Do I not know about the policy in the first place? Passengers know that items are not to be taken on the plan. They make it widely open for people to read and check. If the policy says your going to kick me in the nuts I am not going to give you the chance. Instead I will fight the policy.
"You give them flack over what they do in order to keep people safe... "
Perhaps as a doctor I should remove all your autonomy, force you to comply to my directives and ensure that you live your entire life out according to my standards, because after all my goal is to "keep you safe" and free from disease.
Good point. However, nothing is forcing me to use your clinic. If I choose your clinic then I know what will happen. Thus I make a decision to place my life in your hands.
It's not about the actual individuals working for the TSA. It's the whole damned paternalistic concept. Please. If my goal is to kill someone on an aircraft I can do it with a plastic fork. Or I could train weights and practice martial arts and do it with my bare hands. Mothers arrested for bringing bottles of milk, people forced to remove their shoes, people with certain books and t-shirts being refused to fly. You sir are the only one who fails to realize how INSANE the whole "security" thing has become. Screen for guns and obvious explosives, LOCK the damned cockpit door and give the pilots a sidearm with "safe" bullets, and train them on how to use it. The pilot will look after his crew and passengers, believe me. And since 9-11, most of the passengers will be rather pro- active too. The guy with the shoe-bomb was stopped not by the "TSA" but by his fellow passengers.
You mention very good points (again). I will agree that the TSA sometimes takes things way out of context (shirts, baby milk, and a few other items). These items that the TSA blocks needs to be revamped and changed. I will agree with you 100%. However, the point to my post is that the guy at checkpoint has no authority to ignore a policy made by his employer. I will agree that some items are a pain in the butt and stupidly done in the name of security. You even name the shoe bomb was stopped not by the TSA but by passengers. This is true and now why we take our shoes off and are checked. If you expose a weak point in the TSA they are going to attempt to block that point. We do the same thing in computers by issuing patches.
What I believe you (and some others) fail to realize is that this is no different then security measures on our computers. We put up firewalls, we place intrusion detection systems in place, we have password lock out policies, we use complex passwords and so forth. We ALL know the old saying that if someone wants in they will get in. Just because it can be done does not mean we should just give up and throw out attempts to protect our computers/networks.
Any security system can be beaten. The threat will always be there. However, we take the easy things out of play and make it harder for them to get into the position they were on pre 9-11 then it requires more complex plans which the more complex the more chance for failure. No more just walk in and stroll on down the hallway and boom take over.
I hope you have a nice flight and enjoy being treated like a criminal. Personally, I avoid going to the US as much as I can.
I don't like being treated like a criminal either. I don't like the thought that by going to the airport for a flight should cost me my life either. I want my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness protected. While I may be inconvenienced at least I can have some sense of security.
Wait a second... You are getting upset at the TSA doing their job?
The TSA has policies just like every other company out there. The front line people have no decision making power aside from the ability to apply those policies.
How many policies has your company used that you thought were stupid? I am sure a lot.
The TSA people are tested each and every day. You give them flack over what they do in order to keep people safe... But if something were to happen again who would be the first people you would blame for NOT being proactive to remove the ability for that event to have happened? Just because they were pre-briefed doesn't mean that someone could have said "this is what we are going to do." and then change it to an actual event.
I agree the TSA does have some bad people. So do police departments and so does any other group that has an employment the size of the TSA. You can say that they should find a different job but the reality is that it is easier said then done.
I have only had one problem with the TSA and that we when I went to go pickup my grandmother at the gate. I had a security pass to go back to the gate but the clerk accidentally mis-typed my last name (i instead of o) and I was required to get a new security pass. It was not a big deal and while inconvenient I still had to follow their policies. It is a price for security. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Opps! That darn parachute just didn't open right. Caused that billion dollar aircraft to fall to the ground making a rather large whole.
No crap man seriously.
Really? So if you built a commercial network, you would want the FCC to dictate how you police your traffic and what QoS measures you implement? Sorry, but the less the goverment tells me how to run my business/network/enterprise, the better. If customers don't like it, they need to make it known via their wallets.
Sure... But most customers can't move for whatever reason they would like. I don't like comcast anymore then most. But I can't just go out and change to another cable provider because I have that option. If I could then I would agree I will let my wallet do the talking.
Let us try and remember that Comcast has more then just a private network. They have local markets where they are the only cable provider and also they have to put those fancy lines on the poles...
This is exactly the chicken and egg argument. You say you want to take first bite because your parent immigrated here before the current lot of H1s. But at the same time you dont want any one else to immigrate here since it would hurt your chances of getting a decent paying job. Doesn't this strike selfish to you.
Isn't there a chance that 20 years from now, these H1s who become permanent residents contribute to the economy of this country? Aren't they paying taxes now. Shouldn't their children enjoy the same rights you claim here?
To be honest (which I prefer to be) yes it is selfish.
If the person becomes a citizen of the US then yes they will contribute to the economy. Yes, their children (and many generations after) should have the same rights(I would hope better).
The point I am trying to make is our companies need to take care of our own people first before we try helping other countries people. If the market determines that the cost of an IT job is $15,000/yr here then we will have people adjusting to those wages. But if the job market's accepted salary or wages for a job is $40,000/yr then companies need to pay that to people from the US instead first. Stop sending the jobs overseas where you don't have to pay jack to hire a team of people. If you can't afford the people here that are going to buy your product then maybe you need to re-evaluate the cost of the product or development of that product.
I do not believe it is my responsibility or this country's responsibility to give another country's citizens a job. While that maybe rude to those that come over on an H1-B visa and are trying to become permanent residents I am sorry. We have enough problems here that we need to take care of first and we need to stop trying to help everyone.
As at IT professional, I hate the H1-B Visa program and want to see it eliminated. This judge is a complete idiot. Just because a person is from India or Bangladesh does NOT make that person a better IT worker.
Do you hate me too, or only people from India and Bangladesh?
(I'm in the process of getting an H1-B visa, but I'm white and British - so does that make it okay? Or are you opposed to all foreigners? I thought the USA was founded on immigration, you know...)
What really upsets me is not the fact that the H1-B people are here. But the comments from some people that use the fact that our country was based on immigration...
To say that the US was based on immigration and thus you should be loved by everyone is stupid. Yes, most of the now citizens of the US had family roots (from 1st generation to several generations ago) that immigrated over here. This however does not mean that we still feel that everyone and their family dog should be in the US. So do everyone and favor and stop bringing up that point.
If you bring your H1-B visa self over here and you allow a company to pay you $15,000/yr when any normal sane person here would make that company pay at least $40,000/yr then yes I would agree you need to go back home. Companies (as far as IT goes) need to pay their people a fair market price based on the work of the job. Should a company pay me $50,000/yr to just sit down and answer phones for changing people's password? No. Should a company pay me that for handling and maintaining mission critical servers and ensuring that they running and if they go down I respond rapidly to take care of the problem? Yes.
The difference in the two jobs is that it does not take a skilled person (in most password reset systems) to do a password reset. But for the person who does work on servers they have to know a lot more information.
My thought is this if an H1-B visa person and someone who is here not on a visa has the similar training and background then I would say that the person here in the US should get the job over anyone on a visa. My family paid the taxes to keep this place around. I should be allowed to first get the benefits of my country before someone who is not from here.
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Do I not know about the policy in the first place? Passengers know that items are not to be taken on the plan. They make it widely open for people to read and check. If the policy says your going to kick me in the nuts I am not going to give you the chance. Instead I will fight the policy.
"You give them flack over what they do in order to keep people safe... "
Perhaps as a doctor I should remove all your autonomy, force you to comply to my directives and ensure that you live your entire life out according to my standards, because after all my goal is to "keep you safe" and free from disease.
Good point. However, nothing is forcing me to use your clinic. If I choose your clinic then I know what will happen. Thus I make a decision to place my life in your hands.
It's not about the actual individuals working for the TSA. It's the whole damned paternalistic concept. Please. If my goal is to kill someone on an aircraft I can do it with a plastic fork. Or I could train weights and practice martial arts and do it with my bare hands. Mothers arrested for bringing bottles of milk, people forced to remove their shoes, people with certain books and t-shirts being refused to fly. You sir are the only one who fails to realize how INSANE the whole "security" thing has become. Screen for guns and obvious explosives, LOCK the damned cockpit door and give the pilots a sidearm with "safe" bullets, and train them on how to use it. The pilot will look after his crew and passengers, believe me. And since 9-11, most of the passengers will be rather pro- active too. The guy with the shoe-bomb was stopped not by the "TSA" but by his fellow passengers.
You mention very good points (again). I will agree that the TSA sometimes takes things way out of context (shirts, baby milk, and a few other items). These items that the TSA blocks needs to be revamped and changed. I will agree with you 100%. However, the point to my post is that the guy at checkpoint has no authority to ignore a policy made by his employer. I will agree that some items are a pain in the butt and stupidly done in the name of security. You even name the shoe bomb was stopped not by the TSA but by passengers. This is true and now why we take our shoes off and are checked. If you expose a weak point in the TSA they are going to attempt to block that point. We do the same thing in computers by issuing patches.
What I believe you (and some others) fail to realize is that this is no different then security measures on our computers. We put up firewalls, we place intrusion detection systems in place, we have password lock out policies, we use complex passwords and so forth. We ALL know the old saying that if someone wants in they will get in. Just because it can be done does not mean we should just give up and throw out attempts to protect our computers/networks.
Any security system can be beaten. The threat will always be there. However, we take the easy things out of play and make it harder for them to get into the position they were on pre 9-11 then it requires more complex plans which the more complex the more chance for failure. No more just walk in and stroll on down the hallway and boom take over.
I hope you have a nice flight and enjoy being treated like a criminal. Personally, I avoid going to the US as much as I can.
I don't like being treated like a criminal either. I don't like the thought that by going to the airport for a flight should cost me my life either. I want my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness protected. While I may be inconvenienced at least I can have some sense of security.
You don't see the return in this because maybe they are doing their job to cut down on the impact of threats. By making the airport more secure.
Attack the policy not the guy trying enforce it.
I agree they should improve. The parent makes it seem more of an attack for them doing their job.
Wait a second... You are getting upset at the TSA doing their job?
The TSA has policies just like every other company out there. The front line people have no decision making power aside from the ability to apply those policies.
How many policies has your company used that you thought were stupid? I am sure a lot.
The TSA people are tested each and every day. You give them flack over what they do in order to keep people safe... But if something were to happen again who would be the first people you would blame for NOT being proactive to remove the ability for that event to have happened? Just because they were pre-briefed doesn't mean that someone could have said "this is what we are going to do." and then change it to an actual event.
I agree the TSA does have some bad people. So do police departments and so does any other group that has an employment the size of the TSA. You can say that they should find a different job but the reality is that it is easier said then done.
I have only had one problem with the TSA and that we when I went to go pickup my grandmother at the gate. I had a security pass to go back to the gate but the clerk accidentally mis-typed my last name (i instead of o) and I was required to get a new security pass. It was not a big deal and while inconvenient I still had to follow their policies. It is a price for security. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Opps! That darn parachute just didn't open right. Caused that billion dollar aircraft to fall to the ground making a rather large whole. No crap man seriously.
Really? So if you built a commercial network, you would want the FCC to dictate how you police your traffic and what QoS measures you implement? Sorry, but the less the goverment tells me how to run my business/network/enterprise, the better. If customers don't like it, they need to make it known via their wallets.
Sure... But most customers can't move for whatever reason they would like. I don't like comcast anymore then most. But I can't just go out and change to another cable provider because I have that option. If I could then I would agree I will let my wallet do the talking.
Let us try and remember that Comcast has more then just a private network. They have local markets where they are the only cable provider and also they have to put those fancy lines on the poles...
This is exactly the chicken and egg argument. You say you want to take first bite because your parent immigrated here before the current lot of H1s. But at the same time you dont want any one else to immigrate here since it would hurt your chances of getting a decent paying job. Doesn't this strike selfish to you.
Isn't there a chance that 20 years from now, these H1s who become permanent residents contribute to the economy of this country? Aren't they paying taxes now. Shouldn't their children enjoy the same rights you claim here?
To be honest (which I prefer to be) yes it is selfish. If the person becomes a citizen of the US then yes they will contribute to the economy. Yes, their children (and many generations after) should have the same rights(I would hope better).
The point I am trying to make is our companies need to take care of our own people first before we try helping other countries people. If the market determines that the cost of an IT job is $15,000/yr here then we will have people adjusting to those wages. But if the job market's accepted salary or wages for a job is $40,000/yr then companies need to pay that to people from the US instead first. Stop sending the jobs overseas where you don't have to pay jack to hire a team of people. If you can't afford the people here that are going to buy your product then maybe you need to re-evaluate the cost of the product or development of that product.
I do not believe it is my responsibility or this country's responsibility to give another country's citizens a job. While that maybe rude to those that come over on an H1-B visa and are trying to become permanent residents I am sorry. We have enough problems here that we need to take care of first and we need to stop trying to help everyone.
Do you hate me too, or only people from India and Bangladesh?
(I'm in the process of getting an H1-B visa, but I'm white and British - so does that make it okay? Or are you opposed to all foreigners? I thought the USA was founded on immigration, you know...)
What really upsets me is not the fact that the H1-B people are here. But the comments from some people that use the fact that our country was based on immigration... To say that the US was based on immigration and thus you should be loved by everyone is stupid. Yes, most of the now citizens of the US had family roots (from 1st generation to several generations ago) that immigrated over here. This however does not mean that we still feel that everyone and their family dog should be in the US. So do everyone and favor and stop bringing up that point.
If you bring your H1-B visa self over here and you allow a company to pay you $15,000/yr when any normal sane person here would make that company pay at least $40,000/yr then yes I would agree you need to go back home. Companies (as far as IT goes) need to pay their people a fair market price based on the work of the job. Should a company pay me $50,000/yr to just sit down and answer phones for changing people's password? No. Should a company pay me that for handling and maintaining mission critical servers and ensuring that they running and if they go down I respond rapidly to take care of the problem? Yes.
The difference in the two jobs is that it does not take a skilled person (in most password reset systems) to do a password reset. But for the person who does work on servers they have to know a lot more information.
My thought is this if an H1-B visa person and someone who is here not on a visa has the similar training and background then I would say that the person here in the US should get the job over anyone on a visa. My family paid the taxes to keep this place around. I should be allowed to first get the benefits of my country before someone who is not from here.
Checking name of store for translation online: Free Having a big sign created with what you believe the translation to be: 200 yen Having all the english speakers laugh at you because of the translation mess up: Priceless! For everything else there a 404 error!