>>What were you drinking when you typed this? How many Jews HAD guns to confiscate?
The jews of the Warsaw ghetto had approx. 10 pistols. Those pistols kept the Nazis at bay for nearly 2 weeks, they had to burn the Warsaw ghetto to the ground to get them out. Not too shabby huh?
>>There is strong gun control all over EU and this kind of event as reported here would seem unacceptable here too. Thank you.
What is legal in the EU, and what is tolerable in the EU has NOTHING to do with that is legal and tolerable in the US. Whether or not you think it should be there, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is included in the US constitution.
Whether or not it should be repealed is another issue.
Besides, you missed his point. His point is that law abiding citizens here in the US have had to face this sort of thing for YEARS, why does it mae/. headlines not because it's an electronics company?
why is this such a big deal? Because it was an "electronics" company? The feds have been overzealous in enforcement of certain laws in the past, especially in the months before an ELECTION YEAR.
Federal agents have done things as low as shooting a naked man in his bathtub, awakened a woman at 4 a.m. and shot her when she tried to protect herself, slammed pregnant women into walls; abdomen first, stomped kittens to death, shot a 14 year old boy in the back with a 9mm submachinegun as he ran away, shot an unarmed woman in the face as she held her baby in her arms, and I could go on for hours about this.
Why does this case warrant our interest? Because their kits sparked interest in people to become engineers? So what? These guys have to investigate every legitimate claim that they get. What are the supposed to do, walk up to the front door and say "Hey, are you guys doing anything illegal in there? Oh, ok, we'll be leaving then." No, the purpose of the warrant is so that they can examine private proterty to determine if there is something illegal going on.
If it turns out that they did nothing wrong, then they'll get their equipment back. If not, then they sue.
Feds intimidating someone and in general being dickheads is not a reason for all of this outrage. Were they smashing the joint up? Were they pushing people around?
Relax, haven't you people ever dealt with law enforcement types before?
The bastardization of that term is indicative of a clueless society. Today people think that means that only bad, slimy people become lawyers. When Shakespear originally wrote that line, law was the most noble of professions.
Only the wise, knowledgeable, and fair were laywers, that line is supposed to confer that the best way to demoralize and destroy a people is to kill off the brightest, most shining examples of what goodness is supposed to be.
This may be semi-off topic, but I think that sometimes lawyers get a bad rap when it's their clients who are the true scumbags. I don't blame the RIAA's lawyers for their MP3 insanity, I blame the RIAA. It's just a shame for lawyers that the most high profile members of their profession are now Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Those among us who ignore the possibility of NBC terrorism are called unprepared and those of us who prepare ourselves are watched by the FBI & BATF and called extremists.
Having an NBC suit and gas mask buried at the back of the closet is a good idea for anyone, but so few people do it that even a moronic terrorist is going to be able to do a lot of damage to the general population with minimal effort.
JFK Jr. He dies because of his own stupidity. He didn't have the necessary amount of experience to pilot a plane under the conditions of when he crashed.
I believe that he was intentionally left out because of who he was. His act was one of blatent and stinging stupidity and he should get a Darwin award for it.
I don't see this as an exploit of any kind, in the US it might have even bee possible to do this because.
1. M$ owns the rights to Windows x.x, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windoes 2000, Windows NT and they're all OSes.
2. If you want to produce a product with a similar name but not the same type of product there is no chance of confusing the consumer and there is no legal recourse that M$ can take if the name is different.
3. This type of think could have occurred in just about any country, not just Russia.
Oooooh, rough tough Anonymous Coward. It's morons like you who though that the earth was flat for thousands of years even when there was proof that it was not. The ancient Greeks and Egyptians knew that the earth was round, but "cool" people like you convienently forgot about it just because it made things simpler to go with what was easy and trendy.
Get your head out of your ass.
BTW the earth revolves around the sun, NOT the other way 'round.
What keeps me here in the 'burgh is a multifaceted jewel. I've got my friends, my family, and the fact that my wife and I just bought a house less than 2 miles from where I went to high school.
I've heard my friends say that "there's nothing to do here" as the reason why they want to leave Pittsburgh. I've told them that that is bullshit. If you go to the south side you can party untill your legs fall off. If you want education you've got Pitt, CMU, Robert Morris, Chatham, and CCAC. You've got Fore systems, Alcoa, USX, Westinghouse, GT-Systems (the pgh geek's holy grail) and the various colleges/universities providing good paying jobs.
This city isn't perfect, but it's just as good as any other medium sized city for IT professionals. If you've got yhe knowledge/experience you can make 60k+ per year as an entry level IT professional. If you get in on the South Side that I mentioned earlier there is a good chance that you can get a tee shirt and jeans job making 40k per year to start.
People at circuit city can make 45k per year in this city. I used to work with one who did. When I finish my degree (hopefully next year) I should add 10-15k to my yearly income without leaving the city.
This city found a way to get nearly half a BILLION dollars of state funds to build new football and baseball stadiums, if we'd tell the Al Bundy's of the area to go to hell we could get that type of money to bring new "high-tech" industries to the area.
The death of the steel industry nearly killed this region, but football and baseball won't get us back to our former glory.
It's high time for the "steel city" to concentrate on silicon. That's the future and it's our ticket to future economic growth.
>>THE FACT THAT INFORMATION IS JUST AN INANIMATE CONCEPT ELUDES ME APPARENTLY
Apparantly that's not all the eludes you.
1. It's always been possible for pirates to do a bit by bit copy of DVD media. However DVD-RW and DVD-RAM media are too expensive to make DVDs worth pirating. A DVD movie sells for $20, DVD-RAM & DVD-RW media is in the neighborhood of $30 (US) and it's a losing proposition to make copies that cost more than the originals.
2. Hydrogen is just as inanimate as information, however it too wants to be free. Have you ever heard of hydrogen "creeping"? If not look it up.
Come on AC, don't disappoint me come back with a "Don't try to confuse me with the facts, I know what I know" arguement.
>>The Spartans literally managed to save western civilization as we know it.
I don't see history as a western movie. There are no guys in black hats or guys in white hats. The Persians weren't all bad, and the Greeks weren't all good.
I have a serious problem with trying to "mainstream" linux, everytime something that is created for (and in this case by) a niche market gets mainstreamed it gets bastardized. Remember CB radio back in the 1970s? We had every yahoo on the interstates jabbering on about "Smokey" and "good buddies","10-4".
I like the fact that Linux, *BSD, and BeOS are "geeky". Why? Because that alone keeps the no-nothing, keeping up with the Joneses, first 'puter losers away.
These people will take the emphasis off of flexibility, and stability and put it on ease of use.
If I wanted to exclusively us an "easy" OS, I have a few others to choose from. I want to POWER and STABILITY of linux to remain it's primary features.
Mandrake is essentially RedHat. They recompile the code with optimizations for Pentium family processors (there is some debate as to whether or not those optimizations actually slow down newer cpus like K62/3, Celeron, P2/3), and they tend to use a newer version of the Kernel than does RedHat.
Also MacMillian(sp?) sells retail boxed versions of Mandrake that come with a decent set of books for the Newbie.
Gee RedHat thet's a great product you've got there. Let's see here... I'll take it, revamp and improve it and then I'll outsell you using your own product.
But seriously, I absolutely love Mandrake. I have Mandrake 6.0 and RedHat 6.0 and there is no comparison. I've got RedHat 4.2, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0, and 6.1 and as much as I like it, Mandrake is just more taylored to my liking.
Why are so many people buying into this? Let's see some BENCHMARKS!
I want to hear about number crunching ability. I want Quake2/3/Unreal Tournament framerates. I want to see distributed.net and seti@home rates. I want to know how fast it can compile a 2.2.9 linux kernel.
MHZ is as meaningful a measure of a processor's ability as bogomips.
It disturbes me that so many pron sites have hidden in their html code (and sometimes not even hidden) huge lists of adult film stars just to get hits from search engines.
If you do a search for Cortknee or Lotta Top you'll get a bazillion hits and 90%+ of them are "Click here to see young virgins having sex for the first time on their 18th birthday!"
As we all know, but nobody likes to admit, pron is the fuel that makes the net go 'round.
Many other sites have taken hints from the pron people. I'm sure that it was a deal of some sort, but everytime I do a search on metacrawler there's a line to search for anything I get a like to search a certain bookstore for books on the same topic.
Commercialism and shady practices are what are making the net so hard to search.
>>even though Linux appears to be out selling the Mac, quiet an achievement for something that can be had for free...
Quite an unclear and ambiguous statement.
1. Linux is an operating "the Mac" can be interpreted as either a. a family of computers that sell for anywhere from $899-$3499 or b, an operating system that sells for $99 unless it comes bundled with one of the computers from (a.).
Or I suppose that you could mean computers with the OS installed for both, which I'd LOVE to see documented by a reputable source.
You can't compare sales of an OS to sales of hardware. If you mean the MacOS you must specify that.
2. Define "out selling" do you mean a. selling more copies, or b. selling more in terms of $$$.
Since linux CDs can be had for as cheap as $1.99 if you sell 100 of them, it's not the same volume of cash as 3 copies of the MacOS.
If you want to consider "out selling" to be simply selling more CD's containing the OS(without the hardware), I wouldn't be surprised if linux was "outselling" MS Windows products.
There are other ways that your statement could be interpreted which I shall not cover because I don't want ot take the time, however if I've misinterpreted your intent or meaning, please let me know.
LK
--Disclaimer(I use Linux, Windows, and the MacOS both at work and at home.)
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>>What were you drinking when you typed this? How many Jews HAD guns to confiscate?
The jews of the Warsaw ghetto had approx. 10 pistols. Those pistols kept the Nazis at bay for nearly 2 weeks, they had to burn the Warsaw ghetto to the ground to get them out. Not too shabby huh?
LK
>>There is strong gun control all over EU and this kind of event as reported here would seem unacceptable here too. Thank you.
/. headlines not because it's an electronics company?
What is legal in the EU, and what is tolerable in the EU has NOTHING to do with that is legal and tolerable in the US. Whether or not you think it should be there, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is included in the US constitution.
Whether or not it should be repealed is another issue.
Besides, you missed his point. His point is that law abiding citizens here in the US have had to face this sort of thing for YEARS, why does it mae
LK
why is this such a big deal? Because it was an "electronics" company? The feds have been overzealous in enforcement of certain laws in the past, especially in the months before an ELECTION YEAR.
Federal agents have done things as low as shooting a naked man in his bathtub, awakened a woman at 4 a.m. and shot her when she tried to protect herself, slammed pregnant women into walls; abdomen first, stomped kittens to death, shot a 14 year old boy in the back with a 9mm submachinegun as he ran away, shot an unarmed woman in the face as she held her baby in her arms, and I could go on for hours about this.
Why does this case warrant our interest? Because their kits sparked interest in people to become engineers? So what? These guys have to investigate every legitimate claim that they get. What are the supposed to do, walk up to the front door and say "Hey, are you guys doing anything illegal in there? Oh, ok, we'll be leaving then." No, the purpose of the warrant is so that they can examine private proterty to determine if there is something illegal going on.
If it turns out that they did nothing wrong, then they'll get their equipment back. If not, then they sue.
Feds intimidating someone and in general being dickheads is not a reason for all of this outrage. Were they smashing the joint up? Were they pushing people around?
Relax, haven't you people ever dealt with law enforcement types before?
LK
The bastardization of that term is indicative of a clueless society. Today people think that means that only bad, slimy people become lawyers. When Shakespear originally wrote that line, law was the most noble of professions.
Only the wise, knowledgeable, and fair were laywers, that line is supposed to confer that the best way to demoralize and destroy a people is to kill off the brightest, most shining examples of what goodness is supposed to be.
This may be semi-off topic, but I think that sometimes lawyers get a bad rap when it's their clients who are the true scumbags. I don't blame the RIAA's lawyers for their MP3 insanity, I blame the RIAA. It's just a shame for lawyers that the most high profile members of their profession are now Bill and Hillary Clinton.
LK
Those among us who ignore the possibility of NBC terrorism are called unprepared and those of us who prepare ourselves are watched by the FBI & BATF and called extremists.
Having an NBC suit and gas mask buried at the back of the closet is a good idea for anyone, but so few people do it that even a moronic terrorist is going to be able to do a lot of damage to the general population with minimal effort.
JFK Jr. He dies because of his own stupidity. He didn't have the necessary amount of experience to pilot a plane under the conditions of when he crashed.
I believe that he was intentionally left out because of who he was. His act was one of blatent and stinging stupidity and he should get a Darwin award for it.
LK
I don't see this as an exploit of any kind, in the US it might have even bee possible to do this because.
1. M$ owns the rights to Windows x.x, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windoes 2000, Windows NT and they're all OSes.
2. If you want to produce a product with a similar name but not the same type of product there is no chance of confusing the consumer and there is no legal recourse that M$ can take if the name is different.
3. This type of think could have occurred in just about any country, not just Russia.
LK
Have a look at what I said yesterday. I misspelled century, but I think that my meaning was clear.
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>>http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=99/12/31/
LK
Oooooh, rough tough Anonymous Coward. It's morons like you who though that the earth was flat for thousands of years even when there was proof that it was not. The ancient Greeks and Egyptians knew that the earth was round, but "cool" people like you convienently forgot about it just because it made things simpler to go with what was easy and trendy.
Get your head out of your ass.
BTW the earth revolves around the sun, NOT the other way 'round.
LK
>>Here we are moving into a new century and these fucknuts want to turn the clock back.
Hey fucknut, we will not be moving into a new centure for more than 366 days.
LK
What keeps me here in the 'burgh is a multifaceted jewel. I've got my friends, my family, and the fact that my wife and I just bought a house less than 2 miles from where I went to high school.
I've heard my friends say that "there's nothing to do here" as the reason why they want to leave Pittsburgh. I've told them that that is bullshit. If you go to the south side you can party untill your legs fall off. If you want education you've got Pitt, CMU, Robert Morris, Chatham, and CCAC. You've got Fore systems, Alcoa, USX, Westinghouse, GT-Systems (the pgh geek's holy grail) and the various colleges/universities providing good paying jobs.
This city isn't perfect, but it's just as good as any other medium sized city for IT professionals. If you've got yhe knowledge/experience you can make 60k+ per year as an entry level IT professional. If you get in on the South Side that I mentioned earlier there is a good chance that you can get a tee shirt and jeans job making 40k per year to start.
People at circuit city can make 45k per year in this city. I used to work with one who did. When I finish my degree (hopefully next year) I should add 10-15k to my yearly income without leaving the city.
This city found a way to get nearly half a BILLION dollars of state funds to build new football and baseball stadiums, if we'd tell the Al Bundy's of the area to go to hell we could get that type of money to bring new "high-tech" industries to the area.
The death of the steel industry nearly killed this region, but football and baseball won't get us back to our former glory.
It's high time for the "steel city" to concentrate on silicon. That's the future and it's our ticket to future economic growth.
Lord Kano
>>THE FACT THAT INFORMATION IS JUST AN INANIMATE CONCEPT ELUDES ME APPARENTLY
Apparantly that's not all the eludes you.
1. It's always been possible for pirates to do a bit by bit copy of DVD media. However DVD-RW and DVD-RAM media are too expensive to make DVDs worth pirating. A DVD movie sells for $20, DVD-RAM & DVD-RW media is in the neighborhood of $30 (US) and it's a losing proposition to make copies that cost more than the originals.
2. Hydrogen is just as inanimate as information, however it too wants to be free. Have you ever heard of hydrogen "creeping"? If not look it up.
Come on AC, don't disappoint me come back with a "Don't try to confuse me with the facts, I know what I know" arguement.
LK
Certain Apps and plugins (like photoshop/Strata Studio Pro) can take advantage of the extra CPUs even if the OS does not.
LK
The net is full of then you know, like jusux. Something about this doesn't sit right with me.
My poop detectors are beeping and flashing red lights on this one.
LK
>>The Spartans literally managed to save western civilization as we know it.
I don't see history as a western movie. There are no guys in black hats or guys in white hats. The Persians weren't all bad, and the Greeks weren't all good.
LK
I have a serious problem with trying to "mainstream" linux, everytime something that is created for (and in this case by) a niche market gets mainstreamed it gets bastardized. Remember CB radio back in the 1970s? We had every yahoo on the interstates jabbering on about "Smokey" and "good buddies","10-4".
I like the fact that Linux, *BSD, and BeOS are "geeky". Why? Because that alone keeps the no-nothing, keeping up with the Joneses, first 'puter losers away.
These people will take the emphasis off of flexibility, and stability and put it on ease of use.
If I wanted to exclusively us an "easy" OS, I have a few others to choose from. I want to POWER and STABILITY of linux to remain it's primary features.
LK
Mandrake is essentially RedHat. They recompile the code with optimizations for Pentium family processors (there is some debate as to whether or not those optimizations actually slow down newer cpus like K62/3, Celeron, P2/3), and they tend to use a newer version of the Kernel than does RedHat.
Also MacMillian(sp?) sells retail boxed versions of Mandrake that come with a decent set of books for the Newbie.
LK
No, Rogue takes away one's powers. Bishop can (for lack of a better description) copy, redirect and improve.
LK
Mandrake's like Bishop.
Gee RedHat thet's a great product you've got there. Let's see here... I'll take it, revamp and improve it and then I'll outsell you using your own product.
But seriously, I absolutely love Mandrake. I have Mandrake 6.0 and RedHat 6.0 and there is no comparison. I've got RedHat 4.2, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0, and 6.1 and as much as I like it, Mandrake is just more taylored to my liking.
LK
Why are so many people buying into this? Let's see some BENCHMARKS!
I want to hear about number crunching ability. I want Quake2/3/Unreal Tournament framerates. I want to see distributed.net and seti@home rates. I want to know how fast it can compile a 2.2.9 linux kernel.
MHZ is as meaningful a measure of a processor's ability as bogomips.
LK
>>I think we should start asking computer salesmen to see the SPEC95 ratings of the chips and see what they do. : )
Most likely they'll tell you no. It's the manufacturers job to put out specs and benchmark results, not the salesperson's.
(Yes, I sell and fix computers for a living)
LK
It disturbes me that so many pron sites have hidden in their html code (and sometimes not even hidden) huge lists of adult film stars just to get hits from search engines.
If you do a search for Cortknee or Lotta Top you'll get a bazillion hits and 90%+ of them are "Click here to see young virgins having sex for the first time on their 18th birthday!"
As we all know, but nobody likes to admit, pron is the fuel that makes the net go 'round.
Many other sites have taken hints from the pron people. I'm sure that it was a deal of some sort, but everytime I do a search on metacrawler there's a line to search for anything I get a like to search a certain bookstore for books on the same topic.
Commercialism and shady practices are what are making the net so hard to search.
LK
Didn't I see this on Mr. Show or something?
>>even though Linux appears to be out selling the Mac, quiet an achievement for something that can be had for free...
Quite an unclear and ambiguous statement.
1. Linux is an operating "the Mac" can be interpreted as either a. a family of computers that sell for anywhere from $899-$3499 or b, an operating system that sells for $99 unless it comes bundled with one of the computers from (a.).
Or I suppose that you could mean computers with the OS installed for both, which I'd LOVE to see documented by a reputable source.
You can't compare sales of an OS to sales of hardware. If you mean the MacOS you must specify that.
2. Define "out selling" do you mean a. selling more copies, or b. selling more in terms of $$$.
Since linux CDs can be had for as cheap as $1.99 if you sell 100 of them, it's not the same volume of cash as 3 copies of the MacOS.
If you want to consider "out selling" to be simply selling more CD's containing the OS(without the hardware), I wouldn't be surprised if linux was "outselling" MS Windows products.
There are other ways that your statement could be interpreted which I shall not cover because I don't want ot take the time, however if I've misinterpreted your intent or meaning, please let me know.
LK
--Disclaimer(I use Linux, Windows, and the MacOS both at work and at home.)
The numbering scheme would have worked if it was only better planned.
eg. the 7300 was FASTER than the 8500 in most configurations.
The 7200 was SLOWER than the 8100. But the 7200 was faster than the 6100. There were also 7100s that were faster than certain 7200s.
They could have made it work, but they run the resk of hitting the Presario naming scheme's pitfalls. 5543, 5545, 5546, etc...
LK