Another very realistic example: try the GNOME about menu, if you still have one in your installation. It scrolls in some attractive manner through all the GNOME developers in alphabetic order.
The attractiveness is well over once you have passed the B, though. I imagine developers with names starting with Z's constantly falling asleep when trying to check if they're credited.
Don't you forget that Linus Torvals holds the (Registered!) trademark on the "Linux" brand.
If SCO is against GNU/ Linux systems, then I assume that it doesn't sell them as well, and this phone number is purely piggybacking on the Linux trademark, something which Linus' legal helpers have been known to defend in the past (uhm, link/ memories, anyone? mine are vague).
So, if this SCO threatens to sue the Linux community, how 'bout Linus sueing SCO for trademark infringement first? The less money they have for the lawsuit, the better, but it'll also teach them that hard players get hard response.
Of course, Linus has to do (or delegate) this personally, because his interests (read: IP) are at stake here, and not "ours".
So now you can also patent stupid excuses for directories? & Would the Commodore 64 filesystem not be suitable "previous art"?:-)
Anyway, someone's got to tell Apple that those so-called "folders" were invented to keep your documents from piling up on your desktop back in the analog days, and not the other way around. Yet, now that Apple has finally invented the digital mess, MacOS X will be a richter user experience!
There used to be a time that a second was something that would fit 24 x 60 x 60 times in one day -- no matter how long the day was. Nowadays a second is something like this-and-that many vibrations of some atomic particle thingy.
So maybe we should just stretch the number of vibrations of the particle thingy a little, instead of adding extra seconds to days:-)
I'll be a 'certified' engineer next Januari if all is well. I've spent 5 fscking years in a dull school for that, so NO QUESTION about it! You should've come 5 years earlier with that!
Just curious, how can you have an object model without namespaces? Or interfaces for that matter? Isn't that like "New Car - with tires!"??
It's more like "Old Volkswagen Beetle - without steering reinforcement and airco, but still running as hell. Yep, they don't make 'em like they used to".
The Smalltalk language, which popped the term "OO" (and the GUI), had neither namespaces nor interfaces. Yet, they've managed quite OK. The language did contain a more complete OO-vision than most languages have today, by making everything an object (it's a little bit more complex than that, but hey), including e.g. if-statements, code blocks, etc.
"Modern" OO languages are almost always a cross-over from C-style syntax and OO-style behavior, which is not really all that disastrous, but sometimes a little bit mind-limiting to people. (For instance, did you realize you can have a full OO language without the concept of classes?)
I've been working since PHP 3 on a system to transparently store PHP object data in a database and get it out again just as easily. The system, which is set up to be more flexible than your average pseudo-OODB/ CMS (though it's not a full CMS), needs to take heavy use of the PHP object and class metaprogramming functionality. You'll notice when really relying upon it, that the PHP object and class API is a little bit scattered together.
Now they're of course going to rewrite the object system so that it all gets better and easier and more mature, and my code will have to be rewritten from the ground up when I want to support PHP5.
I have a little trouble grokking FSF's international structure.
On FOSDEM, FSF Europe was present, as well as RMS. While the FSFE was doing its own campaign, RMS was handing "FSF Associate Membership Sign-up" cards, with all the numbers in dollars on it and the address in Boston.
While Free Software is an international thing, I'd like to see some kind of representation back from where the funds came. For instance, spending high $$ on fighting American law structures is just so-and-so relevant to me, as long as the Netherlands/ Europe have their own situation.
I think that if the FSF would be willing to accept international donations in general, it should also take some time to explain how it benefits people outside of America (or how it doesn't, I don't care if it advertises well, but I'd like to get the picture), and how a donation to the American "chapter" affects the FSF Europe or another local chapter.
OTOH, if the FSF wants Europeans to become a member of the FSF Europe instead, to better support that organisation and local issues, they should also make that clear.
Nobody in science ever thinks of the common man anymore. The common man whose nose can't carry the weight of his own binoculars, let alone find his smaller cell phone without the use of additional heavyweight contact lenses!
and I think it's time to clear things up a little. First off, I'd like to say that it demonstrates the pointlessness of this discussion that I, of all people, should clear this up. I'm just a simple X user, but it seems like I'm the first one coming up with this perspective.
(X != fast) && (X != slow)!!
The speed of X11 mainly seems to be depending upon support for your particular card. If you have a super duper Radion/ ATI/ Whatever BlasterMaster with five fans and a built-in coffee machine, and the X11 support doesn't go beyond primary SVGA, well...doh!
If you find it ridiculous that your $$$ card is far less well supported than my cheap-o built-in Trident or ancient ATI Rage II, you can't blame the structure of X for it. You may be able to blame the structure of the development for not supporting as much hardware as you should like. But hey, guess what, that's what's going on right now!
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The binaries for XFree86 are over 70MB in size, what on earth are they putting in there?
Disgruntled X developers have been known to put "bloat bombs" into the X CVS tree: tons of lines of code, seemingly with some purpose, which destabilize the whole tree when even slightly altered. The 13373r the h4x0r, the better his bombs, so top-notch Xfree86 hackers are the group that provide the most risk to the project.
Point is, there have been so many disgruntled developers over the long history of X, that the whole thing tends to become quite large and unmanageable. In order to still keep some kind of control over the situation, some of the X folks (only those with a long history of loyalty to Xfree86) are especially appointed to the task of gracelessly kicking out every single person with even the slightest potential of becoming annoyed with the Xfree86 core team.
(Uhh, if you didn't notice, this was meant as some sort of a joke. At least, I hope it's not for real:-)
The minute you do what you preach is the minute I wil listen to you.
Oh, come on, read before you reply. I "preach" nothing but honesty about being cruel to animals and I am honest about this myself. I have caused the death of innumerous animals and my days of rampage are still far from over. But I acknowledge the sad state of facts, unlike so many others do.
There are many animal based products that you are using no matter how hard you try not too.
I think I have made very clear that I'm not even a full-fledged vegetarian. I don't know how you've gotten the idea that I must have been a veganist with all bells and whistles installed instead. All you have seen me doing is weighing the life of the first useless L.A. fashion junk against that of a sheep. And Avril Lavignes opinion aside, the sheep may well win because of having more interesting things to say over the average. That's all I was saying.
There has to be a balance. In order for us to live our lives, they must support us in any way they can.
Is that a quote from pre-civil war America or what?
Gee, what an enormous amount of reactions to such a silly topic:-) Leans me to never try to look into the minds of Slashdot readers...
Anway, what I'd really want is a keyboard which let you be active on you programmer's job, so that working with the computer will have the same healthy physical implications as other day jobs. Using your muscles in a normal way (= w.o. the constant pressure) is probably the best thing against RSI, and because it takes some physical work, you automatically will take your breaks.
I was thinking about some foldable, rubber 1,5 x 0.5 mtr sheet with cushions for every button or so. But resurrecting the typewriter may also be a good option; typists never had RSI simply because of the good old-fashioned muscle-work it took to press those buttons. (They had other profession's diseases though, like a pink stuck between the keys.)
I guess that real geeks rather take the pain of programming than go sporting, but as more and more "average" people have to use computers all day, ther might be a real market for a keyboard like this!
I would be interested in having such a thing, anyway, so if you know any such thing or looking for a business to start up..? Reply!:-)
So everyone is making jokes about the topic, but wasn't there this story about this asteroid that would get close to earth somewhere in 2016 or so (can't remember the year), and that would raise the temperature of the earth to 50 degrees celsius at the moment it passes by? Or was that story declared invalid later on?
(Note: we're not dead, we're just in coma. Any new development would be enough to wake up the project. It's still on my TODO list, but I have to scratch a few other things off before I get back to it. Please contact the mailinglist if you're interested:-)
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Another very realistic example: try the GNOME about menu, if you still have one in your installation. It scrolls in some attractive manner through all the GNOME developers in alphabetic order.
The attractiveness is well over once you have passed the B, though. I imagine developers with names starting with Z's constantly falling asleep when trying to check if they're credited.
If they had given the iPods to an Embedded Systems class at MIT,
So lemme guess. You're at MIT.
Courtesy of AMG [allmusic.com]
;-)
Oh, right, I was almost afraid you were a Goth!
Don't you forget that Linus Torvals holds the (Registered!) trademark on the "Linux" brand.
If SCO is against GNU/ Linux systems, then I assume that it doesn't sell them as well, and this phone number is purely piggybacking on the Linux trademark, something which Linus' legal helpers have been known to defend in the past (uhm, link/ memories, anyone? mine are vague).
So, if this SCO threatens to sue the Linux community, how 'bout Linus sueing SCO for trademark infringement first? The less money they have for the lawsuit, the better, but it'll also teach them that hard players get hard response.
Of course, Linus has to do (or delegate) this personally, because his interests (read: IP) are at stake here, and not "ours".
So now you can also patent stupid excuses for directories? & Would the Commodore 64 filesystem not be suitable "previous art"? :-)
Anyway, someone's got to tell Apple that those so-called "folders" were invented to keep your documents from piling up on your desktop back in the analog days, and not the other way around. Yet, now that Apple has finally invented the digital mess, MacOS X will be a richter user experience!
There used to be a time that a second was something that would fit 24 x 60 x 60 times in one day -- no matter how long the day was. Nowadays a second is something like this-and-that many vibrations of some atomic particle thingy.
:-)
So maybe we should just stretch the number of vibrations of the particle thingy a little, instead of adding extra seconds to days
You're on holiday (yeah yeah, scientific expedition) in the Pacific Area and you're planning just to fix every man's computer you meet?
Man, I'd love to get to a place like that, and finally leave my computer at home!
> No, it means that life contain less noise than non-life.
Apparently you don't have children.
I'll be a 'certified' engineer next Januari if all is well. I've spent 5 fscking years in a dull school for that, so NO QUESTION about it! You should've come 5 years earlier with that!
Rock beats scissors, I won!
Just curious, how can you have an object model without namespaces? Or interfaces for that matter? Isn't that like "New Car - with tires!"??
It's more like "Old Volkswagen Beetle - without steering reinforcement and airco, but still running as hell. Yep, they don't make 'em like they used to".
The Smalltalk language, which popped the term "OO" (and the GUI), had neither namespaces nor interfaces. Yet, they've managed quite OK. The language did contain a more complete OO-vision than most languages have today, by making everything an object (it's a little bit more complex than that, but hey), including e.g. if-statements, code blocks, etc.
"Modern" OO languages are almost always a cross-over from C-style syntax and OO-style behavior, which is not really all that disastrous, but sometimes a little bit mind-limiting to people. (For instance, did you realize you can have a full OO language without the concept of classes?)
I've been working since PHP 3 on a system to transparently store PHP object data in a database and get it out again just as easily. The system, which is set up to be more flexible than your average pseudo-OODB/ CMS (though it's not a full CMS), needs to take heavy use of the PHP object and class metaprogramming functionality. You'll notice when really relying upon it, that the PHP object and class API is a little bit scattered together.
Now they're of course going to rewrite the object system so that it all gets better and easier and more mature, and my code will have to be rewritten from the ground up when I want to support PHP5.
And I thought I was nearly done...
I'm guessing they made the front page semi-static for some reason.
Because it was posted on Slashdot (somewhere %), it runned the risk at being slashdotted, so they put in a static page.
I have a little trouble grokking FSF's international structure.
On FOSDEM, FSF Europe was present, as well as RMS. While the FSFE was doing its own campaign, RMS was handing "FSF Associate Membership Sign-up" cards, with all the numbers in dollars on it and the address in Boston.
While Free Software is an international thing, I'd like to see some kind of representation back from where the funds came. For instance, spending high $$ on fighting American law structures is just so-and-so relevant to me, as long as the Netherlands/ Europe have their own situation.
I think that if the FSF would be willing to accept international donations in general, it should also take some time to explain how it benefits people outside of America (or how it doesn't, I don't care if it advertises well, but I'd like to get the picture), and how a donation to the American "chapter" affects the FSF Europe or another local chapter.
OTOH, if the FSF wants Europeans to become a member of the FSF Europe instead, to better support that organisation and local issues, they should also make that clear.
Just my 2 eurocents.
I agree. The title should've been "Linux for the Rest of You People Somewhere Out There".
What about smaller glasses?
Nobody in science ever thinks of the common man anymore. The common man whose nose can't carry the weight of his own binoculars, let alone find his smaller cell phone without the use of additional heavyweight contact lenses!
What is wrong with you people?!
8-P
OK, I've read quite a few threats now about
...doh!
"X == slow" => "X == obsolete" vs. "X == fast" => "X == cool"
and I think it's time to clear things up a little. First off, I'd like to say that it demonstrates the pointlessness of this discussion that I, of all people, should clear this up. I'm just a simple X user, but it seems like I'm the first one coming up with this perspective.
(X != fast) && (X != slow)!!
The speed of X11 mainly seems to be depending upon support for your particular card. If you have a super duper Radion/ ATI/ Whatever BlasterMaster with five fans and a built-in coffee machine, and the X11 support doesn't go beyond primary SVGA, well
If you find it ridiculous that your $$$ card is far less well supported than my cheap-o built-in Trident or ancient ATI Rage II, you can't blame the structure of X for it. You may be able to blame the structure of the development for not supporting as much hardware as you should like. But hey, guess what, that's what's going on right now!
The binaries for XFree86 are over 70MB in size, what on earth are they putting in there?
:-)
Disgruntled X developers have been known to put "bloat bombs" into the X CVS tree: tons of lines of code, seemingly with some purpose, which destabilize the whole tree when even slightly altered. The 13373r the h4x0r, the better his bombs, so top-notch Xfree86 hackers are the group that provide the most risk to the project.
Point is, there have been so many disgruntled developers over the long history of X, that the whole thing tends to become quite large and unmanageable. In order to still keep some kind of control over the situation, some of the X folks (only those with a long history of loyalty to Xfree86) are especially appointed to the task of gracelessly kicking out every single person with even the slightest potential of becoming annoyed with the Xfree86 core team.
(Uhh, if you didn't notice, this was meant as some sort of a joke. At least, I hope it's not for real
Happy birthday GNU/ You, Happy birthday GNU/ You...
Posted by timothy on Monday March 17, @12:20AM
Anyway, still a happy afterbirthday.
Hmm... using Debian stable would give you a standard 2.2. And if you're not in for a recompile (e.g. don't need one), you'd probably keep it.
I use Debian stable on a Sun Sparc Classic box with the kernel out of the box.
So where did they stick the thermometer?
The minute you do what you preach is the minute I wil listen to you.
:-)
Oh, come on, read before you reply. I "preach" nothing but honesty about being cruel to animals and I am honest about this myself. I have caused the death of innumerous animals and my days of rampage are still far from over. But I acknowledge the sad state of facts, unlike so many others do.
There are many animal based products that you are using no matter how hard you try not too.
I think I have made very clear that I'm not even a full-fledged vegetarian. I don't know how you've gotten the idea that I must have been a veganist with all bells and whistles installed instead. All you have seen me doing is weighing the life of the first useless L.A. fashion junk against that of a sheep. And Avril Lavignes opinion aside, the sheep may well win because of having more interesting things to say over the average. That's all I was saying.
There has to be a balance. In order for us to live our lives, they must support us in any way they can.
Is that a quote from pre-civil war America or what?
quit using glue
An addict, huh?
Gee, what an enormous amount of reactions to such a silly topic :-) Leans me to never try to look into the minds of Slashdot readers...
:-)
Anway, what I'd really want is a keyboard which let you be active on you programmer's job, so that working with the computer will have the same healthy physical implications as other day jobs. Using your muscles in a normal way (= w.o. the constant pressure) is probably the best thing against RSI, and because it takes some physical work, you automatically will take your breaks.
I was thinking about some foldable, rubber 1,5 x 0.5 mtr sheet with cushions for every button or so. But resurrecting the typewriter may also be a good option; typists never had RSI simply because of the good old-fashioned muscle-work it took to press those buttons. (They had other profession's diseases though, like a pink stuck between the keys.)
I guess that real geeks rather take the pain of programming than go sporting, but as more and more "average" people have to use computers all day, ther might be a real market for a keyboard like this!
I would be interested in having such a thing, anyway, so if you know any such thing or looking for a business to start up..? Reply!
So everyone is making jokes about the topic, but wasn't there this story about this asteroid that would get close to earth somewhere in 2016 or so (can't remember the year), and that would raise the temperature of the earth to 50 degrees celsius at the moment it passes by? Or was that story declared invalid later on?
Course very few people make good sidescroller/jumpers in the era of the 3D console.
:-)
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