addictions to games IS a problem. Games need to be MODERATED, not played willy-nilly by uncontrolled kids and adults.
Kids maybe but adults? I take it you're in the "it's for your own good" camp. Where you can decide what I do with my life based purely on what you think is "good" for me. You have no right at all to stop me sitting playing any game I choose until I develop blood clots in my brain and die. It is a minor problem. It's in not your problem. Run your own life, let others run theirs.
as for violent games: http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/04/gaming-real-vio.html "The graph makes no direct claims towards a relationship between real world and gaming violence, though it's interesting to see an inversely proportional trend of violent gaming releases and incidents of real crime."
And if his game console had burst into flames and burned the house down maiming him then he might have regretted staying in even more. If he'd slipped in the shower and broken his spine he'd regret that too. Accidents happen. Accept that. Live life. Try to get some actual experiences of your own rather than just reading about other peoples.
Competitive sports is one of the worst things to get children involved in. These are often injury prone activities which have marginal educational or intellectual value. As a child I've learned far more from television and books than I have from playing street hockey.
Well if you hardly ever play street hockey then you're not going to learn much from it. Unless the sport is reasonably injury prone then it's been watered down too much by people who want to wrap their children in cotton wool.
Shooting a rapid in a kayak can be one of the most enjoyable activities and it's far from safe even when you're experienced. It was "normal" for even experienced members of my canoe club to get injured on river trips every now and then. And you learned to accept that and enjoy life. The best example was a girl in my club who was very experienced but got injured at the end of a race, hit some minor turbulance and flipped over. She broke her paddles off a rock. She pulled herself out of the river and comes over to us "My (expensive)paddles!:(" to which the reply was "um.... your hand..." as she had a very obviously badly broken finger. she takes one look at her hand, shrugs and repeats "my paddles!".
Tough as nails that girl, now the moral of the story is- fingers heal. She wasn't bothered because she knew and accepted that and it happens. That's life. Unless you want your child to be some crybaby who runs to mommy with every scratch sports which involve routine minor injuries of some kind is a must.
Ideally your parents should have raised you instead of an institution.
His parents however couldn't provide real life social interaction. Learning to deal with other people is worth a hundred times more than knowing any amount of trivia about the life of copernicus.
Jumping off dirt hills is neither educational, enlightening, nor safe; and football is one of the most injury prone sports.
Since when is childhood about "safe"? as for "educational" childhood isn't school, "education" and experience are 2 very different animals and experience is the much more valuable of the 2. As stated before- football is unsafe, so what? gonna let fear of a broken bone ruin your childrens lives?
What children learn from socializing with each other is what most adults learn from socializing with each other; they learn to re-enforce their prejudices, and waste their time talking about mindless and trivial matters.
They learn how to deal with being called names, they learn how to make witty comebacks, they learn how to think fast, they learn how to make friends, they learn how to be interesting to others. Learn only from your parents or only from the little voices inside your own head is inferior in every way. Watching "the fact of life" doesn't teach kids the real facts of life. Reading "how to make friends and influence people" does far less to teach you how to do those things than playing tag with the other kids. Watching "touching the void" isn't the same as actually going hiking.
The old problems are gone but there's a whole host of new ones. Radiation wasn't a problem for the settlers of the new world, produvcing their own air wasn't either. Some of the colonies in the new world basicly ran on fresh bodies. Each wave of colonists arriving just in time to replace the dead and sure up supplies for the next winter. Part of what kept it going was that people in europe had no idea how bad things were when they signed up.
Hopefully we'll be better prepared for mars but a few disasters could kill the whole project since we'll be watching it on TV half an hour after it happens.
If you watch the video he points out that is isn't very specific.
So you're argument is that it doesn't matter that you can be arrested for anything because police are nice and would never arrest you unless you deserved it? Sure. Lets forget about even having real laws and settle with "if we say so you go to jail". there's no real need for these law things or the posibility of not breaking them. Authority figures will just try to do what's best and never abuse their power...
Then re-read my post. I'm not knocking on you using it. Someone threw the "what if someone gets high and hurts someone" bullshit. I said that that's their problem. If you hurt someone while on drugs it's not the drugs fault, it's yours for choosing to screw up your ability to make rational decisions. People shouldn't be stopped from using drugs just because some people act stupidly while under their effect. So I'm saying you should have every right to sit watching TV taking whatever drugs you want.
problem: your solution gets very very heavy over time. How about this: 1 year after a law comes in it has to be reviewed, then 2 years after that, then 4 years after that, then 8 years after that etc etc etc. a law which has stood for 100 years without being repealed or edited is probably pretty solid. A law which was passed in the heat of the moment is probably useless.
this has the advantage that even with a lot of laws the weight of re-testing them gets less over time.
problem: your kids can get drugs while out partying very very easily anyway. Only differencs is that with the illegal trade the drugs they get could be 50% rat poision, cut with ground glass or any number of other things.
And it looks like the point flew right over your head. I don't think the bible is inherently evil, it's silly but no more evil than any other religious book. When you next hear about a passage in the koran commanding something crazy just remember, it probably has just as much context behind it as that quote from the bible.
perfectly true but remember next time you hear some reference to some horrible command in the koran- there's probably just as much background as there is for this. The fact that this is in the bible doesn't make every christian evil even if a few nutters smash kids heads in based on it.
Pizza boys don't have the legal power to throw me in a cell. If you're an american, no matter what state you can be jailed for carrying a lobster. If you view the video above about why you should never ever ever ever speak to the police he talks about how people have in fact been put in jail over that law.
I'm guessing that at some point you've had a fake ID- and so that's not a serious crime, others would say that it's very serious indeed because you're making it harder to spot the real terrorists or some shit.
So you wouldn't mind if police pulled up to you every now and then on the street to pat you down, pass a metal detector over you, let the sniffer dog check you. And if every few months they knocked on your door and searched your home in a similar manner? If 1% of such searches turn something up it's fine right?
Have you actually READ the bible? there's sections in there about how smashing babies heads in with rocks is doing gods work and that slavery is perfectly ok.
Why nobody in america should ever talk to the police. ever.No matter how innocent. You can be a criminal for possesion of a lobster, opeing a packet of cigarettes without fully destroying the tax seal and for any number of lesser known laws.
Nobody in america is truely innocent. Everyone has broken the law at some point and almost everyone breaks the law many times a day without ever knowing.
If you kill someone in a drunken rage or kill someone drunk driving is that the barmans fault or your own since you chose to drink? It's your fault no matter what you're on.
The drugs are not killing your victim, you are and it's your fault if you chose to take the drugs.
lets all judge an entire religion or group based on it's worst examples.
So: Looking at the Christians: All catholics are pedophiles who's homes should be searched for child porn. All catholics believe that young women who get pregnant outside of wedlock should be confined to church run institutions, beaten and abused. All Christians like to burn witches.
Looking at Atheists: They're all massively arrogant jackasses like Dawkins.
Looking at Americans: They all talk with a thick southern accent, spit all the time and distill whiskey out in the swamp.
"Most of us want to catch people doing illegal things."
I can almost garantee that you commit many jailable offences each and every day without even knowing. There are so many catch-all rules, stupid laws and laws which forbid things they're not intended to forbid.
I'm betting if the police just randomly grabed people off the street and subjected them to everything up to cavity searches more than 1% would be found to be carrying drugs,knives longer than the legal length, fake ID's or be found to be violating some other pisant little law.
Hell if a police officers followed any random person for a single day as they went about their blameless buisness there's close to a 100% chancethat person could be caught commiting enough "crimes" to put them away for life.
It boils down to the fact that if a law enforcement official doesn't like your face he can find some ancient law you've been violating and put you away.
can men and women socialize together the same way they can in their same gender?
From nights out with my CS class I'd say not... if there was as much ass grabbing of female members of the class as males then we'd be in trouble... I wonder why our nights out always seem to involve copious homo-eroticism...
God yes but perhaps better phrased as Women and men might tend to be better suited to different professions on average.
That says nothing about any individual.
Men are taller than women on average but the tallest person in a room of randomly chosen people could very well be a women. Course if you say "men are taller than women" without adding the words "on average" your statement will be incorrect but probably won't get your head bitten off as much as stating any other statistical difference between the genders without including the magic words "on average".
Well when one sex has on average better colour vision, a slightly better sense of smell and various differences in the brain then it seems fairly obvious that there will be differences in the professions which they will excel at or be interested in. It then just becomes a question of "what will the professions be"
Ah the oft toted argument. Problem is that even with infants only a few weeks old, if you test their attention span for different stimula then you'll find that little girls tend to be more interested in faces and will pay attention to them longer and little boys will tend to be more interested in things and pay attention to them longer.
Children are not empty vessels, sure you can beat them into the shape with enough force applied but not everything is due to outside influence.
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addictions to games IS a problem. Games need to be MODERATED, not played willy-nilly by uncontrolled kids and adults.
Kids maybe but adults?
I take it you're in the "it's for your own good" camp. Where you can decide what I do with my life based purely on what you think is "good" for me.
You have no right at all to stop me sitting playing any game I choose until I develop blood clots in my brain and die.
It is a minor problem. It's in not your problem. Run your own life, let others run theirs.
as for violent games:
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/04/gaming-real-vio.html
"The graph makes no direct claims towards a relationship between real world and gaming violence, though it's interesting to see an inversely proportional trend of violent gaming releases and incidents of real crime."
And if his game console had burst into flames and burned the house down maiming him then he might have regretted staying in even more.
If he'd slipped in the shower and broken his spine he'd regret that too.
Accidents happen. Accept that. Live life. Try to get some actual experiences of your own rather than just reading about other peoples.
Competitive sports is one of the worst things to get children involved in. These are often injury prone activities which have marginal educational or intellectual value. As a child I've learned far more from television and books than I have from playing street hockey.
Well if you hardly ever play street hockey then you're not going to learn much from it.
Unless the sport is reasonably injury prone then it's been watered down too much by people who want to wrap their children in cotton wool.
Shooting a rapid in a kayak can be one of the most enjoyable activities and it's far from safe even when you're experienced. It was "normal" for even experienced members of my canoe club to get injured on river trips every now and then. And you learned to accept that and enjoy life. The best example was a girl in my club who was very experienced but got injured at the end of a race, hit some minor turbulance and flipped over. She broke her paddles off a rock. She pulled herself out of the river and comes over to us "My (expensive)paddles! :(" to which the reply was "um.... your hand..." as she had a very obviously badly broken finger. she takes one look at her hand, shrugs and repeats "my paddles!".
Tough as nails that girl, now the moral of the story is- fingers heal. She wasn't bothered because she knew and accepted that and it happens. That's life. Unless you want your child to be some crybaby who runs to mommy with every scratch sports which involve routine minor injuries of some kind is a must.
Ideally your parents should have raised you instead of an institution.
His parents however couldn't provide real life social interaction. Learning to deal with other people is worth a hundred times more than knowing any amount of trivia about the life of copernicus.
Jumping off dirt hills is neither educational, enlightening, nor safe; and football is one of the most injury prone sports.
Since when is childhood about "safe"? as for "educational" childhood isn't school, "education" and experience are 2 very different animals and experience is the much more valuable of the 2.
As stated before- football is unsafe, so what? gonna let fear of a broken bone ruin your childrens lives?
What children learn from socializing with each other is what most adults learn from socializing with each other; they learn to re-enforce their prejudices, and waste their time talking about mindless and trivial matters.
They learn how to deal with being called names, they learn how to make witty comebacks, they learn how to think fast, they learn how to make friends, they learn how to be interesting to others. Learn only from your parents or only from the little voices inside your own head is inferior in every way.
Watching "the fact of life" doesn't teach kids the real facts of life.
Reading "how to make friends and influence people" does far less to teach you how to do those things than playing tag with the other kids.
Watching "touching the void" isn't the same as actually going hiking.
The old problems are gone but there's a whole host of new ones.
Radiation wasn't a problem for the settlers of the new world, produvcing their own air wasn't either.
Some of the colonies in the new world basicly ran on fresh bodies. Each wave of colonists arriving just in time to replace the dead and sure up supplies for the next winter.
Part of what kept it going was that people in europe had no idea how bad things were when they signed up.
Hopefully we'll be better prepared for mars but a few disasters could kill the whole project since we'll be watching it on TV half an hour after it happens.
myth.
If you watch the video he points out that is isn't very specific.
So you're argument is that it doesn't matter that you can be arrested for anything because police are nice and would never arrest you unless you deserved it?
Sure.
Lets forget about even having real laws and settle with "if we say so you go to jail". there's no real need for these law things or the posibility of not breaking them. Authority figures will just try to do what's best and never abuse their power...
Then re-read my post.
I'm not knocking on you using it.
Someone threw the "what if someone gets high and hurts someone" bullshit.
I said that that's their problem.
If you hurt someone while on drugs it's not the drugs fault, it's yours for choosing to screw up your ability to make rational decisions.
People shouldn't be stopped from using drugs just because some people act stupidly while under their effect.
So I'm saying you should have every right to sit watching TV taking whatever drugs you want.
problem: your solution gets very very heavy over time.
How about this: 1 year after a law comes in it has to be reviewed, then 2 years after that, then 4 years after that, then 8 years after that etc etc etc.
a law which has stood for 100 years without being repealed or edited is probably pretty solid.
A law which was passed in the heat of the moment is probably useless.
this has the advantage that even with a lot of laws the weight of re-testing them gets less over time.
problem: your kids can get drugs while out partying very very easily anyway.
Only differencs is that with the illegal trade the drugs they get could be 50% rat poision, cut with ground glass or any number of other things.
set your threshold lower, I think you think I was replying to a different post.
And it looks like the point flew right over your head.
I don't think the bible is inherently evil, it's silly but no more evil than any other religious book.
When you next hear about a passage in the koran commanding something crazy just remember, it probably has just as much context behind it as that quote from the bible.
perfectly true but remember next time you hear some reference to some horrible command in the koran- there's probably just as much background as there is for this. The fact that this is in the bible doesn't make every christian evil even if a few nutters smash kids heads in based on it.
Pizza boys don't have the legal power to throw me in a cell.
If you're an american, no matter what state you can be jailed for carrying a lobster. If you view the video above about why you should never ever ever ever speak to the police he talks about how people have in fact been put in jail over that law.
I'm guessing that at some point you've had a fake ID- and so that's not a serious crime, others would say that it's very serious indeed because you're making it harder to spot the real terrorists or some shit.
So you wouldn't mind if police pulled up to you every now and then on the street to pat you down, pass a metal detector over you, let the sniffer dog check you.
And if every few months they knocked on your door and searched your home in a similar manner?
If 1% of such searches turn something up it's fine right?
For the actual quote:
"Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock."
Psalm 137:9
Have you actually READ the bible? there's sections in there about how smashing babies heads in with rocks is doing gods work and that slavery is perfectly ok.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8167533318153586646&hl=en
Why nobody in america should ever talk to the police. ever.No matter how innocent.
You can be a criminal for possesion of a lobster, opeing a packet of cigarettes without fully destroying the tax seal and for any number of lesser known laws.
Nobody in america is truely innocent. Everyone has broken the law at some point and almost everyone breaks the law many times a day without ever knowing.
If you kill someone in a drunken rage or kill someone drunk driving is that the barmans fault or your own since you chose to drink?
It's your fault no matter what you're on.
The drugs are not killing your victim, you are and it's your fault if you chose to take the drugs.
So no, this is an entirely invalid point.
lets all judge an entire religion or group based on it's worst examples.
So:
Looking at the Christians:
All catholics are pedophiles who's homes should be searched for child porn.
All catholics believe that young women who get pregnant outside of wedlock should be confined to church run institutions, beaten and abused.
All Christians like to burn witches.
Looking at Atheists:
They're all massively arrogant jackasses like Dawkins.
Looking at Americans:
They all talk with a thick southern accent, spit all the time and distill whiskey out in the swamp.
Muslims:
What you said.
"Most of us want to catch people doing illegal things."
I can almost garantee that you commit many jailable offences each and every day without even knowing. There are so many catch-all rules, stupid laws and laws which forbid things they're not intended to forbid.
I'm betting if the police just randomly grabed people off the street and subjected them to everything up to cavity searches more than 1% would be found to be carrying drugs,knives longer than the legal length, fake ID's or be found to be violating some other pisant little law.
Hell if a police officers followed any random person for a single day as they went about their blameless buisness there's close to a 100% chancethat person could be caught commiting enough "crimes" to put them away for life.
It boils down to the fact that if a law enforcement official doesn't like your face he can find some ancient law you've been violating and put you away.
can men and women socialize together the same way they can in their same gender?
From nights out with my CS class I'd say not... if there was as much ass grabbing of female members of the class as males then we'd be in trouble... I wonder why our nights out always seem to involve copious homo-eroticism...
God yes but perhaps better phrased as Women and men might tend to be better suited to different professions on average.
That says nothing about any individual.
Men are taller than women on average but the tallest person in a room of randomly chosen people could very well be a women. Course if you say "men are taller than women" without adding the words "on average" your statement will be incorrect but probably won't get your head bitten off as much as stating any other statistical difference between the genders without including the magic words "on average".
Well when one sex has on average better colour vision, a slightly better sense of smell and various differences in the brain then it seems fairly obvious that there will be differences in the professions which they will excel at or be interested in.
It then just becomes a question of "what will the professions be"
Ah the oft toted argument.
Problem is that even with infants only a few weeks old, if you test their attention span for different stimula then you'll find that little girls tend to be more interested in faces and will pay attention to them longer and little boys will tend to be more interested in things and pay attention to them longer.
Children are not empty vessels, sure you can beat them into the shape with enough force applied but not everything is due to outside influence.