Ok, it's available from "getdeb". But where do I get it for plain Debian Stable (Lenny), or where do I get the.diff.gz and.dsc files to compile them myself?
Hi,
We have an account at broadvoice.com for our incoming calls for the company, which is cool: we get unlimited calls to 35 countries, land line phones. Well, to be exact, it's un-metered, not really unlimited because there's still a hard limit, but let's say it's a lot more than what you'll be able to use. Then, as it still had pretty high rates for mobiles and others, we used some pre-paid accounts at voipian.com (with an amazing 6 euro cents per minutes to call my friends, family and work relatives in France: try to beat that!) and pennytel.com. Both were proven to have a really clear sound when calling the destinations we use often. The issue was that, with 3 providers, we needed to select all the time the cheapest one. And that's where open source comes handy.
As we had 3 providers, we have setup FreeSwitch, which is, to what I could see, a WAY better than Asterisk. In fact, it was written by a former Aterisk contributor. And my colleague at GPLHost, has setup LCR. LCR? What's that? LEAST COST ROUTING! Yes, we have inserted all the prices in the server, plus it fetches all currency conversions rates each day with a cron, and the server does the work of selecting the cheapest provider depending on the extension that we are calling!!!
Not forgetting to say, there's also some Skype to SIP gateways, so if you find Skype cheaper than the above (I'd really don't think you would, but anyway...), then you can still use Skype for outgoing (and incoming). But it's REALLY annoying to have to use a silly protocol, and hacks, so it's not worth it.
Now, I have read so many times people are using Skype to Skype. WHY would you do that? Using any SIP software, without even a phone server you can call each other, without the heavy cost of using a proprietary software that crashes and all. I hate Skype as much as they hate Linux. Somebody has to explain to me why they still offer a Skype version for Etch and Ubuntu 7 only on their website, and that I had to search over and over to finally find a buggy version for Ubuntu 64 bits that half fits my Lenny desktop. Is it THAT HARD to recompile? Don't they do enough money to buy themselves a Xen server to be able to compile on few VMs? I think they just don't care.
If you did mind reading the link posted in the news, you would have read that "A recent study by market researcher TeleGeography found Skype carried about 8 per cent of all international voice traffic, making it the worldâ(TM)s largest provider of cross-border voice communications.". 8% of all international calls is quite a lot of money, and that makes it a deal that might have been quite good. Plus frankly, since we use SIP and have managed to find some REAL CHEAP providers, I can tell that Skype is EXPENSIVE.
I agree that HDD is the best solution. But as for the software, dirvish has our preference: it does nice incremental rsync backups over ssh, using hardlinks for files that are identical. It also warns you when a backup fails.
That is IT! Finally, even if you don't want to admit it, you do agree, you have just admit it. You talked about PROFESSIONAL usage of Photoshop, CAD, etc. Reality, is that you have to be a SPECIALIST to have these needs, and for the most majority of users, you don't.
That is exactly one of the reasons that make me hate RedHat. What they do is NOT Free as freedom, as they charge for the software itself, and not for distributing it. This is the very reason why CentOS exists. Read the DFSG and you might understand why so many insist on full freedom, not just open source. Read the 3 free tests (dissident, desert island, tentacle of evil) that every single application in Debian has to pass to get in.
Now you DID pretend that there was no alternative. This is plain wrong. Now you are changing your mind, saying that the alternative are LESS good (in every single area mentioned). That's a hell of a difference. For most, the alternatives are enough, and this is my very point. I never pretended that GIMP is better than Photoshop, in fact, I believe the opposite. But I, at the same time, believe that the vast majority don't need at all a full photoshop, and that GIMP is enough (and only to take this example, of course I think about it in general). This is why I said that unless you have professional needs, you don't need the software you mentioned.
But most importantly, all these FREE software are available NOW, on all platforms, including ARM. And this is why I wrote: who needs Android, when we have all apps available NOW? Who needs to wait even one month or one year more that people build very limited apps when we have all this available for all processors? Also, why would I change my habits, and have different software on my phone, netbook, and workstation when it can all be the SAME software? I don't want to spend my time searching for unknown apps... That is counter productive. I want the one that I'm already used to, working everywhere. That is: pidgin, open office, firefox, thunderbird, etc. No need to reinvent everything.
Also, having all my life stored on google servers, thanks... but no thanks. I don't trust big corps, I don't use Facebook, Gmail, Hotmail and all this. And you know what? I wish that there was some alternatives for chat networks, because I hate the fact that everybody uses MSN / Yahoo / Gtalk / etc.
If you don't mind all what I said above, don't care for your freedom and privacy, trust big corps, or paying for apps that are already in the public domain, then go for your silly choice. NEVER, I will make that one, I had enough of it already, forced by other users like you.
Well man... You are using Ubuntu, so what do you expect, considering the release cycle (eg: taking all apps from SID without having a look at the BTS)? Ubuntu = Debian + bugs added (and rarely so important so called latest versions and features)... Ubuntu is LACKING BEHIND, no leading the way.
COME ON! The pain here is SKYPE itself. The Linux version of Skype has always brought pain. Poor sound API support, bad video support (I still can't have my webcam working on a 64 bits system, WHY???), and all sorts of issues. Don't take the worst APP of the Linux desktop as an example, PLEASE !!!
Oh, also, WHY on the Skype website, I can see downloads for Debian Etch 32 bits, and nothing for Lenny 32 or 64 bits? Why did I have to spend half a day searching for the Ubuntu 64 bits version that just approximatively seem to be working on my 64 bits Lenny laptop? It's of really no surprise that you also had tons of other issues with sound, considering what I just wrote. These guys simply don't care about the Linux version, take it for granted.
Thomas
WHAT??? I can't believe what I just read. SELL GPL SOFTWARE? Are you nuts?
Your iPod thing is just a dumb argument. People that buy an iPod later needs to use a stupid iPod software because in the first place, they decided to use a proprietary system that can't even show the files when you plug-in a USB wire. It's their call, and there's no way we'll ever be able to convince these guys to move to Free software: they like their choice of using proprietary stuff.
Now, you are again swearing with your proprietary software names. I can as well: gnu-cash, k3b, vlc, gimp. Does it make any difference? No, as you don't want to see the evidence: the alternative exist, you just don't like it.
Now what you think people like in the "app stores" is just the ability to actually install any kind of app without too much issues (few clicks, done). NOT buying them. This is a non-sense.
Can we MOVE ON to another topic, as it's obvious that we wont ever agree?
Tsss... Why would something important FOR YOU be the rule for everyone, and then I'm the one that is wrong? Sorry man, I have a different view on it, even if you don't like it.
I have stopped using windows completely few years ago, and I DON'T MISS A SINGLE PIECE OF SOFTWARE. And you know what? I'm not the only one in this case. So, FOSS is not good FOR YOU that need advanced CAD, movie editions and games. I really don't think that the majority of users have these needs. If you don't understand my point, be it, move on...
Plus you miss the point of the thread: it's about PORTABLE devices. Are you really willing to say that CAD, movie edition and games are mandatory to have a good portable device platform? If yes, then that's really bullshit. Especially that I don't think there is Adobe premier or any kind of CAD app for Android or WindowsCE, or even any other embedded OS. Sure, there are plenty of stupid silly games that have nothing to do with the one on the big platforms, but WHO CARES? Certainly not the big majority.
Wow! What an argument... If it's a Best Buy, then...
Never the less, I, like many I suppose, will never have the use of a CAD software. However, there is still qcad available NOW in Lenny: "With QCad 2 you can easily construct and change drawings with ISO-texts and many other features and save them as DXF-files. These DXF-files are the interface to many CAD-systems such as AutoCADR and many others.". I never used it, so I can't tell you if it's any good, but the description seems pretty solid. There's also kino and pitivi for movie edition.
Now about GPS navigation system, the issue here is the copyright of the navigable maps. These are pretty expensive, and unless somebody decide to invest millions to release them for free, this is not going to change. However, the software itself can be free, it is still useless.
Now, frankly, who cares about stupid games? Not me at least, I have other stuffs to do...
All the above are VERY specialized applications. It's all but for everyone. So many people don't even know what it is about, or even saw this kind of application. Also, do you see them running on a mobile device? Not relevant at all...
Thomas
The post above is really stupid. How can you dare to write that "FOSS has yet to produce great software that fills every need"? This is just bullshit. I use my laptop every day using Debian, and it has ALL of what I need, from beginning to end. And YES, I do want to use a DISTRIBUTION, with all what it means: packaging, bug tracking, package quality checks, security review and updates. I never asked the author to do the packaging work, most do not and ever will. Have a look at the maintainer list in Debian, and see that it has nothing to do with the "upstream" list.
There is ZERO, (read me, I insist) absolutely ZERO advantage of an app store over a package repository. You are just making assumption over what you can SEE RIGHT NOW, and not even trying to imagine what would happen with a real open standard (not a fake open standard with a proprietary Android store hosted on a private network...).
Really, the early success of netbooks loaded with Ubuntu showed clearly that there is no real need for Android. Now, there's going to be netbooks with ARM. GREAT, this is the time to demonstrate (if only it was needed) that Linux is portable, and that distributions like Debian can run perfectly on ARM chips. There WILL be some players in the industry that will understand it, sooner or later. I knew there will be a time where DFSG free OS would start becoming popular just because of the fact it can fit any hardware. It's great if it's demonstrated by using them on cheaper netbooks.
The recent story about HyperVM security holes teaches that code reviews can be a question of life and death. See the story on the register and maybe you will understand... Sad...
Ahahahahah !!! After watching the video, I got it. The middle word is "your"...:) Very funny video if you get to understand a bit of Chinese... Definitely, the original poster didn't get it. I have reread what he wrote, he said "it starts with mother". Quite the opposite way... FYM is quite ENDING with mother my friend.
Something the author of the first post seems to not have understand, is that "grass" and "fuck" is spelled the same way (eg: cao in pinying) but said with a different accent (the falling one means fuck). Same goes with "ma" that can mean mother or horse. I am really not sure about "mud" because I don't know what chinese word we are talking about here, but maybe someone can explain ?
Where did you see exactly that "Capitalism works"? Half of the earth wealth in the hands of a hundred, while half of the earth is starving, you call that a success? Come on, open your eyes and face the reality: you are comfortably setup in your cozy home writing this, while the vast majority doesn't have the basic survival kit.
+1 !!! I am also one of the guys very annoyed by people writing here "the Government" and "the country" and the like. Especially: even though I'm not a native of it, I live in the most populated country in the world (China, to name it), and the 300M compared to the 1.6T seems quite ridiculous. "the country" should NOT be USA.
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Are you dumb or just dumb? Or maybe is it that you can't read?
.orig.tar.gz, a .dsc and a .diff.gz. That is 3 files, not 1 tar.bz2...
I am talking about the DEBIAN source package, made out of a
In USA, I don't know, but in EU, it's considered and registered as bank already.
Ok, it's available from "getdeb". But where do I get it for plain Debian Stable (Lenny), or where do I get the .diff.gz and .dsc files to compile them myself?
When I was a teen, about 15 years ago, I was also listening to streams. But at the time, it was called ... FM radio!
Hi,
We have an account at broadvoice.com for our incoming calls for the company, which is cool: we get unlimited calls to 35 countries, land line phones. Well, to be exact, it's un-metered, not really unlimited because there's still a hard limit, but let's say it's a lot more than what you'll be able to use. Then, as it still had pretty high rates for mobiles and others, we used some pre-paid accounts at voipian.com (with an amazing 6 euro cents per minutes to call my friends, family and work relatives in France: try to beat that!) and pennytel.com. Both were proven to have a really clear sound when calling the destinations we use often. The issue was that, with 3 providers, we needed to select all the time the cheapest one. And that's where open source comes handy.
As we had 3 providers, we have setup FreeSwitch, which is, to what I could see, a WAY better than Asterisk. In fact, it was written by a former Aterisk contributor. And my colleague at GPLHost, has setup LCR. LCR? What's that? LEAST COST ROUTING! Yes, we have inserted all the prices in the server, plus it fetches all currency conversions rates each day with a cron, and the server does the work of selecting the cheapest provider depending on the extension that we are calling!!!
Not forgetting to say, there's also some Skype to SIP gateways, so if you find Skype cheaper than the above (I'd really don't think you would, but anyway...), then you can still use Skype for outgoing (and incoming). But it's REALLY annoying to have to use a silly protocol, and hacks, so it's not worth it.
Now, I have read so many times people are using Skype to Skype. WHY would you do that? Using any SIP software, without even a phone server you can call each other, without the heavy cost of using a proprietary software that crashes and all. I hate Skype as much as they hate Linux. Somebody has to explain to me why they still offer a Skype version for Etch and Ubuntu 7 only on their website, and that I had to search over and over to finally find a buggy version for Ubuntu 64 bits that half fits my Lenny desktop. Is it THAT HARD to recompile? Don't they do enough money to buy themselves a Xen server to be able to compile on few VMs? I think they just don't care.
If you did mind reading the link posted in the news, you would have read that "A recent study by market researcher TeleGeography found Skype carried about 8 per cent of all international voice traffic, making it the worldâ(TM)s largest provider of cross-border voice communications.". 8% of all international calls is quite a lot of money, and that makes it a deal that might have been quite good. Plus frankly, since we use SIP and have managed to find some REAL CHEAP providers, I can tell that Skype is EXPENSIVE.
I agree that HDD is the best solution. But as for the software, dirvish has our preference: it does nice incremental rsync backups over ssh, using hardlinks for files that are identical. It also warns you when a backup fails.
I had enough of this, I'm not replying. BTW, your signature should warned me that you deserve a godwin point for each of your post...
That is IT! Finally, even if you don't want to admit it, you do agree, you have just admit it. You talked about PROFESSIONAL usage of Photoshop, CAD, etc. Reality, is that you have to be a SPECIALIST to have these needs, and for the most majority of users, you don't.
That is exactly one of the reasons that make me hate RedHat. What they do is NOT Free as freedom, as they charge for the software itself, and not for distributing it. This is the very reason why CentOS exists. Read the DFSG and you might understand why so many insist on full freedom, not just open source. Read the 3 free tests (dissident, desert island, tentacle of evil) that every single application in Debian has to pass to get in. ... but no thanks. I don't trust big corps, I don't use Facebook, Gmail, Hotmail and all this. And you know what? I wish that there was some alternatives for chat networks, because I hate the fact that everybody uses MSN / Yahoo / Gtalk / etc.
Now you DID pretend that there was no alternative. This is plain wrong. Now you are changing your mind, saying that the alternative are LESS good (in every single area mentioned). That's a hell of a difference. For most, the alternatives are enough, and this is my very point. I never pretended that GIMP is better than Photoshop, in fact, I believe the opposite. But I, at the same time, believe that the vast majority don't need at all a full photoshop, and that GIMP is enough (and only to take this example, of course I think about it in general). This is why I said that unless you have professional needs, you don't need the software you mentioned.
But most importantly, all these FREE software are available NOW, on all platforms, including ARM. And this is why I wrote: who needs Android, when we have all apps available NOW? Who needs to wait even one month or one year more that people build very limited apps when we have all this available for all processors? Also, why would I change my habits, and have different software on my phone, netbook, and workstation when it can all be the SAME software? I don't want to spend my time searching for unknown apps... That is counter productive. I want the one that I'm already used to, working everywhere. That is: pidgin, open office, firefox, thunderbird, etc. No need to reinvent everything.
Also, having all my life stored on google servers, thanks
If you don't mind all what I said above, don't care for your freedom and privacy, trust big corps, or paying for apps that are already in the public domain, then go for your silly choice. NEVER, I will make that one, I had enough of it already, forced by other users like you.
Seems that you never heard about Audacious, which is a fork, and that now a lot of people use.
Well man... You are using Ubuntu, so what do you expect, considering the release cycle (eg: taking all apps from SID without having a look at the BTS)? Ubuntu = Debian + bugs added (and rarely so important so called latest versions and features)... Ubuntu is LACKING BEHIND, no leading the way.
COME ON! The pain here is SKYPE itself. The Linux version of Skype has always brought pain. Poor sound API support, bad video support (I still can't have my webcam working on a 64 bits system, WHY???), and all sorts of issues. Don't take the worst APP of the Linux desktop as an example, PLEASE !!!
Oh, also, WHY on the Skype website, I can see downloads for Debian Etch 32 bits, and nothing for Lenny 32 or 64 bits? Why did I have to spend half a day searching for the Ubuntu 64 bits version that just approximatively seem to be working on my 64 bits Lenny laptop? It's of really no surprise that you also had tons of other issues with sound, considering what I just wrote. These guys simply don't care about the Linux version, take it for granted.
Thomas
Does such thing as a "microsoft fanboy" exist (still)???
WHAT??? I can't believe what I just read. SELL GPL SOFTWARE? Are you nuts?
Your iPod thing is just a dumb argument. People that buy an iPod later needs to use a stupid iPod software because in the first place, they decided to use a proprietary system that can't even show the files when you plug-in a USB wire. It's their call, and there's no way we'll ever be able to convince these guys to move to Free software: they like their choice of using proprietary stuff.
Now, you are again swearing with your proprietary software names. I can as well: gnu-cash, k3b, vlc, gimp. Does it make any difference? No, as you don't want to see the evidence: the alternative exist, you just don't like it.
Now what you think people like in the "app stores" is just the ability to actually install any kind of app without too much issues (few clicks, done). NOT buying them. This is a non-sense.
Can we MOVE ON to another topic, as it's obvious that we wont ever agree?
Tsss... Why would something important FOR YOU be the rule for everyone, and then I'm the one that is wrong? Sorry man, I have a different view on it, even if you don't like it.
I have stopped using windows completely few years ago, and I DON'T MISS A SINGLE PIECE OF SOFTWARE. And you know what? I'm not the only one in this case. So, FOSS is not good FOR YOU that need advanced CAD, movie editions and games. I really don't think that the majority of users have these needs. If you don't understand my point, be it, move on...
Plus you miss the point of the thread: it's about PORTABLE devices. Are you really willing to say that CAD, movie edition and games are mandatory to have a good portable device platform? If yes, then that's really bullshit. Especially that I don't think there is Adobe premier or any kind of CAD app for Android or WindowsCE, or even any other embedded OS. Sure, there are plenty of stupid silly games that have nothing to do with the one on the big platforms, but WHO CARES? Certainly not the big majority.
Wow! What an argument ... If it's a Best Buy, then...
Never the less, I, like many I suppose, will never have the use of a CAD software. However, there is still qcad available NOW in Lenny: "With QCad 2 you can easily construct and change drawings with ISO-texts and many other features and save them as DXF-files. These DXF-files are the interface to many CAD-systems such as AutoCADR and many others.". I never used it, so I can't tell you if it's any good, but the description seems pretty solid. There's also kino and pitivi for movie edition.
Now about GPS navigation system, the issue here is the copyright of the navigable maps. These are pretty expensive, and unless somebody decide to invest millions to release them for free, this is not going to change. However, the software itself can be free, it is still useless.
Now, frankly, who cares about stupid games? Not me at least, I have other stuffs to do...
All the above are VERY specialized applications. It's all but for everyone. So many people don't even know what it is about, or even saw this kind of application. Also, do you see them running on a mobile device? Not relevant at all... Thomas
The post above is really stupid. How can you dare to write that "FOSS has yet to produce great software that fills every need"? This is just bullshit. I use my laptop every day using Debian, and it has ALL of what I need, from beginning to end. And YES, I do want to use a DISTRIBUTION, with all what it means: packaging, bug tracking, package quality checks, security review and updates. I never asked the author to do the packaging work, most do not and ever will. Have a look at the maintainer list in Debian, and see that it has nothing to do with the "upstream" list.
There is ZERO, (read me, I insist) absolutely ZERO advantage of an app store over a package repository. You are just making assumption over what you can SEE RIGHT NOW, and not even trying to imagine what would happen with a real open standard (not a fake open standard with a proprietary Android store hosted on a private network...).
Really, the early success of netbooks loaded with Ubuntu showed clearly that there is no real need for Android. Now, there's going to be netbooks with ARM. GREAT, this is the time to demonstrate (if only it was needed) that Linux is portable, and that distributions like Debian can run perfectly on ARM chips. There WILL be some players in the industry that will understand it, sooner or later. I knew there will be a time where DFSG free OS would start becoming popular just because of the fact it can fit any hardware. It's great if it's demonstrated by using them on cheaper netbooks.
The recent story about HyperVM security holes teaches that code reviews can be a question of life and death. See the story on the register and maybe you will understand... Sad...
Thomas
Ahahahahah !!! After watching the video, I got it. The middle word is "your"... :) Very funny video if you get to understand a bit of Chinese... Definitely, the original poster didn't get it. I have reread what he wrote, he said "it starts with mother". Quite the opposite way... FYM is quite ENDING with mother my friend.
Something the author of the first post seems to not have understand, is that "grass" and "fuck" is spelled the same way (eg: cao in pinying) but said with a different accent (the falling one means fuck). Same goes with "ma" that can mean mother or horse. I am really not sure about "mud" because I don't know what chinese word we are talking about here, but maybe someone can explain ?
Where did you see exactly that "Capitalism works"? Half of the earth wealth in the hands of a hundred, while half of the earth is starving, you call that a success? Come on, open your eyes and face the reality: you are comfortably setup in your cozy home writing this, while the vast majority doesn't have the basic survival kit.
+1 !!! I am also one of the guys very annoyed by people writing here "the Government" and "the country" and the like. Especially: even though I'm not a native of it, I live in the most populated country in the world (China, to name it), and the 300M compared to the 1.6T seems quite ridiculous. "the country" should NOT be USA.