Offtopic but... Many people have talked about Henry Ford in this post as if he was such a great guy. Does everybody know who was one of the most influencial people in the United States for the National Socialist Party (Nazi's)? Henry Ford was a well voiced American Nazi, most famous for his book "The International Jew".
more guns=more death. and how is that a good thing?
First tell that to 6 million dead jews that might have had a better chance for survival had they as a whole been armed. Let us not also forget the gypsies and the homosexuals. Don't tell me the world has been cleansed of those who would do this type of evil to other men. Don't think in America that this would never happen, it's pure arrogance. Hell in 20 years I'll be suprised if there is a U.S.A. I realize even if such an event were to take place now that guns probably wouldn't make a huge difference, but they would make a difference.
It's all part of natural cycle, death is good. Anything that keeps the population down right now will allieviate much suffering from overpopulation in the future. Population control is good and necessary, though mother nature does a better more natural job of this, we are now fairly removed from nature. Since most of us are quite removed from harm these days we need something to kill the stupid people. Since we don't have free roaming large man eating animals to eat the dumb kids who poked them with sticks (thier parents didn't warn them), we now have guns. Get off you idealistic soapbox. DEATH is NATURAL and NECESSARY. LIFE IS NOT FAIR OR JUST!
Dumbass, I am not the same poster who was originally arguing with you.
In fact I wasn't really arguing anything with the last post, just pointing out an observation.
Guns should be a lot better at killing people, since that is thier intended purpose. I'd be pissed if I bought any other tool that was so limited and ineffective. That is of course why I use.45 with hollow-points, it at least increases the potential for a fatality.
I certainly as hell wouldn't want to add "smart gun" technolgy to the list of possible failures that I might encounter, especially when my life is riding on the line.
I love guns, but if I could rid the world of them I would, along with all the rest of the evils in the world. That idea is about as practical as the failure, money-making, "war on drugs". So when I don't have a need for the "tool" anymore I will happily surrender it. That will never happen in my lifetime though because there have always been NASTY people and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Besides gun fatalities help with Darwinism, by killing off both the stupid and the evil. Why protect people from thier stupidity?
Guns really aren't that deadly, take a look at emergency room statistics. If I wanted to make sure someone was dead and I had the choice of using a #2 pencil or one 9mm FMJ round, I'd use the pencil with some creativity. Heck one of my former co-workers is alive becuase guns suck at killing people, he pulled a b-b gun on cops and they shot him nine times. Six times in the legs, twice in the abdomen, and once in the head (bullet bounced off of skull). All of these shots were with 9mm FMJ rounds. I saw him walking around just the other day and he wasn't limping or anything.
If guns kill people, then... -pencils missspel words. -cars make people drive drunk. -spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.
To add to my argument...
Maybe we should make pencils that fix spelling errors, then I won't have to learn to spell.
Maybe they should make cars that smell alcohol and don't operate, then I won't have to learn responsiblity and self control.
Maybe we should have fat police, because I sure as hell have seen a lot more 80 year old chain-smokers than 80 year old chunkers. Sorry, I apologize to the poor chunkers who are helpless victims of McDonalds. (they made you eat it)
Maybe we should ban television and computers, then have mandatory exercise since heart disease kills so many people.
Maybe we should have a law banning all bones in food, since so many people and thier pets choke to death.
Maybe we should really stop making such stupid fscking laws, that don't really solve anything.
This guy must be in Utah. "Nice" Mormons always do things for each other for free and often get no thanks for doing it. So they expect the same from others. Try working for tips in Utah, Mormons feel you are providing a free service by bringing food to thier tables (or pizza's to thier house). When they do tip you, you also know that you are only going to get five percent, because they already gave 10% to the church. Yes I know this is a horrible stereotype, and it doesn't hold true 100% of the time, but there is quite a bit of truth to it. Feel free to argue with me if you have worked off of tips in Utah for 1 year or more, otherwise I don't want to hear it. To those that say love Utah or leave it, I've already left and it feels good to live.
No my point is not that there is an armed terrorist group in the US planning ANYTHING that I know of. My point is that the goverment does fear these Militia's because quite a few of them are intelligent enough to pull off mass destruction against the United States. Anybody who would take out a place like PTO would probably be doing it to ruin the financial infrastructure of the United States, apparently I need to spell it out for you. If Intel/Micron/IBM/HP..... (Thousands of others) are not able to patent thier new technology, they will not release thier new technology until they can patent it. This would kill QUITE a few companies and throw the United States into financial choas. These days the United States is more of a financial power than a military power. If you pull the power on a vacuum cleaner it can be the most sophisticated vacuum in the world and it will still die.
"and if they ever actually did anything to threaten any of those organizations"
Yes you're right, if they did threaten those organizatiosn they would be dead (or locked up REALLY tight). If they just ACTED, instead of threatening, they could probably catch the United states with it's pants down, all it requires is a little creativity. The US is like Microsoft in that it likes to potray the image of impenetrability.(Usama proved that one, and so did the "hick" Oklahoma city bomber)
"Which means what? That they could hire Brad Pitt to kick my ass? I'll take my chances"
Yeah, Brad Pitt is not too scary I agree. Apparantly you haven't seen "fight club", hate to spoil it for you, they blow-up all credit reporting agency headquarters, if I need to explain the choas that this would create, I will not even bother arguing with you anymore, I'll recommend you go back to first grade so you can argue that 1+1=3 with a teacher (who you might call a dumb redneck) who will insist that it is indeed 2.
"What would the rest of the world do if the "policeman" was temporarily out of commision?
Temporarily kick anybody's ass that tries any bullshit just because the cops are out of the picture"
I am not reffering to literal police, I am reffering to the United States as the policemen of the world. I imagine Israel/Taiwan/Pakistan would be quite vunerable if we were unable to defend them. Though quite a few Allied/NATO/EU countries have the advanced military technology to defend themselves, most of them don't have large enough militaries to launch a multi-front offensive if Israel/Taiwan/Pakistan were attacked. Sure they could hit the big red button that says "NUKE", but I imagine most of them would sit relatively silent on the side until the US could stand itself up to support them. By then it might be too late.
"Honestly I am not afraid of the federal government or of any terrorist (Muslim or Xian) taking my rights/guns/property/speech/wellbeing... I am afraid of my fellow citizen voluntarily giving up these things in exchange for a false promise of protection from fucking ghosts."
The Federal govenment isn't taking your rights away, they are widdling you rights away. They think if they very slowly take them away that you won't notice, and with most people this is true. Most muslim terrorist's won't take them away either, in fact most of them just want us to stop unconditionally supporting Israel, that is it. Most of them don't even want anything crazy like world domination, they just want thier land back. They also want nations somewhat independant of the global market. I can understand not wanting to work for Walmart or McDonald's or losing your culture by taking these companies in. Meanwhile the US bitches that Saddam used chemical weopons against thier own people, well so did we.. http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/docum ents/mkultrahearing/intro.htm let's not forget radiation experiments on US citizens http://www.antenna.nl/wise/441/4361.html. There are countless other atrocities the United States has performed against it's own citizens if you are just willing to poke your head around and learn the stuff they don't teach you in school.
I agree with you about not trusting the militia's (what you would call ghost's), most of them are filled with insane genuises, obedient dumb henchmen, and the ever rare sane genuises. If a milita was going to pull off something huge it would be most likely the result of an insane genuis, and life would most likely be pretty nasty for years to come.
Or maybe you were reffering to the real terrorists as ghost, I also agree with you there.
I do love the US, even though rights are diminishing, in some countries in the world I could still be executed for writing stuff like this.
-He wasn't linking guns to terrorism. He was linking the threatened use of guns against government officials as terrorism.-
He wasn't directly linking them, but the media and our government is. The truth is that there are much better forms of terrorism that involve household products. Take Columbine for instance, what if they blew up the school instead of shooting people? Fifteen people dead would have been nothing compared to the casualties from a full explosion.
Using guns against politicians is generally not to incite terror among the masses, but to create political reform or revolution.
I do believe the Federal government is afraid of the "50+ yr-old rednecks practicing with semiautomatics in the woods", not in a direct battle though. A couple of Apache helicopters could take them and thier fortifications out in minutes. The problem is that one these people can easily get ahold of chemicals to make explosives and do something like say...take out the Patent & Trademark Office. As much as some people hate the PTO, what is left of our current economy would be completely devastated without it, even being without it for a few years.
Or a non-redneck terrorist could with the help of a few individuals pull off a "fight club" type situation.
See the problem is our government and society is setup like a big bulky machine with a hard thick shell (with a few small holes). Anyone living on the inside of the machine could easily knock out just a few small gears to cause the machine to destroy itself. Not to mention What would the rest of the world do if the "policeman" was temporarily out of commision? I gave PTO as an example, but there are countless key points one could hit. I could name a hundred, but I don't feel like giving out too many ideas to people who might potentially use them.
Anyone can kill just about anyone else, but in some situations it requires you to make a trade, your life for thiers.
The only way to stop people from doing stuff like this is to remove the desire and incentive. All security holes cannot be plugged.
The anti-gun movement linking guns to terrorism is cheap. Who supplied the guns and training to the "terrorists"? WE DID! Who built up Afghanistan and Iraq? WE DID!!! Crime and terrorism are also linked to poverty, right? Most of these terrorist countries are extremely poor. The events of Sept 11th took place because of box knives, not guns. The terrorists commited the act to cause terror, but who delivered it to your home? Unless you live in New York it was CNN or some other media outlet playing the horrific scenes over and over again to burn them into your brain. Should we get rid of the press as well because they HELP terrorism? I say hell no!!
What next a padded world with plastic spoons, thorazine, and no shoelaces? That is the ideal world of the leftist, It would make it very hard to hurt ourselves and someone else (god forbid). Rather the leftist should just come to grip with the cold nature of human reality. Humans have been inhumane to humanity thoughout time, it is our nature, there is no way to stop it short of killing off all humans. Then lions will still hunt and kill thier prey (MR. Leftist says, "oh no, the injustice of the world").
Meanwhile we call terrorists "cowards", as they give up thier own lives for thier cause, while us chicken shits in the US send in our laser guided bombs from a distance.
Don't get me wrong, I love the US. I hate the propaganda, corruption, and unconditional support of a terrorist country (Israel). We should help Israel if it's well behaved, but lately it has been a rabid dog. Supporting one terrorist over the other is stupid and will likely get us hit much harder than Sept 11th.
Looking for one volunteer to stand at the end of an indoor shooting range while holding a mylar baloon in front of thier face at arms length. We will test this theory by firing a round from my SKS to see if the mylar baloon will deflect the round and keep it from hitting the volunteers face.
Why not just use the ever so famous slashdot response... hit it with the tesla death ray, or a large directed enery weapon.
Yeah this sounds a lot like the "War on drugs", we all no how effective that was. Are we going to demand that Mexico, China, Italy, and many more countries stop producing guns? Yeah that'll work LOTS (hint of sarcasm). Because if we don't, we just create more of an illegal gun trade (the same people running the drugs in this country love your mentality).
In my mind guns are a very good thing, we just need to educate the ignorant people in this country about thier proper use. If you did get rid of guns, what next? knives ? scissors? Power tools? Cars? How about we pad the whole world like a mental hospital, so that no one ever gets hurt. We can even demand people give up their shoe laces.
People need to take responsibity for their actions, enough of this "I spilled coffee on myself, give me 10 million dollars" or "The tobbacco industry made me destroy myself, give me 10 million dollars" or "its the gun industrys fault I was looking down the barrel of a loaded gun while cleaning it, give me ten million dollars". We should be thanking these industries for supporting Darwin, not suing them. Now there is a warning labels on everything, because companies have to assume your missing three chromasomes, as well as your common sense.
I quit smoking, its not that hard, and I smoked two pack a day of Pall Malls. If this country really cared about the heath threat, the money would have "really" gone to prevention programs and health programs. I live in Utah, here they pave the roads with the tar from peoples lungs.
Heck, anyone with an IQ over 80 can put together a bomb that if properly placed can wipe out a couple thousand people. Speaking of bombs, what would have happened at Columbine had those propane canisters gone off? Instead of 13 people dead it would have been a whole lot more. Had that been their main focus, I'm sure they would have gone off.
The reason stuff like this is happening is because the press glamourizes it. Now every kid in America thinks that if they kill fifty people at school, they will end up immortalized, and they will even have their own video released with an anti-gun soundtrack. The reason this happens is because some people would rather live (or die) in infamy, than to have people never know thier names.
Ask yourself in all of this, who has the cash lined pockets from this occurence? Is it the same people that are telling you guns are bad?
This is an unrelated question, and I hope I don't offend any body, I now some of you will take it the wrong way. In regards to the Columbine occurence, how hard is it to count bodies? Did the American public even hear the true story?
Emergency room statistics-only 6% percent of people die from gunshot wounds. Maybe I'm strange, but I'd rather be shot to death, than beaten or stabbed to death.
Look to Switzerland, then look to DC. Don't just look at guns though, look at culture, look at education, look at the amount of people living in poverty. You will see a well armed society does reduce crime, you will also see education, culture, and capital also greatly effect crime.
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The real question... did the universe make a sound during the Big Bang if life had not yet formed to hear it?
Offtopic but...
Many people have talked about Henry Ford in this post as if he was such a great guy. Does everybody know who was one of the most influencial people in the United States for the National Socialist Party (Nazi's)? Henry Ford was a well voiced American Nazi, most famous for his book "The International Jew".
now would be a great time to sell short!
more guns=more death. and how is that a good thing?
First tell that to 6 million dead jews that might have had a better chance for survival had they as a whole been armed. Let us not also forget the gypsies and the homosexuals. Don't tell me the world has been cleansed of those who would do this type of evil to other men. Don't think in America that this would never happen, it's pure arrogance. Hell in 20 years I'll be suprised if there is a U.S.A. I realize even if such an event were to take place now that guns probably wouldn't make a huge difference, but they would make a difference.
It's all part of natural cycle, death is good. Anything that keeps the population down right now will allieviate much suffering from overpopulation in the future. Population control is good and necessary, though mother nature does a better more natural job of this, we are now fairly removed from nature. Since most of us are quite removed from harm these days we need something to kill the stupid people. Since we don't have free roaming large man eating animals to eat the dumb kids who poked them with sticks (thier parents didn't warn them), we now have guns. Get off you idealistic soapbox. DEATH is NATURAL and NECESSARY. LIFE IS NOT FAIR OR JUST!
Dumbass, I am not the same poster who was originally arguing with you.
.45 with hollow-points, it at least increases the potential for a fatality.
In fact I wasn't really arguing anything with the last post, just pointing out an observation.
Guns should be a lot better at killing people, since that is thier intended purpose. I'd be pissed if I bought any other tool that was so limited and ineffective. That is of course why I use
I certainly as hell wouldn't want to add "smart gun" technolgy to the list of possible failures that I might encounter, especially when my life is riding on the line.
I love guns, but if I could rid the world of them I would, along with all the rest of the evils in the world. That idea is about as practical as the failure, money-making, "war on drugs". So when I don't have a need for the "tool" anymore I will happily surrender it. That will never happen in my lifetime though because there have always been NASTY people and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Besides gun fatalities help with Darwinism, by killing off both the stupid and the evil. Why protect people from thier stupidity?
Guns really aren't that deadly, take a look at emergency room statistics. If I wanted to make sure someone was dead and I had the choice of using a #2 pencil or one 9mm FMJ round, I'd use the pencil with some creativity. Heck one of my former co-workers is alive becuase guns suck at killing people, he pulled a b-b gun on cops and they shot him nine times. Six times in the legs, twice in the abdomen, and once in the head (bullet bounced off of skull). All of these shots were with 9mm FMJ rounds. I saw him walking around just the other day and he wasn't limping or anything.
This is one of my favorite quotes...
If guns kill people, then...
-pencils missspel words.
-cars make people drive drunk.
-spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.
To add to my argument...
Maybe we should make pencils that fix spelling errors, then I won't have to learn to spell.
Maybe they should make cars that smell alcohol and don't operate, then I won't have to learn responsiblity and self control.
Maybe we should have fat police, because I sure as hell have seen a lot more 80 year old chain-smokers than 80 year old chunkers. Sorry, I apologize to the poor chunkers who are helpless victims of McDonalds. (they made you eat it)
Maybe we should ban television and computers, then have mandatory exercise since heart disease kills so many people.
Maybe we should have a law banning all bones in food, since so many people and thier pets choke to death.
Maybe we should really stop making such stupid fscking laws, that don't really solve anything.
This guy must be in Utah. "Nice" Mormons always do things for each other for free and often get no thanks for doing it. So they expect the same from others. Try working for tips in Utah, Mormons feel you are providing a free service by bringing food to thier tables (or pizza's to thier house). When they do tip you, you also know that you are only going to get five percent, because they already gave 10% to the church. Yes I know this is a horrible stereotype, and it doesn't hold true 100% of the time, but there is quite a bit of truth to it. Feel free to argue with me if you have worked off of tips in Utah for 1 year or more, otherwise I don't want to hear it. To those that say love Utah or leave it, I've already left and it feels good to live.
No my point is not that there is an armed terrorist group in the US planning ANYTHING that I know of. My point is that the goverment does fear these Militia's because quite a few of them are intelligent enough to pull off mass destruction against the United States. Anybody who would take out a place like PTO would probably be doing it to ruin the financial infrastructure of the United States, apparently I need to spell it out for you. If Intel/Micron/IBM/HP..... (Thousands of others) are not able to patent thier new technology, they will not release thier new technology until they can patent it. This would kill QUITE a few companies and throw the United States into financial choas. These days the United States is more of a financial power than a military power. If you pull the power on a vacuum cleaner it can be the most sophisticated vacuum in the world and it will still die.
.. http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/docum ents/mkultrahearing/intro.htm let's not forget radiation experiments on US citizens http://www.antenna.nl/wise/441/4361.html .
"and if they ever actually did anything to threaten any of those organizations"
Yes you're right, if they did threaten those organizatiosn they would be dead (or locked up REALLY tight). If they just ACTED, instead of threatening, they could probably catch the United states with it's pants down, all it requires is a little creativity. The US is like Microsoft in that it likes to potray the image of impenetrability.(Usama proved that one, and so did the "hick" Oklahoma city bomber)
"Which means what? That they could hire Brad Pitt to kick my ass? I'll take my chances"
Yeah, Brad Pitt is not too scary I agree. Apparantly you haven't seen "fight club", hate to spoil it for you, they blow-up all credit reporting agency headquarters, if I need to explain the choas that this would create, I will not even bother arguing with you anymore, I'll recommend you go back to first grade so you can argue that 1+1=3 with a teacher (who you might call a dumb redneck) who will insist that it is indeed 2.
"What would the rest of the world do if the "policeman" was temporarily out of commision?
Temporarily kick anybody's ass that tries any bullshit just because the cops are out of the picture"
I am not reffering to literal police, I am reffering to the United States as the policemen of the world. I imagine Israel/Taiwan/Pakistan would be quite vunerable if we were unable to defend them. Though quite a few Allied/NATO/EU countries have the advanced military technology to defend themselves, most of them don't have large enough militaries to launch a multi-front offensive if Israel/Taiwan/Pakistan were attacked. Sure they could hit the big red button that says "NUKE", but I imagine most of them would sit relatively silent on the side until the US could stand itself up to support them. By then it might be too late.
"Honestly I am not afraid of the federal government or of any terrorist (Muslim or Xian) taking my rights/guns/property/speech/wellbeing... I am afraid of my fellow citizen voluntarily giving up these things in exchange for a false promise of protection from fucking ghosts."
The Federal govenment isn't taking your rights away, they are widdling you rights away. They think if they very slowly take them away that you won't notice, and with most people this is true. Most muslim terrorist's won't take them away either, in fact most of them just want us to stop unconditionally supporting Israel, that is it. Most of them don't even want anything crazy like world domination, they just want thier land back. They also want nations somewhat independant of the global market. I can understand not wanting to work for Walmart or McDonald's or losing your culture by taking these companies in. Meanwhile the US bitches that Saddam used chemical weopons against thier own people, well so did we
There are countless other atrocities the United States has performed against it's own citizens if you are just willing to poke your head around and learn the stuff they don't teach you in school.
I agree with you about not trusting the militia's (what you would call ghost's), most of them are filled with insane genuises, obedient dumb henchmen, and the ever rare sane genuises. If a milita was going to pull off something huge it would be most likely the result of an insane genuis, and life would most likely be pretty nasty for years to come.
Or maybe you were reffering to the real terrorists as ghost, I also agree with you there.
I do love the US, even though rights are diminishing, in some countries in the world I could still be executed for writing stuff like this.
Pardon my mistake.
-He wasn't linking guns to terrorism. He was linking the threatened use of guns against government officials as terrorism.-
He wasn't directly linking them, but the media and our government is. The truth is that there are much better forms of terrorism that involve household products. Take Columbine for instance, what if they blew up the school instead of shooting people? Fifteen people dead would have been nothing compared to the casualties from a full explosion.
Using guns against politicians is generally not to incite terror among the masses, but to create political reform or revolution.
I do believe the Federal government is afraid of the "50+ yr-old rednecks practicing with semiautomatics in the woods", not in a direct battle though. A couple of Apache helicopters could take them and thier fortifications out in minutes. The problem is that one these people can easily get ahold of chemicals to make explosives and do something like say...take out the Patent & Trademark Office. As much as some people hate the PTO, what is left of our current economy would be completely devastated without it, even being without it for a few years.
Or a non-redneck terrorist could with the help of a few individuals pull off a "fight club" type situation.
See the problem is our government and society is setup like a big bulky machine with a hard thick shell (with a few small holes). Anyone living on the inside of the machine could easily knock out just a few small gears to cause the machine to destroy itself. Not to mention What would the rest of the world do if the "policeman" was temporarily out of commision? I gave PTO as an example, but there are countless key points one could hit. I could name a hundred, but I don't feel like giving out too many ideas to people who might potentially use them.
Anyone can kill just about anyone else, but in some situations it requires you to make a trade, your life for thiers.
The only way to stop people from doing stuff like this is to remove the desire and incentive. All security holes cannot be plugged.
Diclaimer: I do not support terrorist actions!!!
The anti-gun movement linking guns to terrorism is cheap. Who supplied the guns and training to the "terrorists"? WE DID! Who built up Afghanistan and Iraq? WE DID!!! Crime and terrorism are also linked to poverty, right? Most of these terrorist countries are extremely poor. The events of Sept 11th took place because of box knives, not guns. The terrorists commited the act to cause terror, but who delivered it to your home? Unless you live in New York it was CNN or some other media outlet playing the horrific scenes over and over again to burn them into your brain. Should we get rid of the press as well because they HELP terrorism? I say hell no!!
What next a padded world with plastic spoons, thorazine, and no shoelaces? That is the ideal world of the leftist, It would make it very hard to hurt ourselves and someone else (god forbid). Rather the leftist should just come to grip with the cold nature of human reality. Humans have been inhumane to humanity thoughout time, it is our nature, there is no way to stop it short of killing off all humans. Then lions will still hunt and kill thier prey (MR. Leftist says, "oh no, the injustice of the world").
Meanwhile we call terrorists "cowards", as they give up thier own lives for thier cause, while us chicken shits in the US send in our laser guided bombs from a distance.
Don't get me wrong, I love the US. I hate the propaganda, corruption, and unconditional support of a terrorist country (Israel). We should help Israel if it's well behaved, but lately it has been a rabid dog. Supporting one terrorist over the other is stupid and will likely get us hit much harder than Sept 11th.
It looks like I have found my volunteer......
The test:
Looking for one volunteer to stand at the end of an indoor shooting range while holding a mylar baloon in front of thier face at arms length. We will test this theory by firing a round from my SKS to see if the mylar baloon will deflect the round and keep it from hitting the volunteers face.
Why not just use the ever so famous slashdot response... hit it with the tesla death ray, or a large directed enery weapon.
Or we could just fling Rosie O'Donell at it!
I did enjoy spiderman a bit more.
AotC is a lot better than the first episode,
very little jar-jar, and I got to see the senator
nipples poking through her outfit.
The feeling I get is that the first films (4,5,6)
were put together as a creative artform, and
Episode 1 and 2 are all about retirement for
Lucas.
Maybe it is Bin Laden spreading propaganda and code words for the next attack! It is more likely to be that than a real OS.
In my mind guns are a very good thing, we just need to educate the ignorant people in this country about thier proper use. If you did get rid of guns, what next? knives ? scissors? Power tools? Cars? How about we pad the whole world like a mental hospital, so that no one ever gets hurt. We can even demand people give up their shoe laces.
People need to take responsibity for their actions, enough of this "I spilled coffee on myself, give me 10 million dollars" or "The tobbacco industry made me destroy myself, give me 10 million dollars" or "its the gun industrys fault I was looking down the barrel of a loaded gun while cleaning it, give me ten million dollars". We should be thanking these industries for supporting Darwin, not suing them. Now there is a warning labels on everything, because companies have to assume your missing three chromasomes, as well as your common sense.
I quit smoking, its not that hard, and I smoked two pack a day of Pall Malls. If this country really cared about the heath threat, the money would have "really" gone to prevention programs and health programs. I live in Utah, here they pave the roads with the tar from peoples lungs.
Heck, anyone with an IQ over 80 can put together a bomb that if properly placed can wipe out a couple thousand people. Speaking of bombs, what would have happened at Columbine had those propane canisters gone off? Instead of 13 people dead it would have been a whole lot more. Had that been their main focus, I'm sure they would have gone off.
The reason stuff like this is happening is because the press glamourizes it. Now every kid in America thinks that if they kill fifty people at school, they will end up immortalized, and they will even have their own video released with an anti-gun soundtrack. The reason this happens is because some people would rather live (or die) in infamy, than to have people never know thier names.
Ask yourself in all of this, who has the cash lined pockets from this occurence? Is it the same people that are telling you guns are bad?
This is an unrelated question, and I hope I don't offend any body, I now some of you will take it the wrong way. In regards to the Columbine occurence, how hard is it to count bodies? Did the American public even hear the true story?
Emergency room statistics-only 6% percent of people die from gunshot wounds. Maybe I'm strange, but I'd rather be shot to death, than beaten or stabbed to death.
Look to Switzerland, then look to DC. Don't just look at guns though, look at culture, look at education, look at the amount of people living in poverty. You will see a well armed society does reduce crime, you will also see education, culture, and capital also greatly effect crime.