Hi. Have you ever hanged out with the Shanghai Linux user group? It'd be great to see you some days at the hacking thursday event, at JA cafe, every thursday evening, from 7pm to 9pm-ish. It's always nice to meet new friends. Probably, we're better off continuing this privately. Please write to me using zigo at debian.org.
Well, you wrote Lujiazui, so it was quite confusing. Though my words still stand, people living in Lujiazui are the few lucky ones with a decent Internet connectivity.
my apartment in Shanghai (Lujiazui district) provides nearly that
Of course... You couldn't find such a better counter-example. It's like talking about Manhattan and generalize for the whole of USA. In other words, your experience is not the one of Chinese people.
Now, such post by some rich guys coming in the most rich parts of Shanghai for 6 months, then believing they know everything, bothers me. Try to go in more rural parts for few years, then we talk again.
via my VPN back to the US so I can stream several channels of MOG as well as Netflix. It's pretty darn good. Is it always 50 Mbps? Nope. But then again, my other place (Santa Barbara, served by Cox Internet) rarely can provide what it advertises as well.
You already posted that above. No need to post it a 2nd time. I replied to you that just using a VPN is nowadays not enough, you'd get it blocked within few hours (yeah, it's that simple, vpn = port block...).
Probably it's been quite some time you didn't go in China (eg: prior last November). Just using a VPN doesn't cut it. (There are (new tricky) ways around it, but I'd rather not broadcast them all and keep it for myself, than seeing more blocks.)
Seriously, it might be cheaper, but not at all faster or more reliable, especially if you aren't in Beijing, or Shanghai. And that's without talking about the countless blocks which the Chinese population has to deal with, making it even harder and slower to go online.
There's something you got to realize. Having 40 millions families connected to fiber in China, equals to have 2 major cities to switch to fiber. That's really doable.
What's not right, is whey they say that 40 million families represent one-third of the country’s entire population. That's in fact one third of the CONNECTED entire population. That's a big difference.
Apart from that, I'm totally with you concerning the "choice". China Telecom or China Unicom are both crap when it comes to international connectivity. Though it's better and better.
The big joke though, is that even if you get fiber to the home, you only get 20 Mbits down, and... tadaaaa... 512 Kbits up! For that kind of connectivity, using fiber is overly stupid. ADSL is enough.
I don't know about Hangout (I never used it, it's flash based, right?), but I don't think Google has the ability to wiretap my OTR protected XMPP chat.
Don't worry, the encryption, like most VOIP encryption, is done wrong so it does nothing to actually protect the content of your voice calls.
Yes, and there's no need to see a single line of code of it to know that. The simple fact that there's no system to actually authenticate what could look like a fingerprint is enough clue to understand that there's no authentication of your peers, like you'd have with let's say OTR. But guess what? The lemmings don't know about it... The lemmings don't even know the difference between authentication and encryption.
If intel is blowing off Windows 7 without working drivers for their newest chipsets what makes you think they will support Linux either?
They want you to blow extra $$$ for an icore5 that you do not need, and are trying to make this for tablets and phones only to stop ARM.
I'm convinced that Intel will not support older kernel versions. They never do anyway, they always target current, or next, so it can get upstreamed. Probably, they did the same with windows, I don't know (and frankly, I don't care). But what we're talking about here is support for the video driver, which is already in kernel.org (unless they integrate something completely new, but that's also very unlikely).
The imagination technology drivers aren't open source, which was a big issue. Moving to an Intel video board means that it will be released as free software (unless Intel changes its policy which is very unlikely). That's a very good news for the open source platforms!
That's the same story when they had troubles with the peering with Orange. Here, Google wants to put caching servers in the data center of Free, for... free! (notice the big and small f, otherwise it wont make sense.) The fact that the pipes are "saturated" is just plain bullshit, it's like this because they can't come with an agreement, and Free doesn't want to pay for bigger pipes, so it has to slow down SOME traffic, and chooses the one of Youtube (which normally doesn't cost that much if you allow Google to put some caching servers, bug Free doesn't agree to make it for free).
Well of course, and that's why they've been throttling it for a long long time! Why? Because they didn't succeed in having a satisfying agreement with Google...
If my browser has requested data from the internet, by default the ISP's job is to faithfully forward those requests and the responses to me, not to selectively block, modify, or even inspect the packets I have sent.
Except that in this case, your browser WOULD get the requested content. What's changed is the ISP's DNS, they do not use a transparent proxy like squid to do it. So it's easy to opt-out, and for those running a local recursive resolving name server, they wont even see the difference.
For example, in this case the founder of Free, Xavier Niel, is also a partial owner of the newspaper Le Monde, and by some reports ads are not being blocked on that site, while they are on others.
Please don't write "some reports". Please back this by facts, and don't just spread words that you didn't check by yourself. Also, probably, it's like this because Le Monde is not using 3rd party sites adds, but embeds them directly in the page, which is very different than what you're talking about.
Other accounts give different results with ad blocking, so that may not be intentional, but regardless it is a good hypothetical example of why this can be a very bad idea. It is one thing if the ISP offers additional services that the user can opt-in to use, but very different if they require users to opt-out (many of whom may not even know/understand that the ISP is modifying their traffic).
Well, clearly, you haven't understood what was happening either. The ISP is not modifying the traffic, it's only providing a "customized DNS" service. That's very different.
Except that here, it's Google who wishes to have caching servers collocated in the Free.fr IDCs. I think it's quite normal to pay for that. Also, when discussing peer agreements, it's a 2 side deal, and you can't just point at one side only. Clearly, Google is in a dominant position here, so I think it's normal to play with what's possible to get a better deal. That will, for sure, help driving the prices down for the final customer, if the ISP can reduce its costs. All isn't just black and white in this case.
nor $27/month for mobile with unlimited data/voice/texts, and no restrictions on VOIP, tethering... full net neutrality in fact. So up to now, they've undoubtedly been Good Guys.
As much as I agree they've been the good guys and drove the market price down, it's just plain wrong that you've been enjoying "full net neutrality". Free has been doing throttling of connections to Youtube, so much that sometimes, it was very difficult to watch (had to wait for buffering). Free here, is just doing business: probably they had not succeeded in having agreements with Google the way they wanted. It wouldn't be the first time they act this way with peers.
What always amazed me about the "porn filter", is that it is the only thing which is believed to need blocks. Like, seeing someone making love is not ok, but seeing someone killing another, like 100s of times on TV is perfectly fine. That's quite crazy thinking. What a world... Frankly, I would less mind my son to see porn than violence.
There's no need to do something that evil. There could be some open (for example REST) API for fetching the adds. I don't think it's that hard to implement.
To the contrary, I think you don't understand in fact both politics and English. So I'll write it again.
Absolutely NO party are advocating for getting out of Europe in France. Not to the left, and not on the right either. I do not consider myself a "leftwing" (or even rightwing by the way), I think we get fooled by the same politic each times, and that this left-right has lost all meaning.
I believe there's more people where I live than where you do (unless you live in a place with more than 20 millions...). I don't believe in "decroissance" which is pure greewashing, but really, I don't see at all why this has a relation to what I wrote about.
I thank you for the "idiotic", but I might as well return it to you, because writing about "anarcho-communist" is pure stupidity. You can't be both communist and believing in anarchy (probably you just tried to write as many words you don't understand as you could in a single sentence?). Anyway that's too much to understand from someone who's left brain has nothing right, and right brain has nothing left.
Now, somebody calling someone else "idiotic leftwing anarcho-communist" that "lives in a wooden cabin with no modern equipment" because of a call for more democracy is either a dangerous fascist or a dictator in my book.
Many European citizens still think Europe will bring more democracy
Can you point at a single citizen that still thinks this way? Oh, sorry, I misread. You wrote "will", as in, perhaps one day in the future... Yeah, maybe there's still some people with hope, but I believe the number of such people is getting smaller and smaller.
Seriously, Europe is all but about democracy. In fact, it has stolen democracy from once sovereign states. And when the people vote no for Europe, it still goes forward with more Europe. What's even more sad, is that despite people's discontent, in a country like France, absolutely zero party are proposing that this stops. (Well, in fact, there's one, called UPR, but nobody heard about them as there is not a single mass media that let them talk, and they were not allowed to run for presidency, so it's almost as if there were none.)
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Hi. Have you ever hanged out with the Shanghai Linux user group? It'd be great to see you some days at the hacking thursday event, at JA cafe, every thursday evening, from 7pm to 9pm-ish. It's always nice to meet new friends. Probably, we're better off continuing this privately. Please write to me using zigo at debian.org.
Well, you wrote Lujiazui, so it was quite confusing. Though my words still stand, people living in Lujiazui are the few lucky ones with a decent Internet connectivity.
my apartment in Shanghai (Lujiazui district) provides nearly that
Of course... You couldn't find such a better counter-example. It's like talking about Manhattan and generalize for the whole of USA. In other words, your experience is not the one of Chinese people.
Now, such post by some rich guys coming in the most rich parts of Shanghai for 6 months, then believing they know everything, bothers me. Try to go in more rural parts for few years, then we talk again.
via my VPN back to the US so I can stream several channels of MOG as well as Netflix. It's pretty darn good. Is it always 50 Mbps? Nope. But then again, my other place (Santa Barbara, served by Cox Internet) rarely can provide what it advertises as well.
You already posted that above. No need to post it a 2nd time. I replied to you that just using a VPN is nowadays not enough, you'd get it blocked within few hours (yeah, it's that simple, vpn = port block...).
It's the same good old technology using PPPoE, even over fiber. So yeah, of course it's traceable!
Probably it's been quite some time you didn't go in China (eg: prior last November). Just using a VPN doesn't cut it. (There are (new tricky) ways around it, but I'd rather not broadcast them all and keep it for myself, than seeing more blocks.)
Are you one of these guys paid 5 mao per post?
Seriously, it might be cheaper, but not at all faster or more reliable, especially if you aren't in Beijing, or Shanghai. And that's without talking about the countless blocks which the Chinese population has to deal with, making it even harder and slower to go online.
I wish this kind of authoritarianism was there to dictate IPv6 adoption in every country though.
There's something you got to realize. Having 40 millions families connected to fiber in China, equals to have 2 major cities to switch to fiber. That's really doable.
... tadaaaa ... 512 Kbits up! For that kind of connectivity, using fiber is overly stupid. ADSL is enough.
What's not right, is whey they say that 40 million families represent one-third of the country’s entire population. That's in fact one third of the CONNECTED entire population. That's a big difference.
Apart from that, I'm totally with you concerning the "choice". China Telecom or China Unicom are both crap when it comes to international connectivity. Though it's better and better.
The big joke though, is that even if you get fiber to the home, you only get 20 Mbits down, and
I don't know about Hangout (I never used it, it's flash based, right?), but I don't think Google has the ability to wiretap my OTR protected XMPP chat.
Don't worry, the encryption, like most VOIP encryption, is done wrong so it does nothing to actually protect the content of your voice calls.
Yes, and there's no need to see a single line of code of it to know that. The simple fact that there's no system to actually authenticate what could look like a fingerprint is enough clue to understand that there's no authentication of your peers, like you'd have with let's say OTR. But guess what? The lemmings don't know about it... The lemmings don't even know the difference between authentication and encryption.
Mr. Stallman cares less about DRM when it comes to games and entertainment.
If intel is blowing off Windows 7 without working drivers for their newest chipsets what makes you think they will support Linux either?
They want you to blow extra $$$ for an icore5 that you do not need, and are trying to make this for tablets and phones only to stop ARM.
I'm convinced that Intel will not support older kernel versions. They never do anyway, they always target current, or next, so it can get upstreamed. Probably, they did the same with windows, I don't know (and frankly, I don't care). But what we're talking about here is support for the video driver, which is already in kernel.org (unless they integrate something completely new, but that's also very unlikely).
The imagination technology drivers aren't open source, which was a big issue. Moving to an Intel video board means that it will be released as free software (unless Intel changes its policy which is very unlikely). That's a very good news for the open source platforms!
That's the same story when they had troubles with the peering with Orange. Here, Google wants to put caching servers in the data center of Free, for ... free! (notice the big and small f, otherwise it wont make sense.) The fact that the pipes are "saturated" is just plain bullshit, it's like this because they can't come with an agreement, and Free doesn't want to pay for bigger pipes, so it has to slow down SOME traffic, and chooses the one of Youtube (which normally doesn't cost that much if you allow Google to put some caching servers, bug Free doesn't agree to make it for free).
Well of course, and that's why they've been throttling it for a long long time! Why? Because they didn't succeed in having a satisfying agreement with Google...
I'm counting 4-5 trackers on lemonde.fr
I'm counting 8:
- AT Internet
- Cedexis
- Chartbeat
- Google Analitics
- Visual Revenue
- Facebook
- Twitter
- Google +
If my browser has requested data from the internet, by default the ISP's job is to faithfully forward those requests and the responses to me, not to selectively block, modify, or even inspect the packets I have sent.
Except that in this case, your browser WOULD get the requested content. What's changed is the ISP's DNS, they do not use a transparent proxy like squid to do it. So it's easy to opt-out, and for those running a local recursive resolving name server, they wont even see the difference.
For example, in this case the founder of Free, Xavier Niel, is also a partial owner of the newspaper Le Monde, and by some reports ads are not being blocked on that site, while they are on others.
Please don't write "some reports". Please back this by facts, and don't just spread words that you didn't check by yourself. Also, probably, it's like this because Le Monde is not using 3rd party sites adds, but embeds them directly in the page, which is very different than what you're talking about.
Other accounts give different results with ad blocking, so that may not be intentional, but regardless it is a good hypothetical example of why this can be a very bad idea. It is one thing if the ISP offers additional services that the user can opt-in to use, but very different if they require users to opt-out (many of whom may not even know/understand that the ISP is modifying their traffic).
Well, clearly, you haven't understood what was happening either. The ISP is not modifying the traffic, it's only providing a "customized DNS" service. That's very different.
Except that here, it's Google who wishes to have caching servers collocated in the Free.fr IDCs. I think it's quite normal to pay for that. Also, when discussing peer agreements, it's a 2 side deal, and you can't just point at one side only. Clearly, Google is in a dominant position here, so I think it's normal to play with what's possible to get a better deal. That will, for sure, help driving the prices down for the final customer, if the ISP can reduce its costs. All isn't just black and white in this case.
nor $27/month for mobile with unlimited data/voice/texts, and no restrictions on VOIP, tethering... full net neutrality in fact. So up to now, they've undoubtedly been Good Guys.
As much as I agree they've been the good guys and drove the market price down, it's just plain wrong that you've been enjoying "full net neutrality". Free has been doing throttling of connections to Youtube, so much that sometimes, it was very difficult to watch (had to wait for buffering). Free here, is just doing business: probably they had not succeeded in having agreements with Google the way they wanted. It wouldn't be the first time they act this way with peers.
What always amazed me about the "porn filter", is that it is the only thing which is believed to need blocks. Like, seeing someone making love is not ok, but seeing someone killing another, like 100s of times on TV is perfectly fine. That's quite crazy thinking. What a world... Frankly, I would less mind my son to see porn than violence.
There's no need to do something that evil. There could be some open (for example REST) API for fetching the adds. I don't think it's that hard to implement.
Probably not a lot of people thought about it, but blocking adds like this is saving free.fr a lot of bandwidth. I'm sure it's quite significant.
The internet would still be a bunch of news groups if it wasn't for advertising
Ah! It'd be really so nice... And people using really open protocols like IRC instead of MSN / Yahoo / Skype / Facebook...
To the contrary, I think you don't understand in fact both politics and English. So I'll write it again. ...). I don't believe in "decroissance" which is pure greewashing, but really, I don't see at all why this has a relation to what I wrote about.
Absolutely NO party are advocating for getting out of Europe in France. Not to the left, and not on the right either. I do not consider myself a "leftwing" (or even rightwing by the way), I think we get fooled by the same politic each times, and that this left-right has lost all meaning.
I believe there's more people where I live than where you do (unless you live in a place with more than 20 millions
I thank you for the "idiotic", but I might as well return it to you, because writing about "anarcho-communist" is pure stupidity. You can't be both communist and believing in anarchy (probably you just tried to write as many words you don't understand as you could in a single sentence?). Anyway that's too much to understand from someone who's left brain has nothing right, and right brain has nothing left.
Now, somebody calling someone else "idiotic leftwing anarcho-communist" that "lives in a wooden cabin with no modern equipment" because of a call for more democracy is either a dangerous fascist or a dictator in my book.
Many European citizens still think Europe will bring more democracy
Can you point at a single citizen that still thinks this way? Oh, sorry, I misread. You wrote "will", as in, perhaps one day in the future... Yeah, maybe there's still some people with hope, but I believe the number of such people is getting smaller and smaller.
Seriously, Europe is all but about democracy. In fact, it has stolen democracy from once sovereign states. And when the people vote no for Europe, it still goes forward with more Europe. What's even more sad, is that despite people's discontent, in a country like France, absolutely zero party are proposing that this stops. (Well, in fact, there's one, called UPR, but nobody heard about them as there is not a single mass media that let them talk, and they were not allowed to run for presidency, so it's almost as if there were none.)