If thats Java - then okey-dokey. If its C#, then groovy, if its C++ then thats ok to.
This doesn't make sense. If Java is the right tool, then I should use "okey-dokey", if C# is the right tool, I should use Groovy, and if C++ is the right tool (is it ever, though?) then it would be ok to use Thats?
You miss the bigger picture because you are focusing on details.
Google is a real mega corp almost the size of Microsoft and Oracle. Google is built on free software and mathematics. And Google would not be possible if free software did not exist.
The embryo to the Internet was created before you could actually copyright software. It was created in open collaboration, funded by the US government.
The Internet as we know it today would not exist if there was no GCC, BIND, BSD, Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl, Python.
The Internet and free software are two world-changing concepts that are evolving in a symbiotic manner; one is not possible without the other.
Sometimes I find [RMS and the FSF] as annoying as the beggars that shake the cup of coins under your nose to make you give them something. No fucking way.
Really? Stallman asked you for money? Funny, because I never heard about him asking for anything in return for GCC and GDB. Intel, on the other hand...
Intel® Compiler Suite Professional Edition for Linux: $1,349
Please study your history and particularly the state of computing in the early eighties, when Stallman founded the FSF. He looked at the future of computing and he saw a bunch of big companies with a proprietary Unix version each, and new players like Apple and Microsoft. Had the Internet been built on that foundation, not to mention robotics, AI and rapid prototyping, today would be a very different world.
It's easy for you to point your finger and talk about "the real world", now that GCC, Linux and the free BSDs exist. Now imagine a company like Google, except they have to pay licenses for the OS, compilers and interpreters, databases, video and audio conversion. Imagine yourself using computers and not having any control of what goes on, with corporations controlling everything from the BIOS up.
Richard Stallman changed the world. "Reactionary", indeed. Do tell, dear Viol8, what you ever accomplished out there in the "real world"?
I think it's pretty obvious that western democracies are less free and open than they were around the turn of the millennium.
If we are supposed to set some kind of example for the world, we're doing a lousy job.
The prime example perhaps being USA:s increased and very public spreading of torture.
I'm not sure about the GPs analysis that it's all in the name (or spirit) of making more money.
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I have used:
mail Emacs pine mutt Netscape Evolution KMail Thunderbird Squirrelmail IMP Zimbra Mail.app Outlook Outlook Express Exchange's poor excuse for web mail...and probably a few more MUAs to read my e-mail through the ages.
Gmail is the best interface for e-mail, for me, so far. Actually, the only one that comes close is probably mutt with procmail, but it's hard to compare since spam wasn't really a problem back then.
First, the US is not an empire. Empires take from their subject states, the United States gives out money, technology and protection.
There are different kinds of empires. Not all of them do their conquering as blatantly as Genghis Khan or the Spanish conquistas. The British Empire was a trade empire during it's first half, exporting technology, trading and bringing home wealth. Chinese empires have seldom attempted to expand or conquer.
Look at the Roman Empire or British Empire, they levied troops from their subject territories while ripping out the natural resources and taxing trade.
When the US entered Afghanistan, they bought war lords to help them combat the Taliban. The US doesn't tax trade but controls the rules of trade. The US is an empire all right.
Different empires have different missions, but as imperial missions come, the American mission is pretty similar to the British and the Roman: To spread "civilization" in the name of a christian god. Look to the Spanish empire, the Chinese empires, Tsar Russia and the Soviet Union for other missions.
Apparently, our politicians are even more gullible than the yanks, and they bought into the idea that every person would need not one, but _two_, doses of vaccine!
As of December last year, 4 million people in Sweden had taken the vaccine. In the entire EU (with a population of 500 million), 10 million had taken the vaccine.
As you say, the technology doesn't really work well for web browsing as of today, and I think you're correct in that WikiLeaks will implement something like this right now.
I do, however, think that this - or something like this - is the path we will eventually walk down, when the Wiki and the Blog have converged into a WYSIWYG/WYSIWYM capable editing platform for lots of different people and organizations.
I also think that this is where Opera Unite is pointing. DHT, the web and the Internet will be viewed as the same phenomenon 100 years from now, the next step up since the printing press.
The Italian crime syndicate the 'Ndrangheta account for about 3.5% of Italy's GDP.
They control both the production and the distribution of cocaine between South America and Europe (and increasingly via West Africa).
The entire deal is within the organization, as the GP suggests. They already ship cocaine by the container, I think they can afford losing a sub evry now and then if they profit from it in the long term.
I still think it's easier shipping it in containers, though.
It really doesn't matter whether you make your site follow the lowest common denominator or, as you suggest, maintain multiple versions for different browsers. What it comes down to is spending time on creating new features or spending time catering to the bugs of IE6.
Yes, not supporting IE6 may cost you some part of your visitors, but how many visitors are you losing because of lack of development and modern features? That's not as easily measured and obviously depending on the type of site we're discussing, but in many cases I bet it's a lot more than 5-10%.
This is how far I came in my quick rebuttal of your statement, before actually investigating the matter. After spending two hours doing that, I have come to the conclusion that you are absolutely correct, sir! Turns out, there is no formal definition of the MediaWiki syntax - it's just a number of regular expressions, and the implementation is the de facto standard.
That's too bad, but they seem to be doing work to standardize that, and then it's just a matter of time before in-page editing. Of course, full browser support for MathML and SVG would also be great.
No quite. That was a rumor, the truth is that they're only axing the 1210-MK5, their newest, most luxurious and expensive one, which failed to gain a market.
Except, of course, the only information being submitted to DARPA is the location of the ten balloons.
The ones "mapping society" and whatnot are MIT, and all the other teams that participate - teams that are nothing else than loosely connected people trying to accomplish something together.
So, it's a number of groups of loosely connected people mapping their respective interconnections. It's a true threat to society, I tell you!
There are a number of complaints against Monsanto, such as dumping of PCBs, in Wales, encouraging residents in Alabama to use known PCB-contaminated soil as topsoil, creating and marketing toxicins such as PCBs and DDT knowing they were toxic.
Right now, though, the greatest danger with this company is that they are pursuing control of world food. They already control the majority of all soybeans and corn in the US.
I guess that you're American, though, in which case your country benefits economically since the rest of the world has to pay you for IP, similar to the situation with Microsoft, BSA, RIAA, and MPAA, companies and organizations your government will do anything to benefit since your trade depends on IP.
Don't be surprised if people in the rest of the world doesn't buy the propaganda though. And it doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the end product, it's the business methods that I object to.
Personally, I abhor Microsoft for so many justifiable reasons.
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P.S - The biggest problem with this discussion is that to some, to some people, saying anything about Vista means you are anti-MS. Not true. I am just anti-Vista.
I'm not trying to counter your point about Vista and so on, but... Really?
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But when you move to another country to live you should make some attempt to learn to speak the language.
That's all well. But this is, as the GP pointed out, about different subcultures in the same country, using different dialects.
Spot on.
I'm still grateful for Roxton's post though, if only for getting acquainted with the term "mansplain".
If thats Java - then okey-dokey.
If its C#, then groovy, if its C++ then thats ok to.
This doesn't make sense. If Java is the right tool, then I should use "okey-dokey", if C# is the right tool, I should use Groovy, and if C++ is the right tool (is it ever, though?) then it would be ok to use Thats?
You miss the bigger picture because you are focusing on details.
Google is a real mega corp almost the size of Microsoft and Oracle. Google is built on free software and mathematics. And Google would not be possible if free software did not exist.
It is you, Viol8, that is on the wrong train.
The embryo to the Internet was created before you could actually copyright software. It was created in open collaboration, funded by the US government.
The Internet as we know it today would not exist if there was no GCC, BIND, BSD, Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl, Python.
The Internet and free software are two world-changing concepts that are evolving in a symbiotic manner; one is not possible without the other.
Exactly! The principles of free software is transforming the world: Open collaboration. Wikipedia, Creative Commons.
In hindsight, it will likely be hard for people to understand how Stallman could be viewed as such a radical.
And it will be very hard to understand how some people became among the richest in the world by selling software.
AC compared RMS to a beggar, asking for money for himself.
Urging Google to "give away" VP8 is more akin to someone asking for money for somebody else. To amend AC's flawed analogy: a Red Cross collector.
Then again, the FSF never asked for money, but contributing value, so I think it would be wise to end the money analogies altogether.
Sometimes I find [RMS and the FSF] as annoying as the beggars that shake the cup of coins under your nose to make you give them something. No fucking way.
Really? Stallman asked you for money? Funny, because I never heard about him asking for anything in return for GCC and GDB. Intel, on the other hand...
Intel® Compiler Suite Professional Edition for Linux: $1,349
Whoa!
As FlyingBishop said here before me, quid pro quo. A lot of people owe RMS and the FSF a lot.
Please study your history and particularly the state of computing in the early eighties, when Stallman founded the FSF. He looked at the future of computing and he saw a bunch of big companies with a proprietary Unix version each, and new players like Apple and Microsoft. Had the Internet been built on that foundation, not to mention robotics, AI and rapid prototyping, today would be a very different world.
It's easy for you to point your finger and talk about "the real world", now that GCC, Linux and the free BSDs exist. Now imagine a company like Google, except they have to pay licenses for the OS, compilers and interpreters, databases, video and audio conversion. Imagine yourself using computers and not having any control of what goes on, with corporations controlling everything from the BIOS up.
Richard Stallman changed the world. "Reactionary", indeed. Do tell, dear Viol8, what you ever accomplished out there in the "real world"?
I think it's pretty obvious that western democracies are less free and open than they were around the turn of the millennium.
If we are supposed to set some kind of example for the world, we're doing a lousy job.
The prime example perhaps being USA:s increased and very public spreading of torture.
I'm not sure about the GPs analysis that it's all in the name (or spirit) of making more money.
I have used:
mail ...and probably a few more MUAs to read my e-mail through the ages.
Emacs
pine
mutt
Netscape
Evolution
KMail
Thunderbird
Squirrelmail
IMP
Zimbra
Mail.app
Outlook
Outlook Express
Exchange's poor excuse for web mail
Gmail is the best interface for e-mail, for me, so far. Actually, the only one that comes close is probably mutt with procmail, but it's hard to compare since spam wasn't really a problem back then.
First, the US is not an empire. Empires take from their subject states, the United States gives out money, technology and protection.
There are different kinds of empires. Not all of them do their conquering as blatantly as Genghis Khan or the Spanish conquistas. The British Empire was a trade empire during it's first half, exporting technology, trading and bringing home wealth. Chinese empires have seldom attempted to expand or conquer.
Look at the Roman Empire or British Empire, they levied troops from their subject territories while ripping out the natural resources and taxing trade.
When the US entered Afghanistan, they bought war lords to help them combat the Taliban. The US doesn't tax trade but controls the rules of trade.
The US is an empire all right.
Different empires have different missions, but as imperial missions come, the American mission is pretty similar to the British and the Roman: To spread "civilization" in the name of a christian god. Look to the Spanish empire, the Chinese empires, Tsar Russia and the Soviet Union for other missions.
I really recommend reading Empires: The Logic of World Domination from Ancient Rome to the United States by Herfried Münkler, a great book which steers clear of the usual theories of imperialism and tries to go beyond, to explain the dynamics of empires, hegemonies and states.
This! Kudos to Ray Beckerman for your tireless work, and everybody:
Read Courtney Love's article! It's an amazing read!
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)
Well, I guess we are living in a "Least Favored Nation"... (Sweden here!)
Apparently, our politicians are even more gullible than the yanks, and they bought into the idea that every person would need not one, but _two_, doses of vaccine!
As of December last year, 4 million people in Sweden had taken the vaccine. In the entire EU (with a population of 500 million), 10 million had taken the vaccine.
Yay!
As you say, the technology doesn't really work well for web browsing as of today, and I think you're correct in that WikiLeaks will implement something like this right now.
I do, however, think that this - or something like this - is the path we will eventually walk down, when the Wiki and the Blog have converged into a WYSIWYG/WYSIWYM capable editing platform for lots of different people and organizations.
I also think that this is where Opera Unite is pointing. DHT, the web and the Internet will be viewed as the same phenomenon 100 years from now, the next step up since the printing press.
The Italian crime syndicate the 'Ndrangheta account for about 3.5% of Italy's GDP.
They control both the production and the distribution of cocaine between South America and Europe (and increasingly via West Africa).
The entire deal is within the organization, as the GP suggests. They already ship cocaine by the container, I think they can afford losing a sub evry now and then if they profit from it in the long term.
I still think it's easier shipping it in containers, though.
It really doesn't matter whether you make your site follow the lowest common denominator or, as you suggest, maintain multiple versions for different browsers. What it comes down to is spending time on creating new features or spending time catering to the bugs of IE6.
Yes, not supporting IE6 may cost you some part of your visitors, but how many visitors are you losing because of lack of development and modern features? That's not as easily measured and obviously depending on the type of site we're discussing, but in many cases I bet it's a lot more than 5-10%.
Of course you can mix it with...
This is how far I came in my quick rebuttal of your statement, before actually investigating the matter. After spending two hours doing that, I have come to the conclusion that you are absolutely correct, sir! Turns out, there is no formal definition of the MediaWiki syntax - it's just a number of regular expressions, and the implementation is the de facto standard.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor#State_of_WYSIWYG_and_MediaWiki_software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki#Limitations
That's too bad, but they seem to be doing work to standardize that, and then it's just a matter of time before in-page editing. Of course, full browser support for MathML and SVG would also be great.
I'm sure you read the fine article.
The MIT may reserve whichever rights they want, and it still won't be DARPA secretly mapping society.
Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales. http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/
No quite. That was a rumor, the truth is that they're only axing the 1210-MK5, their newest, most luxurious and expensive one, which failed to gain a market.
http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1374
Yeah, spot on.
Except, of course, the only information being submitted to DARPA is the location of the ten balloons.
The ones "mapping society" and whatnot are MIT, and all the other teams that participate - teams that are nothing else than loosely connected people trying to accomplish something together.
So, it's a number of groups of loosely connected people mapping their respective interconnections. It's a true threat to society, I tell you!
There are a number of complaints against Monsanto, such as dumping of PCBs, in Wales, encouraging residents in Alabama to use known PCB-contaminated soil as topsoil, creating and marketing toxicins such as PCBs and DDT knowing they were toxic.
Right now, though, the greatest danger with this company is that they are pursuing control of world food. They already control the majority of all soybeans and corn in the US.
I guess that you're American, though, in which case your country benefits economically since the rest of the world has to pay you for IP, similar to the situation with Microsoft, BSA, RIAA, and MPAA, companies and organizations your government will do anything to benefit since your trade depends on IP.
Don't be surprised if people in the rest of the world doesn't buy the propaganda though. And it doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the end product, it's the business methods that I object to.
Hey when some twits ringtone goes off are you going to find a way to charge for that "performance" too?!
Er... Yes.
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/ascap-wants-be-paid-
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23663
Personally, I abhor Microsoft for so many justifiable reasons.
...
P.S - The biggest problem with this discussion is that to some, to some people, saying anything about Vista means you are anti-MS. Not true. I am just anti-Vista.
I'm not trying to counter your point about Vista and so on, but... Really?