Yeah, 150 years ago we had fingerprinting capabilities, border patrols like we have now, data mining capabilities, wierdos and wackjobs wanting to kill anyone related to democracy or an agenda that doesn't agree with their own, etc.
The list goes on, and so does the drivel. Bottom line is this is a non-story, as fingerprints have always been required. The only story here is they will be kept on file, digitally, as well as pictures will be taken: Which happened as soon as people got here ANYWAY, so they could get a fucking ID card.
Nothing can be had with a fingerprint and a picture.
If you don't believe me, stop picking ANYTHING up, don't handle a FUCKING thing gloveless, and don't EVER leave the house.
I guess refugee's better not attempt to get a drivers license, either. Nor public benefits, since both (at least in my state) require a fingerprint and / or a picture.
Fuck, getting paranoid about having your picture taken. Gee, that's A LOT tinfoil hat. Since nearly, if not ALL, of us have a government issued ID card with at least our picture on it.
HOLY MOLY, beware, all immigrants are going to be held to the same standard as..... Get this, all citizens.
I'd say with Verizon, you're pretty close to the truth.
They ALREADY have a proven, workable system in FiOS. Everyone else at the table would be like "Uh, we think we can do it this way".... Or some other crap like that.
Anywho, I would be happy with Verizon as an ISP if I had FiOS.
Force the TelCo's to MAKE every home DSL available.
Period.
There are few to no homes now that don't have a landline telephone. The ones that don't could receive vouchers for 4G or 3G or WiMax or whatever could be available.
I live where DSL isn't possible, and have half megabit wifi link to the rest of the world. I also can't get much in the way of TV, so I get my news via internet. This proved to be a good thing, as it sure has opened me up to more points of view than the talking heads provide.
But, DSL would be welcome where I live. Fuck, my neighbors have it, but Bell won't install at my house per new regulations about distances... In the beginning they would try. If it worked, you had DSL. If not, you could go to IDSL, and if that failed, they would ISDN you. Now, nothing. Tired of the headaches of the service of marginal connections I was finally told by someone who supposedly was being honest.
But DSL would work here. Tax the living SHIT out of the TelCo's until they provide it. It's doable, look at FiOS. In Texas, they provided TelCo with $$$ for "Fiber to the NID" when I was in IT there (pre 9/11). Wonder what happened to that. Always amazed me that Houston, being the 3/4th largest city in the US was SO far behind in broadband../end rant.
I found telling people my rate is > 100 dollars an hour, and I'll half that for my friend, was enough to get them to leave me alone.
Friends are friends. Friends aren't people who you let use you as much as they want.
If your friends are hosing Windows machines that bad, it's their fault, and maybe making them fix them for a change, rather than babying them, will either get them to switch to linux or will get them to learn to admin windows.
The incompetent is the fuck that goes places knowing his family / friends will be asking him for help, and he leaves all his DVDs / CDs at home. Or the dildo that refers to his CD binder as an "IT KIT". You meant your CD binder, right? I mean, most of us don't need an entire laptop, DVDs, drive that plugs into USB, etc. to install windows. Maybe that's your problem, you're an incompetent Windows Administrator.
Incompetence at it's finest. I'd place you in the "RTFM, n00b" compartment of IRC as well.
I also have something to add... GHOST, or whatever the current revision is......
Have a entry in your boot.ini file that has a restore option in it. Ghost a new image to the computer. Mount your documents and settings somewhere on another drive, and you are good to go in disaster recovery.
Except for the simple fact that you ignored the "flash didn't install properly" in the beginning of the sentence.
If it doesn't install properly, you're left with going and getting a tarball and making it install properly.
Please, before you stop reading a sentence in your zeal to get your fanboi activism off, comprehend the ENTIRE sentence first.
And yes, it's still the case, installing from tarballs, when the magicall mythicall UBUNTU repository stops working.
--Toll_Free (disclaimer, I have a ubuntu system, at the house, working. It's my living room PC, and it works OK. The NVIDIA card works 90 percent (still don't have SVHS out working correctly, with the NVIDIA supplied drivers). WiFi sometimes drops for no apparent reason, etc. Otherwise, it's stable as FUCK. Just those couple little things REALLY piss me off).
I started out with a family member before they where called MSN TV.
What a great device. Before her laptop purchase, it was all WebTV. Cam on it, printer, you name it, grandma and grandpa had it, installed it, and it worked.
Funny, MSN ad MSNTV both run under windows. And have auto-updates (which I did have a problem with, once, when the phone line died during an update, it was stuck in an endless update loop. Fix for us was to purchase the new version, since her WebTV was EOL by a year or so).
Laptop, we tried XP, Vista and UBUNTU. XP stayed. It's her travelling machine, but for basic internet usage, she loves the MSN on her 60 inch "monitor".
Look at the website you're at. Don't be surprised everyone here hates microsoft and has a penguin make love to them in their nighties every evening.
That being said, Windows works. So does Linux. I would NEVER install Linux again on my grandparent(s) computers. It was an excersize in running up my cell phone bill, staying away from my family trying to fix their "problems" that the windows friends told them they had, etc., etc., etc.
My grandparents aren't the most computer literate people in the world, but geez, seeing as how Grandma goes back to the days of operating computers for Howard Hughes, grandpa goes back to the initial guidance systems and was an installer for the cameras on the SR-71, they ain't completely stupid, either.
Bottom line. If you bash one os over an other one, you have tainted glasses on. Because each OS has it's place. If Linux was the end all people on/. believed it to be, it would be installed on every desktop and server in the world. Period. Free isn't easy to pass up.
WinTel gives you things Mac and Linux don't. Cue the OS bashers screaming Virii, malware, etc. Yeah, also cue the fact that Windows is the fucking computing standard and has been for longer than most people that bitch about it have been alive. Period. Also cue the fact that most computers have WinTel on them, most users are familiar with WinTel, and you get the picture.
Yes, linux has a place. So does Windows. So does (and it pains to say this) Macintosh. So does PDP systems, for that matter. It's all in what you want to do.
Windows for old farts works just fine. Just because a few idiots couldn't get it to work they way they wanted it to, or tried to install Vista on their 386 (which runs slackware with no window manager JUST FINE) doesn't mean it's an inferior product. If it was, the majority of the desktops in corporate America (world) wouldn't get a fucking thing done, cuz they run Windows, and you KNOW you can't get anything done on anything but Linux.
I'll sum it up for you: "As an added bonus, Linux is free. You can upgrade if or when you choose.....not when Microsoft decides it needs more money from you and forces your hand into your wallet."
Means: I'm too stupid when given an option to not reach for my wallet each time a shiny new box shows up at CompUSA.
IOW, why would you have to upgrade? Why would you be forced into an upgrade?
It's been almost 9 years, and Win2K still runs everything you or your family needs.
Install Linux. So every time your parents need help, they can get STFU n00b, go RTFM.
Ubuntu on my grandmothers laptop was a mission in pulling my hair out, getting a divorce, wanting to kill every small puppy I ever ran across for 6 months afterwards, etc.
OTOH, installing XP was easy, everything on the laptop works, she has OFFICE (which all her friends have, and makes it VERY easy. Instead of hearing "lucy does it this way, why doesn't my computer work that way", I now hear "This is great. I have the same thing as Lucy, and when I had a problem last night, I could call her instead of you!!!".
Oh yeah, I guess I should have told Granny to go to the local Linux Users Group, huh?
People who OS bash are like runners in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard
I bought a Power Computing clone and it was fine at first, right up until it was time to start updating the system. All of a sudden things like the CD-ROM drivers didn't want to work and required third-party software and the whole experience just became a pain in the ass. Y'know, the kind of pain in the ass up until then I had willingly paid more for Apple computers to avoid.
After that I only bought the real deal from Apple and things worked out well. It's just gotten even better now that I can buy reconditioned stuff that are just a few months old for huge savings from the Apple store.
Gee, sounds pretty monopolistic to me.
Allow a clone. Break said clone with update process. Force consumer to buy "APPLE" again.
PROFIT.
Yup, seems monopolistic to me. Using the fact YOU are the only one able to sell OS/X (like windows) AND making sure you are the only one that can sell hardware for the underlying OS, even though you allowed clone machines, by breaking it during update cycles.
But the ten year old in your example bought a box with a DVD and a license allowing installation of the software on an Apple computer. The fact that he can't enter a binding legal agreement means his parents can go back to the shop with the box and DVD and ask for his money back.
Clicking a mouse or tearing some plastic wrapping doesn't constitute an agreement. The manufacturer puts these things just in your way to make sure you take notice of a license that is valid anyway. And as I said, without the license you have no right to make any copies of the software at all, including making copies by installing it.
I suggest you go look at the signs in most stores. Once the shrink wrap has been opened or removed, the ability to take the product back has been undermined. Most stores will tell you to go fuck yourself.
And yes, having to click a YES, is contractual, on the EULA. Just because you don't like the fact doesn't mean you can tell people lies. If that wasn't the case, we could take our "bits" on an OEM install and move them to our latest and greatest gaming machine, rather than having to purchase a license each time.
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The De Lorean can go much faster than 88 mph. It uses a Ford 351 Cleveland engine, IIRC.
Buy what?
A VHS disk?
Or a DVD for the VCR?
You're as stoned as the parent is.
--Toll_Free
There was a time that notebooks where the only way you could remember to configure the switches on the terminal, but I'm dating my grandfather now :)
--Toll_Free
No, but I bet He's watching FreeBSD for Dummies on VHS.
Or was it on Beta?
--Toll_Free
GoVIDEO always will be producing VHS, methinks.
I shudder to think of the end of SVHS. It's a novel format by todays standards, but it has a LOT of archived footage.
To answer your questions, the BEST place to try to find a geek to be able to open ANY format, is your local news station.
The last one I visited could open ANYTHING, they had Reel to Reel, 16 track, you name it. Audio, Video, they could open it all.
--Toll_Free
The data will be kept regardless.
Try getting a picture ID card without giving up a picture. Or a passport, or anything else government related that requires a picture.
And if your scared of your fingerprints, I guess you better cut your fingers off.
TinFoilAssHattery on Christmas. Jesus Fing Christ.
--Toll_Free
Yeah, 150 years ago we had fingerprinting capabilities, border patrols like we have now, data mining capabilities, wierdos and wackjobs wanting to kill anyone related to democracy or an agenda that doesn't agree with their own, etc.
The list goes on, and so does the drivel. Bottom line is this is a non-story, as fingerprints have always been required. The only story here is they will be kept on file, digitally, as well as pictures will be taken: Which happened as soon as people got here ANYWAY, so they could get a fucking ID card.
--Toll_Free
Do you not realize that it takes a picture to get an ID card?
Do you not realize that it takes a fingerprint (at least in my home state) to get an ID card?
Do you not realize that every fucking citizen in the US has given up a fingerprint or picture already?
What fucking slippery slope are you guys talking about? I mean, for real here.
Taking a picture of everyone entering the country, as well as a fingerprint.
OOOOoooOOhhh, let's get scared.
SINCE EVERY FUCKING CITIZEN WITH AN ID CARD HAS ALREADY GIVEN UP THEIR PICTURE.
And if the government actually wanted your fingerprint, getting it off a can, anything in your trash, etc. wouldn't be too hard, would it.
Give me a break. Requiring foreigners to submit to the same thing everyone else in the country has to. Man, that's SCARY, huh?
--Toll_Free
Good.
Nothing can be had with a fingerprint and a picture.
If you don't believe me, stop picking ANYTHING up, don't handle a FUCKING thing gloveless, and don't EVER leave the house.
I guess refugee's better not attempt to get a drivers license, either. Nor public benefits, since both (at least in my state) require a fingerprint and / or a picture.
Fuck, getting paranoid about having your picture taken. Gee, that's A LOT tinfoil hat. Since nearly, if not ALL, of us have a government issued ID card with at least our picture on it.
HOLY MOLY, beware, all immigrants are going to be held to the same standard as..... Get this, all citizens.
--Toll_Free
I'd say with Verizon, you're pretty close to the truth.
They ALREADY have a proven, workable system in FiOS. Everyone else at the table would be like "Uh, we think we can do it this way".... Or some other crap like that.
Anywho, I would be happy with Verizon as an ISP if I had FiOS.
--Toll_Free
Force the TelCo's to MAKE every home DSL available.
Period.
There are few to no homes now that don't have a landline telephone. The ones that don't could receive vouchers for 4G or 3G or WiMax or whatever could be available.
I live where DSL isn't possible, and have half megabit wifi link to the rest of the world. I also can't get much in the way of TV, so I get my news via internet. This proved to be a good thing, as it sure has opened me up to more points of view than the talking heads provide.
But, DSL would be welcome where I live. Fuck, my neighbors have it, but Bell won't install at my house per new regulations about distances... In the beginning they would try. If it worked, you had DSL. If not, you could go to IDSL, and if that failed, they would ISDN you. Now, nothing. Tired of the headaches of the service of marginal connections I was finally told by someone who supposedly was being honest.
But DSL would work here. Tax the living SHIT out of the TelCo's until they provide it. It's doable, look at FiOS. In Texas, they provided TelCo with $$$ for "Fiber to the NID" when I was in IT there (pre 9/11). Wonder what happened to that. Always amazed me that Houston, being the 3/4th largest city in the US was SO far behind in broadband. ./end rant.
--Toll_Free
lol.
FedEx and UPS also get my shit there a LOT faster.
I'd rather be able to NOT have to get DSL from the government monopoly.
Let me choose with my wallet, thanks.
--Toll_Free
I found telling people my rate is > 100 dollars an hour, and I'll half that for my friend, was enough to get them to leave me alone.
Friends are friends. Friends aren't people who you let use you as much as they want.
If your friends are hosing Windows machines that bad, it's their fault, and maybe making them fix them for a change, rather than babying them, will either get them to switch to linux or will get them to learn to admin windows.
Which, ultimately, is what your doing, I guess.
--Toll_Free
Windows used to have all that.
The the Linux bitches, well, bitched, about "bundling".
Now Linux and Apple are the only companies allowed to "bundle", it would seem.
--Toll_Free
The incompetent is the fuck that goes places knowing his family / friends will be asking him for help, and he leaves all his DVDs / CDs at home. Or the dildo that refers to his CD binder as an "IT KIT". You meant your CD binder, right? I mean, most of us don't need an entire laptop, DVDs, drive that plugs into USB, etc. to install windows. Maybe that's your problem, you're an incompetent Windows Administrator.
Incompetence at it's finest. I'd place you in the "RTFM, n00b" compartment of IRC as well.
--Toll_Free
I also have something to add... GHOST, or whatever the current revision is......
Have a entry in your boot.ini file that has a restore option in it. Ghost a new image to the computer. Mount your documents and settings somewhere on another drive, and you are good to go in disaster recovery.
--Toll_Free
Except for the simple fact that you ignored the "flash didn't install properly" in the beginning of the sentence.
If it doesn't install properly, you're left with going and getting a tarball and making it install properly.
Please, before you stop reading a sentence in your zeal to get your fanboi activism off, comprehend the ENTIRE sentence first.
And yes, it's still the case, installing from tarballs, when the magicall mythicall UBUNTU repository stops working.
--Toll_Free
(disclaimer, I have a ubuntu system, at the house, working. It's my living room PC, and it works OK. The NVIDIA card works 90 percent (still don't have SVHS out working correctly, with the NVIDIA supplied drivers). WiFi sometimes drops for no apparent reason, etc. Otherwise, it's stable as FUCK. Just those couple little things REALLY piss me off).
I started out with a family member before they where called MSN TV.
What a great device. Before her laptop purchase, it was all WebTV. Cam on it, printer, you name it, grandma and grandpa had it, installed it, and it worked.
Funny, MSN ad MSNTV both run under windows. And have auto-updates (which I did have a problem with, once, when the phone line died during an update, it was stuck in an endless update loop. Fix for us was to purchase the new version, since her WebTV was EOL by a year or so).
Laptop, we tried XP, Vista and UBUNTU. XP stayed. It's her travelling machine, but for basic internet usage, she loves the MSN on her 60 inch "monitor".
--Toll_Free
Look at the website you're at. Don't be surprised everyone here hates microsoft and has a penguin make love to them in their nighties every evening.
That being said, Windows works. So does Linux. I would NEVER install Linux again on my grandparent(s) computers. It was an excersize in running up my cell phone bill, staying away from my family trying to fix their "problems" that the windows friends told them they had, etc., etc., etc.
My grandparents aren't the most computer literate people in the world, but geez, seeing as how Grandma goes back to the days of operating computers for Howard Hughes, grandpa goes back to the initial guidance systems and was an installer for the cameras on the SR-71, they ain't completely stupid, either.
Bottom line. If you bash one os over an other one, you have tainted glasses on. Because each OS has it's place. If Linux was the end all people on /. believed it to be, it would be installed on every desktop and server in the world. Period. Free isn't easy to pass up.
WinTel gives you things Mac and Linux don't. Cue the OS bashers screaming Virii, malware, etc. Yeah, also cue the fact that Windows is the fucking computing standard and has been for longer than most people that bitch about it have been alive. Period. Also cue the fact that most computers have WinTel on them, most users are familiar with WinTel, and you get the picture.
Yes, linux has a place. So does Windows. So does (and it pains to say this) Macintosh. So does PDP systems, for that matter. It's all in what you want to do.
Windows for old farts works just fine. Just because a few idiots couldn't get it to work they way they wanted it to, or tried to install Vista on their 386 (which runs slackware with no window manager JUST FINE) doesn't mean it's an inferior product. If it was, the majority of the desktops in corporate America (world) wouldn't get a fucking thing done, cuz they run Windows, and you KNOW you can't get anything done on anything but Linux.
--Toll_Free
Maintenance free?
I'm plagued by updates almost fucking DAILY on my Ubuntu 8.04 machine.
How is daily updates maintenance free?
--Toll_Free
What a load of shit.
I'll sum it up for you:
"As an added bonus, Linux is free. You can upgrade if or when you choose.....not when Microsoft decides it needs more money from you and forces your hand into your wallet."
Means: I'm too stupid when given an option to not reach for my wallet each time a shiny new box shows up at CompUSA.
IOW, why would you have to upgrade? Why would you be forced into an upgrade?
It's been almost 9 years, and Win2K still runs everything you or your family needs.
So please, why, again, would you HAVE to upgrade?
You drive a Volkswagen, don't you? :)
--Toll_Free
Yeah, make it real easy.
Install Linux. So every time your parents need help, they can get STFU n00b, go RTFM.
Ubuntu on my grandmothers laptop was a mission in pulling my hair out, getting a divorce, wanting to kill every small puppy I ever ran across for 6 months afterwards, etc.
OTOH, installing XP was easy, everything on the laptop works, she has OFFICE (which all her friends have, and makes it VERY easy. Instead of hearing "lucy does it this way, why doesn't my computer work that way", I now hear "This is great. I have the same thing as Lucy, and when I had a problem last night, I could call her instead of you!!!".
Oh yeah, I guess I should have told Granny to go to the local Linux Users Group, huh?
People who OS bash are like runners in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard
--Toll_Free
You copy the bits into the machine when you boot it up.
If you are making the software run on non-approved hardware, then you are committing copy protection violation.
--Toll_Free
Me too.
I bought a Power Computing clone and it was fine at first, right up until it was time to start updating the system. All of a sudden things like the CD-ROM drivers didn't want to work and required third-party software and the whole experience just became a pain in the ass. Y'know, the kind of pain in the ass up until then I had willingly paid more for Apple computers to avoid.
After that I only bought the real deal from Apple and things worked out well. It's just gotten even better now that I can buy reconditioned stuff that are just a few months old for huge savings from the Apple store.
Gee, sounds pretty monopolistic to me.
Allow a clone.
Break said clone with update process.
Force consumer to buy "APPLE" again.
PROFIT.
Yup, seems monopolistic to me. Using the fact YOU are the only one able to sell OS/X (like windows) AND making sure you are the only one that can sell hardware for the underlying OS, even though you allowed clone machines, by breaking it during update cycles.
Apple should have been closed for that bullshit.
--Toll_Free
But the ten year old in your example bought a box with a DVD and a license allowing installation of the software on an Apple computer. The fact that he can't enter a binding legal agreement means his parents can go back to the shop with the box and DVD and ask for his money back.
Clicking a mouse or tearing some plastic wrapping doesn't constitute an agreement. The manufacturer puts these things just in your way to make sure you take notice of a license that is valid anyway. And as I said, without the license you have no right to make any copies of the software at all, including making copies by installing it.
I suggest you go look at the signs in most stores. Once the shrink wrap has been opened or removed, the ability to take the product back has been undermined. Most stores will tell you to go fuck yourself.
And yes, having to click a YES, is contractual, on the EULA. Just because you don't like the fact doesn't mean you can tell people lies. If that wasn't the case, we could take our "bits" on an OEM install and move them to our latest and greatest gaming machine, rather than having to purchase a license each time.
--Toll_Free