However, a truly interoperable cloud environment sounds like a race to the bottom for vendors -- who can be the cheapest?
It's not hard to see people running management software that figures out what the cheapest vendor is on some regular basis and doing migrations to other vendors as soon as there's enough price break to make it worth what downtime there might be or to build a presence in many compatible clouds, keep your data synced and just move your workloads to whoever's cheapest.
It's not hard to see this kind of thing happening in near real-time for people with the management tools and architecture.
First of all, what you are talking about already exists, and some people already do that (eg: migrating to the cheapest). There is even a market place to trade compute workload, with future market and all, just like with Enron!!! Though considering only price for a hosting provider is a big mistake IMO. There are lots of other parameters that comes into consideration, like quality of the support, bandwidth, overcommitting of the compute nodes, etc.
So, basically, you first add a virtual router with a NIC on a public IP address, and the other NIC on your virtual LAN. Then if you need a public IP address for a VM, you just add a "floating IP address", which basically means that you will have NAT port redirections going to that IP in the LAN.
All this is completely standard in Openstack, if your provider is using Nova and Quantum in a normal setup. The problem is that Rackspace is half in the past (with their own previous implementation which they want to stay compatible with), and half in the future (with implementations of things which aren't in the mainstream project yet because this takes time, cells is a very good example that turned out very well since it is now integrated). As for HP, it is a very different story. They decided to stick with the Diablo release for a long time, and basically forked it, also working on features away from the project (eg: healthmon).
Finally, I strongly believe that both Rackspace and HP are committed to have these problems solved, as this is very problematic for them also (eg: maintaining their own branch means a big loss in terms of human hours of development). So I am convinced that in the long run, these problems will go away.
Ideally they'd release a test suite, and anything that passes the test suite may be called OpenStack, while anything that fails may not. That would be a simple, objective criterion.
What speaks volumes about the "quality" of the CMS is how much time it can stay on your web server without being hacked. Answer: not so long... This "thing" is full of security holes. About one hole every 2 or 3 months, recently. STAY AWAY!
You nailed it. These are just excuses that the Obama administrations are searching for to go to war. At no point, conventional war should be responses should ever be used. This confusions of words ("online warfare", or "Cyber pearl harbor", etc.) should be always denied.
Do you think it's moral that so many actors from Hollywood are millionaires? Do you think these studios care about morality? Do you think they care about morality when the RIAA attacks a mother, and try to make her pay 100k USD for 12 songs? Do you think that they don't do enough money maybe? Do you think it's normal that there is a copyright for 70 years, and that they never stop extending it? What do you think of the Mikey mouse Liberation Front, and Disney making money out of stories currently in the public domain, but fighting for their copyrights?
Do you think it is moral to disconnect someone from the Internet, even if needs it for work? Do you think it's moral that private company are becoming judges?
Trying to fool anyone with this concept of moral is useless, we all know it's not on the side of Hollywood and the RIAA, and even less on the side of the ISPs.
what is it, where does it comes from, how is it grown, when is it in season, etc.
Actually, it's been a while that all these have been lobbied for already, and that it's gone out of control. In Europe, there's even a restrictive list of what you are allowed to trade, no mater if it's a 200 year old vegetable that your family has always been growing (if that vegetable hasn't entered the list, which costs 500 EUR every year, it's not possible to trade it in Europe). The latest horse scandal in Europe shows as bad traceability has become (it used to be pretty good in France, but Europe destroyed it with new laws). In north America, everything is made in Monsanto. Good luck getting these information. Good luck being able to choose with these information.
Do you know what happens when there's a freeze of the next stable? Well, it's easy, we don't upload to SID. But we upload to Experimental instead. So, here, you're just being scared by the name of the distro, that's totally stupid.
The kernel 3.8 has been released 6 days ago. Do you think that's reasonable to expect that it reaches Debian in less than a week? I don't. Debian experimental has Firefox 19, and Libreoffice 4 and XFCE 4.10.
So, for each and every example you gave, you've been defeated.
You'd better stop exposing yourself here. You're saying only non-sense. Now, if you're just worried by the name "experimental", then I can't do anything for you. During the freeze, that's where we do our development, and so if you want to stay current, that's the only place where you will find the latest stuff. That's it. Move on...
Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel, web browser and libreoffice, YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like). But I know that the latest Nouveau driver went in for Wheezy. It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.
Please stop repeating the bul**hit that everyone tells without taking the time to check.
What's wrong with having your email visible on a site? Do you believe the legend that you can hide yourself from spammer? Dude, this doesn't work. Plus it's not because you are annoyed by spams (I suppose that's the reason, right?), that you should annoy everyone and request to remove your email. How are we supposed to contact you to get feedback then?
Now, if you don't bother reporting bugs (let alone trying to fix them or contribute somehow), please don't bother either complaining on public websites.
How could this be, when 80% of the packages of Ubuntu comes from Debian SID? What you are writing here is a propaganda that Ubuntu people likes to spread. They only work on a very small subset of the Debian packages, and they take the rest from SID, importing the bugs with them.
Quite not. With a GPS, you receive a very accurate time information from the GPS satellite. That's by the way the only thing which the satellites are sending to you, and you have 12 of them sending you that information (your position is calculated by telling how much time it took for the signal to reach you).
Which is weird, because as I understand it, GPS requires accurate timekeeping, which means that anything with a GPS chip in it can get a very accurate time.
You got it nearly right. It's not that GPS requires accurate timekeeping, it's that the only thing which the GPS satellites are sending is time.
Since you receive many satellites signal, and you know roughly how far they should be from you, you can tell with a very accurate precision what time it is. With some (not so complicated) calculation, you can then tell how much time it took for the signal to go from the satellite to your GPS receiver. Convert the time for the signal to travel into a distance, and with a bit of math (eg: the signal always travels at the same speed), triangulate this with all the 12 satellites which you can receive (every modern GPS receiver can receive 12 channels), and bingo, you got your position.
So yeah, the most accurate thing you get from a GPS chip is the time of the day, with an extreme accuracy. The least accurate thing is the elevation (typically, 100m accuracy for consumer products).
We often buy servers. When it comes to Australia, we know it has to be a lot more expensive. Once, we tried to ask our California-based hardware provider to quote for hardware + shipping, and it was even more expensive than then very high priced local vendor. All that because of huge shipping fees. No wonder...
Though, this should apply to physical goods only, not to software.
Russian and Simplified Chinese, I agree. But German and Swedish??? Come on... Spanish and Arabic are a way more important. Spanish is the 3rd language in the world (behind, in this order, Chinese and English: yes, Chinese first!).
And for those who have bad SPF records, and send email from the wrong IP? Well too bad, they wont be able to write to me. But as well to so many other persons (gmail, hotmail, etc.) that it's not really a huge concern, and that I don't feel like I should be the one having to spend the time explaining how to configure things.
I got a battery pack from eBay for £30 which can charge my iPhone at least 3 times from empty, and charges overnight in about 7-8 hours. Works great, and I don't have to do a reboot to swap the battery out. I also don't have the issue of having to swap batteries around to charge them on the phone, which is a major inconvenience of proprietary phone batteries that usually don't come with a battery-only charger.
Such a stand-alone battery charger cost me 15 RMB (eg: 2 USD). Why is this a problem to buy it separately?
Moreover, Apple has already been found guilty of organizing the obsolecense of its product with very very poor battery lifetime (1 year and a half on the iPod, and very hard to change).
I've bought batteries from SCUD. It's a very good brand which beats everyone else on the benchmarks, and I'm very happy with them.
Probably, that's not what the OP is searching for, but Openstack swift is a very interesting cloud storage solution which has redundancy, so I thought it was a good idea to raise the topic in this thread.
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However, a truly interoperable cloud environment sounds like a race to the bottom for vendors -- who can be the cheapest?
It's not hard to see people running management software that figures out what the cheapest vendor is on some regular basis and doing migrations to other vendors as soon as there's enough price break to make it worth what downtime there might be or to build a presence in many compatible clouds, keep your data synced and just move your workloads to whoever's cheapest.
It's not hard to see this kind of thing happening in near real-time for people with the management tools and architecture.
First of all, what you are talking about already exists, and some people already do that (eg: migrating to the cheapest). There is even a market place to trade compute workload, with future market and all, just like with Enron!!! Though considering only price for a hosting provider is a big mistake IMO. There are lots of other parameters that comes into consideration, like quality of the support, bandwidth, overcommitting of the compute nodes, etc.
What you are asking for is the default in Openstack. I have just finished writing a howto about Openstack networking in here:
https://wiki.debian.org/OpenStackHowto/Quantum
So, basically, you first add a virtual router with a NIC on a public IP address, and the other NIC on your virtual LAN. Then if you need a public IP address for a VM, you just add a "floating IP address", which basically means that you will have NAT port redirections going to that IP in the LAN.
All this is completely standard in Openstack, if your provider is using Nova and Quantum in a normal setup. The problem is that Rackspace is half in the past (with their own previous implementation which they want to stay compatible with), and half in the future (with implementations of things which aren't in the mainstream project yet because this takes time, cells is a very good example that turned out very well since it is now integrated). As for HP, it is a very different story. They decided to stick with the Diablo release for a long time, and basically forked it, also working on features away from the project (eg: healthmon).
Finally, I strongly believe that both Rackspace and HP are committed to have these problems solved, as this is very problematic for them also (eg: maintaining their own branch means a big loss in terms of human hours of development). So I am convinced that in the long run, these problems will go away.
Ideally they'd release a test suite, and anything that passes the test suite may be called OpenStack, while anything that fails may not. That would be a simple, objective criterion.
You are talking about tempest here! :)
What speaks volumes about the "quality" of the CMS is how much time it can stay on your web server without being hacked. Answer: not so long... This "thing" is full of security holes. About one hole every 2 or 3 months, recently. STAY AWAY!
You nailed it. These are just excuses that the Obama administrations are searching for to go to war. At no point, conventional war should be responses should ever be used. This confusions of words ("online warfare", or "Cyber pearl harbor", etc.) should be always denied.
Do you think it's moral that so many actors from Hollywood are millionaires? Do you think these studios care about morality? Do you think they care about morality when the RIAA attacks a mother, and try to make her pay 100k USD for 12 songs? Do you think that they don't do enough money maybe? Do you think it's normal that there is a copyright for 70 years, and that they never stop extending it? What do you think of the Mikey mouse Liberation Front, and Disney making money out of stories currently in the public domain, but fighting for their copyrights?
Do you think it is moral to disconnect someone from the Internet, even if needs it for work? Do you think it's moral that private company are becoming judges?
Trying to fool anyone with this concept of moral is useless, we all know it's not on the side of Hollywood and the RIAA, and even less on the side of the ISPs.
Not everyone lives in California. Downloading is legal in Switzerland for example (and there's other places where it is).
what is it, where does it comes from, how is it grown, when is it in season, etc.
Actually, it's been a while that all these have been lobbied for already, and that it's gone out of control. In Europe, there's even a restrictive list of what you are allowed to trade, no mater if it's a 200 year old vegetable that your family has always been growing (if that vegetable hasn't entered the list, which costs 500 EUR every year, it's not possible to trade it in Europe). The latest horse scandal in Europe shows as bad traceability has become (it used to be pretty good in France, but Europe destroyed it with new laws). In north America, everything is made in Monsanto. Good luck getting these information. Good luck being able to choose with these information.
Well, you haven't seen it precisely because its use was too restrictive! Now, this might change.
I believe they also import selectively from Experimental during the freeze.
Do you know what happens when there's a freeze of the next stable? Well, it's easy, we don't upload to SID. But we upload to Experimental instead. So, here, you're just being scared by the name of the distro, that's totally stupid.
The kernel 3.8 has been released 6 days ago. Do you think that's reasonable to expect that it reaches Debian in less than a week? I don't. Debian experimental has Firefox 19, and Libreoffice 4 and XFCE 4.10.
So, for each and every example you gave, you've been defeated.
You'd better stop exposing yourself here. You're saying only non-sense. Now, if you're just worried by the name "experimental", then I can't do anything for you. During the freeze, that's where we do our development, and so if you want to stay current, that's the only place where you will find the latest stuff. That's it. Move on...
Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel, web browser and libreoffice, YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like). But I know that the latest Nouveau driver went in for Wheezy. It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.
Please stop repeating the bul**hit that everyone tells without taking the time to check.
SID = Still In Development (or the name of the next door neighbor who always destroy toys, in toys story, as you like...)
What's wrong with having your email visible on a site? Do you believe the legend that you can hide yourself from spammer? Dude, this doesn't work. Plus it's not because you are annoyed by spams (I suppose that's the reason, right?), that you should annoy everyone and request to remove your email. How are we supposed to contact you to get feedback then?
Now, if you don't bother reporting bugs (let alone trying to fix them or contribute somehow), please don't bother either complaining on public websites.
How could this be, when 80% of the packages of Ubuntu comes from Debian SID? What you are writing here is a propaganda that Ubuntu people likes to spread. They only work on a very small subset of the Debian packages, and they take the rest from SID, importing the bugs with them.
Or Debian... Even though more than 80% of all packages are coming from it.
Exactly what in Debian is non-standard?
A) gps requires accurate time
Quite not. With a GPS, you receive a very accurate time information from the GPS satellite. That's by the way the only thing which the satellites are sending to you, and you have 12 of them sending you that information (your position is calculated by telling how much time it took for the signal to reach you).
Which is weird, because as I understand it, GPS requires accurate timekeeping, which means that anything with a GPS chip in it can get a very accurate time.
You got it nearly right. It's not that GPS requires accurate timekeeping, it's that the only thing which the GPS satellites are sending is time.
Since you receive many satellites signal, and you know roughly how far they should be from you, you can tell with a very accurate precision what time it is. With some (not so complicated) calculation, you can then tell how much time it took for the signal to go from the satellite to your GPS receiver. Convert the time for the signal to travel into a distance, and with a bit of math (eg: the signal always travels at the same speed), triangulate this with all the 12 satellites which you can receive (every modern GPS receiver can receive 12 channels), and bingo, you got your position.
So yeah, the most accurate thing you get from a GPS chip is the time of the day, with an extreme accuracy. The least accurate thing is the elevation (typically, 100m accuracy for consumer products).
the stability of a commercially supported desktop/workstation distribution.
WTF? Go back to use Windows, it's "commercially supported", so it must be more stable...
We often buy servers. When it comes to Australia, we know it has to be a lot more expensive. Once, we tried to ask our California-based hardware provider to quote for hardware + shipping, and it was even more expensive than then very high priced local vendor. All that because of huge shipping fees. No wonder...
Though, this should apply to physical goods only, not to software.
Russian and Simplified Chinese, I agree. But German and Swedish??? Come on... Spanish and Arabic are a way more important. Spanish is the 3rd language in the world (behind, in this order, Chinese and English: yes, Chinese first!).
Not only I use SPF, but I also maintain the tumgreyspf package in Debian, which does both SPF and greylisting.
And for those who have bad SPF records, and send email from the wrong IP? Well too bad, they wont be able to write to me. But as well to so many other persons (gmail, hotmail, etc.) that it's not really a huge concern, and that I don't feel like I should be the one having to spend the time explaining how to configure things.
I got a battery pack from eBay for £30 which can charge my iPhone at least 3 times from empty, and charges overnight in about 7-8 hours. Works great, and I don't have to do a reboot to swap the battery out. I also don't have the issue of having to swap batteries around to charge them on the phone, which is a major inconvenience of proprietary phone batteries that usually don't come with a battery-only charger.
Such a stand-alone battery charger cost me 15 RMB (eg: 2 USD). Why is this a problem to buy it separately?
Moreover, Apple has already been found guilty of organizing the obsolecense of its product with very very poor battery lifetime (1 year and a half on the iPod, and very hard to change).
I've bought batteries from SCUD. It's a very good brand which beats everyone else on the benchmarks, and I'm very happy with them.
Probably, that's not what the OP is searching for, but Openstack swift is a very interesting cloud storage solution which has redundancy, so I thought it was a good idea to raise the topic in this thread.