychedelic. Telepathy, subjective realities that border on the hallucination and a warped flow of time will combine to make the movie very difficult to render in a way that will connect to mainstream audiences not under the influence of mind altering drugs. Of course there is always the option of emasculating the scenario to produce a bland simplified Hollywood-compatible blockbuster with extra explosions...

    1. Re:A challenging choice... by khton · · Score: 1

      Well, hopefully, it doesn't seem like it has been bought by Hollywood, but rather by the producers of many european filmmakers, such as Michael Haneke. It is quite ironic, because that movie could have been made a while ago, in France, while PK Dick was still alive.

  37. Not the new Blade Runner by Cinnaman · · Score: 1

    No it will not be the new Blade Runner as it has none of the same themes.
    It might be the new Existenz or Videodrome, say.

  38. May never be filmed by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just because someone acquired the movie rights to a book doesn't mean it will ever see the light of day. It's not uncommon for rights to be bought and then for the project to languish indefinitely.

    Purchasing rights != filming movie

  39. Re:First Post by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dick is German for Fat
    You bet it is.
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  40. Re:First Post by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

    It was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS which was semi-autobiographical.

    I can't wait to see if they make a decent movie out of Ubik, but the chances are, they'll make another Paycheck instead of Bladerunner or Scanner Darkly

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  41. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

    If not electricity, then nuclear power or some chemical light emitting reaction would be suitable.

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  42. Ubik for the masses .. :) by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "There's no way that Ubik could be filmed for a mainstream audience"

    That's the whole point, you're not meant to understand it. What you do is take some Lethal Substance D. before you enter the cinema, that way it'll made perfect sense. Philip K. Dick would have made a good writer, if he managed to ever stay off the chemicals, something his own mother started him on in early youth. Notice how the women in his novels are emotionally unavailable, a bit like dear old mom. Same with his five wives. He kept going out and marrying his mom. So to sum up, in the steriotypical PKD story, we have emotional disconnectedness and disruption of the psyche.

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  43. not in this time stream .. :) by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "You all know that Dick already wrote a script, don't you?"

    No, no, no, that hasn't happened in this time stream. Similarly, Andy Gibb died of a drug overdose in your time stream, while here he's still alive, appearing on television and doing benefit gigs with the Bee Gees.

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  44. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ubik? WTF is Ubik? Safe, if used as directed
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    Ceci n'est pas une sig.

    :wq!

  45. A little more digging... by Vastad · · Score: 2, Informative
    The company that managed to get the rights to Ubik is the French company Celluloid Dreams. Ignoring all the inevitable inspired frog jokes, this immediately made me more hopeful. French cinema brought us Delicatessen (highly recommended if you haven't seen it), The 5th Element (any fellow Moebius fans here?) and City of Lost Children et al.

    You can have a look at their portfolio of which I recognise only two (Son of Rambow and The Magic Flute) and both were determined art-house flicks. Perhaps there is a cinephile on /. who can give us a quick overview of the quality of their portfolio?

    Anyway, go ahead and put a tick in the box for "Art House/European production company".

    Probably the most important group will be the team comprising the scriptwriters, director, reps from the PKD estate and the prinicipal storyboard artists. They will literally have to make the most amazing comic ever created before a single frame has been filmed.

    [SPOILER]

    To those who couldn't understand Ubik, it helps if you've read VALIS first and alot about PKD himself, particularly the period of time right after he recovered from being certified insane.

    VALIS mixes fictional elements with real life experiences of his own becoming a bizarre self-referential story with one theme being how we take reality, particularly the model we hold of 'reality' in our heads, for granted. PKD noted that while he was apparently insane, he recalled that he never once stopped in mid-thought and assessed that what he was perceiving or thinking was crazy or mad. His perception and thoughts while "mad" were indistinguishable from when he was "sane". He could not point out a boundary separating the period of insanity from sanity. It just didn't exist. There is no built-in internal yardstick despite what a lot of us may believe. Its something you model during the process of living and it gains 'rigidity' upon adulthood. When you've apparently fallen off the edge and broken that yardstick, someone else has to tell you its broken. Someone else has to give you a new yardstick. Someone else has to 'reset it/re-model' for you. In his case it was his doctors. But then, who is checking the doctors' yardsticks aren't broken either? What if they are mad too and no one knows better? The mad healing the mad? This revelation profoundly affected him.

    To the gentleman earlier who seemed to have the definitive opinion that Ubik was just a dying man's hallucinations, I can assure you I never felt sure about the ending as it seemed perfectly within PKD's twisted sense of humour for the ending to be just another misleading lie, further compounding that you just can't take what's presented to you for granted. I see Ubik as partly an attempt to share what it was like being insane. Imagine that you are directly involved in the events of the book and that when the book ends - right when you close the back cover - that you are suddenly looking into the kind blue eyes of a distinguished looking man in a white coat congratulating you on your recovery.

    But that's just my 2 cents.

    [END SPOILER]

  46. Re:First Post by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    Let's go lame... How about P(ee) Dick?

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  47. One of my all-time favorite books by zuki · · Score: 1

    This is great news!

    No matter how many times I have read it, this book has never failed to generate such an incredible and tight aura, with an awesomely strange atmosphere, and feels to me like it truly is a shining example of what the definition of mindf*ck should be about. (In the meantime, and since this thing probably won't see the light of day until 2011, you'd hardly go wrong if you went and bought the book, and read it! You won't be disappointed!)

    Along the same lines, I think that William Gibson's Neuromancer, but especially its sequel "Count Zero" (and arguably even the third one, Mona Lisa Overdrive, not quite as strong but still worthwhile) could yield a surprisingly entertaining Sci-Fi trilogy if in the hands of a capable director.

    With all of the advances in 3D imaging and computer-generated special effects, it is quite reasonable to assume that all of these renditions could be done for an average movie budget, and still work. It's more how they adapt the script that will make it or break it.

    Z.

    1. Re:One of my all-time favorite books by dsmalle · · Score: 1

      Similar in atmosphere and equally difficult to write a decent script for would be "Only Forward" from Michael Marshall Smith.

  48. Isn't the rule... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    ...pick any two?

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  49. Coins with Ube Boll's face have been appearing... by Prototerm · · Score: 1

    .. all over town. Quick, where's my Ubik?

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  50. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by mikiN · · Score: 1

    If I were reading a book by the light emitted by nuclear power not involving electricity, I would be much more worried about the reality of me disintegrating than reading about reality disintegrating.

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  51. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by mikiN · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...unless the light is emitted by a ball of gas boiling away in space at a safe distance from me.

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  52. Hope they get it right? Doubt it... by Whatsmynickname · · Score: 1

    After painfully watching the TV remake of The Andromeda Strain, I've given up hope for deep Sci-Fi movies as were made in the 1960's / 1970's. What will be interjected and hammered home into the script includes, but is not limited to (a) some theme about how we are destroying our natural resources (bonus points for global warming), (b) rights of various groups of people whether it has anything to do with the story line or not, (c) stereotypical casting of various characters, (c) HAVE to explain EVERY ASPECT of the plot instead of leaving it to the imagination of the viewers (since they now don't have any) to the point of the explanation being absurd (wormholes apparently solve all movie plot problems), (d) US Government is evil, all other foreign governments are great, (e) reporters will save us, (f) movie events have absolutely no correlation with real world science, military policy, or government policy. After the movie is made, go back and see how many movie elements I mention are in it.

  53. The Script by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    Besides being an amazing novel, Ubik is interesting because Phil actually wrote a SCRIPT to be filmed for Ubik. It's been published. You can buy it. It is, as far as I know, his only foray into screenwriting.

  54. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, I don't remember any Ubik in Half-life. Though I bet Morgan Freeman wouldn't mind having some! I wonder, would it do? Double health?

  55. Re:Uhmm... quid pro quo..addendum. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

    No, It's actually more like Unavailum. Plenty around, but none where you need it.

    Guaranteed Absolutely Safe When Used As Directed!

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  56. Re:First Post by kipman725 · · Score: 1

    what is wrong with the moderation this should be +5 funny!

  57. Telepathy, huh? Ok, better dumb that one down... by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Nobody gets telepathy, unless it's like radio. Sender, receiver, and the grunt of effort on lightning-lanced faces that just. can't. hear. hard. enough...

    I haven't read Ubik, being more of a Pratchett fan, but it seems to me that "telepath" is as good a word as any for "paranoid schizophrenic." So, "Ubik" is a kind of tinfoil hat liner that one sprays on, like Off?

    Don't trust Hollywood with this one :)

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  58. Your reality gained "rigidity"?? How nice. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Can't say the same for myself.

    But in any case, I do not think there is much case for the opinion that the story is a dying man's hallucinations. For one thing, that would obviate the need for the story. For another, it would have made any mention of the frozen "vampires" completely irrelevant to the story... but they are in fact a central part of it. And finally, if that were Dick's intent, he would have made it more obvious.

  59. Re:Telepathy, huh? Ok, better dumb that one down.. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Not even remotely. "Telepathy" is a necessary part of the theme of the book, but you would have to read it to understand why. I highly recommend that you do.

  60. it will need to be long... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Many movies, such as The Hobbit in its various incarnations, Dune, and a number of others, were just not capable of delivering the depth and feel of the story in regular-movie-length format. In order for people to grasp what was really going on, it took longer and more faithful versions before they were really appreciated. (LOTR has become an "instant classic" for example, but it is what... about 11 or 12 hours in total?)

    Ubik is not a 3-book-length novel as LOTR is, but even so, I believe the story deserves the longer-than-normal movie treatment. I do not believe the complexity of the plot could survive the typical movie cutting room floor. They should give it a good 2-1/2 to 3 hours.

  61. Re:Hope they get it right? Doubt it... by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

    counter-example: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338013/

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  62. Ubik?! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Is that anything like oobleck?

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  63. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Johnny Cash has been dead for several years. Sorry mate.

  64. "Eroticon Six" Eccentrica Gallumbits by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 1

    You should have known this was coming.

  65. Director Choice by evilninjax · · Score: 1

    Let me know when they get David Fincher, Paul Thomas Anderson, or someone with talent, vision, and insight to direct the movie. But, I'm counting on someone like Brett Ratner... :P

  66. If you actually read Ubik... by doom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you actually read Ubik, you'll find that it's an exceedingly minor Philip K. Dick novel -- to my eye, it looks as though it was written really rapidly, with an ending tacked on at random when he had enough pages. Call Dick a great writer if you like, but every single work of a great writer is not deserving of the label "masterpiece". Not that this has anything to do with what kind of film they're going to make (if any -- most film deals flop without producing anything, you guys know that, right?) because as with all the other Dick novels that have been "filmed" the screen-writers will do whatever they want to movie-up the material. The metaphysical joke that Dick had in mind (the answer to everything is everywhere) isn't going to survive the process. Essentially, they paid for the rights to a Philip K. Dick novel, just so they could say that they did.

    While we're on the subject, can I point out that Philip K. Dick is not the only science fiction writer in the world? Like I said, call him a great writer if you like, but if so there are other great writers whose material could be raided help get the screenwriters off of the dime. You could film Brunner's "Stand on Zanibar", or Sturgeon's "More than Human", or Aldis' "Barefoot in the Head", or Delany's "Babel-17", or Fritz Leiber's "The Big Time", or Sterling's "Holy Fire"...

    1. Re:If you actually read Ubik... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you actually read Ubik, you'll find that it's an exceedingly minor Philip K. Dick novel

      Funny, because I've read a few of his works (mainly his more notable stuff), and 1) I thought it was quite good (as good as Do Androids Dream..., definitely better than The Man in the High Castle), and 2) so do most other critics and readers of his stuff.

      But, hey, it's obviously more cool to buck the trend and look like some sort of high-brow outsider...

    2. Re:If you actually read Ubik... by doom · · Score: 1

      When "The Man in the High Castle" was written, counter-factual SF was rare -- it's a book that was ground-breaking, but probably doesn't seem so fantastic in retrospect. (Also, very few Westerners had heard of the "I Ching" back then...).

      In defense of my sense that "Ubik" was slapped together (which is different from saying "you shouldn't like it" or something like that): consider Pat, and her odd time-shifting power. This capability turns out to be a totally unnecessary fantastic element, and she ultimately turns out to be nothing but a red herring, which seems like a total waste. She starts out as the strongest character in the narrative, and ends up dying ignomiously off-stage (her whole-death that is... her half-death isn't very interesting either).

      (By the way, as far as historical significance goes, some younger readers looking at "Ubik" think they're seeing one of the first satires of advertising out-of-control, but 1969 is a relatively late entry into the game, compared to, say Pohl/Kornbluth's "The Space Merchants" of the early 50s. However, Ubik might be an early example of teasing the SF reader with a strange narrative that never really settles down on an explanation -- kind of an early "Dhalgren".)

    3. Re:If you actually read Ubik... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      When "The Man in the High Castle" was written, counter-factual SF was rare -- it's a book that was ground-breaking, but probably doesn't seem so fantastic in retrospect. (Also, very few Westerners had heard of the "I Ching" back then...).

      Oh, I'm aware that, *conceptually*, The Man in the High Castle is interesting, at least for it's time. But as a story... frankly, it's dull, meandering, and it doesn't have an ending. It's like a bad Neil Stephenson novel. :)

      This capability turns out to be a totally unnecessary fantastic element, and she ultimately turns out to be nothing but a red herring, which seems like a total waste.

      I disagree. The fact that she's a red herring is the *whole point of her character*. It's supposed to leave the reader wondering what's real and what isn't, which is, of course, Dick's whole schtick.

      IMHO, this isn't a problem with the story being "slapped together". The problem is that Dick found himself in a bit of quandary: he wanted to create what is essentially a trippy mystery, but because of hints early on (the exposition of coldpak when Runciter visits his wife), any reader paying attention would probably guess what was going on fairly quickly after the attack at the moon base. So he had to throw in some extra element in order to muddy the waters, and that element was Pat.

      Does it work as a red herring? Absolutely. Lord knows I was confused as to what, precisely, was going on for quite some time. I agree, it's clumsy, and a waste of an interesting character. But I don't think it's evidence that the book was necessarily written in haste (though it probably was... he was a pulp sci-fi author living paycheque to paycheque... the vast major of the stuff he wrote was written fairly quickly. I just don't think the story suffers as a consequence, as you seem to.)

  67. Re:Your reality gained "rigidity"?? How nice. by Vastad · · Score: 1

    I'd have to agree with you there. Of the books I have read, Ubik was the least satisfying to finish. Other PKD works are easier to find a personal conclusion to. VALIS reads like a straightforward 70's documentary, a mix of John Updike's S. and RAWilson's Cosmic Trigger. You can't miss what his intent was for the reader. Still, Ubik got plenty of ideas across to me hence my essay up there.

  68. Offtopic... by HiVizDiver · · Score: 1

    But I wish they'd finish the damned Rama movie already...

  69. Re:First Post by mrraven · · Score: 1

    That would be Valis which stands for Vast Active Living Intelligence System, an interesting novel about split personalities, laser information transfer gnosticism and other PKD topics that is well worth reading.

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  70. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be Valis, a novel which is perhaps even more abstract than Ubik