You kinda missed a point somewhere. If your enterprise must have IE6 for internal apps, fine - use IE6 for internal apps. That dinosaur of a browser will be just fine for running stupid software that should have been deprecated by now.
JUST DON'T BROWSE THE WEB WITH IE6!!! The IT department can install another browser, to exist side-by-side with IE6, on those computers that actually require an outside connection. And, the same IT department should have locked down IE6 to use an internal proxy that has no access to the outside world.
Need IE6? Use IE6 - but stop polluting the intartubez with that trash!
How about backporting Security Enhanced Linux, for starters? (probably already done, somewhere, by some evil "hacker", but since I don't use Mac, I couldn't say, yea or nay) Oh - I understand that a lot of Mac-heads will resist the inconveniences involved, just as most Windows users resist the inconveniences of security. But, I would imagine that Mac users will fall in line with something like a modified SEL more readily than the average Windows user.
And, to be fair, most Linux users don't bother with SEL either. Only the paranoid and/or the poeple with something really worth stealing. So, what you say about Mac users pretty much applies to Linux users as well. We've been under the radar, we're not being shot at - but if the bullets start flying, we DO OWN better armor than hopes and prayers.
Uhhhhh - no, not exactly. Microsoft COULD HAVE bundled real security into Windows way, way, way back, around Windows 95, or 98, or NT4 . . . well, you get the idea. Bundling real security would have been comparably easy BEFORE they got their teats in the wringer with those anti-trust suits. Now, not so much. But, the lesson learned here is, security is one of Microsoft's low-priority concerns, and has only rated that low priority for a couple of years now. When was it that MSE was introduced?
You obviously don't run any benchmarks. Try Acid1, 2, and 3 - then try Peacekeeper. The side-by-side results from FF3.6 and FF4.0 aren't overly dramatic, but they do show that FF4 has more capability than 3.6 Then, try FF5b and FF6a to see even more improvements.
Failing to upgrade won't mean that you are left behind overnight - but you may find yourself left behind if you don't pay attention. "Hey, AC, have you seen that cool new shits on wildwhackybling.com?" "Nahhhh, that shits won't load in my browser, so I just closed the tab." "Man, you gotta get with the times!!! Change to blah-blah browser, then go to wildwhackybling!"
The thirty they admit to are actually high ranking officers, each in command of hundreds of junior officers and senior technicians. And, that doesn't even count the support echelons associated with them.
I'm sure something was "lost" in translation. Probably those missing zero's, among other things.
Various articles over the past few years have pointed fingers at China, regarding cyber attacks. Some people have tried to claim that the odd rogue "hacker" was responsible. While that might be possible in some minor cases, the persistence of the attacks indicates the concerted efforts of many people - ie, military involvement.
All this time, I've been thinking that Sony IS the security problem. Visa, Mastercard, and Bank of America didn't leak all those user's credentials - Sony did. Sony doesn't "have" security problems, they are the problem!
If hacking were illegal, then some pretty famous people would still be locked up. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Linus Torvalds come readily to mind. Microsoft employees by the hundreds. Apple employees by the score. Probably all of the anti-malware companies would lose their most valuable people.
Had you said that "espionage" and "theft by wire" were illegal bfore 9/11, your post would have made more sense. "Hacking" is not, nor has it ever been illegal - TOS's and EULA's notwithstanding.
You've obviously not used a Linux desktop lately. Enlightenment, for starters. It's the epitome of an "eyecandy" desktop - and it uses fewer system resources than other known "light" desktops. Open Sound Systems version 4 is another - sound beats anything on any system, IMO. Android is FOSS. Much of Google's stuff is FOSS. Ubuntu thinks they've got something with Unity desktop.
Perhaps I should ask you to define "innovative". I've looked at many software offerings in the past that claimed to be "innovative". Some gooberhead or another figures out how to put a pretty GUI in front of NETCAP or some other system tool, or group of tools, copyrights it, and offers it under a restrictive proprietary license, for 30, 90, maybe 120 dollars. If you call that "innovative", then FOSS has no such innovative offerings. You'll be disappointed if you go looking.
In a Microsoft eccentric world, few people are equipped to recognize real innovation.
innovative != popular innovative != accepted by the masses innovative != embrace, extend, extinguish
I really don't have time for this nonsense. I left the Windows world, long ago. Now and then I take a look at what Microsoft is doing, and I have a little bit of grudging respect for Windows 7. They're finally beginning to do a few things right. Not enough, but some. Microsoft office? Phhht. For years, office was the primary vector for viral and other infestations. Guess what? Back when I used Windows I solved half or more of my infestations just by uninstalling Outlook.
It's not my fault that most users are to retarded to even want to understand their operating system, to stupid to use a command line, and to uncaring to heed multiple warnings about untrusted files. Marketing an OS that is popular with such users is not called "innovative", it's more properly called "exploitation".
I'm saying that the Linux desktop and FOSS software is already superior to Windows, and that being equal to today's windows would be a step backward - we sure as hell don't need to go back to Windows of ten years ago.
That statement borders on "asinine". No one in the FOSS community WANTS their software to do what Windows software did ten years ago. We didn't want it then, we don't want it now, and if we ever arrive at that point, we'll probably all abandon FOSS. Good grief . . .
Shills are bad enough. Whining shills are just pure lose. Billy Boy Goats - errrr - GATES left a legacy that will be memorialized in the history books. And, that legacy includes the borg icon. Don't like it? Don't read Microsloth articles on Slashdot - problem solved.
Your "analogy" has really begun to suffer from terminal idiocy. First - there are a whole bunch of hackers. Some are pissed at Sony, for legitimate reasons. Anonymous ranks among them. Then, there are a bunch of criminals who are taking advantage of the chaos. I sympathize and support the former, and I would like to see the latter brought to justice.
So, that mythical architect pissed off a bunch of homeowners when he removed portions of thier homes, those homeowners made life hard on the architect, and while they kept the architect busy, an unrelated gang went in the back door to steal everything they could find. And, that gang doesn't care WHO owns ANY of the goodies.
There is no unified hacker front hammering on Sony - there are several groups, each intent on their own goals.
Actually - because Sony execs are assholes, all the chumps who blindly trusted those assholes do kinda deserve to get burnt. The burning will be limited, it's not like anyone is going to lose their life savings or anything like that.
they hit "critical mass" with the "hacker communities".
That simple change - communities, plural - puts me in agreement with you. Gotta realize that there are many "hacker communities" out there. Some of them are unethical, immoral, lowlife SOB's, while others are just regular people having fun, some are associated with Anonymous, some are in it for the money, etc ad nauseum.
The telcos and other ISP's have taken money from the government, many times, mostly to aid in that "last mile" crap. And, the "last mile" just never materializes.
Although - the idea of tax breaks conferring partial ownership upon the government isn't a bad idea either. Tax breaks are, after all, just another form of subsidy.
Want free market? Stop taking subsidies. Stop filing suits against all the small local governments that try to install any system in areas that don't have service. Free market? Just stop being giant fucking douches, determined to milk every dime possible out of the system. Stop abusing the legal system, stop abusing the legislative system, stop ripping the people off. We don't HAVE free trade, you big dummy - not as long as a telco of cable company is permitted to file suit against a community that is trying to provide a service where none exists.
The thing is, the American government and the American people "own" a significant part of all the networks. Being granted a monopoly, and accepting subsidies, means that you don't get to make all the rules.
I'd say "Fuck the guru!" except, gurus aren't my style. Of course, I have to wonder whose style a toe jam eating guru WOULD be. Ehh, my sisters like wierd people. I guess SOMEONE would think the old toe jam eater was cool . . .
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You kinda missed a point somewhere. If your enterprise must have IE6 for internal apps, fine - use IE6 for internal apps. That dinosaur of a browser will be just fine for running stupid software that should have been deprecated by now.
JUST DON'T BROWSE THE WEB WITH IE6!!! The IT department can install another browser, to exist side-by-side with IE6, on those computers that actually require an outside connection. And, the same IT department should have locked down IE6 to use an internal proxy that has no access to the outside world.
Need IE6? Use IE6 - but stop polluting the intartubez with that trash!
Hmmm - yeah.
How about backporting Security Enhanced Linux, for starters? (probably already done, somewhere, by some evil "hacker", but since I don't use Mac, I couldn't say, yea or nay) Oh - I understand that a lot of Mac-heads will resist the inconveniences involved, just as most Windows users resist the inconveniences of security. But, I would imagine that Mac users will fall in line with something like a modified SEL more readily than the average Windows user.
And, to be fair, most Linux users don't bother with SEL either. Only the paranoid and/or the poeple with something really worth stealing. So, what you say about Mac users pretty much applies to Linux users as well. We've been under the radar, we're not being shot at - but if the bullets start flying, we DO OWN better armor than hopes and prayers.
Things to think about, huh?
Uhhhhh - no, not exactly. Microsoft COULD HAVE bundled real security into Windows way, way, way back, around Windows 95, or 98, or NT4 . . . well, you get the idea. Bundling real security would have been comparably easy BEFORE they got their teats in the wringer with those anti-trust suits. Now, not so much. But, the lesson learned here is, security is one of Microsoft's low-priority concerns, and has only rated that low priority for a couple of years now. When was it that MSE was introduced?
You obviously don't run any benchmarks. Try Acid1, 2, and 3 - then try Peacekeeper. The side-by-side results from FF3.6 and FF4.0 aren't overly dramatic, but they do show that FF4 has more capability than 3.6 Then, try FF5b and FF6a to see even more improvements.
Failing to upgrade won't mean that you are left behind overnight - but you may find yourself left behind if you don't pay attention. "Hey, AC, have you seen that cool new shits on wildwhackybling.com?" "Nahhhh, that shits won't load in my browser, so I just closed the tab." "Man, you gotta get with the times!!! Change to blah-blah browser, then go to wildwhackybling!"
muslims . . . . pinata . . .
I suspect that you've mixed up your cultures, as well as your metaphors.
I'm not a professional, so I can be abusive all I want. Now, say something retarded so I can feel justified in abusing you . . .
Meanwhile, AC is truly retarded. You were making funny, and he was just to stupid to see that. See? I'm an equal-opportunity abuser!!
Could we just Finnish this round of inanities now?
The thirty they admit to are actually high ranking officers, each in command of hundreds of junior officers and senior technicians. And, that doesn't even count the support echelons associated with them.
I'm sure something was "lost" in translation. Probably those missing zero's, among other things.
Various articles over the past few years have pointed fingers at China, regarding cyber attacks. Some people have tried to claim that the odd rogue "hacker" was responsible. While that might be possible in some minor cases, the persistence of the attacks indicates the concerted efforts of many people - ie, military involvement.
All this time, I've been thinking that Sony IS the security problem. Visa, Mastercard, and Bank of America didn't leak all those user's credentials - Sony did. Sony doesn't "have" security problems, they are the problem!
If hacking were illegal, then some pretty famous people would still be locked up. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Linus Torvalds come readily to mind. Microsoft employees by the hundreds. Apple employees by the score. Probably all of the anti-malware companies would lose their most valuable people.
Had you said that "espionage" and "theft by wire" were illegal bfore 9/11, your post would have made more sense. "Hacking" is not, nor has it ever been illegal - TOS's and EULA's notwithstanding.
You've obviously not used a Linux desktop lately. Enlightenment, for starters. It's the epitome of an "eyecandy" desktop - and it uses fewer system resources than other known "light" desktops. Open Sound Systems version 4 is another - sound beats anything on any system, IMO. Android is FOSS. Much of Google's stuff is FOSS. Ubuntu thinks they've got something with Unity desktop.
Perhaps I should ask you to define "innovative". I've looked at many software offerings in the past that claimed to be "innovative". Some gooberhead or another figures out how to put a pretty GUI in front of NETCAP or some other system tool, or group of tools, copyrights it, and offers it under a restrictive proprietary license, for 30, 90, maybe 120 dollars. If you call that "innovative", then FOSS has no such innovative offerings. You'll be disappointed if you go looking.
In a Microsoft eccentric world, few people are equipped to recognize real innovation.
innovative != popular
innovative != accepted by the masses
innovative != embrace, extend, extinguish
I really don't have time for this nonsense. I left the Windows world, long ago. Now and then I take a look at what Microsoft is doing, and I have a little bit of grudging respect for Windows 7. They're finally beginning to do a few things right. Not enough, but some. Microsoft office? Phhht. For years, office was the primary vector for viral and other infestations. Guess what? Back when I used Windows I solved half or more of my infestations just by uninstalling Outlook.
It's not my fault that most users are to retarded to even want to understand their operating system, to stupid to use a command line, and to uncaring to heed multiple warnings about untrusted files. Marketing an OS that is popular with such users is not called "innovative", it's more properly called "exploitation".
I'm saying that the Linux desktop and FOSS software is already superior to Windows, and that being equal to today's windows would be a step backward - we sure as hell don't need to go back to Windows of ten years ago.
That statement borders on "asinine". No one in the FOSS community WANTS their software to do what Windows software did ten years ago. We didn't want it then, we don't want it now, and if we ever arrive at that point, we'll probably all abandon FOSS. Good grief . . .
People keep asking where the "Microsoft tax" is. This is yet one more example, which those same people will ignore.
Speak for yourself, young kook! I'm as relevant as I - - - now, dammit, what were we arguing about?
Shills are bad enough. Whining shills are just pure lose. Billy Boy Goats - errrr - GATES left a legacy that will be memorialized in the history books. And, that legacy includes the borg icon. Don't like it? Don't read Microsloth articles on Slashdot - problem solved.
Your "analogy" has really begun to suffer from terminal idiocy. First - there are a whole bunch of hackers. Some are pissed at Sony, for legitimate reasons. Anonymous ranks among them. Then, there are a bunch of criminals who are taking advantage of the chaos. I sympathize and support the former, and I would like to see the latter brought to justice.
So, that mythical architect pissed off a bunch of homeowners when he removed portions of thier homes, those homeowners made life hard on the architect, and while they kept the architect busy, an unrelated gang went in the back door to steal everything they could find. And, that gang doesn't care WHO owns ANY of the goodies.
There is no unified hacker front hammering on Sony - there are several groups, each intent on their own goals.
Actually - because Sony execs are assholes, all the chumps who blindly trusted those assholes do kinda deserve to get burnt. The burning will be limited, it's not like anyone is going to lose their life savings or anything like that.
they hit "critical mass" with the "hacker communities".
That simple change - communities, plural - puts me in agreement with you. Gotta realize that there are many "hacker communities" out there. Some of them are unethical, immoral, lowlife SOB's, while others are just regular people having fun, some are associated with Anonymous, some are in it for the money, etc ad nauseum.
Not tax breaks, exactly. Subsidies.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/08/us-fcc-internet-rural-idUSTRE71759V20110208
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9090.pdf
The telcos and other ISP's have taken money from the government, many times, mostly to aid in that "last mile" crap. And, the "last mile" just never materializes.
Although - the idea of tax breaks conferring partial ownership upon the government isn't a bad idea either. Tax breaks are, after all, just another form of subsidy.
Want free market? Stop taking subsidies. Stop filing suits against all the small local governments that try to install any system in areas that don't have service. Free market? Just stop being giant fucking douches, determined to milk every dime possible out of the system. Stop abusing the legal system, stop abusing the legislative system, stop ripping the people off. We don't HAVE free trade, you big dummy - not as long as a telco of cable company is permitted to file suit against a community that is trying to provide a service where none exists.
The thing is, the American government and the American people "own" a significant part of all the networks. Being granted a monopoly, and accepting subsidies, means that you don't get to make all the rules.
I'd say "Fuck the guru!" except, gurus aren't my style. Of course, I have to wonder whose style a toe jam eating guru WOULD be. Ehh, my sisters like wierd people. I guess SOMEONE would think the old toe jam eater was cool . . .