Ok... Right from the source: We know that security by obscurity is not the best solution to the problem, however, we have not been able to find a good solution that will allow us to go entirely open source. We are happy to take suggestions though, so if you have any good ideas on how we can go entirely open source and still be confident in the return packets, we would love to hear.
Right now, Seti@home seems to be going through a lot of the same growing pains that Distributed.net went throught a couple years ago. Distributed.net hasn't had problems with issuing duplicate keyblocks, but we have had the problems with stats, bandwidth, and many other issues. Its a shame seti refused the Distributed.net offer to join projects. They might be doing better now...
Ironic if you ask me. They have a large ammount of corporate backing and are having tons of problems (which started when their network of users was far smaller then the distributed.net userbase), yet distributed.net is entirely vollenteer based with very little funding and doesn't have too much trouble with bandwidth and network stability.
root@paranor#lsmod... tulip 23568 2... Seems that at least the tulip module handles both tulip based cards in my machine with only one copy... didn't have to tell it there were two either... Oh, these cards are also slightly different too (don't feel like finding the model nums for both...).
Moral: Multiple network card "support" depends on the cards and the drivers. Some are easy, some are not.
While we do need to fight back, please do not slur any company names. Slurring the competitions trade names just make our position look weak and immature.
I *really* need to get moving and write the Linux advocacy feature I meant to write over a month ago....
Quite entertaining... especially the part that read something like "Companies like RedHat, Caldera, and Debian sell....". Too bad debian doesn't sell anything. I'm really curious how they came up with that one...
It should be noted that OSS is not likely to ever die. It may go "under cover" again, but it will not die. There are always people that will be using and developing OSS (or similar). Look at *BSD. They don't get any notice, yet it is still being developed and used. I hope that *BSD doesn't get much press, just like I hope debian doesn't get much press. The less "newbie" notice, the more focused development can stay.
It lists the price in the FAQ. You can also preorder it (like I did a few weeks ago) using the "Order Online" link. Loki lists the suggested retail at $49.95.
APT is a rather nice package managment tool. The following two commands will upgrade your system to the latest binaries (that are in the stable distribution by default):
apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
If you don't want new packages (that would be default on for a new install) added, you can use 'upgrade' instead of 'dist-upgrade' above. It automatically downloads all the.deb files it needs and then installs the new packages in the correct order.
Well said. Of course saying that "[insert favorite competitor here] sucks" has the same effect. Maybe someday open source as a whole will actually realize this.
As if it weren't obvious before, now it is even more so. Anyone that can stand and say with a straight face that microsoft does not hold monopoly power has got to be blind. I'm wondering if a few thousand plesant emails from the slashdot community to Micron and Gateway would be enough to change their minds. I'm sending them each a message and encourage everyone else to as well.
Distributions are for the weak. I build everything by hand.
Building everything by hand is great if you have to time to do it, however, it does take a lot of time that could be better used on code. That said, I hope RedHat gets their act together and gets back on the quality train. While they aren't the only distribution, they do tend to be the most visible (and the one that gets picked on), so for them to lax in quality is really a hit for everyone.
You mean follow Debian's example (ok... maybe not the time-frame on slink...). Debian always has the unstable tree as a "release", it just isn't publicized as much.
No... Microsoft wouldn't win that case. Staroffice/Corel have been giving their linux stuff away for a long time. Corel WP is free for non-commercial usage. StarOffice has a free demo. I don't recall if the demo expires, but after the demo, you buy the product from them for something like $99. This is not something Corel/StarDivision started to run competitors off the market, and therefore is not subject to the conditions that microsoft is being subjected to. Netscape had been around for a considerable ammount of time before microsoft came around and gave away + advertised internet explorer.
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I don't think they are planning to put the thing into orbit through an astroid belt. This is obviously not something that has been a concern with the current sattelites and the international space station.
Doesn't support alpha? I guess thats why there is a little star on the Walnut Creek CD Set that says: "Now with DEC Alpha SMP support, and ELF binaries!"
I havn't actually done a system myself, but I would imagine that the DIY method would require a pretty large ammount of HD space, at least while things were being compiled and setup...
Oviously it isn't running the latest service pack.... Guess you better not let anyone find out where they are... there have been at least 10 different DOS attacks via TCP/IP alone over the last couple years. Some that come to mind: WinNuke, Land, and Teardrop.
The only reason my linux servers are ever rebooted is for kernel upgrades or hardware changes.
There are v1.3 machines all over the place that have been up > 2 years. I think Cox or Raymond (forget which) has a machine nearing 3 years uptime. Running continuously since the kernel was released is pretty common. Big thing that keeps my uptime low is my taste for new kernels:P As soon as the 2.3 development gets underway, I may never have a need to reboot again. Some people have built a kernel upgrade method that does not require rebooting... just about 10 seconds inaccessibility while the kernel swaps itself with the new one. Lets see an NT Service pack do that!
I liked the part towards the end where he contradicts the rest of the article. Lets see here... get all the Linux people worked up by saying linux sucks and isn't competition, then we can call it competition again....
As for excelent coders "working" for free, he just needs to hang around the open source community a while. Money isn't everything. Besides, it is possible, and even pretty easy, to get paid for coding open source.
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Ok... Right from the source: We know that security by obscurity is not the best solution to the problem, however, we have not been able to find a good solution that will allow us to go entirely open source. We are happy to take suggestions though, so if you have any good ideas on how we can go entirely open source and still be confident in the return packets, we would love to hear.
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Right now, Seti@home seems to be going through a lot of the same growing pains that Distributed.net went throught a couple years ago. Distributed.net hasn't had problems with issuing duplicate keyblocks, but we have had the problems with stats, bandwidth, and many other issues. Its a shame seti refused the Distributed.net offer to join projects. They might be doing better now...
Ironic if you ask me. They have a large ammount of corporate backing and are having tons of problems (which started when their network of users was far smaller then the distributed.net userbase), yet distributed.net is entirely vollenteer based with very little funding and doesn't have too much trouble with bandwidth and network stability.
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Lets do it. Who out there has the contacts to get something like this moving?
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Moral: Multiple network card "support" depends on the cards and the drivers. Some are easy, some are not.
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While we do need to fight back, please do not slur any company names. Slurring the competitions trade names just make our position look weak and immature.
I *really* need to get moving and write the Linux advocacy feature I meant to write over a month ago....
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As of this morning at hot100.com, slashdot is ranking at #28. Pretty impressive for a single machine web site.
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Quite entertaining... especially the part that read something like "Companies like RedHat, Caldera, and Debian sell ....". Too bad debian doesn't sell anything. I'm really curious how they came up with that one...
It should be noted that OSS is not likely to ever die. It may go "under cover" again, but it will not die. There are always people that will be using and developing OSS (or similar). Look at *BSD. They don't get any notice, yet it is still being developed and used. I hope that *BSD doesn't get much press, just like I hope debian doesn't get much press. The less "newbie" notice, the more focused development can stay.
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It lists the price in the FAQ. You can also preorder it (like I did a few weeks ago) using the "Order Online" link. Loki lists the suggested retail at $49.95.
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The official vote is probably going to be a debian developers only type vote like it was for the debian constitution.
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apt-get update
If you don't want new packages (that would be default on for a new install) added, you can use 'upgrade' instead of 'dist-upgrade' above.apt-get dist-upgrade
It automatically downloads all the
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Didn't microsoft charge for win98? That was mostly bugfixes to win95. Why shouldn't they charge for more bug fixes.
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Well said. Of course saying that "[insert favorite competitor here] sucks" has the same effect. Maybe someday open source as a whole will actually realize this.
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I guess the stage light falling from the top of the dome roughly 10 minutes into it wouldn't give things away then....
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As if it weren't obvious before, now it is even more so. Anyone that can stand and say with a straight face that microsoft does not hold monopoly power has got to be blind. I'm wondering if a few thousand plesant emails from the slashdot community to Micron and Gateway would be enough to change their minds. I'm sending them each a message and encourage everyone else to as well.
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Do you have any pics that you could post? I would be interested in seeing pics and perhaps a "journal"/plans for building one.
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Building everything by hand is great if you have to time to do it, however, it does take a lot of time that could be better used on code.
That said, I hope RedHat gets their act together and gets back on the quality train. While they aren't the only distribution, they do tend to be the most visible (and the one that gets picked on), so for them to lax in quality is really a hit for everyone.
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You mean follow Debian's example (ok... maybe not the time-frame on slink...). Debian always has the unstable tree as a "release", it just isn't publicized as much.
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No... Microsoft wouldn't win that case. Staroffice/Corel have been giving their linux stuff away for a long time. Corel WP is free for non-commercial usage. StarOffice has a free demo. I don't recall if the demo expires, but after the demo, you buy the product from them for something like $99.
This is not something Corel/StarDivision started to run competitors off the market, and therefore is not subject to the conditions that microsoft is being subjected to.
Netscape had been around for a considerable ammount of time before microsoft came around and gave away + advertised internet explorer.
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I don't think they are planning to put the thing into orbit through an astroid belt. This is obviously not something that has been a concern with the current sattelites and the international space station.
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I was doing good to keep one NT machine running for more then a week consistantly. And yes, I do know how to keep machines stable.
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Doesn't support alpha? I guess thats why there is a little star on the Walnut Creek CD Set that says: "Now with DEC Alpha SMP support, and ELF binaries!"
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I havn't actually done a system myself, but I would imagine that the DIY method would require a pretty large ammount of HD space, at least while things were being compiled and setup...
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Oviously it isn't running the latest service pack.... Guess you better not let anyone find out where they are... there have been at least 10 different DOS attacks via TCP/IP alone over the last couple years. Some that come to mind: WinNuke, Land, and Teardrop.
:P As soon as the 2.3 development gets underway, I may never have a need to reboot again. Some people have built a kernel upgrade method that does not require rebooting... just about 10 seconds inaccessibility while the kernel swaps itself with the new one. Lets see an NT Service pack do that!
The only reason my linux servers are ever rebooted is for kernel upgrades or hardware changes.
There are v1.3 machines all over the place that have been up > 2 years. I think Cox or Raymond (forget which) has a machine nearing 3 years uptime. Running continuously since the kernel was released is pretty common. Big thing that keeps my uptime low is my taste for new kernels
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I liked the part towards the end where he contradicts the rest of the article. Lets see here... get all the Linux people worked up by saying linux sucks and isn't competition, then we can call it competition again....
As for excelent coders "working" for free, he just needs to hang around the open source community a while. Money isn't everything. Besides, it is possible, and even pretty easy, to get paid for coding open source.
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