hey thats true!
I think that we should join together and find more people like us so that we can form a group. Then we should try and change the world by getting everybody else who isn't as intelligent as us to come round to our way of thinking!
yes, its a shame. I came to slashdot after heaing about its support for open source, gnu, linux, etc... and thinking that they would be open minded. but most people here are pretty elitist, and just as close minded about things as people on the other side of the fence. as a result any forward thinking expressed in the comments is moded out of view so that you cant "infect" other readers with your lateral thinking.
Well, as I said, it is a question of trust. You have the view that politicians are idiots. I don't think this and I feel that it is incredibly unfair, and unrealistic. The press does its best to portray politicians as idiots, and I am pretty sure this is where this view comes from. Overall I trust my politicians, I think that for the most part, they are trying to help the nation, and the world, yes sometimes they go about it incorrectly, but that is just a matter of opinion. I don't think that the same can be said of the private sector. Esso, Microsoft, Nike... these companies have a lot of power, are completely unelected, and have behaved in an extremely unethical manner. I don't trust the people running these companies as far as I can throw them.
I think that government can extend their reach beyond management, it is a good thing. I think that they can do things better and safer than the private sector, and it is certainly more democratic that way.
Governments outsource plenty, and have for a very long time.
This is true, however weather it is sensible I'm not so sure. All comes down to trust in the end, do you trust the private sector with all your details? And do you trust them to behave ethically when the inevitable conflicts of interests occur? I personally do not, and would nationalise everything that could be, banks, land, public transport, etc... but that's just me.
I hope that that is sarcastic! Look at how well the private company contracted to organise and mark SATs did, they have now abolished them at KS3 because they f**ked it up so badly. I wish the government could learn that its far more sensible to do the job properly yourself than paying the private sector to do it.
Thats an awesome post! I wouldn't completely agree that nicotine
provides no real pleasurable gain
When I used to smoke I certainly found it to have a significant pleasurable gain, even before I became addicted.
Another good comparison between these drugs and soft illegal drugs is their contribution to crime. Illegal drugs contribute to crime a lot more legal drugs (obviously ignoring the crime of taking/possessing the drug) and the reasons for this are obvious. When buying illegal drugs you involve yourself in a crime circle. You become addicted, you need to get more, because of your addiction you cant hold down a job, and you have to make money through crime. If the state sells drugs legally then the dealers are automatically out of business. The large amount of taxes that will be charged on the drug will go to the health service and deal with the possible health problems created by the drug, you know who all the users are, and you know how much they are taking.
heh, classic. Yes, it did take me a long time of prep to say such a thing, but I think they have warranted it. I wonder what their motivation is? Pure experience or actual belief that the RIAA is in the wrong?
Actually windows can automatically configure extra non-standard buttons as standard now. Has done for a while I believe.
I'm currently running vista with no extra drivers for my logitech G5 mouse and all the extra buttons are functioning fine.
Yes, this is true. It is strange to describe the independent schools as "public" but the names comes from when they were the only education system in the UK, so it is kind of taken out of context.
Actually independent schools aren't strictly public schools, it all gets a bit complicated, but you get my drift.
Well, here I was, sobbing, thinking that Marxism and socialism were still in decline, relieved to see it resurrected in the UK and USA (yes, I know!) governments dealing with this financial crisis.
And now, a long time since her demise, you are quoting me Thatcher:
"you talk about "society" like it's a physical entity, it's not. Society is nothing but the sum total of all the individuals within it."
Well well, anyway.
OK, Marxism and socialism are not fascist, and you are going to have a hard time convincing most people of that, and you are certainly not going to fool me! Just because they are all authoritarian, does not mean that they are the same. There are many other aspects of politics. Take Hitler, probably the most famous of the fascist heads of state. Lets look at his views on racism: hmm, no, there are definitely stark differences between his view and that of Marx. Fascism believes in corporatism: hmm, no definitely not what Marx was going on about.
If something is bad for an individual, it is not necessarily bad for society. I surly don't have to give an example of this, it should be plainly obvious to you why this is. And every law is passed on the sole basis of belief. I can argue that killing someone is a perfectly OK thing to do, and most people believe that it is wrong, therefore it is banned.
I am going to start talking about society here again, so you are just going to have to open your mind and try to imagine that there are other people in the world other than yourself.
Someone, state educated, gets ABB in their A-levels, a perfectly respectable grade. They apply to university (or employment) and find that all the places that their intellect is suited for have been taken by lots of publicly educated people of lower intellect that them, that have managed to achieve AAA in their A-levels because they have been rigorously tutored for the exam (yes, you get inflated grades when you go to a private school, you don't become more intelligent or even necessarily more knowledgeable, some of the more sensible universities are realising this now).
This harms society because that person who would have done the job better is denied to opportunity to help.
OK. If you send your kids to public school, you are inflating their grades compared to state educated children (this is unarguable, even the sensible universities are agreed that public school children have inflated grades, usually by about 1 grade) so they achieve higher grades that what they should be capable of, because they have been rigorously tutored through their exams. This means that good places at universities are granted to your children instead of the their state educated peers who may be better than them.
I do feel sorry about your bad experience with state education and I do understand that in certain areas it is hard to "make it" in a state school. How long ago was your experience? and where?
My experience with state education has been fantastic. My maths teacher was a doctor of particle physics from Cambridge, and also did work at Fermilab and was a fantastic teacher. My physics and electronics teachers were both ex engineers with qualifications from Sussex and Southampton(very good for engineering), and were both ecstatic about their subjects and cared very deeply how well I did in my education. My mentor was kind and supportive and the whole six form team were right behind you all the way.
I would suggest that things have moved on from the time of your experiences, and it is my strong belief that the greater the use of state education, the faster the progression of our society.
The latter is just authoritarian. You can call me a fascist if you want, however there is a fucking big leap to be made. Yes fascism does oppose individualism, however so do many other movements that are opposed to fascism.
You cannot argue that a sensible society really respects the right of the individual. The twat down the street cant do whatever he likes with his machete. You are required to wear a seat belt in a car, you are not allowed to exceed the speed limit, you are not allowed to drink drive (hmm, a lot of motoring examples here, oh well), you are not allowed to deal people restricted substances and you are not allowed to urinate in the street. These are all sensible rules and are not individualist.
OK, what makes your system fair? What have a rich persons children done to grant them the right to get an unfair advantage on the rest of the population? How does that solve societies problems?
Ah I see. So my view of the "just" world is twisted. That explains a lot! I thought I was surrounded by a bunch of immoral, closed minded pigs!
Yes, I don't think that fascist really fits that sentence particularly well. Communist or Marxist may have suited your needs batter.
OK, so this country should be run on a purely individualist basis? Is that really sensible? Or are you striving for an anarchistic state?
OK, I'd like you to sign under:
"I am willing to let the rich poor divide of our nation increase exponentially by denying poor people a fair chance and I am a horrible, horrible person."
As much as I agree that my "friend" (yes the quotes are definitely required, thank you!) was not a typical example of publicly educated people, I do believe (and I have been on various scholarship courses where I was the only state educated person out of a group of 60! as everybody else managed to put together enough cash to get in) that the overall population does lean that way. There is no indication that there are more people teaching in private schools that are industry standard. In fact there is data to suggest that there is a higher percentage of ex-industry personnel teaching in state schools. Probably because they have made their money and they want to give something back.
Am I going to spend precious moments of my time to satisfy people checking grammar in/. commentsâ½â½â½â½ How sad are you that you spend your life correcting peoples hurriedly written comments on/.? God!
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hey thats true!
I think that we should join together and find more people like us so that we can form a group. Then we should try and change the world by getting everybody else who isn't as intelligent as us to come round to our way of thinking!
yes, its a shame. I came to slashdot after heaing about its support for open source, gnu, linux, etc... and thinking that they would be open minded. but most people here are pretty elitist, and just as close minded about things as people on the other side of the fence. as a result any forward thinking expressed in the comments is moded out of view so that you cant "infect" other readers with your lateral thinking.
Well, as I said, it is a question of trust. You have the view that politicians are idiots. I don't think this and I feel that it is incredibly unfair, and unrealistic. The press does its best to portray politicians as idiots, and I am pretty sure this is where this view comes from. Overall I trust my politicians, I think that for the most part, they are trying to help the nation, and the world, yes sometimes they go about it incorrectly, but that is just a matter of opinion. I don't think that the same can be said of the private sector. Esso, Microsoft, Nike... these companies have a lot of power, are completely unelected, and have behaved in an extremely unethical manner. I don't trust the people running these companies as far as I can throw them.
I think that government can extend their reach beyond management, it is a good thing. I think that they can do things better and safer than the private sector, and it is certainly more democratic that way.
Governments outsource plenty, and have for a very long time.
This is true, however weather it is sensible I'm not so sure. All comes down to trust in the end, do you trust the private sector with all your details? And do you trust them to behave ethically when the inevitable conflicts of interests occur?
I personally do not, and would nationalise everything that could be, banks, land, public transport, etc... but that's just me.
I hope that that is sarcastic!
Look at how well the private company contracted to organise and mark SATs did, they have now abolished them at KS3 because they f**ked it up so badly.
I wish the government could learn that its far more sensible to do the job properly yourself than paying the private sector to do it.
I don't follow [current topic], but here's my story...
...go away!
wow, you got trolled
Thats an awesome post!
I wouldn't completely agree that nicotine
provides no real pleasurable gain
When I used to smoke I certainly found it to have a significant pleasurable gain, even before I became addicted.
Another good comparison between these drugs and soft illegal drugs is their contribution to crime. Illegal drugs contribute to crime a lot more legal drugs (obviously ignoring the crime of taking/possessing the drug) and the reasons for this are obvious. When buying illegal drugs you involve yourself in a crime circle. You become addicted, you need to get more, because of your addiction you cant hold down a job, and you have to make money through crime.
If the state sells drugs legally then the dealers are automatically out of business. The large amount of taxes that will be charged on the drug will go to the health service and deal with the possible health problems created by the drug, you know who all the users are, and you know how much they are taking.
not now jerry
Why have I been informed of this? why is anybody interested? leave the poor guy alone!
heh, classic. Yes, it did take me a long time of prep to say such a thing, but I think they have warranted it. I wonder what their motivation is? Pure experience or actual belief that the RIAA is in the wrong?
Seemed to imply that, dunno maybe I read it wrong, we need a law student to clear things up.
Ha, yeah but good has to start from somewhere.
We need more of this to happen! See, not all lawyers are bad.
Actually windows can automatically configure extra non-standard buttons as standard now. Has done for a while I believe.
I'm currently running vista with no extra drivers for my logitech G5 mouse and all the extra buttons are functioning fine.
Yes, this is true. It is strange to describe the independent schools as "public" but the names comes from when they were the only education system in the UK, so it is kind of taken out of context.
Actually independent schools aren't strictly public schools, it all gets a bit complicated, but you get my drift.
And now, a long time since her demise, you are quoting me Thatcher:
"you talk about "society" like it's a physical entity, it's not. Society is nothing but the sum total of all the individuals within it."
Well well, anyway.
OK, Marxism and socialism are not fascist, and you are going to have a hard time convincing most people of that, and you are certainly not going to fool me! Just because they are all authoritarian, does not mean that they are the same. There are many other aspects of politics. Take Hitler, probably the most famous of the fascist heads of state. Lets look at his views on racism: hmm, no, there are definitely stark differences between his view and that of Marx. Fascism believes in corporatism: hmm, no definitely not what Marx was going on about.
If something is bad for an individual, it is not necessarily bad for society. I surly don't have to give an example of this, it should be plainly obvious to you why this is. And every law is passed on the sole basis of belief. I can argue that killing someone is a perfectly OK thing to do, and most people believe that it is wrong, therefore it is banned.
I am going to start talking about society here again, so you are just going to have to open your mind and try to imagine that there are other people in the world other than yourself.
Someone, state educated, gets ABB in their A-levels, a perfectly respectable grade. They apply to university (or employment) and find that all the places that their intellect is suited for have been taken by lots of publicly educated people of lower intellect that them, that have managed to achieve AAA in their A-levels because they have been rigorously tutored for the exam (yes, you get inflated grades when you go to a private school, you don't become more intelligent or even necessarily more knowledgeable, some of the more sensible universities are realising this now).
This harms society because that person who would have done the job better is denied to opportunity to help.
OK. If you send your kids to public school, you are inflating their grades compared to state educated children (this is unarguable, even the sensible universities are agreed that public school children have inflated grades, usually by about 1 grade) so they achieve higher grades that what they should be capable of, because they have been rigorously tutored through their exams. This means that good places at universities are granted to your children instead of the their state educated peers who may be better than them.
I do feel sorry about your bad experience with state education and I do understand that in certain areas it is hard to "make it" in a state school. How long ago was your experience? and where?
My experience with state education has been fantastic. My maths teacher was a doctor of particle physics from Cambridge, and also did work at Fermilab and was a fantastic teacher. My physics and electronics teachers were both ex engineers with qualifications from Sussex and Southampton(very good for engineering), and were both ecstatic about their subjects and cared very deeply how well I did in my education. My mentor was kind and supportive and the whole six form team were right behind you all the way.
I would suggest that things have moved on from the time of your experiences, and it is my strong belief that the greater the use of state education, the faster the progression of our society.
The latter is just authoritarian. You can call me a fascist if you want, however there is a fucking big leap to be made. Yes fascism does oppose individualism, however so do many other movements that are opposed to fascism.
You cannot argue that a sensible society really respects the right of the individual. The twat down the street cant do whatever he likes with his machete. You are required to wear a seat belt in a car, you are not allowed to exceed the speed limit, you are not allowed to drink drive (hmm, a lot of motoring examples here, oh well), you are not allowed to deal people restricted substances and you are not allowed to urinate in the street. These are all sensible rules and are not individualist.
OK, what makes your system fair? What have a rich persons children done to grant them the right to get an unfair advantage on the rest of the population? How does that solve societies problems?
Ah I see. So my view of the "just" world is twisted. That explains a lot! I thought I was surrounded by a bunch of immoral, closed minded pigs! Yes, I don't think that fascist really fits that sentence particularly well. Communist or Marxist may have suited your needs batter. OK, so this country should be run on a purely individualist basis? Is that really sensible? Or are you striving for an anarchistic state?
OK, I'd like you to sign under: "I am willing to let the rich poor divide of our nation increase exponentially by denying poor people a fair chance and I am a horrible, horrible person." As much as I agree that my "friend" (yes the quotes are definitely required, thank you!) was not a typical example of publicly educated people, I do believe (and I have been on various scholarship courses where I was the only state educated person out of a group of 60! as everybody else managed to put together enough cash to get in) that the overall population does lean that way. There is no indication that there are more people teaching in private schools that are industry standard. In fact there is data to suggest that there is a higher percentage of ex-industry personnel teaching in state schools. Probably because they have made their money and they want to give something back.
and your experience of recent teaching is? do you realise just how much work A-level students put in to get 4 As?
Am I going to spend precious moments of my time to satisfy people checking grammar in /. commentsâ½â½â½â½ How sad are you that you spend your life correcting peoples hurriedly written comments on /.? God!