Cause once you're certain you can go back to normal knowing who is being nice because of the tits and who is being friendly based on the rest of you.
Or you could go with simpler still- fake leprosy:D
But as to be second point earlier, girls can be like that too. I've had some very predatory female co-workers in a part time job with a high female to male ratio. Course I was young and single so I had no problem with the situation. What I mean is- it's not unique to mostly male workplaces.
And trying to force it is only going to hurt people. It's getting to the point that if girls are particularly capable of doing math/science they get pushed to even if they don't want to in the name of equality.
For gods sake let people choose for themselves even if they don't make the choices you think they should!
I'm fairly sure there was a dilbert comic on that a while back which I can't find...
As for your point: would that also be a reason why there are so few males going into nursing? Being uncertain whether someone wants to talk to you because they want to be friendly just because or whether it's partly because of your gender must be terrible. Try picking subjects which your male work colleges have no interest in and talk about them constantly to see how many get bored and stop trying to talk to you, anyone left either has very dull hobbies or is just interested in your tits.
I have no problem with the subtle little brain washing things like product placement done well. As long as it blends in I'd be perfectly happy with billboards in GTA advertising real products. Seeing junked coke machines in a post apocalyptic setting would be only fitting. But advertisers don't like subtle. That billboard can't be a washed out piece of the background, no it would have to be primary colours jumping out of the screen at me.
They could put ads on the loading screen but then the pressure is on the devs to prolong the loading screens rather than shorten them.
And because of that I will not accept adverising in pay games.
On the other hand if I get a game for free I'm not going to complain about the developer putting in ads.
I am not going to go into every little thing you write and refute them;
You should try it. I find it to be a good way of judging an argument, if I can take every single point from a post and refute it easily then that whole person's argument is a piece of crap. If on the other hand I can't refute them and can only pick 2 or 3 minor side points then it forces me to really look at their points and consider them. give it a shot! it's fun!
you don't seem to be the kind of person that would try to consider things calmly and rationally.
wow, I can see you know everything about me already, I'm quite capable of being calm and rational it just saves time to point and shout "bullshit" when people are talking bullshit. If I talk too slowly and too calmly people get bored listening.
I don't know - can you code?
Certainly. And that puts me in a tiny percentage of the population who not only has the capacity to but has also spent the time and effort so there's going to be more of the "quite nerdy" guys rather than the jocks in that group.
Seriously, though, bullying isn't just reserved for those who are weak of mind;
certainly but it is more common. people strong of mind normally find other hobbies or get elected where they can bully entire countries.
and anyway, writing a few lines in a scripting language isn't exactly rocket science.
it's not but there's an old story. A man calls an maintenance man because his dryer is broken. So he arrives, takes one look at it, pulls out a hammer and gives it an almighty whack. The dryer starts working perfectly. The maintenance man hands over a bill for 100 dollars for "repairs". The customer objects since "all you did was hit it with a hammer" The maintenance man nods, takes back the bill, writes for a second and hands it back reading "hitting it with a hammer- $10" "knowing where to hit it- $90"
it's perfectly true to say that writing an annoying script is easy but you have to know a lot more before you know what to do to do it easily.
All it takes to be a bully is that you derive satisfaction from doing it; it could be as simple as having found out that being rude and making sure to hurt other people makes you feel "assertive". It is probably only a small minority that are psychopaths, to whom it is "fun" to cause pain.
So trolls are bullies now? Or people who don't roll over and agree with you right away? or people who don't pretend you're right to make you feel better?
So sympathetic.
I've worked on my apathy for years. It's the only defence when people start pouring out the "won't someone please think of the children" crap and the little sob stories to push whatever crazy argument they have on the basis that they're used to people they're talking to face to face getting embarrassed talking to them at that point.
The attitude that you put on display is a very big part of why this is a problem at all;
subtle how you imply I cause kids to kill themselves.
you don't care, presumably because you think that you don't need the support of people around you. That's where you are wrong, however; you just haven't realized.
nah, I have plenty of support and it's been much use. I just know that no problems in my life like that have ever been fixed by the touchy feely be-nice-to-everyone crowd which you sound like. Standing up for myself rather than relying on various authority figures always turned out to be the much much better choice.
All in all, you seem extremely defensive, it's almost as if you are afraid I might be right.
Haven't hit a point of yours which has been hard to refute yet so I'm not too worried. Or is this the game where if I say "nah, you're talking crap
Bullying is bullying, whether it happens by means of computers or not, and it is never a pretty sight. The thing about computers and the internet is that they enable people to have a far longer reach and a greater impact;
Greater impact? Your ability to ignore jackasses is much greater on the internet. On chat? put em on your ignore list. Emailing you? block list. Saying things about you on a message board? same as if they're saying something about you in the newspaper.
it isn't just some lame excuse for imposing new censorship,
yes it is
there is actually a very real problem. In the days before the internet, bullying in the school at least stopped when you got home;
HAH! they could call you, they could mail you letters, they could hang around outside your house, they could mess with you in any number of ways.
but now it is on your telephone and on the internet, and with the use of simple scripts you can make it go on non-stop without any effort at all.
When was the last time you came across a bully who could code and used it to bully people? Be realistic. standard harassment laws apply.
And the other thing about doing things on the internet is that it is more anonymous - it is so much easier to be cruel to a person you don't have to watch,unless, of course, you get a kick out of seeing others in pain, and it is a lot easier to avoid getting caught.
Thing is the kick is in seeing them in pain. It's only easier to avoid getting caught if you actually try to be anon which most bullies don't do. I could mail you death threats every morning and be very hard to trace. Existing laws already cover this.
At least right up to the point where some kid chooses to end their life, which is a problem on the increase.
Boo fucking hoo. Kids kill themselves already when they get treated like crap in real life. this is no different and harrasment laws already apply.
I don't think the schools or service providers can do anything about the problem on their own. It is something that requires the whole of the community to work together against it; and that is yet another thing the internet has has an influence on: there isn't a lot of community feeling left.
Hah! Read back some of the slashdot comments from after columbine when the weirdos around the world got treated even worse than before, I saw more talk of how people various communities online became the only thing they had. The internet is all about communities of various types. It was built by the weirdos and nerds as the sort of place to suit them.
On the up-side, however, the internet could potentially be used to mobilize the community against this kind of thing.
true
People keep droning on about the nanny state and how everything would be better if the government just stayed out of everything; but how would that be better, when nobody in the community are willing to get off their soft arses and solve the problems? We get a nanny state because we, with our inaction and unwillingness to take part in a community, ask for it. I think it is verging on the contemptible to whine and complain about state interference when people don't even try to do it better themselves.
then go down to your local school and patrol around stopping the smaller kids being beaten up! it can start with you!
You assume you have to win. If you break a bullies nose every single time he gives you shit then how long is it going to keep up even if you get hurt worse? The fucking "curl up into a ball" shit only makes things worse.
Worst of all is school policies where you aren't allowed hit back even when attacked. all you may do if you want to avoid suspension is wrap your arms around your head and hope the kicking stops soon.
Disproportionate retaliation works great. I remember a few grades below me there was one of those overgrown douche-wads who tended to push round the others because he could. Well one day he went after a weedy little guy who happened to have balls like church bells. The ambulance took the dickhead away with a 5 inch strip of skin missing from the side of his face and since the teachers heard the full story all the little guy got was a few detentions. Big guy stopped hassling others and nobody ever fucked with the little guy every again.
We also had a case where a gang of 8 guys attacked some of my friends, I'll give the full story if anyone wants but it ended with a mob or 70 chasing them across the quad. We had plenty of fights at our school but gangs of tough guys attacking individuals simply wasn't tolerated by the students themselves.
School is basically like prison with less rape and more monotonous labour.
If someone start senting your child death threats written on postcards there's already a system. Email and texts are no different.New tech doesn't always need new rules.
So few people seem to be able to grasp the concept that you can generate wealth. You buy a broken down old wreck and spend your time rebuilding it. When you're done you sell it. The world is now richer by one car.
with smtp it's fairly trivial to forge a message so it appears to come from someone else and if you include some way I can send an email in an untraceable manner then what's stopping me from sending spam.
As for why you might want to send a message to people without being traced?
"Everyone! i've uncovered proof that the government is killing political dissidents and I have proof! *insert proof like a confidential message signed with the presidents private key* They'll probably kill me if they trace this! From A dissident"
penicillin is still often given to people although it is no longer as effective as before. Many modern antibiotics are modifications of penicillin. We might never have developed those other antibiotics had penicillin not been found.
But on the other hand before a drug is tested on anyone with cancer it would be tested on healthy people(normally). If members of that test group drop dead minutes after being given the treatment then it becomes very very very hard to get the drug through to the point that you can proove that it's any use at all for treating the disease.It's possible. it's just not likely.
Ya but the "grain fed" cattle is an american things. It's not so much for practical reasons as because there are subsidies for growing grain. Simply cut plain old grass from the fields and feed them that and the equation looks much much better.
The more usual example given is penicillin. Penicillin which has saved a million times more lives than even the most hyperactive cartoon hero. Penicillin which has made so many nightmare deadly diseases into matters of a week feeling a bit off.
That same penicillin wouldn't have a chance of getting through drug trials.Penicillin allergy is one of the most common drug allergies and the way drug trials are run the moment the first test subjects went into anaphylactic shock the trials would stop and the drug would be thrown in the bin. Never mind it's potential. Never mind the value we now know it has, it would have gone in the bin if it had had to pass modern drug trials and countless lives would have been lost.
Funny side note. If you thought peanuts might cure cancer and you put them through trials as a drug they wouldn't even get to the stage of being given to actual cancer patients since someone would almost certainly have a severe reaction before that point.
So what's to stop them from tagging every "coin"? As for the mail analogy doesn't this run into the problem with having no central authority for email?
So how do you set up a system where people can still be anon(even if the government issues some warrents) but held accountable for spam?Got any protocols which allow that?
Slashdot Mirror
Cause once you're certain you can go back to normal knowing who is being nice because of the tits and who is being friendly based on the rest of you.
Or you could go with simpler still- fake leprosy :D
But as to be second point earlier, girls can be like that too. I've had some very predatory female co-workers in a part time job with a high female to male ratio. Course I was young and single so I had no problem with the situation.
What I mean is- it's not unique to mostly male workplaces.
And trying to force it is only going to hurt people.
It's getting to the point that if girls are particularly capable of doing math/science they get pushed to even if they don't want to in the name of equality.
For gods sake let people choose for themselves even if they don't make the choices you think they should!
I'm fairly sure there was a dilbert comic on that a while back which I can't find...
As for your point: would that also be a reason why there are so few males going into nursing? Being uncertain whether someone wants to talk to you because they want to be friendly just because or whether it's partly because of your gender must be terrible.
Try picking subjects which your male work colleges have no interest in and talk about them constantly to see how many get bored and stop trying to talk to you, anyone left either has very dull hobbies or is just interested in your tits.
I have no problem with the subtle little brain washing things like product placement done well.
As long as it blends in I'd be perfectly happy with billboards in GTA advertising real products.
Seeing junked coke machines in a post apocalyptic setting would be only fitting.
But advertisers don't like subtle. That billboard can't be a washed out piece of the background, no it would have to be primary colours jumping out of the screen at me.
They could put ads on the loading screen but then the pressure is on the devs to prolong the loading screens rather than shorten them.
And because of that I will not accept adverising in pay games.
On the other hand if I get a game for free I'm not going to complain about the developer putting in ads.
I am not going to go into every little thing you write and refute them;
You should try it.
I find it to be a good way of judging an argument, if I can take every single point from a post and refute it easily then that whole person's argument is a piece of crap.
If on the other hand I can't refute them and can only pick 2 or 3 minor side points then it forces me to really look at their points and consider them.
give it a shot! it's fun!
you don't seem to be the kind of person that would try to consider things calmly and rationally.
wow, I can see you know everything about me already, I'm quite capable of being calm and rational it just saves time to point and shout "bullshit" when people are talking bullshit. If I talk too slowly and too calmly people get bored listening.
I don't know - can you code?
Certainly. And that puts me in a tiny percentage of the population who not only has the capacity to but has also spent the time and effort so there's going to be more of the "quite nerdy" guys rather than the jocks in that group.
Seriously, though, bullying isn't just reserved for those who are weak of mind;
certainly but it is more common. people strong of mind normally find other hobbies or get elected where they can bully entire countries.
and anyway, writing a few lines in a scripting language isn't exactly rocket science.
it's not but there's an old story.
A man calls an maintenance man because his dryer is broken. So he arrives, takes one look at it, pulls out a hammer and gives it an almighty whack. The dryer starts working perfectly.
The maintenance man hands over a bill for 100 dollars for "repairs".
The customer objects since "all you did was hit it with a hammer"
The maintenance man nods, takes back the bill, writes for a second and hands it back reading
"hitting it with a hammer- $10"
"knowing where to hit it- $90"
it's perfectly true to say that writing an annoying script is easy but you have to know a lot more before you know what to do to do it easily.
All it takes to be a bully is that you derive satisfaction from doing it; it could be as simple as having found out that being rude and making sure to hurt other people makes you feel "assertive". It is probably only a small minority that are psychopaths, to whom it is "fun" to cause pain.
So trolls are bullies now?
Or people who don't roll over and agree with you right away?
or people who don't pretend you're right to make you feel better?
So sympathetic.
I've worked on my apathy for years. It's the only defence when people start pouring out the "won't someone please think of the children" crap and the little sob stories to push whatever crazy argument they have on the basis that they're used to people they're talking to face to face getting embarrassed talking to them at that point.
The attitude that you put on display is a very big part of why this is a problem at all;
subtle how you imply I cause kids to kill themselves.
you don't care, presumably because you think that you don't need the support of people around you. That's where you are wrong, however; you just haven't realized.
nah, I have plenty of support and it's been much use. I just know that no problems in my life like that have ever been fixed by the touchy feely be-nice-to-everyone crowd which you sound like. Standing up for myself rather than relying on various authority figures always turned out to be the much much better choice.
All in all, you seem extremely defensive, it's almost as if you are afraid I might be right.
Haven't hit a point of yours which has been hard to refute yet so I'm not too worried. Or is this the game where if I say "nah, you're talking crap
*" of how people relied on various communities " not "of how people various communities "
Bullying is bullying, whether it happens by means of computers or not, and it is never a pretty sight. The thing about computers and the internet is that they enable people to have a far longer reach and a greater impact;
Greater impact?
Your ability to ignore jackasses is much greater on the internet.
On chat? put em on your ignore list.
Emailing you? block list.
Saying things about you on a message board? same as if they're saying something about you in the newspaper.
it isn't just some lame excuse for imposing new censorship,
yes it is
there is actually a very real problem. In the days before the internet, bullying in the school at least stopped when you got home;
HAH!
they could call you, they could mail you letters, they could hang around outside your house, they could mess with you in any number of ways.
but now it is on your telephone and on the internet, and with the use of simple scripts you can make it go on non-stop without any effort at all.
When was the last time you came across a bully who could code and used it to bully people?
Be realistic.
standard harassment laws apply.
And the other thing about doing things on the internet is that it is more anonymous - it is so much easier to be cruel to a person you don't have to watch,unless, of course, you get a kick out of seeing others in pain, and it is a lot easier to avoid getting caught.
Thing is the kick is in seeing them in pain. It's only easier to avoid getting caught if you actually try to be anon which most bullies don't do.
I could mail you death threats every morning and be very hard to trace. Existing laws already cover this.
At least right up to the point where some kid chooses to end their life, which is a problem on the increase.
Boo fucking hoo.
Kids kill themselves already when they get treated like crap in real life. this is no different and harrasment laws already apply.
I don't think the schools or service providers can do anything about the problem on their own. It is something that requires the whole of the community to work together against it; and that is yet another thing the internet has has an influence on: there isn't a lot of community feeling left.
Hah!
Read back some of the slashdot comments from after columbine when the weirdos around the world got treated even worse than before, I saw more talk of how people various communities online became the only thing they had. The internet is all about communities of various types. It was built by the weirdos and nerds as the sort of place to suit them.
On the up-side, however, the internet could potentially be used to mobilize the community against this kind of thing.
true
People keep droning on about the nanny state and how everything would be better if the government just stayed out of everything; but how would that be better, when nobody in the community are willing to get off their soft arses and solve the problems? We get a nanny state because we, with our inaction and unwillingness to take part in a community, ask for it. I think it is verging on the contemptible to whine and complain about state interference when people don't even try to do it better themselves.
then go down to your local school and patrol around stopping the smaller kids being beaten up! it can start with you!
read the comment below yours.
You assume you have to win. If you break a bullies nose every single time he gives you shit then how long is it going to keep up even if you get hurt worse?
The fucking "curl up into a ball" shit only makes things worse.
Worst of all is school policies where you aren't allowed hit back even when attacked. all you may do if you want to avoid suspension is wrap your arms around your head and hope the kicking stops soon.
And this will make a difference how? last time I checked assholes tend not to listen.
Hah!
Like they feel sorry in person.
total bullshit.
Disproportionate retaliation works great.
I remember a few grades below me there was one of those overgrown douche-wads who tended to push round the others because he could. Well one day he went after a weedy little guy who happened to have balls like church bells.
The ambulance took the dickhead away with a 5 inch strip of skin missing from the side of his face and since the teachers heard the full story all the little guy got was a few detentions.
Big guy stopped hassling others and nobody ever fucked with the little guy every again.
We also had a case where a gang of 8 guys attacked some of my friends, I'll give the full story if anyone wants but it ended with a mob or 70 chasing them across the quad. We had plenty of fights at our school but gangs of tough guys attacking individuals simply wasn't tolerated by the students themselves.
School is basically like prison with less rape and more monotonous labour.
If someone start senting your child death threats written on postcards there's already a system. Email and texts are no different.New tech doesn't always need new rules.
So few people seem to be able to grasp the concept that you can generate wealth.
You buy a broken down old wreck and spend your time rebuilding it. When you're done you sell it.
The world is now richer by one car.
If you scam people you don't generate any wealth.
with smtp it's fairly trivial to forge a message so it appears to come from someone else and if you include some way I can send an email in an untraceable manner then what's stopping me from sending spam.
As for why you might want to send a message to people without being traced?
"Everyone!
i've uncovered proof that the government is killing political dissidents and I have proof! *insert proof like a confidential message signed with the presidents private key*
They'll probably kill me if they trace this!
From
A dissident"
penicillin is still often given to people although it is no longer as effective as before.
Many modern antibiotics are modifications of penicillin. We might never have developed those other antibiotics had penicillin not been found.
???
either you can authenticate the sender and they're not anonymouse or you can't authenticate the sender and they can send spam.
But on the other hand before a drug is tested on anyone with cancer it would be tested on healthy people(normally). If members of that test group drop dead minutes after being given the treatment then it becomes very very very hard to get the drug through to the point that you can proove that it's any use at all for treating the disease.It's possible. it's just not likely.
There's still "convert to my religion" spam and "I liked having nice things back when we were in the capitalist box, viv la revolution!" spam
Ya but the "grain fed" cattle is an american things. It's not so much for practical reasons as because there are subsidies for growing grain.
Simply cut plain old grass from the fields and feed them that and the equation looks much much better.
even then the blood thinning aspect can cause problems.
The more usual example given is penicillin.
Penicillin which has saved a million times more lives than even the most hyperactive cartoon hero.
Penicillin which has made so many nightmare deadly diseases into matters of a week feeling a bit off.
That same penicillin wouldn't have a chance of getting through drug trials.Penicillin allergy is one of the most common drug allergies and the way drug trials are run the moment the first test subjects went into anaphylactic shock the trials would stop and the drug would be thrown in the bin. Never mind it's potential. Never mind the value we now know it has, it would have gone in the bin if it had had to pass modern drug trials and countless lives would have been lost.
Funny side note. If you thought peanuts might cure cancer and you put them through trials as a drug they wouldn't even get to the stage of being given to actual cancer patients since someone would almost certainly have a severe reaction before that point.
And proxy anonymity stops me from sending spam how?
So what's to stop them from tagging every "coin"?
As for the mail analogy doesn't this run into the problem with having no central authority for email?
So how do you set up a system where people can still be anon(even if the government issues some warrents) but held accountable for spam?Got any protocols which allow that?