Or maybe the device was designed by (HP, NCD, etc) and they just left it in. Wyse's devices are designed by HP.. really. And they're pretty open about it.
I think linus isn't fond of infecting the Linux tree with a "jump in the fire" attitude.
And ahem.. if he wasn't fond of other platforms.. then why are there axp, arm, sun, and yes.. even ppc ports? Without the compromises, and platform independant code he wrote.. there'd probably never be the quick of migration.
I remember that the 68k port was a fork from linux for a LONG time. PPC will need to cleanly layer into the linux source tree.
Ofcourse, if somebody took YOUR 10,000 lines of code and made a billion dollars from it.. it wouldn't make you mad. No, what would be maddening would be the fact that they changed it.. ever so slightly.. made it faster.. better. Incompatable. And you can't see it, either. It is property of MegaLopoly Capitol Holding, INC CO LTD Limited AG. So go fsck yourself and write a better one. The BSD License depends upon a "gentlemans handshake" agreement that we give, and we take. The GPL is a pissed off farmer with a shotgun. Personally, cheap reproduceable code should be BSD'd. Something like the kernel should be GPL'ed (IMHO).;-) the Pan
Ohh yeah.. I've run a bank of 8 NT machine with only these two things.. NT (No extra drivers.. just vanilla NT + SP3) and SQL Server.
Crash.. crash after crash. Tried many a SQL Server version. (from 6-7 patch by patch). Not that the systems wounldn't stay up for a week or two. But eventually they'd crash.
I'm sorry.. but even the WORSE builds of MySQL has never ever ever panic'ed my kernel.
Heck, I do XFree programming and even though I crash the display adapter registers.. I never ever have locked my machine.
Being a programmer, I work with about 50% non-white programmers(And I live in Dallas?). The only place where I've worked with less than a 25% minority was at a large telecom company.
As far as a internet-culture is concerned.. here in dallas, internet service is cheaper than cable! And you get the computer for free.
Maybe some people are just more interrested in the internet than others in your area.. but I just don't see that.
Besides, being of a hispanic origin.. what about us Latino's!?!? I'd rather not care. The nice thing about the internet is the lack of a class system. (Well, except for developers.. they're pretty classy)
A right to net act is surely in the works. That's okay with me. It may not be needed, but why not make certain? As long as poeple leave their
We can all brag and swish our feathers around, but we 2nd tier platforms have to UNITE.
Hardware Peripheral manufacturers (Certain 3D card makers like 3dfx) refuse to support the alpha. ATI hasn't been that great (Maybe changing soon?). There are just loads of peripherals.
Mr Alpha and Ms PPC had better let everyone know that we need specs. As companies come in and dump their binaries for x86 out there, we have to let them know that that's not good enough. You either support LINUX or don't. I'm not saying that companies have to give out their family jewels, but they should be willing to allow people to use whatever platform they want.
They don't realize that a good programmer can build cross platform code. Bad ones don't. Look at LinuxPPC and AlphaLinux. 99.9% of programs compile out of the rpm. (The only exceptions being ones that are very hardware dependend and include lots of x86 asm "speedup code")
We should have a platform independent stance. As more people and newbies move into Linux, they arn't going to care what platform Linux runs on. This is a good thing.
By keeping Linux Plaform Independant, we arn't tied to the death of Intel by Transmeta.. or Elbrus, or whatever.
I can see it now.. XFree86... now with Perl Drivers!!
That's the big deal anyhow.. I have an Alpha. My biggest deal is not linux at all(stable as hell). My problem is getting drivers (3D hardware acceleration comes to mind.)
I've noticed that alot of the cross-platformism is starting to dwindle a bit. One of the reasons that Linux became so popular was the joy of hackers digging into hardware. (Atleast for me).
Okay, all INTERNATIONAL CALLS must be switched on the ground.. how about that.
Meaning the Telco's couldn't let someone call from USA to England over sat without making a long distance. And the switching capabilities are't very good.
Iridium was a flawed concept anyhow. First, all switching had to be done on the GROUND. Doh! Lots of ground stations.
Secondly, what kind of bandwidth did they offer? Atlease they could have offered the ability to have 128Kb/s. They had the chance. I talked to severel moto guys back when they were testing Iridium over South Africa. They said, Who in the world would want bandwidth??
The only one I have much hope for is Teledesic (Admittidly funded in part by BillG).. They will offer a T1 anywhere.
Yeah, well it sucks to go through the first day of trading and not even KNOW if your in or out. Sorry, but it's BS. Even though it's an unconditional offer I think it sucks that my assets are sitting around waiting for E-Trade to run a fscking query. The market has closed - and I don't know if I got IPO or not!
Sure, it's not against the regulations... it's just Rock-Stupid, annoying, and unprofessional to not SELL the unconditional offers at pricing.
Yesterday their AppLogic server had a bug, but only on one server. It was showing account balances as just "$". No money afterward. After talking the tech through the differences between 6 servers and the architecture of the AppLogic server, he finally agreed and said I was pretty smart. Yep, an object didn't get distributed to the cluster.
Don't I feel good now. E-Trade thinks I'm smart. Somehow I feel stupid. Enjoy the ride..
I just called and confirmed at 10:15 (5 mins ago). I had called them this morning and they said that there was nothing to do. I called a few minutes ago and they said that the thing was closed. I told them I had called earlier, and that some particular person had told me that there was nothing to do. I also told them I hadn't gotten an alert, or an email to reconfirm, as per their e-mail send out this morning, and their alert at 10:09 last night. The screwed up. Well - the guy said that the affinity program had just "reopened" temporarily. SO GO CALL AGAIN. I got in. May the schwartz be with you! Pan
It can be done. Essentially, the wm runs as a thread. IT STILL must go through the DIX layer, thus the wm isn't getting anything more special than it currently is, it just incurcs a much lower context switch being a thread. An added bonus will be that the X server can monitor the WM thread and kill/restart it when and if it fails - automatically.
Been looking at XFree86 4 code.. I want to retool it. I want to say YEAH!! to XFree86 on a good path. BUT...
I've looked at the new driver module API for XFree86, and I am going to retool X into something different. X will still suffer from a few problems, well known. I have an answer to some of these.
First, retool the chain from application to server. Instead of ALWAYS using sockets, write a new path on the libX11.so library so that commands are fifo'd using shared memory to the X server. Get rid of the X protocol over local connections(which require quite a bit of time decoding and encoding... think PPP), and use something more like System.map. Build the protocol over a shared memory fifo buffer. This _MUST_ be backwards compatable. Same library. Just a new life for old apps.
On the X server side - take all the networking code and build a protocol switch on it. (Thus leaving complete remote compatability.) On the other switch, allow a shared memory FIFO.
This change alone would reduce the context switched by about 1/3rd (best case) to 1/8th (worse case)
Build enlightenment/wmaker/fvwm/etc.. as a library. Allow the wm to be linked into the X server(I know, but but it's a good thing). This would lower the context switches a good bit. because you'd get rid of the X/WM/CLIENT clusterfsck that can often happen when you have an app running and you MOVE THE MOUSE (Ohh My God). Besides, if you want to switch WM's - we use the libdl.so to kill the hooks, blow out the old wm lib, and relink the new lib.
On the XServer side, some other good things could be done. One big thing is the rectangle management code under X __!!!SUCKS!!__ performance wise. (Read the X source code, it's in there). Basically, X takes all visible windows (and portions thereof) and builds a rectangle list. This would seem to be A Good Thing, but it actually sucks. Instead of some good rectangle management code, everytime you move a window - X MUST build this damn rectangle map. Oftentimes (with shapes turned on) this can add up to a hundred thousand rectangles. (Add some debug code in there - it's horrendous). Don't know what to do about this (It's pretty deeply imbedded into X). Ideas? I think some dirty-rectangle backend would work wonders. On the Amiga, the sytem was alot better. Rather than try and big-brother applications, it simply gave the drawing library a list of rectangles. Visibles and buffers to non-visibles (If it was buffered at all) The drawing lib drew into visibles, and backbuffers. If there was no backbuffer - too bad. X is simular to this, but the rectangles are maimed. Also, there is a gigantic spin-lock on the DDX. This is wrong!!!
Another interresting notion, would be to allow X to load toolkits (server side) like KDE/GNOME/Motif/Xt into the X server. This keeps client fatness down substantially. The only problem is that these toolkits were't designed from a server architecture. They were designed to be an upside-down christmas tree into the X server. A way around this may be run a toolkit as a thread for each client. On the client side, you would still build the clients with the libgnome, but the lib would have an optional direct-interface into the X server toolkit. (Again, a protocol "switch")
With a multithreaded X architecture, this would ROCK! Seperate the DDX from the DIX layer threads. Allow the DDX to accept drawing lists, and the DIX to yack at clients. This would allow you to cut your timeslices mo better for the DDX layer. Also, the DDX could operate independantly and simply be blasting pixels from a FIFO command buffer, and operate the DGA semaphores.
Anyhow, I'm soliciting some help in retooling. I think we're dumb to throw away X, but at the same time - this RELUCTANCE to mess with X is dumb. X needs a REAL direct rendering interface. Not just for special clients, but the whole architecture The design of X is monolithic and completly unoptimized for todays archetecture (Think about SMP?? Look at how bad MESA performs on SMP. Thnk about the X server doesn't help at ALL). With some COMMON sense, we could pry the network-only fingers of code from the DDX and DIX and build optimized pathways.
All this, while still using the XFree86 driver modules. That's right. We won't have to touch and drivers. (That was always the hard part). All we do is build a new client->server path.
Well, I personally would LOVE to use a VooDoo3. But, sucks for me, I run on ALPHA. I wrote 3Dfx about wanting to compile it on my Alpha. If they do that, then I'll go and do that.
Hey, LETS NOT bash them. Sure, code is the BEST way to go about it. But they don't want to do that. No Big Deal. Once the linux market share goes to 5 percent, or 10 percent, and they see that nVidia, 3dlabs, and intel are all gaining market share on Linux quickly, then they might think about it.
Read the Linux Advocacy pages. Drivers have a special place. The existance of Drivers is A Good Thing(TM). People always feel better then they get praise, and ohh by the ways; than being called driver hoes.
In fact, I wrote nVidia and 3Dfx about my experience getting my card(s) working. I settled on nVidia. (I still don't have glx working properly however.) I'm going to buy another video card, and it better have alpha support. (Hrumph!)
That is one awesome chip. Can't wait to see JUST ONE board!! Linux support rocks. 12 Million Triangles. Woah. The images looked like they'd been ray-traced almost. Yeow.
I do own stocks, and I was still banned. So what's your point anyhow? I think having the developer base as stockholders would be a hell of a lot more stable than "brokers" and "financially gifted hedge funds."
I am a long time Linux Developer, got the letter, went and opened an account with e-trade. I took the questionair, thought I did a fantastic job. It took 30 seconds for the system to churn out an answer. It said Nope.
What the hell? I would be an idiot if I didn't know the risk! I WANT to take the RISK, ok?? I will sign up to take the risk. I want it. I just want to own the stock, and get it at a good price.
I don't understand, what can I do? If anybody knows a way around this, let me know.
Allaire did the same thing for their developer base on Cold Fusion. I didn't hear anyone btch bout that.
Personally, I am very very happy. This is going to be my first investment, and hopefully if there are enough developers such as myself - it could be a good thing as far as being a part of just _one_ commercial aspect to Linux.
Man, what I really love is when some blow smoke like this one:
"This is supposed to have the power of Unix," said one source who asked to remain unidentified, adding "Janus" will exploit Intel's forthcoming dual-network boards to double throughput.
talkes about unix as if it's the sh*t, and when you meet him over lunch; he's all over how unix sucks. I wish I had a gigantic vacuum cleaner so I could and suck the fud out through his nose. pana
When did all the berzerkers and amongers come from and why are they all over/. RANTING about UNPROVEN, BIASED, STUPED FUD!! If you're here on/. for some damn crusade, then go fsck yourself. This is a FORUM for THOUGHT, comparison, and intrigue.
I am a BSD and Linux user.. they WORK, and I also own a few old amigas which are OBSOLETE. (Cause there arn't any new ones to speak of). I have a 600MHz Alpha that rocks the universe.
Amiga used to be a bunch of intelligent, smart, and witty people. Where are you now? I used to converse with people of copper chip timings and such. People used to share 3D rendering code, and hal optimizations with me. Now a bunch of crazy people are posting stupid, un-intellegent, pro-ami , bad linux. What gives?
And what's with some of you people arguing over the stack?? Excuse me, but your "personal feelings" don't make stacks. Hard work, protocol understanding, awesome timings, and know-how DO. How many people here have ACTUALLY looked deeper than make config?? I am by no means a kernel developer, but I am an app developer. And I look into the kernel ALL the time, because I feel it's important to know what impact my code really has! (For instance ioctl's are very specific, and arn't always in the man)
CCCCHHHHHIIIILLLL OOOUUUUTTTT and smell the code, ladies and gentleman./. is alot of things for alot of people. What is it for YOU?
> This goes against the whole phylosofy of Open > Source! On the contrast, Debian undergoes a 4 > month code-freeze so it is rock-solid when it > ships.
All I can say is: Release early, and release often.
You guys bich to much about distros. Distros are just code freezes IMHO. Focus on the real code.
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Our version of Digital C (Digital Unix version 4.0D) for alpha barfs on this without a . This compiler is maybe a couple of years old.
It's just like the "war" on linux. Since 95 - we've known that the linux kernel had surpassed MS's kernels. But it's only in the last MONTHS.. WEEKS even, that Linux has been seen as "okay" for certain uses.
Now, I'm going to extend this parable into Serbia - even though I admit I don't know what is happening there. The only real contact I've had is with b92.net. (They're now shut down) So don't beat me up too much!
I do know that atleast 88 nato soldiers are dead. I've seen the video of the trasfer of the bodies into montinegro(?). I talked with my Mother-in-Law, and casually asked here how many people died in Vietnam.. she said they all died after the "action" was over. In other words, the government knows that if dead bodies were rolling out, there'd be a damn good chance that Opposition in NATO would grow exponentially.
Currently, 150,000 Ethnic Albanians live in Belgrade. So far, I havn't heard anybody being trucked from there.
On the other hand, Albanians are telling stories of rape, murder, and other inhuman acts. So what is really going on there? I'd say that sites such as CNN and BBC have a big role in swaying public oppinion. In other words, they arn't telling the truth. Why was Serbian TV destroyed? "Propoganda supression?" Ha, how ironic. Serbia has over 300000 satellite dishes. (Sky TV, CNN, BBC, everyone). Now, suddenly they're silent of local news. Ofcouse in Serbia, people actually know their neighbors.
My biggest confusion is over b92.net. They were the independant free press of Belgrade. Yet, even though they chided the government for it's policies - they never reported any riots. Who has the truth?
In other words, we're not big enough to handle the truth. Everyone in this world is eating a big fat cow pie from the news. And any writer who is writing the truth, is washed out by the noise.
People are dying.. It's like that machine in Quake II where the bodies are flying out the pipes into the pools. Who's running the machine is anyone's guess.
If anybody has truth coming out of the region, I'm more than willing to help amplify. In other words, independant news from Albania and FRY.. What I'd really like to see is people with casette recorders interviewing refugees. Videos and independant reporting from Serbia.
After all, if government is watched by the media, who watches the media these days? (My guess would be the government.)
I built my 164LX @ 533MHz/ 128MB sdram, 4Gb HD for about $1600USD (with tax, etc..)
I think people overlook that fact that Alpha's are for the most part marketed at the cutting edge performance curve.
That's why I bought an older model, just like I bought my Pentium after the PII came out. I'm not obsesed(sp?) with speed.. but my (close to 2 year old model) alpha still cracks rc5 keys 10 times faster than my computer at work (PII 350).;^P
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Or maybe the device was designed by (HP, NCD, etc) and they just left it in. Wyse's devices are designed by HP.. really. And they're pretty open about it.
Pan
I think linus isn't fond of infecting the Linux tree with a "jump in the fire" attitude.
And ahem.. if he wasn't fond of other platforms.. then why are there axp, arm, sun, and yes.. even ppc ports? Without the compromises, and platform independant code he wrote.. there'd probably never be the quick of migration.
I remember that the 68k port was a fork from linux for a LONG time. PPC will need to cleanly layer into the linux source tree.
Ofcourse, if somebody took YOUR 10,000 lines of code and made a billion dollars from it.. it wouldn't make you mad. No, what would be maddening would be the fact that they changed it.. ever so slightly.. made it faster.. better. Incompatable. And you can't see it, either. It is property of MegaLopoly Capitol Holding, INC CO LTD Limited AG. So go fsck yourself and write a better one. The BSD License depends upon a "gentlemans handshake" agreement that we give, and we take. The GPL is a pissed off farmer with a shotgun. Personally, cheap reproduceable code should be BSD'd. Something like the kernel should be GPL'ed (IMHO). ;-) the Pan
Ohh yeah.. I've run a bank of 8 NT machine with only these two things.. NT (No extra drivers.. just vanilla NT + SP3) and SQL Server.
Crash.. crash after crash. Tried many a SQL Server version. (from 6-7 patch by patch). Not that the systems wounldn't stay up for a week or two. But eventually they'd crash.
I'm sorry.. but even the WORSE builds of MySQL has never ever ever panic'ed my kernel.
Heck, I do XFree programming and even though I crash the display adapter registers.. I never ever have locked my machine.
NT sucks. Good ideas, too many KERNEL bugs.
pan
Being a programmer, I work with about 50% non-white programmers(And I live in Dallas?). The only place where I've worked with less than a 25% minority was at a large telecom company.
As far as a internet-culture is concerned.. here in dallas, internet service is cheaper than cable! And you get the computer for free.
Maybe some people are just more interrested in the internet than others in your area.. but I just don't see that.
Besides, being of a hispanic origin.. what about us Latino's!?!? I'd rather not care. The nice thing about the internet is the lack of a class system. (Well, except for developers.. they're pretty classy)
A right to net act is surely in the works. That's okay with me. It may not be needed, but why not make certain? As long as poeple leave their
Jeepers..
Does this seem like a way to challenge Red Hat's
business strategy.. or just rich people having fun??
pan
We can all brag and swish our feathers around, but we 2nd tier platforms have to UNITE.
Hardware Peripheral manufacturers (Certain 3D card makers like 3dfx) refuse to support the alpha. ATI hasn't been that great (Maybe changing soon?). There are just loads of peripherals.
Mr Alpha and Ms PPC had better let everyone know that we need specs. As companies come in and dump their binaries for x86 out there, we have to let them know that that's not good enough. You either support LINUX or don't. I'm not saying that companies have to give out their family jewels, but they should be willing to allow people to use whatever platform they want.
They don't realize that a good programmer can build cross platform code. Bad ones don't. Look at LinuxPPC and AlphaLinux. 99.9% of programs compile out of the rpm. (The only exceptions being ones that are very hardware dependend and include lots of x86 asm "speedup code")
We should have a platform independent stance. As more people and newbies move into Linux, they arn't going to care what platform Linux runs on. This is a good thing.
By keeping Linux Plaform Independant, we arn't tied to the death of Intel by Transmeta.. or Elbrus, or whatever.
Pana
I can see it now.. XFree86... now with Perl Drivers!!
That's the big deal anyhow.. I have an Alpha. My biggest deal is not linux at all(stable as hell). My problem is getting drivers (3D hardware acceleration comes to mind.)
I've noticed that alot of the cross-platformism is starting to dwindle a bit. One of the reasons that Linux became so popular was the joy of hackers digging into hardware. (Atleast for me).
Pan
Okay, all INTERNATIONAL CALLS must be switched on the ground.. how about that.
Meaning the Telco's couldn't let someone call from USA to England over sat without making a long distance. And the switching capabilities are't very good.
Also, no Sat to Sat switching either.
Iridium was a flawed concept anyhow. First, all switching had to be done on the GROUND. Doh! Lots of ground stations.
Secondly, what kind of bandwidth did they offer? Atlease they could have offered the ability to have 128Kb/s. They had the chance. I talked to severel moto guys back when they were testing Iridium over South Africa. They said, Who in the world would want bandwidth??
The only one I have much hope for is Teledesic (Admittidly funded in part by BillG).. They will offer a T1 anywhere.
Let em burn. Dummies.
pan
Yeah, well it sucks to go through the first day of trading and not even KNOW if your in or out. Sorry, but it's BS. Even though it's an unconditional offer I think it sucks that my assets are sitting around waiting for E-Trade to run a fscking query. The market has closed - and I don't know if I got IPO or not!
Sure, it's not against the regulations... it's just Rock-Stupid, annoying, and unprofessional to not SELL the unconditional offers at pricing.
Yesterday their AppLogic server had a bug, but only on one server. It was showing account balances as just "$". No money afterward. After talking the tech through the differences between 6 servers and the architecture of the AppLogic server, he finally agreed and said I was pretty smart. Yep, an object didn't get distributed to the cluster.
Don't I feel good now. E-Trade thinks I'm smart. Somehow I feel stupid. Enjoy the ride..
pan
I just called and confirmed at 10:15 (5 mins ago). I had called them this morning and they said that there was nothing to do. I called a few minutes ago and they said that the thing was closed. I told them I had called earlier, and that some particular person had told me that there was nothing to do. I also told them I hadn't gotten an alert, or an email to reconfirm, as per their e-mail send out this morning, and their alert at 10:09 last night. The screwed up. Well - the guy said that the affinity program had just "reopened" temporarily. SO GO CALL AGAIN. I got in. May the schwartz be with you! Pan
It can be done. Essentially, the wm runs as a thread. IT STILL must go through the DIX layer, thus the wm isn't getting anything more special than it currently is, it just incurcs a much lower context switch being a thread. An added bonus will be that the X server can monitor the WM thread and kill/restart it when and if it fails - automatically.
Been looking at XFree86 4 code.. I want to retool it. I want to say YEAH!! to XFree86 on a good path. BUT...
I've looked at the new driver module API for XFree86, and I am going to retool X into something different. X will still suffer from a few problems, well known. I have an answer to some of these.
First, retool the chain from application to server. Instead of ALWAYS using sockets, write a new path on the libX11.so library so that commands are fifo'd using shared memory to the X server. Get rid of the X protocol over local connections(which require quite a bit of time decoding and encoding... think PPP), and use something more like System.map. Build the protocol over a shared memory fifo buffer. This _MUST_ be backwards compatable. Same library. Just a new life for old apps.
On the X server side - take all the networking code and build a protocol switch on it. (Thus leaving complete remote compatability.) On the other switch, allow a shared memory FIFO.
This change alone would reduce the context switched by about 1/3rd (best case) to 1/8th (worse case)
Build enlightenment/wmaker/fvwm/etc.. as a library. Allow the wm to be linked into the X server(I know, but but it's a good thing). This would lower the context switches a good bit. because you'd get rid of the X/WM/CLIENT clusterfsck that can often happen when you have an app running and you MOVE THE MOUSE (Ohh My God). Besides, if you want to switch WM's - we use the libdl.so to kill the hooks, blow out the old wm lib, and relink the new lib.
On the XServer side, some other good things could be done. One big thing is the rectangle management code under X __!!!SUCKS!!__ performance wise. (Read the X source code, it's in there). Basically, X takes all visible windows (and portions thereof) and builds a rectangle list. This would seem to be A Good Thing, but it actually sucks. Instead of some good rectangle management code, everytime you move a window - X MUST build this damn rectangle map. Oftentimes (with shapes turned on) this can add up to a hundred thousand rectangles. (Add some debug code in there - it's horrendous).
Don't know what to do about this (It's pretty deeply imbedded into X). Ideas? I think some dirty-rectangle backend would work wonders. On the Amiga, the sytem was alot better. Rather than try and big-brother applications, it simply gave the drawing library a list of rectangles. Visibles and buffers to non-visibles (If it was buffered at all) The drawing lib drew into visibles, and backbuffers. If there was no backbuffer - too bad. X is simular to this, but the rectangles are maimed. Also, there is a gigantic spin-lock on the DDX. This is wrong!!!
Another interresting notion, would be to allow X to load toolkits (server side) like KDE/GNOME/Motif/Xt into the X server. This keeps client fatness down substantially. The only problem is that these toolkits were't designed from a server architecture. They were designed to be an upside-down christmas tree into the X server. A way around this may be run a toolkit as a thread for each client. On the client side, you would still build the clients with the libgnome, but the lib would have an optional direct-interface into the X server toolkit. (Again, a protocol "switch")
With a multithreaded X architecture, this would ROCK! Seperate the DDX from the DIX layer threads. Allow the DDX to accept drawing lists, and the DIX to yack at clients. This would allow you to cut your timeslices mo better for the DDX layer. Also, the DDX could operate independantly and simply be blasting pixels from a FIFO command buffer, and operate the DGA semaphores.
Anyhow, I'm soliciting some help in retooling. I think we're dumb to throw away X, but at the same time - this RELUCTANCE to mess with X is dumb. X needs a REAL direct rendering interface. Not just for special clients, but the whole architecture The design of X is monolithic and completly unoptimized for todays archetecture (Think about SMP?? Look at how bad MESA performs on SMP. Thnk about the X server doesn't help at ALL). With some COMMON sense, we could pry the network-only fingers of code from the DDX and DIX and build optimized pathways.
All this, while still using the XFree86 driver modules. That's right. We won't have to touch and drivers. (That was always the hard part). All we do is build a new client->server path.
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Rog
Well, I personally would LOVE to use a VooDoo3. But, sucks for me, I run on ALPHA. I wrote 3Dfx about wanting to compile it on my Alpha. If they do that, then I'll go and do that.
Hey, LETS NOT bash them. Sure, code is the BEST way to go about it. But they don't want to do that. No Big Deal. Once the linux market share goes to 5 percent, or 10 percent, and they see that nVidia, 3dlabs, and intel are all gaining market share on Linux quickly, then they might think about it.
Read the Linux Advocacy pages. Drivers have a special place. The existance of Drivers is A Good Thing(TM). People always feel better then they get praise, and ohh by the ways; than being called driver hoes.
In fact, I wrote nVidia and 3Dfx about my experience getting my card(s) working. I settled on nVidia. (I still don't have glx working properly however.) I'm going to buy another video card, and it better have alpha support. (Hrumph!)
Roger
That is one awesome chip. Can't wait to see JUST ONE board!! Linux support rocks. 12 Million Triangles. Woah. The images looked like they'd been ray-traced almost. Yeow.
Make sure it works on Alpha Boxes!! Please!
pana
I do own stocks, and I was still banned. So what's your point anyhow? I think having the developer base as stockholders would be a hell of a lot more stable than "brokers" and "financially gifted hedge funds."
pana
I am a long time Linux Developer, got the letter, went and opened an account with e-trade. I took the questionair, thought I did a fantastic job. It took 30 seconds for the system to churn out an answer. It said Nope.
What the hell? I would be an idiot if I didn't know the risk! I WANT to take the RISK, ok?? I will sign up to take the risk. I want it. I just want to own the stock, and get it at a good price.
I don't understand, what can I do? If anybody knows a way around this, let me know.
davenrs@mailexcite.com
Allaire did the same thing for their developer base on Cold Fusion. I didn't hear anyone btch bout that.
Personally, I am very very happy. This is going to be my first investment, and hopefully if there are enough developers such as myself - it could be a good thing as far as being a part of just _one_ commercial aspect to Linux.
pana
Man, what I really love is when some blow smoke like this one:
"This is supposed to have the power of Unix," said one source who asked to remain unidentified, adding "Janus" will exploit Intel's forthcoming dual-network boards to double throughput.
talkes about unix as if it's the sh*t, and when you meet him over lunch; he's all over how unix sucks. I wish I had a gigantic vacuum cleaner so I could and suck the fud out through his nose. pana
When did all the berzerkers and amongers come from and why are they all over /. RANTING about UNPROVEN, BIASED, STUPED FUD!! If you're here on /. for some damn crusade, then go fsck yourself. This is a FORUM for THOUGHT, comparison, and intrigue.
/. is alot of things for alot of people. What is it for YOU?
I am a BSD and Linux user.. they WORK, and I also own a few old amigas which are OBSOLETE. (Cause there arn't any new ones to speak of). I have a 600MHz Alpha that rocks the universe.
Amiga used to be a bunch of intelligent, smart, and witty people. Where are you now? I used to converse with people of copper chip timings and such. People used to share 3D rendering code, and hal optimizations with me. Now a bunch of crazy people are posting stupid, un-intellegent, pro-ami , bad linux. What gives?
And what's with some of you people arguing over the stack?? Excuse me, but your "personal feelings" don't make stacks. Hard work, protocol understanding, awesome timings, and know-how DO. How many people here have ACTUALLY looked deeper than make config?? I am by no means a kernel developer, but I am an app developer. And I look into the kernel ALL the time, because I feel it's important to know what impact my code really has! (For instance ioctl's are very specific, and arn't always in the man)
CCCCHHHHHIIIILLLL OOOUUUUTTTT and smell the code, ladies and gentleman.
Pana
> This goes against the whole phylosofy of Open
> Source! On the contrast, Debian undergoes a 4
> month code-freeze so it is rock-solid when it
> ships.
All I can say is: Release early, and release often.
You guys bich to much about distros. Distros are just code freezes IMHO. Focus on the real code.
Our version of Digital C (Digital Unix version 4.0D) for alpha barfs on this without a . This compiler is maybe a couple of years old.
Here's my confused tyrade.
It's just like the "war" on linux. Since 95 - we've known that the linux kernel had surpassed MS's kernels. But it's only in the last MONTHS.. WEEKS even, that Linux has been seen as "okay" for certain uses.
Now, I'm going to extend this parable into Serbia - even though I admit I don't know what is happening there. The only real contact I've had is with b92.net. (They're now shut down) So don't beat me up too much!
I do know that atleast 88 nato soldiers are dead. I've seen the video of the trasfer of the bodies into montinegro(?). I talked with my Mother-in-Law, and casually asked here how many people died in Vietnam.. she said they all died after the "action" was over. In other words, the government knows that if dead bodies were rolling out, there'd be a damn good chance that Opposition in NATO would grow exponentially.
Currently, 150,000 Ethnic Albanians live in Belgrade. So far, I havn't heard anybody being trucked from there.
On the other hand, Albanians are telling stories of rape, murder, and other inhuman acts. So what is really going on there? I'd say that sites such as CNN and BBC have a big role in swaying public oppinion. In other words, they arn't telling the truth. Why was Serbian TV destroyed? "Propoganda supression?" Ha, how ironic. Serbia has over 300000 satellite dishes. (Sky TV, CNN, BBC, everyone). Now, suddenly they're silent of local news. Ofcouse in Serbia, people actually know their neighbors.
My biggest confusion is over b92.net. They were the independant free press of Belgrade. Yet, even though they chided the government for it's policies - they never reported any riots. Who has the truth?
In other words, we're not big enough to handle the truth. Everyone in this world is eating a big fat cow pie from the news. And any writer who is writing the truth, is washed out by the noise.
People are dying.. It's like that machine in Quake II where the bodies are flying out the pipes into the pools. Who's running the machine is anyone's guess.
If anybody has truth coming out of the region, I'm more than willing to help amplify. In other words, independant news from Albania and FRY.. What I'd really like to see is people with casette recorders interviewing refugees. Videos and independant reporting from Serbia.
After all, if government is watched by the media, who watches the media these days? (My guess would be the government.)
Write me at davenrs@mailexcite.com.
I built my 164LX @ 533MHz/ 128MB sdram, 4Gb HD for about $1600USD (with tax, etc..)
;^P
I think people overlook that fact that Alpha's are for the most part marketed at the cutting edge performance curve.
That's why I bought an older model, just like I bought my Pentium after the PII came out. I'm not obsesed(sp?) with speed.. but my (close to 2 year old model) alpha still cracks rc5 keys 10 times faster than my computer at work (PII 350).
Roger