I think their approach is very similar to how CD-ROM works when it cannot read a certain portion of a cd, ie due to scratches, etc.
A standard CD-ROM can hold much more than 650mb of raw data, but a portion of it is used to store some sort of checksum (you can look up the details on how exactly it works yourself), leaving 650mb for the user. Using this information, your computer (cdrom driver?) can reconstruct a certain amount of missing information that it could not read off your CD.
Now, I don't think the algorithm used on the CDs for data recovery is very aggressive. There are a lot more aggressive CRC algorithms that can let you recover more bits of data (or prevent certain types of corruption), with less overhead bits. This is what i think they are doing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wow, there must be something wrong with your cooling... My system runs at 52C max, at full load. Usually, it hovers at around 45C. Might wanna check your heatsinks, etc... But then if you don't have any stability problems, then it doesn't really matter.
Well, just keep in mind that it takes energy to convert heat back to energy. Perhaps you do get an extra hour of use out of your laptop or an extra few miles out of a gallon of gas, but energy usage will be higher in the end. So in terms of using this technology to save energy, it is pointless. Sure, locally, everything can run more efficiently, but also keep in mind that now it will take more energy to produce your 'efficient' product.
But ultimately, I am for this technology. As long as we can manage energy usage and manage the waste products such as nuclear wast and heat (send them to an alien civilization), i'm all for it.
Yep. The amount of energy involved in developing this technology, and the energy used to manufacture the devices will, in the end, most likely use up more energy than the amount it saves. Very pointless in fighting entropy.
For obvious reasons, it would be in the best interest of both MCI and Verizon to negotiate the bandwidth usage in this case. Therefore this will not be a real problem even without a central authority allocating the bandwidth. And of course the loser here would be the third-party devices using the same frequencies...
Well, when I go to a crowded place, every kid I see *has* a cell phone here in the U.S. The main reason is because 'it is cool' for them to have a cell phone. Guess if they don't, they will be considered 'antisocial'. But do they really need it? Not really.
Personally I do not own a cell phone, because most of the time, there's a phone where I am. At home... at work... or hanging out with my friends (they have cell phones). So I don't really need one myself...
Using the % of youth having cell phones as a measure of technological advancedment is pretty inaccurate. Perhaps the percentage is so high in your country because it lacked a real infrastructure...
No matter what the reparation MS makes, it will not change the current situation. Sure, they could use Redhat's suggestion of reparation. But I think what will happen is that people will eventually go out and buy Windows XP to replace Redhat. Only when Sun, BeOS, and other OS producing companies actually get on their asses and start to produce a superior OS, and market it aggressively, would things change. Has the slashdot community noticed, Windows (2k/XP) is the only non-unix-based OS out there? The rest of the world should get on with unix... it's a 30+ year old technology that seriously needs to be updated. Win2k and XP are superior OSes for the average consumer. It has an excellent GUI, easy to use, stable, fast, and large libraries of drivers supporting a large variety of hardware, not to mention huge software library as well.
The case against MS is outdated. It used to be the case that MS used unfair business tactics to sell an inferior OS (Win 3.1, Win95, etc.) That is no longer the case. (perhaps they're not using unfair tactics to sell a superior OS.) But why would tons of ppl rush to buy WinXP? MS is a monopoly because the market choose to let it be. Has MS sabotaged say.. Sun's ability to develop Solaris? No. I think Sun sabotaged themselves by basing Solaris on unix, a dead-end technology. Sun should spend more resources and come up with their own OS, something from scratch, maybe.
Yes, the United States Armed Forces is a terrorist organization. They must have killed or injured more innocent people in Afghanistan since 9/11 than the 9/11 WTC event. We are also the only country in the world to actually use a nuclear weapon. and 2 fucking times! Talk about hypocrisies! Gee, I wonder why the Mideast countries hate us so much.
Yes, we may respect human rights, but only the humans within the country. This country does not respect the human rights of other humans on this planet.
> Via may in fact be working on a new chip, but one must make money in the mean time.
This 'P4 Clone' would in fact be that new chip. But they are calling it a 'P4 Clone' to take advantage of what Intel has already done to market the P4.
Just because they call it a 'clone' doesn't mean that it has to be reverse engineered or have very similar microarchitectural features internally.... Afterall, whatever we call these CPUs, they are simply names, and you can call any design any name you want...
> By then Intel might be up to the Pentium 5 or 6! Why bother?
Even if they called it Pentium 5 or 6, my guess is that it will still be the same core as the P4, just with a better process, and perhaps added instructions... sort of like the Pentium Pros, Pentium IIs Klamaths, and Pentium IIIs Katmai, Coppermine.. I know I am missing a bunch of them variations of the P6 die.
If anyone can (legally) make a x86 compatible processor nowadays, whats wrong with making one that will simply fit into a P4 socket? VIA can simply claim its a P4-clone and package a die of their own design. And I think that is what they're doing since it was mentioned in the article on The Register that there are 18 pipe stages in VIA's design.. and if I recall correctly, the P4 has greater than 20 pipeline stages.
I don't ever recall AMD getting sued for making those Super 7 K6-2s and K6-3s CPUs.
Do you know what a chipset is? Lets just set it straight, a chipset is not a processor. You obviously thinks PA-RISC chips are server-chipset. What an idiot.
Actually, for the same amount of performance, a P4 dissipates more heat than a P3. So in terms of amount of electricity used, a P4 uses more... not to mention a P4 costs more than a P3. So the one-time cost and the recurring cost of a P4 are both higher than that of a P3. So in conclusion, a P4 has a lower performance/cost ratio (or at the same performance, higher cost).
Now that the performance is the same, which chip would you buy? (not to mention you have to buy Rambus ram, yaddy yaddy yadda... so you get the picture...)
One addition to the operational costs: older machines (esp. 486s and early Pentiums) runs HOT! They are not as power efficient as some of the newer chips in terms of performance/power usage ratio. So if you take into account the amount of electricity sucked up by these little machines over its life span, you will probably want to trash your old systems and buy a new one (not P4s though!)
Asustek already manufactures GeForce3 video cards, whether it is manufactured in China or not, I do not know... but I've never heard of any similar news of the US government urging nVidia not to liscence or sell their chips to Asustek. I think I can safely say that the GeForce3 is more powerful than Sony's Emotion Engine.
There is a threshold of quality that people look for. I think I can safely say that the $100 40GB IDE HD meets most people's requirements. SCSI, Fibre Channel, 1394, or Infiniband HDs are only marginally better than an IDE for disproportionally higher prices. Of course for those with only performance in mind, thats the obvious choice. But for the masses, IDE rules.
A Yugo does not meet most people's standards of quality or driving it would ruin their reputation, so its not a good comparison at all. Even comparing a $20k Honda vs. a $60k BMW is not exactly the same. You just can't make a good analogy using cars.
As for your argument of higher reliability of Infiniband or SCSI or Fibre Channel (which is SCSI underneath), the only real way of improving reliability with hard drives is with redundancy, aka RAID. Most of the hard drives are the same underneath, spinning disc(s) with a read/write head. The difference between a typical SCSI and a typical IDE is relly only the interface, and perhaps the RPM, with SCSI more likely to be higher in RPM, which means it is actually less reliable.
Sure it is a standard, but there is not just one standard English language. Different localities have its own 'standards'. It is not an API, but a protocol. As long as both parties agree to a certain protocol (perhaps even slighly different, but compatible), communication can be achieved. Calling one that does not speak your protocol 'stupid' is ignorant, self-centered, and racist.
And for those naturally interested... it will drive them to learn the rest themselves. It is what drove me to learn more about computers... setting up the sound cards, video cards..., resolving IRQ conflicts... and then eventually learning to install new hardware... and then of course programming and then computer engineering all that was driven by the urge to play games. And I plan to become a game developer soon.
For the rest who aren't interested in computers... teach them word processing (and how to type, etc), so at least they will have that skill when they go out to work.
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I think their approach is very similar to how CD-ROM works when it cannot read a certain portion of a cd, ie due to scratches, etc.
A standard CD-ROM can hold much more than 650mb of raw data, but a portion of it is used to store some sort of checksum (you can look up the details on how exactly it works yourself), leaving 650mb for the user. Using this information, your computer (cdrom driver?) can reconstruct a certain amount of missing information that it could not read off your CD.
Now, I don't think the algorithm used on the CDs for data recovery is very aggressive. There are a lot more aggressive CRC algorithms that can let you recover more bits of data (or prevent certain types of corruption), with less overhead bits. This is what i think they are doing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wow, there must be something wrong with your cooling... My system runs at 52C max, at full load. Usually, it hovers at around 45C. Might wanna check your heatsinks, etc... But then if you don't have any stability problems, then it doesn't really matter.
Well, just keep in mind that it takes energy to convert heat back to energy. Perhaps you do get an extra hour of use out of your laptop or an extra few miles out of a gallon of gas, but energy usage will be higher in the end. So in terms of using this technology to save energy, it is pointless. Sure, locally, everything can run more efficiently, but also keep in mind that now it will take more energy to produce your 'efficient' product.
But ultimately, I am for this technology. As long as we can manage energy usage and manage the waste products such as nuclear wast and heat (send them to an alien civilization), i'm all for it.
Yep. The amount of energy involved in developing this technology, and the energy used to manufacture the devices will, in the end, most likely use up more energy than the amount it saves. Very pointless in fighting entropy.
For obvious reasons, it would be in the best interest of both MCI and Verizon to negotiate the bandwidth usage in this case. Therefore this will not be a real problem even without a central authority allocating the bandwidth. And of course the loser here would be the third-party devices using the same frequencies...
Well, when I go to a crowded place, every kid I see *has* a cell phone here in the U.S. The main reason is because 'it is cool' for them to have a cell phone. Guess if they don't, they will be considered 'antisocial'. But do they really need it? Not really.
Personally I do not own a cell phone, because most of the time, there's a phone where I am. At home... at work... or hanging out with my friends (they have cell phones). So I don't really need one myself...
Using the % of youth having cell phones as a measure of technological advancedment is pretty inaccurate. Perhaps the percentage is so high in your country because it lacked a real infrastructure...
Slashdot is CmdrTaco's site, and he or the other editors can post whatever they want on it. You have no say. This is a dictatorship.
No matter what the reparation MS makes, it will not change the current situation. Sure, they could use Redhat's suggestion of reparation. But I think what will happen is that people will eventually go out and buy Windows XP to replace Redhat. Only when Sun, BeOS, and other OS producing companies actually get on their asses and start to produce a superior OS, and market it aggressively, would things change. Has the slashdot community noticed, Windows (2k/XP) is the only non-unix-based OS out there? The rest of the world should get on with unix... it's a 30+ year old technology that seriously needs to be updated. Win2k and XP are superior OSes for the average consumer. It has an excellent GUI, easy to use, stable, fast, and large libraries of drivers supporting a large variety of hardware, not to mention huge software library as well.
The case against MS is outdated. It used to be the case that MS used unfair business tactics to sell an inferior OS (Win 3.1, Win95, etc.) That is no longer the case. (perhaps they're not using unfair tactics to sell a superior OS.) But why would tons of ppl rush to buy WinXP? MS is a monopoly because the market choose to let it be. Has MS sabotaged say.. Sun's ability to develop Solaris? No. I think Sun sabotaged themselves by basing Solaris on unix, a dead-end technology. Sun should spend more resources and come up with their own OS, something from scratch, maybe.
Yes, the United States Armed Forces is a terrorist organization. They must have killed or injured more innocent people in Afghanistan since 9/11 than the 9/11 WTC event. We are also the only country in the world to actually use a nuclear weapon. and 2 fucking times! Talk about hypocrisies! Gee, I wonder why the Mideast countries hate us so much.
Yes, we may respect human rights, but only the humans within the country. This country does not respect the human rights of other humans on this planet.
You mean 50 years... But anyway, it is never too late to catch up. No matter how far behind you are.
If you are interested in sharing a single set of keyboard and mouse (but not the display) between 2 computers, check out x2x.
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Some karma whore can post the link to it
> Via may in fact be working on a new chip, but one must make money in the mean time.
This 'P4 Clone' would in fact be that new chip. But they are calling it a 'P4 Clone' to take advantage of what Intel has already done to market the P4.
Just because they call it a 'clone' doesn't mean that it has to be reverse engineered or have very similar microarchitectural features internally.... Afterall, whatever we call these CPUs, they are simply names, and you can call any design any name you want...
> By then Intel might be up to the Pentium 5 or 6! Why bother?
Even if they called it Pentium 5 or 6, my guess is that it will still be the same core as the P4, just with a better process, and perhaps added instructions... sort of like the Pentium Pros, Pentium IIs Klamaths, and Pentium IIIs Katmai, Coppermine.. I know I am missing a bunch of them variations of the P6 die.
VIA has been making x86 chips for a while... I would expect them to have a license of this sort as well... so what is the trouble then?
If anyone can (legally) make a x86 compatible processor nowadays, whats wrong with making one that will simply fit into a P4 socket? VIA can simply claim its a P4-clone and package a die of their own design. And I think that is what they're doing since it was mentioned in the article on The Register that there are 18 pipe stages in VIA's design.. and if I recall correctly, the P4 has greater than 20 pipeline stages.
I don't ever recall AMD getting sued for making those Super 7 K6-2s and K6-3s CPUs.
Do you know what a chipset is? Lets just set it straight, a chipset is not a processor. You obviously thinks PA-RISC chips are server-chipset. What an idiot.
From the article:
"HP transferred an entire server-chipset group there en masse in exchange for undisclosed considerations."
How did Slashdot ended up with this title: "Intel Gets PA-RISC Engineers" ????????????
The article clearly says 'server-chipset group', not 'PA-RISC group'
You forgot reliability, which is the most important thing in the embedded market.
Actually, for the same amount of performance, a P4 dissipates more heat than a P3. So in terms of amount of electricity used, a P4 uses more... not to mention a P4 costs more than a P3. So the one-time cost and the recurring cost of a P4 are both higher than that of a P3. So in conclusion, a P4 has a lower performance/cost ratio (or at the same performance, higher cost).
Now that the performance is the same, which chip would you buy? (not to mention you have to buy Rambus ram, yaddy yaddy yadda... so you get the picture...)
One addition to the operational costs: older machines (esp. 486s and early Pentiums) runs HOT! They are not as power efficient as some of the newer chips in terms of performance/power usage ratio. So if you take into account the amount of electricity sucked up by these little machines over its life span, you will probably want to trash your old systems and buy a new one (not P4s though!)
Asustek already manufactures GeForce3 video cards, whether it is manufactured in China or not, I do not know... but I've never heard of any similar news of the US government urging nVidia not to liscence or sell their chips to Asustek. I think I can safely say that the GeForce3 is more powerful than Sony's Emotion Engine.
There is a threshold of quality that people look for. I think I can safely say that the $100 40GB IDE HD meets most people's requirements. SCSI, Fibre Channel, 1394, or Infiniband HDs are only marginally better than an IDE for disproportionally higher prices. Of course for those with only performance in mind, thats the obvious choice. But for the masses, IDE rules.
A Yugo does not meet most people's standards of quality or driving it would ruin their reputation, so its not a good comparison at all. Even comparing a $20k Honda vs. a $60k BMW is not exactly the same. You just can't make a good analogy using cars.
As for your argument of higher reliability of Infiniband or SCSI or Fibre Channel (which is SCSI underneath), the only real way of improving reliability with hard drives is with redundancy, aka RAID. Most of the hard drives are the same underneath, spinning disc(s) with a read/write head. The difference between a typical SCSI and a typical IDE is relly only the interface, and perhaps the RPM, with SCSI more likely to be higher in RPM, which means it is actually less reliable.
Would you pay $300 for a 40GB Infiniband HD or $100 for a 40GB IDE HD?
The English language is a standard.
Sure it is a standard, but there is not just one standard English language. Different localities have its own 'standards'. It is not an API, but a protocol. As long as both parties agree to a certain protocol (perhaps even slighly different, but compatible), communication can be achieved. Calling one that does not speak your protocol 'stupid' is ignorant, self-centered, and racist.
Teach them how to play games...
And for those naturally interested... it will drive them to learn the rest themselves. It is what drove me to learn more about computers... setting up the sound cards, video cards..., resolving IRQ conflicts... and then eventually learning to install new hardware... and then of course programming and then computer engineering all that was driven by the urge to play games. And I plan to become a game developer soon.
For the rest who aren't interested in computers... teach them word processing (and how to type, etc), so at least they will have that skill when they go out to work.