This is SuSE FUD. First, it can't be that bad when even Linus uses it (he recently said he uses SuSE at home and RedHat at work and mostly doesn't care which distro).
Second, it's not true anyway. They do the same thing RedHat is does by including commercial demos, only a lot more than RedHat. The only annyoing thing is that Applixware is included by default when you do a default install, other than that all comm. packages are in series 'pay'. Also, often, when you install something not GPL, you get a warning message that you have to 'OK'. I HATE people like the one I'm replying to, who obviously never tried themselves what thei're talking about. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
I can tell you - without identifying any sources - that it's not the only cash-rich Linux company. A much greater problem is speed of growth. Yesterday a 100-people company, next week 1000 people? Impossible, even if there'd be enough people to hire, which is not the case anyway. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Well, I don't understand why all of you only see the products of a company. Even more important than the products are the brand names, as anyone can see looking at Microsoft, Coca Cola, Pepsi, McDonalds,...
It doesn't matter that the product is free when 90% of the people are convinced they need to have the name of one company on it.
Why do you think the Coca-Cola company is as big as it is? Everyone can mix a similar drink! -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
From the Oracle press release (18 March 99), section "Oracle Support for Linux":
Oracle has formed strategic relationships with major Linux vendors-including Caldera Systems Inc., Pacific HiTech, Penguin Computing, Red Hat Software, S.u.S.E. Linux, and VA Research Linux Systems. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
I dohn't understand that part about the special glibc.... Oracle is alive and well on my SuSE based server (I also use RedHat, no preference). -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Ahhh, another typical AC posting... strange that exactly THIS one appears on slashdot again and again... (special mark: the claim about what RMS has said, which is anything but true because he didn't say did, it's not even close) there must be a _very_ lonely and aggressive child somewhere out there using the anonymity of the Internet to hurt others. An answer based on facts and reason seems senseless, unfortunately. Poor track record of SuSE, haha. Look at the kernel sources (but the SuSE people rarely use their SuSE-email address) and lots of other programs out there, and _especially_ look at XFree86, where SuSE has a leading role in development. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
The problem is that no longer 'Linux' is the brand name but 'RedHat' is.
It's bad for competition between distributions. It doesn't matter how good or bad other distributions really are and how much effort the others spend (or don't spend), _the name_ is not RedHat and therefore they will have less and less (ifthis trend continues) chances to compete successfully with RedHat. Who's going to use SAP on another distro than Redhat now? I know of a big company that used another distribution on their systems where they wanted to test SAP R/3 on Linux, since that distribution was the only one to support there hardware (special patch that's only in very recent kernels and therefore on very few boot disks, of course _after_ installation it's always easy) AND (much more important to them than which-distribution-is-the-best gossip) they had direct contact to the makers of the distribution who also supported them very well, but they where forced to use RedHat now although they didn't want to.
The discussion wether it makes sense to support just one distribution instead of doing what Oracle did (saying which kernel+libc version is upported) is senseless, because it doesn't even take place, no chance, because the (more and more successfully developed due to brilliant RedHat marketing) RedHat brand name already decides the issue for them, no technological arguments or competition between distributions necessary.
> If Chippindale built a table we all liked to do our work > on should we be required to also recognize the suppliers > of the tools used to build the table?
??? Linux never created a single distribution. People did it themselves (private or Debian) or (small startup) companies did it. Linus didn't even contribute the majority of current kernel code, he's just the maintainer mostly managing the input of many. The kernel is only a small part of the entire system. Your comparison is BS. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
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About size of SuSE booth: there where TWO SuSE booths (plus 6 or so SuSE locations at partner copanies like Compaq or Siemens or IBM). The one in the hall where the other Linux companies were was the smaller one.
Second: It is extremely hard to get a larger booth at the CeBIT, not even money can't get you one! You have to order your booth at least a year in advance, and to get a big one you have to be one of the big guys (MS, IBM,...). -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
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I think I've read the interveiw you're talking about, but in the article that I read he said that about Caldera, not Suse. He said Suse is worse than Redhat, but he also said they'd promised to get better and he wanted to wait and see what they'd do.
Anyway, whatever he said, your very stupid. Your posting says 'I don't have my own brain, but someone else said so and so, and since people generally like him that's my opinion as well, because I hope the think _I_'m smart when I repeat things other people who ARE smart have said' -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
It's easy to get some job, but to find the right one (uhhh... what's that?) is hard. Ok, that's so general I didn't need to post it. What I wanted to say is another aspect: While I was in the Bay Area from 9/97 to 10/98 for a German company (no need to get a visa for working) I had some offers for jobs there. Now I'm trying to get back there - and I find it extremely hard. I have not changed, so what's the reason? And I present a lot of stuff on my web page, so it's not like hiring someone you don't know a thing about. Not that there are no offers (everybody who can spell 'computer' gets some), but everything's in Germany. By the wa (off-topic, but only for the discussion at hand, not for slashdot), one of the reasons I'd like to switch to another company besides leaving the country is my NAT project (see hoempage). There's still a lot of interest although I haven't done much since 97, simply because I don't have the equipment and no network to try stuff (and it would be great if the employer needed that stuff - my previous one did, that's where I coded it, it just feels different). So much for some open-source developer psychology;-) Also, Americans forget that the Internet is a world wide medium. Lots of job offers posted in the news and on websites forget to say 'working permit for the US required', although that's what they really mean.
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Second, it's not true anyway. They do the same thing RedHat is does by including commercial demos, only a lot more than RedHat. The only annyoing thing is that Applixware is included by default when you do a default install, other than that all comm. packages are in series 'pay'. Also, often, when you install something not GPL, you get a warning message that you have to 'OK'. I HATE people like the one I'm replying to, who obviously never tried themselves what thei're talking about.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
No SuSE user has to use YaST, just like 'you don't have to use linuxconf & co. in RedHat.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
I can tell you - without identifying any sources - that it's not the only cash-rich Linux company. A much greater problem is speed of growth. Yesterday a 100-people company, next week 1000 people? Impossible, even if there'd be enough people to hire, which is not the case anyway.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
It doesn't matter that the product is free when 90% of the people are convinced they need to have the name of one company on it.
Why do you think the Coca-Cola company is as big as it is? Everyone can mix a similar drink!
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Oracle has formed strategic relationships with major Linux vendors-including Caldera Systems Inc., Pacific HiTech, Penguin Computing, Red Hat Software, S.u.S.E. Linux, and VA Research Linux Systems.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
I dohn't understand that part about the special glibc.... Oracle is alive and well on my SuSE based server (I also use RedHat, no preference).
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Ahhh, another typical AC posting... strange that exactly THIS one appears on slashdot again and again... (special mark: the claim about what RMS has said, which is anything but true because he didn't say did, it's not even close) there must be a _very_ lonely and aggressive child somewhere out there using the anonymity of the Internet to hurt others. An answer based on facts and reason seems senseless, unfortunately. Poor track record of SuSE, haha. Look at the kernel sources (but the SuSE people rarely use their SuSE-email address) and lots of other programs out there, and _especially_ look at XFree86, where SuSE has a leading role in development.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
It's bad for competition between distributions. It doesn't matter how good or bad other distributions really are and how much effort the others spend (or don't spend), _the name_ is not RedHat and therefore they will have less and less (ifthis trend continues) chances to compete successfully with RedHat. Who's going to use SAP on another distro than Redhat now? I know of a big company that used another distribution on their systems where they wanted to test SAP R/3 on Linux, since that distribution was the only one to support there hardware (special patch that's only in very recent kernels and therefore on very few boot disks, of course _after_ installation it's always easy) AND (much more important to them than which-distribution-is-the-best gossip) they had direct contact to the makers of the distribution who also supported them very well, but they where forced to use RedHat now although they didn't want to.
The discussion wether it makes sense to support just one distribution instead of doing what Oracle did (saying which kernel+libc version is upported) is senseless, because it doesn't even take place, no chance, because the (more and more successfully developed due to brilliant RedHat marketing) RedHat brand name already decides the issue for them, no technological arguments or competition between distributions necessary.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
> on should we be required to also recognize the suppliers
> of the tools used to build the table?
??? Linux never created a single distribution. People did it themselves (private or Debian) or (small startup) companies did it. Linus didn't even contribute the majority of current kernel code, he's just the maintainer mostly managing the input of many. The kernel is only a small part of the entire system. Your comparison is BS.
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Second: It is extremely hard to get a larger booth at the CeBIT, not even money can't get you one! You have to order your booth at least a year in advance, and to get a big one you have to be one of the big guys (MS, IBM,...).
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
what do you think he wrote the software for
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
Anyway, whatever he said, your very stupid. Your posting says 'I don't have my own brain, but someone else said so and so, and since people generally like him that's my opinion as well, because I hope the think _I_'m smart when I repeat things other people who ARE smart have said'
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
While I was in the Bay Area from 9/97 to 10/98 for a German company (no need to get a visa for working) I had some offers for jobs there. Now I'm trying to get back there - and I find it extremely hard. I have not changed, so what's the reason? And I present a lot of stuff on my web page, so it's not like hiring someone you don't know a thing about. Not that there are no offers (everybody who can spell 'computer' gets some), but everything's in Germany.
By the wa (off-topic, but only for the discussion at hand, not for slashdot), one of the reasons I'd like to switch to another company besides leaving the country is my NAT project (see hoempage). There's still a lot of interest although I haven't done much since 97, simply because I don't have the equipment and no network to try stuff (and it would be great if the employer needed that stuff - my previous one did, that's where I coded it, it just feels different). So much for some open-source developer psychology
Also, Americans forget that the Internet is a world wide medium. Lots of job offers posted in the news and on websites forget to say 'working permit for the US required', although that's what they really mean.
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http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/