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Google Open Sources Etherpad, Piratepad Launches

Thomas Nybergh writes "The Etherpad code was released by Google under the Apache license a few hours ago. Google's initial plan, after acquiring the service, was to use Etherpad's tech with its new Wave collaboration platform and to shut down the original service entirely. Soon after the Etherpad code was released, the Swedish Pirate Party launched their instance of the service at piratepad.net. An announcement, which also mentions a new Tor node, is published on the party website (Google translation). The original Etherpad service had in a short time become a killer application for collaborative work within at least the Swedish, and according to my personal experience, in the Finnish Pirate Party as well. The Etherpad open source project is available at Google Code."

126 comments

  1. For the unititiated... by julesh · · Score: 5, Informative

    there's a reasonable explanation of what it is on the home page.

    To the submitter, please include a link that explains what you're talking about next time.

    1. Re:For the unititiated... by Alef · · Score: 4, Informative

      Another little detail of information, in case anyone reads the links that are included in the summary:

      I noticed that Google Translate writes the last couple of sentences of the news release as:
      "PiratePad is freely available to all users. The party will save any logs from the service."
      What it actually says in Swedish is:
      "PiratePad is freely available to all users. The party will not save any logs from the service."

    2. Re:For the unititiated... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      If babelfish is anything to go by then you should be lucky it got that close.

    3. Re:For the unititiated... by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      EtherPad: a web-based realtime collaborative document editor.


      There, was it really so hard to post that?

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    4. Re:For the unititiated... by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      well thanks to googles "contribute a better translation" function, it looks like it has been fixed.

      My limited knowledge of Scandinavian languages would not have caught that (though I have no real exposure to written swedish...just a year of norwegian applied against my danish heritage) although it would seem fishy for this particular group to want to log *anything*.

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    5. Re:For the unititiated... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. It would of saved many hot electrons having to visit Jimmie Wales just to find out what it means.
      Lately more and more submissions are accepted/posted without an explanation or description of what it's about like:
      "Xcrypto has been updated to 1.3" is pretty meaningless to anyone who has no idea of what Xcrypto is.
      So go waste your electrons and find out if you dare.

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  2. Pretty awesome by NoTheory · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Happy to see a Google acquisition which has not entirely abandoned their existing userbase, as they are assimilated. The company i work for has picked up using etherpads here and there, and was intending on doing so further, until the acquisition. I guess we'll probably give the code base a run, and try installing an internal copy :) Rock on Etherpad & Google guys.

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    1. Re:Pretty awesome by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was just thinking about how this is Google's answer to "acquire and assimilate" business practices. When Oracle or Microsoft do it it's murder, but when Google do it they Open Source the product then abandon the original.

      Is this better?

    2. Re:Pretty awesome by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Funny

      MS grabs the tech and dumps the company in a shallow grave.
      Google grabs the tech and then markets the company as a tasty snack on the open day bbq.

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    3. Re:Pretty awesome by atheistmonk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes

    4. Re:Pretty awesome by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      Or Sun and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia_Watson">Karelia's Watson

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    5. Re:Pretty awesome by Aldenissin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Could this be good legislation to implement and curb or eliminate the Embrace=>Extend=>Extinguish business practices?

      When you buy out a company that makes software, you must open source the current code. This would make companies more valuable standalone and increase competition, and also allow those that should die off to die off. If another company does wish to invest, competition is still there since the code is now open source.

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    6. Re:Pretty awesome by pipatron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, wait.. So if for example Apple would buy Adobe, they would have to make all their products Open Source? Is that what you're saying?

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    7. Re:Pretty awesome by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      It appears your link was mangled by grues in the slashdot code. So here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia_Watson

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    8. Re:Pretty awesome by mr_da3m0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I this the parent's point was that a company acquiring another would have to either keep developping or support the target company's assets, or Open Source them instead of burying them in a shallow grave, never to be heard of again. Which would be a Good Thing (tm).

    9. Re:Pretty awesome by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 1

      Something similar that I would support, would be making it a condition a copyright's remaining valid that the product still be available for sale. If we did this then it would be a non-issue. The creator would have the source, so if the acquiring company permanently pulled the product, the copyright would lose force, and the creator could legally opensource the original code.
      This is the obvious solution to the problem of out of print books that you still can't legally copy, even though you can't buy them, and it seems that it could solve the problem you mention just as well.

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    10. Re:Pretty awesome by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It doesn't have to mean "lose all the software to the public".

      More like "create a public open branch of whatever was created to this day".
      Also, "open source" doesn't have to mean "free as a beer". You can grab the code, tamper with it, compile it, but to use it for anything meaningful you have to purchase a license, and to redistribute your modified code you must purchase a redistribution license, sending a part of your profit upstream.

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    11. Re:Pretty awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes.

    12. Re:Pretty awesome by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      Whoops. Thanks bertoelcon. And that happened even after I chose to preview. :)

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    13. Re:Pretty awesome by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the part where they said that etherpad.com would be shut down in March, with public pads likely being shut down even earlier?

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    14. Re:Pretty awesome by DeadBeef · · Score: 1

      Agreed that the general idea would be a good thing.

      However, how do you come up with a workable definition of "keep developing"? Would employing a drunk homeless guy to translate the comments in the source code from English to ancient hebrew making releases 6 monthly count?

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    15. Re:Pretty awesome by Aldenissin · · Score: 1

      I like it, but I was looking for something that would kill 2 birds with one stone and curb bigger companies from just gobbling up smaller ones. This often does not make things better and I believe this idea would possibly help separate the wheat from the chaff more naturally.

        Also, the original creator could be "paid" to lose the source. (Think big corps. wouldn't try it?) It would cost money to keep the source in escrow.

        There are many legit reasons why something would no longer be available for sale, but still legitimately need to be copyrighted. I would agree (yes it hurts) that if XP was sold to another company and then they decided they wanted to move on to something better (XP2?) and no longer make XP for sale that it should not hurt Microsoft's Windows 7/8's sales because XP is now open source and therefore free.

        Lastly, books are not the same as software, although similar. This may just work there, if E-Books count as for sale.

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    16. Re:Pretty awesome by Aldenissin · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is what I was saying. They would get the employees, buildings and other assets. Remember this was a question, not an "opinion" so please don't attack me directly for trying to think outside of the box.

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    17. Re:Pretty awesome by Aldenissin · · Score: 1

      That is an even better clarification, and I like it.

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    18. Re:Pretty awesome by Aldenissin · · Score: 1

      Actually he was sorta right, but I am glad the "thought experiment" for discussion going.

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    19. Re:Pretty awesome by Aldenissin · · Score: 1

      Sorry, see SharpFang's quote for better clarification, I forgot exactly what I meant since it had been a few days:

      It doesn't have to mean "lose all the software to the public".

      More like "create a public open branch of whatever was created to this day".
      Also, "open source" doesn't have to mean "free as a beer". You can grab the code, tamper with it, compile it, but to use it for anything meaningful you have to purchase a license, and to redistribute your modified code you must purchase a redistribution license, sending a part of your profit upstream.

      Though, I might would rather no redistribution license fees. But that is an interesting option. Perhaps if you use any open source software the fees would go to the original authors? (or a trust if author unavailable, for programming education or something)

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    20. Re:Pretty awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > but to use it for anything meaningful you have to purchase a license

      What you describe is NOT Open Source in any sense and would be useless to the community.

    21. Re:Pretty awesome by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing Open Source with Free Software.
      Also, while not necessarily benefiting the community, it benefits the customers.

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  3. EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Small wonder they wanted to acquire AppJet to send its programmers to the Google Wave slave mines to make Wave work more like EtherPad. I'm tickled pink they went through with their pledge to open-source it, and did it so quickly.

    Isn't it amazing? This is the code that was AppJet's entire revenue stream...and after Google bought them for ten million dollars, they're giving all that work away to the community, free.

    You can argue all you want about whether Google is really evil or not, but either way it certainly has its non-evil moments.

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    1. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I honestly fear them more than anyone else at this point. That they can comfortably do things like this only shows how big they're getting!

    2. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by WGFCrafty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you fear accepting gifts from friends due to their extraordinarily elaborate subconscious ploy to undermine and ultimately control you?

      Be afraid.

    3. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by TheCowSaysMooNotBoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, but I do from stores who collect my private data every time I shop there.

    4. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really do think that this was the best thing that could possibly have happened to EtherPad. While it was still closed-source, it was locked up in the hands of one company. There was always the risk it could go away for good. (As very nearly happened right after Google bought them.) It's possible they might even have used the patent they claimed was "pending" to stifle competition if someone created a similar app from scratch.

      But now it belongs to all of us, and anyone with the expertise to set it up can run a pad server for his own writing circle or for the world. People might even hack in new features and share them, like that Wave Federation thing Iba mentioned in the blog post.

      But even if EtherPad's codebase stays the same forever, it's ours now and we can use it however we want.

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    5. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Then it looks like shopping through the mail with a proxy type address and money orders prepaid with cash is for you!

      Google is quickly becoming a large faceless megacorporation with questionable ethics regarding data storage, but at least they do some nice things.

    6. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then it looks like shopping through the mail with a proxy type address and money orders prepaid with cash is for you!

      No, shopping through the mall with cash and without customer card is.

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    7. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Redundant

      With google you are the product.

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    8. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by timepilot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was just thinking that too. They're sort of like the machines in the Matrix. Google lives off of the energy generated by people who live in the Googtrix.

      I don't know whether I should take the red pill or the blue pill. I really don't know which would be better. The this version of the Googtrix doesn't seem so bad to me. I worry about what things will be like when the leadership is turned over to someone more Ballmer-like.

    9. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by emj · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shopping with your neighbors customer cards is even better.

    10. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by icebraining · · Score: 2, Interesting
    11. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but it is java - what a total let-down. I was expecting real, usable code. Not java.

      Hopefully Google's intent is to re-write it all in python, php or c. Then I will be interested.

      I feel like the kid on Christmas who wanted a bike but got a sweater.

    12. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      they have named employees on youtube quite a lot for a "faceless megacorporation", and Sergey Brin isnt exactly a recluse.

      How exactly are you defining faceless?

    13. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But even if EtherPad's codebase stays the same forever, it's ours now and we can use it however we want.

      Even though Google ignored the GPL in favor of an Apache license!? Shock. Horror.

    14. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      But, I have not been UL inspected or listed , FDA tested or approved, nor EPA compliant. How do I know I am safe for public consumption?

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    15. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Abreu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Give me tasty, juicy, delicious steaks and I'll go and plug back in...

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    16. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      No. All it shows is that software is NOT what Google is selling. Software is not Google's product. As such, they are very happy to release it as open source. It puts a good face on Google, makes the development community happy, and gets more developers working on the platform. Remember, Google sells advertisements. That is their product. Their goal is to "organize the world's information." These two things go hand-in-hand, but Google will not be able to do either if they try to maintain total control over everything they acquire. Thus, open sourcing software and giving away products freely that used to generate money for another company is a very viable strategy.

    17. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is there something wrong with the Apache license? I'm really not up on the nuances of open source licensing - but I thought Apache was "good". A lot like the BSD license, right? You're allowed to make money with the software, but you can't lock the software away. This is good, in my book. Money isn't the determining factor in my book (gratis), but the freedom to use the software (libre).

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    18. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      Turn in your business card pup. Google is not and never has been a Marketing Company, Content Producer or anything more then a Service Provider. The service that Google provides is access to our Eyeballs and Minds. We aren't even a product becauuse of that. Just the access to them is all they sell - yet - until they figure out how to provide direct access to our minds, at which point "We Are Borg - Resistance Is Futile - You Will Be Assimilated" becomes reality. Until then everything that Google does has one and only one purpose. To enhance the visiability of what ever is being purshed by those purchasing that access.

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    19. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's ignorant.

    20. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you can't lock the software away."
      You can lock your version of the software away, meaning somebody can Embrace Extend and Extinguish the opensource version (example needed). OTOH businesses are less scared of using Apache because it doesn't force them to release the code (but if you nly use the OSS edition that doesn't help much). SO IMO Licensing it Apache over lgpl/mpl/etc is a bad move, however it's still better than not opensourcing it and if i cared that much i'd write my own version and GPL it.

      ~Your friendly neighborhood bipolar GPL troll

    21. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      You can lock your version of the software away, meaning somebody can Embrace Extend and Extinguish the opensource version (example needed).

      That phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      The very worst a company can do to EtherPad (already a complete, and excellent package) is to not improve it, or not release their improvements. The arguments against the BSD license don't really hold water when the package in question is stable and feature-complete.

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    22. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Money isn't the determining factor in my book (gratis), but the freedom to use the software (libre).

      In the above sentence your uses of gratis and libre are identical.

      A more common meaning of libre wrt to Free software is the freedom to "tinker." If someone gives you software to use any way you want but they don't provide the source your freedom to tinker is severely curtailed.

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    23. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The arguments against the BSD license don't really hold water when the package in question is stable and feature-complete.

      ROTFLMAO!

      Lets assume feature-complete actually happens for more than 0.01% of all software programs.

      If you actually get to that point then, by definition, the arguments against the GPL license don't really hold any water either.

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    24. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by awyeah · · Score: 1

      You're right - it's exactly the same as with TV and Radio. The product is your eyeballs, the service is presenting advertisements to your eyeballs. The only difference is that what you get in return for your eyeballs is lots of actually useful services, not So You Think You Can Dance.

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    25. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by awyeah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes - you and I are the product!

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    26. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      I don't think I understand your logic. Are you arguing that EtherPad is feature-incomplete? What additional features are necessary for it to function adequately for the vast majority of users?

      Any significant expansion of EtherPad would logically lead to something not all that different from Google Wave. (which is already open-source).

      I'm not implying that the "feature-complete" argument applies to terribly many software packages. However, I would argue that it does here.

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    27. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Are you arguing that EtherPad is feature-incomplete? What additional features are necessary for it to function adequately for the vast majority of users?

      Irrelevant. I am pointing out that your claim about BSD licensing under the conditions of being feature complete and stable apply equally to the GPL.

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    28. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Why would facts about EtherPad be irrelevant to a discussion about EtherPad?

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    29. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I need a distributed customer card app.

      I try to avoid them whenever possible (places like CVS will always swipe the store copy of the card if you talk to them right) but sometimes I just apply with bogus info. The only problem with applying with bogus info is that I still let them link all of my purchases together to determine more info about me. Sure, they think I am a 70 year old man with the buying habits of a college student but they still have a full customers worth of info. I want a system that lets me use a new account every time...one day I can use a code provided by a 45 year old mother of 3 and the next day I can use the code that belongs to the 23 year old WoW player who likes the discounts he gets on his hot pockets.

      Of course maybe paying with a credit card defeats all of this...I'm not sure they are allowed to keep my CC data in its entirety for these purposes but I don't see what would stop them from making a hash from my CC number and having a record of all my purchases between card expirations.

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    30. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Why would facts about EtherPad be irrelevant to a discussion about EtherPad?

      Because I responded to a point that YOU made that was irrelevant to etherpad.
      If you did not want to talk about licensing issues you should not have made a comment that applied generically to licensing issues.

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    31. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      It's Scala and Javascript, not Java.

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    32. Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      GPL doesn't stop you making money.

      The usual complaint about BSD-style licenses is that companies can take the hard work of others and profit from that without benefiting the community who provided the source in the first place. They do allow you to lock NEW features away ; they let you add things to the code, and distribute software without offering that new code.

      That's the reason that corporate types like BSD-style licenses ; it lets them use existing code as a springboard to build the next great thing with a reduced risk of others taking that ball and running with it. Of course, it means they can't do the same thing, so it's a double-edged sword.

  4. A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Etherpad is httpRequest javascript in a wysiwig which allowes collaborative editing in real time on a text doc with some rich text. My opinion is its a chat window where you type in the area the chat appears.

    In a screenshot on their page is the example text "...Etherpads patent-pending sychronization algorithm makes sure everyones edits are merged in realtime".

    I would see Gmail's live chat feature being quite close in concept. I wonder if Etherpad extended an open palm and inquired about renumeration.

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    1. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by RedWizzard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would see Gmail's live chat feature being quite close in concept.

      I don't. Being able to go back and edit what someone else has written previously is a fundamentally different concept IMO.

    2. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by koreaman · · Score: 1

      GNU Screen has been around for a while.

    3. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since this is about editing, I think you mean gnuserv.

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    4. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My opinion is its a chat window where you type in the area the chat appears.

      Which is a feature that IM clients such as ICQ had for, let's say, a decade ago.

    5. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by wootest · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, you're right, they're exactly the same thing.

    6. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by Steve+van+der+Burg · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Etherpad extended an open palm and inquired about renumeration.

      You mean like if Etherpad was number 642 before, and now they want to be number 624?

    7. Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. by PineHall · · Score: 1

      I think Google Docs could possibly be improved with Etherpad's code. Etherpad is the collaborative editing word processor so Google Docs would be an obvious choice to improve with Etherpad's code or concepts.

  5. Ubuntu One Killer App by st1rguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Canonical is serious about promoting their cloud platform this should be relatively easy for them to host and roll client access into their next desktop release. They could also host the server component in their repo to make it cake to install on internal servers as well. Wave without the "Google" would be awesome.

    1. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by pydev · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google got the better part of the product--the developers. Without good developers, the code is probably pretty much useless.

    2. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by st1rguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not necessarily true, Etherpad is pretty solid. If they shifted some of the dev talent away from their silly attempt to make a online music store to something genuinely useful like real-time collaboration i can see that working in their benefit, at least to business users.

    3. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Why not implement a Wave server? Wave is also open source and anyone can set up a server

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    4. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      You forget that Canonical has a rather close relationship with Google - notice how they provided developers to help out with the ChromeOS release. It is not much of a stretch to believe that Google might reciprocate in some way by providing resources, code or even finished product to Canonical.

    5. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      All canonical typically do is repackage debian with newer packages... redhat and sun etc do all the heavy lifting with linux.

      While free people to package stuff is useful, I somehow think google would be able to do that themselves if need be.

    6. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Etherpad doesn't have a client, it runs entirely in a browser windows. There is already discussion of getting an instance hosted by Ubuntu, but it will have to be checked out by their security team before it is made official. Also, Debian and Ubuntu are trying to phase out Sun Java in favor of OpenJDK, but OpenJDK wouldn't compile Etherpad when I tried it, I had to use Sun's JDK.

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    7. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      While I agree that Google would be able to repackage stuff if need be, I disagree with your statement that all Canonical does is repackage stuff.

      It might be a large part of what they do, but they write a lot of new code as well.

      Unless that is exactly what you meant when you said "typically"

    8. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      Oh I know they do write new code as well, all I was saying is that compared to red hat and the like, their contribution is just a drop in the bucket. (I'd consider 100X the the number of patches a significant difference)

      So if google wanted to hire coders from another company, canonical would be an almost silly choice.

    9. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by BruceCage · · Score: 1

      Canonical would still need to build a user interface on top of the server component, so while it is a good idea there would still be quite a bit of work for Canonical to do as Google has not and most likely will not open source their own Wave implementation. Then again, let's not forgot that Google Wave in the current state is completely unusable for both communication (chat, discussion etc.) and any form of collaboration (specifically collaboration on documents). EtherPad on the other hand actually nails it regarding document collaboration.

      So integrating EtherPad support into Ubuntu One would be feasible in the short term, at least to allow users to work together on Notes. It would be double as awesome if there was an effort to integrate support for libinfinity (from Gobby) in Tomboy (which already synchronizes with Ubuntu One). Then for collaboration over the web you'd use Ubuntu One's EtherPad functionality and in your desktop you can easily collaborate from within Tomboy.

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    10. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by BruceCage · · Score: 1

      Kroah-Hartman Attacks Canonical, Linux Magazine (September 19th, 2008)

      Zimmerman [Canonical] objected primarily to Kroah-Hartman's definition of "Linux ecosystem," finding it "odd" in that he included GCC, binutils, X.org and Glibc in with the Linux kernel. Also, "He disregards most of the desktop stack (including GNOME and KDE), all desktop and server applications, and most anything else that is recognizable to an end user as 'Linux'." Not least of all, Zimmerman accused Kroah-Hartman of failing to acknowledge his link with Novell, a key Canonical competitor.

      While I don't know how much Canonical employees (or people sponsored by Canonical) contribute to other projects I don't think it's fair to limit the contributions to those before mentioned projects.

      Also from Canonical Contribution Chronicles, Linux Magazine (September 23rd, 2008):

      In Amanda's blog, she asks, "What constitutes a contribution?" She says, "They [Canonical] focus on building a usable, more polished, more designed, better branded and better supported Linux distribution for the consumer market. By any one’s measure they have been successful in that endeavor. By my measure that is a very valuable contribution to the greater Linux movement."

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    11. Re:Ubuntu One Killer App by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu only really has two things going for it that separate it from other distros, marketing and willingness to give proprietary drivers/codecs out of the box

  6. A link to the application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://etherpad.com/ep/pad/newpad

    Click that link to see parts of the app in action

  7. Prasanna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was an early user of EtherPad and loved it! Took it up to host and maintain the site.
    Try it out: http://www.ietherpad.com

    Cheers.

    1. Re:Prasanna by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      Nice to see another open EP server. I'd suggest coming up with your own front page rather than ripping off Etherpad's, though. It could lead to confusion.

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  8. Etherpad Wiki? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about using EtherPad for Wikis? Seems the perfect match: The learning curve is lower than for current Wiki markup (and ease of editing was one point of Wikis, after all), the history function is already included, and since it's now Open Source, the missing functionality (especially Wiki links) could easily be added.

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    1. Re:Etherpad Wiki? by emj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wikimedia is investigating WYSIWYG editting, and I think their conclusion was that "Yeah it works, but you can't mix it with text edits". There is something special about mediawiki text and Latex, which many current contributors like.

    2. Re:Etherpad Wiki? by shaka · · Score: 1

      Of course you can mix it with...

      This is how far I came in my quick rebuttal of your statement, before actually investigating the matter. After spending two hours doing that, I have come to the conclusion that you are absolutely correct, sir! Turns out, there is no formal definition of the MediaWiki syntax - it's just a number of regular expressions, and the implementation is the de facto standard.

      http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor#State_of_WYSIWYG_and_MediaWiki_software
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki#Limitations

      That's too bad, but they seem to be doing work to standardize that, and then it's just a matter of time before in-page editing. Of course, full browser support for MathML and SVG would also be great.

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    3. Re:Etherpad Wiki? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course not every Wiki is MediaWiki, and even if you can't add it to MediaWiki or another existing Wiki, there's no reason why you couldn't create another Wiki based on EtherPad. It won't be used for Wikipedia, of course, but neither is MoinMoinWiki, UseModWiki or any of the other Wikis except MediaWiki.

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    4. Re:Etherpad Wiki? by emj · · Score: 1

      Many people are ok with using code to describe [[hyper links]], so what you want is a conversion between the two. Since there are no good WSIWYG wikis, there are no good dual mode wikis..

  9. Re:Wow! This blows me away. by lattyware · · Score: 4, Informative

    As far as I am aware, the plan is to make Wave an open protocol, where it can be completely isolated from anything Google by running your own stuff.

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  10. faxpad project to replace etherpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the owner of faxpad.com domain i have offered it for use to further the faxpad opensource project to replace etherpad.

    http://www.twitter.com/JasonSnitker

  11. IRC by Frigo · · Score: 1

    yay multiplayer notepad

  12. Meh by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when it can use OneNote documents and you can put more than just text on the pad.

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    1. Re:Meh by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Or it can be the other way around and MS' awful little OneNote can do the work to conform with others.

  13. Excellent Summary by glwtta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just have one tiny question after reading it: What the fuck is Etherpad?

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    1. Re:Excellent Summary by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      It's the place where you put your narcotics. :-)

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    2. Re:Excellent Summary by Fumus · · Score: 1

      RTFFP

      (FP as in First Post)

    3. Re:Excellent Summary by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, the first post is just a classic first post, rightly moderated down to -1. You probably meant RTFSP.

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    4. Re:Excellent Summary by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      The place where all your packets go to crash when they can't route anymore and need some down time.

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    5. Re:Excellent Summary by sowth · · Score: 1

      Good question. I had to click a couple of links to get to the home page:

      EtherPad is the only web-based word processor that allows people to work together in really real-time. When multiple people edit the same document simultaneously, any changes are instantly reflected on everyone's screen. The result is a new and productive way to collaborate on text documents, ..

      To understand how it is really different, you need to read the FAQ:

      For example, with Google Docs it takes about 5 to 15 seconds for a change to make its way from your keyboard to other people's screens. Imagine if whiteboards or telephones had this kind of delay! In contrast, the EtherPad infrastructure is built to carry your every keystroke at the speed of light, limited only by the time it takes electrons to travel over a wire (such as an "ethernet" cable).

    6. Re:Excellent Summary by Fumus · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I meant RTFFPTIMU.

      (That is Modded Up)

    7. Re:Excellent Summary by BruceCage · · Score: 1

      It's a collaborative real-time editor for documents (in the broadest sense of the word).

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  14. Re:Wow! This blows me away. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

    Correct. Even MS, for example, could set up a Hotmail wave service. Wave is simply a protocol. http://www.waveprotocol.org/

  15. Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You realize don't you that Google Wave is both open source AND open protocol?

    It is federated like Jabber, anyone who wants to can download the wave source code and run their own wave server. And because it is federated, your server is not a walled garden - you can still join waves hosted on OTHER servers.

    Seems far superior to this Etherpad in every sense of the word.

    1. Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by D+Ninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seems far superior to this Etherpad in every sense of the word.

      Technically speaking, Wave is superior (I've used both). However, what makes Etherpad so popular is that it is easier to use. As of this time, Wave is still in Alpha mode, and while I get it, many tech friends who have tried to use it really don't understand the applicability of the software. They don't see it as a much better way to collaborate. They still want to stick to traditional e-mail for organization (which I hate, particularly when conversation threading and search is not available in e-mail).

      So, Wave = Technically Stronger; Etherpad = Usability is Stronger. Add the good parts of the two together, and you get a much better project overall.

    2. Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit Wave is java too! I don't think I can take this kind of teasing twice in one day.

      I suppose I'll have to do the re-write(s) myself. Sigh. At least I have the option.

    3. Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by BikeHelmet · · Score: 3, Funny

      (which I hate, particularly when conversation threading and search is not available in e-mail).

      It is in gmail.

      So Google's main competition to Wave is Google (Etherpad) and Google (Gmail) ?

      I love companies that never stop innovating.

    4. Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen on the web wave is open source in the same sense that android is open source. There are a bunch of files on a CVS server, with some build instructions that creates a program that does something, but it isn't something they actually intend anybody to actually use. In the case of android their open source code results in an OS that doesn't have access to the cell network or wifi, and which can't even blink the LED on the front from what I understand. Their build instructions are a real mess too as it requires a ton of manual effort to get the proprietary blobs added to it so that it works. It isn't like you can just put some proprietary bits in a directory, hit make, and end up with an image.

      Plus, their only implementation runs on Java, and I don't really have half a gig of RAM to waste having that in memory all the time. Most servers that don't get much traffic can run in a lot less!

      It isn't a bad concept, but I still don't see it taking off. Maybe if I ran a forum and the open-source version of wave were robust enough I might replace phpbb or whatever with it. However, most open-source forum systems are actually designed to be used by people, and they're not just intended for developers to contribute to one particular implementation of it.

    5. Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They still want to stick to traditional e-mail for organization (which I hate, particularly when conversation threading and search is not available in e-mail).

      Minor rant: Conversation threading has been available in email since it was invented.

      It's called context-quoting, not top-posting, and I can't for the life of me figure out why the fuck most people in business refuse to do it. Every goddamn cubicle drone whose first email client was either Outleak or Blotus Nodes, simply types in a sentence or two, and then quotes the entire email, and the newcomer to the conversation has to read through 5-10 pages of crap (.signatures, v-cards, etc) to extract the 2-3 sentences that are actually the chain of discussion.

      It's both a mystery and an abomination as to why it's taken 30 years for Google Wave to even have a chance at being recognized as a solution to the problem that everyone on USENET figured out 30 years ago, everyone on Slashdot or any web-based forum has done since day one (and we're still doing).

    6. Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Technically Etherpad is Scala and Javascript, I don't think there is much Java to it.

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  16. I'm mostly using it to learn from by MarkWatson · · Score: 1

    After building and running it locally yesterday morning, I started studying the code. I am not to interested in deploying it right now, but I might set it up in the future for use by family, friends, and customers.

    I've had a Wave account for about 6 months (sandbox and beta) and I am more interested in building applications on top of Wave rather than hacking on the EtherPad code base. I am interested in learnng from the codebase however :-)

  17. Twitter message about downtime by livingdeadline · · Score: 1

    Apparently the Pirate Party has to move Piratepad to a new server already...

  18. Not just piratepad.net - I also see uxoo.com ! by goneforaslash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is also uxoo.com. Free software at its best - other websites will certainly follow.

    Hopefully all these competing services will do to good old plain text edition something just as great as youtube did to videos.

    Start the competition!

  19. Re:Wow! This blows me away. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

    Will it actually be reasonably supported in such a configuration? Google doesn't even support an open-source version of android that can actually make phone calls. They have lots of source code, but no releases or anything with QA behind it. Integrating proprietary drivers needed to actually make it work is a fairly manual process, and there are no guides/etc.

    It seems like they're only willing to make it open-source to the extent that it doesn't cost them anything and it doesn't create viable competition.

    From what I've seen Google open source projects don't really operate like normal open source projects. It is a proprietary cathedral model that publishes most of their source code, without much regard to whether the open source product is in itself something anybody would actually want to use. At least with mysql or whatever you can download the source for an actual release, and do a make install and get more-or-less exactly what you'd get if you just used their product.

  20. Re:Wow! This blows me away. by lattyware · · Score: 1

    With android, it's different. That's to do with the companies behind the phones not being willing to share. They clearly intend to make this fully supported.

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  21. anyone want to write shakespere ? by danknight · · Score: 1

    All we need is 1000 slashdotters and etherpad!

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  22. Open protocol my ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a *patented* protocol, without even an RFC. It's about as open as .docx, and it's got the same intent as .docx, too.

    Way to drink the kool-aid, brunes69.

    1. Re:Open protocol my ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license Oh no, the horror. THE HORROR

  23. Web-based Word-Processor for Collaboration by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Just in case you don't want to have to click on a couple of links to get there.

    Once you know what it is, the FAQ makes sense, but like way too many FAQs, it starts out by assuming you already know what the thing is and doesn't explain that.

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