Naysayers ?!?
Seriously,/. is riddled with reports each week about some idiot network/sys/operations/whatever admin or business that screwed up royally because of sheer stupidity. This guy is a potential minefield. Want some advice?
- Leave the job to people who are trained, skilled and actually deserve to have it before you end up as a news-item on/. - read the books first, then apply for the job
I'm having difficulty understanding why open-source implies they won't have the power to control the direction in which it's taken. The best FOSS is driven by a clear roadmap which tries to prevent forking (sorry, don't have citation for this). I think google can and will drive this in their direction, the FOSS community can resist but they have no leverage against this mammoth. You're absolutely correct in the last sentence (re MS tactics).
The "V8 VM" is just a high performance implementation of the Javascript VM which is already an open industry standard
We all know that google has a soft spot for javascript. I think it would be naive to anticipate they'll just mirror the functionality of current VM's. What I envisage is an embedded extension in V8VM which will enable Ajax and the likes (Google Web Toolkit) without loading them as a library from the site. To make a poor comparison: think of it as writing Java applets which have to load Swing/AWT from the site - once they're included in the Java VM it opens doors for developers, they no longer need to "choose" which library to provide to the client. My bet is that the V8VM will include the Google Web Toolkit at some point in the near future, and developers will adopt it. (yes, I now javascript isn't java)
The point I'm trying to make is that all these new approaches (multi-threaded/processed, new VM, new garbage collector, implementing levels of permissions,...) points towards the start of something - not just a description of a final product. This is a company with a Market cap of 180 Bill. Trust me: they have a roadmap, a stratplan, they had enough of IE and this is a declaration of war. If there is ever going to be a point where web 2.0, cloudcomputing and all the other marketing slogans become real life, this sure is a great contender.
I bet this will result in a double standard, just like we're experiencing now with CSS. Some websites will exploit the full capabilities of the new V8 VM on Chrome and experience problems on other browsers.
You could argue that it's open source - other browsers can adopt the google implementation, but I see it as google bullying the webstandards. There's been research into the next-gen javascript and - although it didn't yield big results - they did make progress in identifying the hot spots.
Secondly, the way the new VM is implemented appears to require an inherently multi-threaded or multi-process browser, will it be that easy to adopt it into other browsers ?
I applaud the new initiative and hopefully this will boost new web-applications. On the downside, it looks like google is going along the same road as MS: developers are force-fed new standards and practices.
Indeed, they commonly use mineral oils in transformers and high-power/voltage applications. But I'm skeptic about their electrical characteristics in a HF environment like a computer.
... will remain an utter failure. Developers decide that Flash and the like are the problem and decide that the user should go without or spend hours of trial and error to get it. Guess what, flash works great for me in Konqueror and fails miserably in FF. This has made me realize that Flash support is not the blame of Adobe, but because of unpredictable behaviour of linux on a given configuration.
Flash may or may not be evil closed source, it's as basic to the normal use of a computer as a sound- and video-driver (2nd failure on linux) or ubiquitous wireless detection (3rd failure on linux).
After years of Linux the only advance I see is continuous devotion to appearance instead of content and the blatant copying of evil closed-software packages.
My prediction: in 5 years there will be a large number of open-source flash-forks. None of them will work 100%. It'll be supported after the next generation of multimedia tools will flood your computer.
- why the lowest software for their drives are divided into sectors and tracks
- what a sleep and spin-up delay is
- why these fossils take more than a second to boot
- how to accurately predict when their drive has reached limited write cycles
- how to isolate transistors with bad oxides
my guess: we just added another cache-layer. We'll have super-slow/cheap/mass storage in the form of spinning disks, which are cached by SSD, which are cached on RAM, which are cached on cpu-interconnects where each cpu has L3, L2, L1
Please god let the open source crowd get there before the manufacturers pull a VHS/Betamacs competition between their own protocols.
Are you kidding me? Let's hope the open source crowd stays way back on this. Imagine an open-source car:
- no support for advanced hardware
- an audio-support with 20 interwoven protocol layers
- a problem ? pull over and get the terminal out
- an update ? some thing gets fixed, many things get broken
- Wanna complain? fix it yourself or file a bugreport that sits there for 5 years
Seriously, Open source is nice when it has shiny wobbly windows and you don't need to do any real work on it. The tests on automotive software are so stringent that the open-source development process (if there's such a thing) inherently locks itself out of that part of the industry.
Yeah, I'd like to see who'll put his life in the hands of OSS at 80 mph in a turn.
I skipped the faq and went for the threads and 400000 posts, apparently that was a mistake. The posts I read didn't touch conspiracy. Thanks for pointing out.
I've only read a few threads and what they do is what every scientist pro or contra does: attack it from every possible angle. The topic they've chosen is as innocent as can be, and from the bits and pieces I've read they put up a very nice show which is amuzing to read
Questioning Science is not anti-scientific. Taking ruling theories as absolute truth is unscientific.
Stuff like this should be demonstrated in schools to show kids how science works and learn them how to build and defend your case.
The reason for assembling locally is import taxes, you don't pay import tariffs on parts but on assembled products. It's a measure put up by many nations to balance the influx of finished products with local employment.
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As for optimization, my advice to you is:
1. Know what you need to optimize
2. Measure, don't guess
3. Don't tell your boss about 1. and 2.
Naysayers ?!? /. is riddled with reports each week about some idiot network/sys/operations/whatever admin or business that screwed up royally because of sheer stupidity. This guy is a potential minefield. Want some advice?
/.
Seriously,
- Leave the job to people who are trained, skilled and actually deserve to have it before you end up as a news-item on
- read the books first, then apply for the job
When you all started out, what route did you take to pick up the server setup and maintenance skills you have now?
We went to school and took a job at something we're good at.
A new version of this crap OS comes out and the fosstards are lulling about the name. Exactly 1 thread on speed ("Speed is important").
/. Wank away.
One more time before I split: Desktop Linux isn't free, it's worthless.
Bye dickheads, bye
http://www.symbrion.eu/
Or send the pollutants to India like they did with that landing strip.
China.
/.'ers seem to forget where the investors that made China what it is today came from.
Somehow
China is a problem because they do the laundry without complaining about the skid marks.
It's a creative commons attribution-noncommercial-noderivatives license
They're in full control.
Gold !
Understatement of the week.
I'm having difficulty understanding why open-source implies they won't have the power to control the direction in which it's taken. The best FOSS is driven by a clear roadmap which tries to prevent forking (sorry, don't have citation for this). I think google can and will drive this in their direction, the FOSS community can resist but they have no leverage against this mammoth. You're absolutely correct in the last sentence (re MS tactics).
The "V8 VM" is just a high performance implementation of the Javascript VM which is already an open industry standard
...) points towards the start of something - not just a description of a final product. This is a company with a Market cap of 180 Bill. Trust me: they have a roadmap, a stratplan, they had enough of IE and this is a declaration of war. If there is ever going to be a point where web 2.0, cloudcomputing and all the other marketing slogans become real life, this sure is a great contender.
We all know that google has a soft spot for javascript. I think it would be naive to anticipate they'll just mirror the functionality of current VM's. What I envisage is an embedded extension in V8VM which will enable Ajax and the likes (Google Web Toolkit) without loading them as a library from the site. To make a poor comparison: think of it as writing Java applets which have to load Swing/AWT from the site - once they're included in the Java VM it opens doors for developers, they no longer need to "choose" which library to provide to the client. My bet is that the V8VM will include the Google Web Toolkit at some point in the near future, and developers will adopt it. (yes, I now javascript isn't java)
The point I'm trying to make is that all these new approaches (multi-threaded/processed, new VM, new garbage collector, implementing levels of permissions,
40 years from now they'll look back and ask themselves how they didn't see it coming.
I bet this will result in a double standard, just like we're experiencing now with CSS. Some websites will exploit the full capabilities of the new V8 VM on Chrome and experience problems on other browsers.
You could argue that it's open source - other browsers can adopt the google implementation, but I see it as google bullying the webstandards. There's been research into the next-gen javascript and - although it didn't yield big results - they did make progress in identifying the hot spots.
Secondly, the way the new VM is implemented appears to require an inherently multi-threaded or multi-process browser, will it be that easy to adopt it into other browsers ?
I applaud the new initiative and hopefully this will boost new web-applications. On the downside, it looks like google is going along the same road as MS: developers are force-fed new standards and practices.
OK. But what commercial SE would claim to deliberately ignore robots.txt on images to find stolen images ? Wouldn't that be suicide ?
Indeed, they commonly use mineral oils in transformers and high-power/voltage applications. But I'm skeptic about their electrical characteristics in a HF environment like a computer.
It fits the "Idly passing the time away" and it's stuff that matters.
... if you ban the search engine in your robots.txt ?
... will remain an utter failure. Developers decide that Flash and the like are the problem and decide that the user should go without or spend hours of trial and error to get it. Guess what, flash works great for me in Konqueror and fails miserably in FF. This has made me realize that Flash support is not the blame of Adobe, but because of unpredictable behaviour of linux on a given configuration.
Flash may or may not be evil closed source, it's as basic to the normal use of a computer as a sound- and video-driver (2nd failure on linux) or ubiquitous wireless detection (3rd failure on linux).
After years of Linux the only advance I see is continuous devotion to appearance instead of content and the blatant copying of evil closed-software packages.
My prediction: in 5 years there will be a large number of open-source flash-forks. None of them will work 100%. It'll be supported after the next generation of multimedia tools will flood your computer.
- why the lowest software for their drives are divided into sectors and tracks
- what a sleep and spin-up delay is
- why these fossils take more than a second to boot
- how to accurately predict when their drive has reached limited write cycles
- how to isolate transistors with bad oxides
my guess: we just added another cache-layer. We'll have super-slow/cheap/mass storage in the form of spinning disks, which are cached by SSD, which are cached on RAM, which are cached on cpu-interconnects where each cpu has L3, L2, L1
excellent
Please god let the open source crowd get there before the manufacturers pull a VHS/Betamacs competition between their own protocols.
Are you kidding me? Let's hope the open source crowd stays way back on this. Imagine an open-source car:
- no support for advanced hardware
- an audio-support with 20 interwoven protocol layers
- a problem ? pull over and get the terminal out
- an update ? some thing gets fixed, many things get broken
- Wanna complain? fix it yourself or file a bugreport that sits there for 5 years
Seriously, Open source is nice when it has shiny wobbly windows and you don't need to do any real work on it. The tests on automotive software are so stringent that the open-source development process (if there's such a thing) inherently locks itself out of that part of the industry.
Yeah, I'd like to see who'll put his life in the hands of OSS at 80 mph in a turn.
Hi golodh,
I skipped the faq and went for the threads and 400000 posts, apparently that was a mistake. The posts I read didn't touch conspiracy. Thanks for pointing out.
I've only read a few threads and what they do is what every scientist pro or contra does: attack it from every possible angle. The topic they've chosen is as innocent as can be, and from the bits and pieces I've read they put up a very nice show which is amuzing to read
Questioning Science is not anti-scientific. Taking ruling theories as absolute truth is unscientific.
Stuff like this should be demonstrated in schools to show kids how science works and learn them how to build and defend your case.
The reason for assembling locally is import taxes, you don't pay import tariffs on parts but on assembled products. It's a measure put up by many nations to balance the influx of finished products with local employment.