works for me. Take off the streets cars speeding down residential streets. Take the ones from people talking or texting on phone. Take off the highly polluting (exempt from controls) school buses. Make some room for drivers who know how to drive. I'm all for taking cars off the road for all kinds of reasons. Hell, if they got rid of 40% of cars permanently, I'd turn in my car as well (though I'd keep the minivan for family trips).
not too impressive when one considers again the revolving door that exists between government regulating and related industries. Most/all? government regulators are the lapdog of their related industry because they'd hate to ruin future (quite lucrative) careers or would hate to (gasp!) harm American Industry. Basically, industry tells government which goals can be met and then EPA sets goals accordingly.
you picked academia, maybe you should have given that decision a little more thought eh? Academic life does not define engineering either. There's also the pluses: I bet you see a lot more (and have a ghost of a chance of meeting/fornicating) attractive girls in a day than I do in a year of work life. So, cry me a river too.
So, similar to how the FDA says that you don't have the right to purchase raw milk if you want to, it is illegal for you to be told that your food products do or don't contain GMOs (only indirectly through "Organic" certifications), be informed that certain nutrients prevent or even cure certain diseases? I'd rather the government take a leadership role in minding its own business and leaving private things private. The FDA is not some innocuous little agency, they are another arm of the agribusiness conglomerate, so, terribly bad example. Got a better one by chance?
ROFLMAO You really think that? There are two teams: there's the rich people team who fleece everyone else and then there's the everyone else team. Chances are, you're on the everyone else team (as I am), care guess which team sponsors your congresscritter? Care to guess which team he/she is on?
I must say, snowgirl that I think you're being at least a little unfair in this debate. Every time I try to pin you down, you back off and qualify (in fact abandon) your responses. You stated it was a language, then waffled vigorously when pressed. You'd be slick if you were a politician, but this here debate ain't politics.
I will accept your assertion (as you've claimed some expertise and knowledge in the area) that linguists can detect lack of grammar and syntax, however, I'm not clear how some a manner of speaking having "some aspects of verbs that must be expressed in English with circumlocution" give credence to your argument that ebonics is not "slang" or "lazy english". I presume you meant pidgins when you stated "pigeons", no big deal, I'm sure you're keeping up multiple threads and are growing weary of it all.
I see, I didn't catch that you didn't think it was English. So you'd have it be treated as a separate language altogether? We'd have DMV forms written in English, Spanish, Vietnamese, Korean, Ebonics? You really think it has the legitimacy of an actual language? Does hillbilly or cajun get the same status in your book? I was not aware that it had rules or grammar in actual use, always figured it was just a slang way of talking. Are you sure that these "rules" and "grammar" aren't just being applied by linguists to help yourselves make sense of something that doesn't?
Actually not a bad idea, just require that they hire US Citizens in the US to do this work, also they should bill the hours to the RIAA/MPAA. Helps with the unemployment problem and probably implodes both the RIAA and MPAA. After they go away, start taking that money out of the military budget, another problem solved. Good one Locke2005!
I didn't think Republicans were so obsessed with slaves but if they were I'd assume it was some sort of guilt by association to their forbears. Is that where you're coming from?
I think it's discriminated against for the same reason that guys with their pants hanging below their ass are discriminated against in hiring decisions, cause it's just wrong. It's wrong for the same reason Cajun or hillbilly speak is wrong, it's just not proper English. If you disagree, feel free to bastardize the language at will too, rules shouldn't matter, right?
yeah, I'll do that. Hmm, would I have to know Korean written or spoken to carry out this simple and illustrative task? That would be a bit of a problem...
so, one is to presume that you don't believe an oligarchy is the way the world is run?
How come too you didn't bring your arguments in ebonics/aave? Did you feel they wouldn't have been well received if proposed in that dialect? Is it that you're just a fan but not a practitioner?
I guess it depends on the toddler but I've never heard any toddler speak that way. Other errors but not the ones you proposed as a natural propensity. Perhaps you got a slow one?
uh, no. It was the face of Boe, who was doing it to keep the population from going above-ground where things had really gone bad. The monsters were there to catch speeders, sort of by coincidence or something, but they definitely did not lock in the traffic.
Or maybe it was that Bush I had a sense of history and a brain that hadn't been turned to mush from too much partying and realized that Iraq would be a quagmire for any moron that attempted to take it. I'm sure you realize that ousting and then killing Saddam didn't end the fighting. It wouldn't have happened under Bush I any more than it did under Chimp I.
despite being pedantic, because one would hate for people to think *we'd wasted money we'd spent on your education (Assuming NCSU is your alma mater or current school):
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/get-down-to-brass-tacks.html
it's brass tacks, not brass tax
some federal funding right? that's why it's we.
read about Vietnam, we were there in an "advisory" role for a hell of a long time taking heavy casualties and doing real fighting. This is a bs political announcement only.
50,000 troops in an advisory role? Like one advisor for every four Iraqi soldiers? Sounds more like squad leaders to me. This is now really turning into Vietnam. Eerie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Army
really? People have time to put together a photo where everyone is smiling at the same time? So, reality and the funnyness of not being able to get everyone under a certain age to smile at the same time or even be in the frame is being lost? Is life and the attendant memory aids really becoming that sterile for people? Sucks for them, I say.
I don't understand why huge numbers of people would have to be moved into massive slums. Wouldn't it make more sense to move them out to the country where they could farm and grow their own food? Don't forget that without cheap oil, there won't be cheap petroleum based fertilizers, nor a cheap way to move food products from far away factories (or cheap shit from China). So, in my mind, the end of cheap oil solves a lot of environmental problems at the cost of some minor inconveniences. No big screen TVs, way less cars, no GMOs (too much energy involved in creating and seed reuse is cheap), no intensive use cattle raising... So less MRIs and such, but then probably less illness due to healthier eating habits (no McDonalds, BurgerKing, etc).
I really don't see a downside. Where is the downside which you predict?
Somewhat off-topic but... Where I lived, there was a huge open field next door to us (probably 5 acres, which is huge in a suburb). All of the boys in the neighborhood would regularly go there and play (marbles, build forts, dirt clod fights, jump onto mattresses from next door warehouse, etc). The forts were built with (probably illegally) abandoned construction materials such as broken up concrete slabs and 2x4s etc. Yeah, we were breaking the law being there, and probably equally so going into the abandoned electronics warehouse at that same site. I later became a mechanical engineer, I'm not saying that it was directly caused by that, but, I think I learned quite a bit about stacking things up and such in the many many hours I/we "worked" there. So, were it not for the fact that our illegality was tolerated or not perceived, we would have all missed out on a lot of fun and learning. Yeah, it seems like usually laws have to be broken by kids in order to do a bit of learning.
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works for me. Take off the streets cars speeding down residential streets. Take the ones from people talking or texting on phone. Take off the highly polluting (exempt from controls) school buses. Make some room for drivers who know how to drive. I'm all for taking cars off the road for all kinds of reasons. Hell, if they got rid of 40% of cars permanently, I'd turn in my car as well (though I'd keep the minivan for family trips).
not too impressive when one considers again the revolving door that exists between government regulating and related industries. Most/all? government regulators are the lapdog of their related industry because they'd hate to ruin future (quite lucrative) careers or would hate to (gasp!) harm American Industry. Basically, industry tells government which goals can be met and then EPA sets goals accordingly.
you picked academia, maybe you should have given that decision a little more thought eh? Academic life does not define engineering either. There's also the pluses: I bet you see a lot more (and have a ghost of a chance of meeting/fornicating) attractive girls in a day than I do in a year of work life. So, cry me a river too.
So, similar to how the FDA says that you don't have the right to purchase raw milk if you want to, it is illegal for you to be told that your food products do or don't contain GMOs (only indirectly through "Organic" certifications), be informed that certain nutrients prevent or even cure certain diseases? I'd rather the government take a leadership role in minding its own business and leaving private things private. The FDA is not some innocuous little agency, they are another arm of the agribusiness conglomerate, so, terribly bad example. Got a better one by chance?
we're all on the same fucking team.
ROFLMAO
You really think that? There are two teams: there's the rich people team who fleece everyone else and then there's the everyone else team. Chances are, you're on the everyone else team (as I am), care guess which team sponsors your congresscritter? Care to guess which team he/she is on?
I must say, snowgirl that I think you're being at least a little unfair in this debate. Every time I try to pin you down, you back off and qualify (in fact abandon) your responses. You stated it was a language, then waffled vigorously when pressed. You'd be slick if you were a politician, but this here debate ain't politics.
I will accept your assertion (as you've claimed some expertise and knowledge in the area) that linguists can detect lack of grammar and syntax, however, I'm not clear how some a manner of speaking having "some aspects of verbs that must be expressed in English with circumlocution" give credence to your argument that ebonics is not "slang" or "lazy english". I presume you meant pidgins when you stated "pigeons", no big deal, I'm sure you're keeping up multiple threads and are growing weary of it all.
I see, I didn't catch that you didn't think it was English. So you'd have it be treated as a separate language altogether? We'd have DMV forms written in English, Spanish, Vietnamese, Korean, Ebonics?
You really think it has the legitimacy of an actual language? Does hillbilly or cajun get the same status in your book?
I was not aware that it had rules or grammar in actual use, always figured it was just a slang way of talking. Are you sure that these "rules" and "grammar" aren't just being applied by linguists to help yourselves make sense of something that doesn't?
Actually not a bad idea, just require that they hire US Citizens in the US to do this work, also they should bill the hours to the RIAA/MPAA. Helps with the unemployment problem and probably implodes both the RIAA and MPAA. After they go away, start taking that money out of the military budget, another problem solved. Good one Locke2005!
I didn't think Republicans were so obsessed with slaves but if they were I'd assume it was some sort of guilt by association to their forbears. Is that where you're coming from? I think it's discriminated against for the same reason that guys with their pants hanging below their ass are discriminated against in hiring decisions, cause it's just wrong. It's wrong for the same reason Cajun or hillbilly speak is wrong, it's just not proper English. If you disagree, feel free to bastardize the language at will too, rules shouldn't matter, right?
why didn't you post in German? Maybe we didn't ask about German because you weren't going on and on about German. Why you so obsessed with Ebonics?
yeah, I'll do that. Hmm, would I have to know Korean written or spoken to carry out this simple and illustrative task? That would be a bit of a problem...
so, one is to presume that you don't believe an oligarchy is the way the world is run? How come too you didn't bring your arguments in ebonics/aave? Did you feel they wouldn't have been well received if proposed in that dialect? Is it that you're just a fan but not a practitioner?
cell phone contract is not written in standard english, it is written in legalese. Thus a poor example.
I guess it depends on the toddler but I've never heard any toddler speak that way. Other errors but not the ones you proposed as a natural propensity. Perhaps you got a slow one?
c'mon, no one saw the humor? Mod this funny...
uh, no. It was the face of Boe, who was doing it to keep the population from going above-ground where things had really gone bad. The monsters were there to catch speeders, sort of by coincidence or something, but they definitely did not lock in the traffic.
Or maybe it was that Bush I had a sense of history and a brain that hadn't been turned to mush from too much partying and realized that Iraq would be a quagmire for any moron that attempted to take it. I'm sure you realize that ousting and then killing Saddam didn't end the fighting. It wouldn't have happened under Bush I any more than it did under Chimp I.
despite being pedantic, because one would hate for people to think *we'd wasted money we'd spent on your education (Assuming NCSU is your alma mater or current school): http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/get-down-to-brass-tacks.html it's brass tacks, not brass tax some federal funding right? that's why it's we.
read about Vietnam, we were there in an "advisory" role for a hell of a long time taking heavy casualties and doing real fighting. This is a bs political announcement only.
But Korea is fun. The women are good looking and the booze is good.
50,000 troops in an advisory role? Like one advisor for every four Iraqi soldiers? Sounds more like squad leaders to me. This is now really turning into Vietnam. Eerie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Army
really? People have time to put together a photo where everyone is smiling at the same time? So, reality and the funnyness of not being able to get everyone under a certain age to smile at the same time or even be in the frame is being lost? Is life and the attendant memory aids really becoming that sterile for people? Sucks for them, I say.
I don't understand why huge numbers of people would have to be moved into massive slums. Wouldn't it make more sense to move them out to the country where they could farm and grow their own food? Don't forget that without cheap oil, there won't be cheap petroleum based fertilizers, nor a cheap way to move food products from far away factories (or cheap shit from China). So, in my mind, the end of cheap oil solves a lot of environmental problems at the cost of some minor inconveniences. No big screen TVs, way less cars, no GMOs (too much energy involved in creating and seed reuse is cheap), no intensive use cattle raising... So less MRIs and such, but then probably less illness due to healthier eating habits (no McDonalds, BurgerKing, etc). I really don't see a downside. Where is the downside which you predict?
really? I think Monsanto, DOW, etc smugly laugh at your innocence.
Somewhat off-topic but... Where I lived, there was a huge open field next door to us (probably 5 acres, which is huge in a suburb). All of the boys in the neighborhood would regularly go there and play (marbles, build forts, dirt clod fights, jump onto mattresses from next door warehouse, etc). The forts were built with (probably illegally) abandoned construction materials such as broken up concrete slabs and 2x4s etc. Yeah, we were breaking the law being there, and probably equally so going into the abandoned electronics warehouse at that same site. I later became a mechanical engineer, I'm not saying that it was directly caused by that, but, I think I learned quite a bit about stacking things up and such in the many many hours I/we "worked" there. So, were it not for the fact that our illegality was tolerated or not perceived, we would have all missed out on a lot of fun and learning. Yeah, it seems like usually laws have to be broken by kids in order to do a bit of learning.