Did anyone happen to read the Bill of Rights before they came up with this one?
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
take it easy... nobody is saying macs don't have great value. This was a speed test. The mac lost.
Nobody insulted your choice of computer, so you don't have to defend your choice of OS. I too use OSX, but it does need improvements in speed. I wish that Apple had found the true medium between form and function on this OS release, maybe Jaguar will do it. The OS is just to dang pretty considering how slow it runs.
says you! I'd like to have an extra $400 bucks as well as the extra time to spend it. This test is fairly conclusive... the fastest mac is not as fast as the fastest pc, moreover, it's not as fast the fastest PC from 6 months ago. I like macs, but the PC is obviously faster in After Effects rendering.
The only reason they "hold" most of those is because they purchased Nullsoft. One big gulp. Don't offer AOL too much credit for those apps, the guys at Nullsoft, however, kick ass.
Oh come on?!? Are you telling me that you didn't recognize the enormous number of times Macs crashed under OS 9.x. It was a frikking joke. It was *the* most unstable OS I ever ran... worse than 98 and that's astoundingly bad. And I wouldn't really say that OSX is the new "version" of OS9.2. I would more rhan likely say that OSX is new (period). Their really isn't a problem with FCP under OSX. Right now, it is one of the only apps for production video / graphics work that has acceptable performance on my dual G4. That is why I will not buy a Mac. I mean really. Don't try to tell me you've actually used Freehand usefully on anything less than a dual 450 under OSX.
I own 4 Macs. A Mac Classic, A 7100/80, A Wallstreet Powerbook 300mhz g3, and a dual 450 g4. I buy what works best for my task. I do, however, take a good hard look at value. I don't think that I would classify as a zealot on this point. I buy the right product for the job. When I used to mainly be a pixel twiddler, Macs worked great. But, I began to focus more on php and mysql. Macs didn't cut it until very recent OSX and brand new hardware. My dual 450 still kinda chokes on OSX! Believe it or not, the Mac is not the perfect machine for every job, and as much as the koolaid that mr. Jobs made you drink tries to convince you, it just ain't true.
I dont' think I ever said "There's nothing good on a Mac" ! Hell, I've been using Macs since 1984. It doesn't mean they are the best value today for what I do...
When stev Jobs gets his priorities straight and let's go of his insane "form over function" os implementations, then I will consider buying another mac. But come on, how does one take a very BSD'ish OS and kill it with antialiased text and animated docks? What the frik?!? You should know, you inspired me to download the Maya preview (Maya PLE 1.0). It wasn't pretty on my g4. Maybe you have a faster machine, but I don't see how that could be productive.
I also installed Moho. That on the other hand is pretty cool, not 3D, but pretty cool.
As for the zealot comment, I guess it's not really my place to say what you are, so I apologize. I guess I'm just a littl gun shy of Mac diehards who act like you insulted their mother when you suggest ways Macs are not always the best machine for the job.
You, sir, are a zealot. Have you tried any discreet video offerings aside from your self pronounced mastery skill level at 3d Studio? You love Mac, and that's all right now. I do too. But prior to OSX, every mac I worked on under Final Cut Pro 1 and 2 would croak daily at least2 times. That is not what I would call productive. The only reason you prefer Maya on a mac is because that is the only 3d app worth a sh!t on the Mac! What did you like better than Max prior to Maya? LightWave? You are a zealot!
Premiere is for amateurs. discreet edit, smoke, fire, cinestream, combustion, flint, flame, inferno, 3ds max and character studio blow any offerings Adobe or Macintosh has, squarely out of the water. They do not compare. Final Cut Pro is a nice product, and granted it runs great on a dual ghz g4, but you cannot produce any empirical evidence to support that that means your mac machine is faster than an athlon machine. Maybe if Apple had written a cross platform version of their product, you could say that. But they don't because most people would then not spend the additional money on the g4 when they could purchase an athlon for far cheaper.
You are the model Apple customer. You don't want to mess with the hardware as evidenced by your inability to get a M$ mouse to work with XP. With apple, you don't have to many chances to stray from their established hardware norm, so it almost always works. And that's fine. Focus on video editing the mac way. But, you should now... my firewire dvd ram/r works fine on my pc under win2k and winxp. And I'll bet my smp athlon 1800+ with 2 gigs of ddr ram and dual 100 gig WD drives on a pci ide raid card would more than hold it's own against any Mac out there. And to top it all off, I know I spent quite a bit less than Apple's comparable offering.
"...a non-commercial, opensource, peer-to-peer decentralized music sharing program currently under development by PCP Networks, LLC, with much support from members of the etree.org and Sugarmegs music sharing communities.
Furthur is unlike any other music sharing software on the Internet. Furthur is the first and only 100% non-commercial peer-to-peer network of legal live music created by fans for fans! We have no paid software or website developers, nor do we accept any advertising or compensation. We are developing Furthur to help spread live music to fans. Any musician that allows the non-commercial taping and trading of their live performances are fair-game for Furthur."
We use macs at our business (medical / healthcare ) because we find the user experience is the easiest we can deliver. I am proud that some of our less computer savvy users have no problem operating their macs. However, the fact that at some point we will need to upgrade those users to OSX is a somewhat scary notion. Some of my experiences with system maintenance and overall operation of the OS, IMO, escalate the knowledge level required to be a successful computer operator. This is great for me, but kind of stinks with regard to the level of support I will be required to deliver.
Well, I can tell it's not UNIX because GNU stands for "GNU's not UNIX". BSD is not UNIX, it is UNIX-like. Darwin is BSD. Therefore... what?!? OSX is not UNIX? And once you you consider Cocoa and Aqua on top of it, I don't even really consider it a useable BSD. Darwin is a useable BSD, OSX not really, and I've tried.
OSX is not Unix. It is Mach. It uses BSD style port handling but the majority of the VM et al is handled by Mach. Mach is not Unix, so, no OSX is not Unix.
How many physical disks do you have in there? I didn't know linux ppc and x and 9.2 could live on the same HD...
by saying windows 98, you mean Virtual PC?
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if the webserver is in his car??? Slashdotted him into a ditch, maybe??
yes. I'm not sure what your point is.
Did anyone happen to read the Bill of Rights before they came up with this one?
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Steve has finally put function over form...
It'd be nice if this release runs fast. God knows it's pretty, but I'm ready for fast!
take it easy... nobody is saying macs don't have great value. This was a speed test. The mac lost.
Nobody insulted your choice of computer, so you don't have to defend your choice of OS. I too use OSX, but it does need improvements in speed. I wish that Apple had found the true medium between form and function on this OS release, maybe Jaguar will do it. The OS is just to dang pretty considering how slow it runs.
Speed it up, then make it pretty.
says you! I'd like to have an extra $400 bucks as well as the extra time to spend it. This test is fairly conclusive... the fastest mac is not as fast as the fastest pc, moreover, it's not as fast the fastest PC from 6 months ago. I like macs, but the PC is obviously faster in After Effects rendering.
The only reason they "hold" most of those is because they purchased Nullsoft. One big gulp. Don't offer AOL too much credit for those apps, the guys at Nullsoft, however, kick ass.
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or does it seems snappier?
Oh come on?!? Are you telling me that you didn't recognize the enormous number of times Macs crashed under OS 9.x. It was a frikking joke. It was *the* most unstable OS I ever ran... worse than 98 and that's astoundingly bad. And I wouldn't really say that OSX is the new "version" of OS9.2. I would more rhan likely say that OSX is new (period). Their really isn't a problem with FCP under OSX. Right now, it is one of the only apps for production video / graphics work that has acceptable performance on my dual G4. That is why I will not buy a Mac. I mean really. Don't try to tell me you've actually used Freehand usefully on anything less than a dual 450 under OSX.
I own 4 Macs. A Mac Classic, A 7100/80, A Wallstreet Powerbook 300mhz g3, and a dual 450 g4. I buy what works best for my task. I do, however, take a good hard look at value.
I don't think that I would classify as a zealot on this point. I buy the right product for the job. When I used to mainly be a pixel twiddler, Macs worked great. But, I began to focus more on php and mysql. Macs didn't cut it until very recent OSX and brand new hardware. My dual 450 still kinda chokes on OSX! Believe it or not, the Mac is not the perfect machine for every job, and as much as the koolaid that mr. Jobs made you drink tries to convince you, it just ain't true.
I dont' think I ever said "There's nothing good on a Mac" ! Hell, I've been using Macs since 1984. It doesn't mean they are the best value today for what I do...
When stev Jobs gets his priorities straight and let's go of his insane "form over function" os implementations, then I will consider buying another mac. But come on, how does one take a very BSD'ish OS and kill it with antialiased text and animated docks? What the frik?!?
You should know, you inspired me to download the Maya preview (Maya PLE 1.0). It wasn't pretty on my g4. Maybe you have a faster machine, but I don't see how that could be productive.
I also installed Moho. That on the other hand is pretty cool, not 3D, but pretty cool.
As for the zealot comment, I guess it's not really my place to say what you are, so I apologize. I guess I'm just a littl gun shy of Mac diehards who act like you insulted their mother when you suggest ways Macs are not always the best machine for the job.
You, sir, are a zealot. Have you tried any discreet video offerings aside from your self pronounced mastery skill level at 3d Studio? You love Mac, and that's all right now. I do too. But prior to OSX, every mac I worked on under Final Cut Pro 1 and 2 would croak daily at least2 times. That is not what I would call productive.
The only reason you prefer Maya on a mac is because that is the only 3d app worth a sh!t on the Mac! What did you like better than Max prior to Maya? LightWave? You are a zealot!
Premiere is for amateurs. discreet edit, smoke, fire, cinestream, combustion, flint, flame, inferno, 3ds max and character studio blow any offerings Adobe or Macintosh has, squarely out of the water. They do not compare. Final Cut Pro is a nice product, and granted it runs great on a dual ghz g4, but you cannot produce any empirical evidence to support that that means your mac machine is faster than an athlon machine. Maybe if Apple had written a cross platform version of their product, you could say that. But they don't because most people would then not spend the additional money on the g4 when they could purchase an athlon for far cheaper.
I find it more amusing that you have to double your price to get slightly worse performance.
Well, with IDE Raid Level 0 you can write faster to your disks than with plain old IDE, silly rabbit.
Why IDE instead of SCSI? Again, $$$.
You are the model Apple customer. You don't want to mess with the hardware as evidenced by your inability to get a M$ mouse to work with XP. With apple, you don't have to many chances to stray from their established hardware norm, so it almost always works. And that's fine. Focus on video editing the mac way. But, you should now... my firewire dvd ram/r works fine on my pc under win2k and winxp. And I'll bet my smp athlon 1800+ with 2 gigs of ddr ram and dual 100 gig WD drives on a pci ide raid card would more than hold it's own against any Mac out there. And to top it all off, I know I spent quite a bit less than Apple's comparable offering.
Furthurnet.com is, to quote from their site:
"...a non-commercial, opensource, peer-to-peer decentralized music sharing program currently under development by PCP Networks, LLC, with much support from members of the etree.org and Sugarmegs music sharing communities.
Furthur is unlike any other music sharing software on the Internet. Furthur is the first and only 100% non-commercial peer-to-peer network of legal live music created by fans for fans! We have no paid software or website developers, nor do we accept any advertising or compensation. We are developing Furthur to help spread live music to fans. Any musician that allows the non-commercial taping and trading of their live performances are fair-game for Furthur."
There is a *lot* of free music here.
uhh... ok! (???)
This might be it
We use macs at our business (medical / healthcare ) because we find the user experience is the easiest we can deliver. I am proud that some of our less computer savvy users have no problem operating their macs. However, the fact that at some point we will need to upgrade those users to OSX is a somewhat scary notion. Some of my experiences with system maintenance and overall operation of the OS, IMO, escalate the knowledge level required to be a successful computer operator. This is great for me, but kind of stinks with regard to the level of support I will be required to deliver.
I love the screenshot for boa.
Well, I can tell it's not UNIX because GNU stands for "GNU's not UNIX". BSD is not UNIX, it is UNIX-like. Darwin is BSD. Therefore... what?!? OSX is not UNIX? And once you you consider Cocoa and Aqua on top of it, I don't even really consider it a useable BSD. Darwin is a useable BSD, OSX not really, and I've tried.
OSX is not Unix. It is Mach. It uses BSD style port handling but the majority of the VM et al is handled by Mach. Mach is not Unix, so, no OSX is not Unix.
How many physical disks do you have in there? I didn't know linux ppc and x and 9.2 could live on the same HD...
by saying windows 98, you mean Virtual PC?