Stories I've heard from people working for PacBell or AT&T indicate that the unions fight hard to keep incompetent workers
Yep... my father worked for AT&T for something like 23 years, and the union was nothing more then a huge pain in their asses. I remember him going through a strike when I was 10 or so... man, my parents were scared then.
Then union used to do things like: A company (or gov't team.. I forget which) wanted to hand pick the best people to go over to Armenia after the earthquake (I forget the year) to help restore communications. The union stepped in and said they had to go purely by seniority instead... so they went elsewhere. My father was one of the people they wanted, and he lost out on a great opportunity and good money because of the union's actions.
I think the entire time he worked there, the union did perhaps 2 or 3 things that were good for the workers in their eyes... the rest of the time what they did resulted in more harm than good.
I had to join the Teamsters when I had my first job at the SD Zoo. The union clearly didn't care about us. As long as we earned enough to pay dues, that seemed to be enough for them. And of course, noone lazy was fired, and promotions weren't based on merit but on seniority.
So as long as the death penalty is carried out with a device that's computer controlled instead of something where a person "pushes the switch" then it's ok?
Personally, I'm for the death penalty.. you commit a pre-meditated murder (and no, being the switch pursher doesn't count).. you blew your chance, and you deserve to die. End of story.
I'm not entirely sure which is better: to serve the number of connections the machines can handle adequately, and fail others, or to serve all of them poorly. Probably the first,
I think the 2nd is better, as long as it's not a constant thing. Often, when sites get overloaded (like cnn during a huge story) you'll get the html, or at least enough to see the story... but the pics will slow down. That's easy enough to cancel out. With the "site too busy" error, you get squat.
I have a similar problem with w2k and my TEAC CD-R55S SCSI CD-R drive. Linux works fine with it, as does 98. However, 2k hangs hard when I put any normal disc in the drive. The other 2 CD-ROMS on the chain are fine... This happens with all drivers including the latest Adaptec drivers for SCSI host and other hardware.
What's really odd is that I can still use W2k and EZ-CD Creator to burn disks on it just fine.. but if I burn a disc, then close it again when the burn it done (I always have it eject when done burning since I usually max my tv tuner window) it'll make the box hang.
but when giving this site a quick look, I couldn't help thinking of this.
That's ok.. I tried for 2 hours on and off (every 15 minutes or so I'd click the link when taking a break from the work I was doing) yesterday before it finally gave me the page instead of:
HTTP 1.1 Server Too Busy
I get that all the time from msnbc too, whenever a big news story breaks... CNN might slow way down.. but at least I get the page instead of either the above message or error messages intended for one of the site's admins.
As for the mouse pointer disappearing in Word, she should get her eyes tested and he shouldn't be so quick to try and reboot.
So I suppose that would include myself, my parents, sister and brother in law, and at least a dozen friends and coworkers who have had this happen to them at least once in the last two or three weeks? I've had the mouse pointer vanish on my 9x, NT4, and w2k boxes plenty of times. And no, I never pulled the mouse out to cause it.
Now think, that if it wasnt for DOS and Windows, PC's wouldn't be so popular, ergo they wouldn't be so affordable.
Once again for those in the cheap seats.... MS is not responsible for the popularity or low price of Personal computers.
It was the choice to use off the shelf components by IBM for it's original PC that started the x86 market. All it took was a little reverse engineering of the BIOS, and clones could be built by competitors to IBM. If MS hadn't been the lucky ones there at just the right time, it would've been some other company and/or OS that ran on those first PCs.
Most Windows users don't even know there are other OSes out there for PCs (you can mostly thank MS' massive marketing department for that)... not to mention what an OS even is.
This irks me. Cell phones typically don't give the user appropriate auditory feedback. On a regular phone, you can hear yourself through the phone, on a cell phone you can't.
Hmm.... I can hear myself fine on my phone. It's a QCP-2760 from Qualcomm/Kyocera. I also don't talk louder into cell phones then land lines.. but I've always had a decent cell phone.
Actually, I'd go even farther and say there's no such thing as an unbiased person... judge or no judge. Unless you somehow know absolutely nothing about any issue even remotely related to a trial, you're going to have some kind of bias (then of course it's not a true jury of your peers.. but that's another issue).
I think all that's needed is someone who can put their bias aside, and view the information with regard to the law itself... and leave the bias outside the courtroom.
I served on a jury last year for a gang-related murder trial, and none of us on the panel had any problems judging the facts as to how they related to the law. I think that's what matters. Can Jackson ignore any personal bias he has? If so, then there should be no problem having him revisit the case. If not, then he should be recused.
In fact we were forced to build products with lower quality because of other companies attempts to harm us.
Ha! This has to be the funniest pro-MS post I've ever read. "MS' products suck because MS was forced to make them that way!" Yeah, right. MS products suck because they haven't been able to do any better.
It's due to MS OSes that people have come to accept regular reboots and/or crashes as a completely normal part of computer use. Yes computers and OSes can crash.. but with decent OSes, those crashes are much more rare. As one who works in an admin group with well over 500 Sun and HP workstations, I can tell you that crashes and reboots are rare compared to the NT/w2k desktops that everyone has...
Without their illegal contracts with OEMs, and outright theft of some technologies, MS would never have risen to the top like they have. MS knows this, which is why they do what they can to destroy all prospective competitors before they have a chance to threaten them.
Luckily, they can't do that with Linux, *BSD, etc.
BTW, nice attempt to try to blame c++ for the bad programs too. How come plenty of other companies can make programs that don't leak memory like a sieve and that run damn fast?
> 2. When will solaris be shipped with GNOME as the default desktop?
Well... it is about beeing able to choose, after all. You can install Gnome on your Solaris (never did it, don't have such a box, but heard it is possible), as you can install KDE (I assume).
I've been using gnome almost exclusivly under Solaris 2.6 and 8 for over a year now... been about a year and a half since I first got it running. Also had KDE working 2 years (damn, didn't realize it'd been so long) ago on the same boxes.
It's nice having choice. You should see the drastic differences in setups that are used here... some use olvwm, some CDE, some FVWm, gnome, kde, etc etc.
The brand new M700's run 2000 without a single driver needed outside of the Windows 2000 CD, with full ACPI/USB/PCMCIA support. Hard to beat that.Does Linux or BSD install?
Yes. I setup a kickstart image on 14 M700s recently for a demo. Worked like a charm.
It's not Bullshit... Have you even worked in a union job? The very first job I had was one where I _had_ to join the union (and it was the Teamsters). It did exactly as he said: I would bust my ass, and other lazy workers got promoted simply for being there a few months longer. Unions love to go by seniority, as if time at the company has anything to do with your worth as an employee.
The few guarantees that the union contract got us were little more then enough to make sure that we could pay our monthly dues (we're talking seasonal workers here). Then after quitting, the union hounded me (and a friend who quit the same day) for about 4 months trying to get us to pay dues even though when we left the job, we were automatically out of the union. The numbers on the mail we got from them about questions were never answered, and we called all times of the day.
Like a lot of things in life, the idea of unions is noble... but when reality kicks in, they suck. There's far too much corruption in them and they tend to either not benefit the workers enough, or they do more harm then good by making demands that companies can't pay for.
Damn.. how sad, he even forgot to edit all the html on his main page.
The bottom paragraph of the trinityhost.com page is :
We have been around since February of 1995, our track record is proven. We're committed to customer service. You are going to get the best available; we guarantee it! We take care of our clients...PERIOD. Questions about Page Creators? ASK US !
And the ASK US is a link to itself.... LAME. He might've been using loopholes and getting cash in a way that seemed smart, but he's obviously not the brightest guy out there.
I could've done better using vi and doing a:%s/Page Creators/Trintyhost/g
Apple is a hardware company - they make their money on hardware - they couldn't survive as an OS house.
I don't buy that argument.. the same could be said for Sun, but they make an X86 Solaris. Why? At least partly because they know if people use it on x86 and get experience with it, they might then buy Sun computers knowing how much better it will/could be on it. There are other reasons too (so that admins who work on Sparcs can use Solaris at home too without the high cost of sparc machines), but that's one of the primary ones IMO.
... I know for absolute certain that if we stay the course now with Al Gore and do not do something to radically change the entitlement (privatize, etc) I will NOT ever by able to enjoy the benefits of the program. It just won't exist anymore.
Exactly. Anyone under 40 (hell maybe even 50) in the US, that thinks they'll get SocSec when they're 65, is deluding themselves.
How dare you assume that anyone that actually gives a shit about how THEIR hard earned income is spent by the federal government is a greedy asshole.
Exactly. I have nothing against helping people, but the current system of tax, tax, TAX.. and then waste most of it on programs that don't work is stupid. I'd prefer a strong military, which increases jobs in companies that support defense projects, and increases the need for soldiers.. let people get money through jobs and/or military service in a system like that, don't weaken our defense and pay people via welfare programs. That, and pay the enlisted men a little more so they aren't so poor.
I tried the Solaris version of 5.5 (or whatever the lastest unix one was) and it sucked! If you wanted the same functionality (browser and a mail/news window) it used about 40% more RAM then NS... that's assuming you got that far before it hung. IE tended to hang hard usually within seconds of starting up (under 2.5.1, 2.6, and 2.8), sometimes hanging my entire X session.
It also had a nasty habit of crashing CDE at random intervals.
Personally.. I'm glad there's no IE for Linux, and even if there were, I'd stay as far away from it as I could.
The money is less, but the possibilities of working on something that is actually personally interesting...
You know, many of us chose IT careers because we do find computers and technology personally interesting.
Personally, I've always been a geek. Even as a little kid I always took things apart to find out how they worked. I enjoy using my brain and solving problems, and yes, a lot of the extra work I do is because I enjoy doing it or am obsessed with solving a problem I'm working on (taught myself customized Solaris jumpstart trees and custom Solaris packages over a weekend last month over just such a problem). That doesn't mean I think we shouldn't be compensated for the time we put into the job, or get taken advantage of because we happen to enjoy most of what we do. I also see the engineers that I support working ungodly hours to meet insane schedules as well.. seems to be the norm for most technical work today, not just IT.
In any case, just because you (I assume) got into IT for the money, doesn't mean we all did. Many of us love working with the latest and greatest hardware that cost more than we could ever afford. We also love having toys to play with... I mean test.:) In fact, those of us that love computer work tend to be the best at the job. Mainly due to having more natural troubleshooting skills then those that took a course at a trade school after seeing the commercials promising, "more money then most college graduates make." Many of us learned/still learn more on our own then we ever did in any fomalized training.
Some of us are also smart enough to not dig a hole we can't get out of by only learning one OS and/or platform. Personally, I touch Windows as little as possible, perferring the control I have over unix boxes much more (mostly Solaris but some HP, and more and more Linux as time passes). But I still make sure I know the basics in every OS I might have to touch, and I'm always willing to learn new skills.
Oh, and yes, I do get enjoyment out of figuring out some obscure hardware/software error, building a new massive farm of servers, etc. The fact that you never did clearly shows (to me anyway) why you don't miss working in IT, and likely never did belong there in the first place.
I want to point out somthing, as techies in a tech driven industry we are paid very well. In fact when I look at my companies salary spread sheet (oops abusing sysadmin privilidges) I see that I, being out of school 3 years, am making more then some operations/business folks that have been working 5-10 years or more. Some even with MBA's.
You forget one thing: IT people tend to work a hell of a lot more then 40 hours a week. I know that everyone I work with at my company works well over 40 hours, but those MBA/business people you talk about tend to work 9 to 5 and that's it. They don't tend to work big chunks of their weekend, work oncall usually 24/7, etc.
Take your large salary and theirs and break it down to actual hours worked to find what the hourly rates work out to. You'll find that many of us in IT who have large salraies actually get paid very low by the hour in comparison. Which is why IT people are salaried so much now, companies know they're getting us for far less money then they would if they paid by the hour.. especially once OT kicks in.
Uh.. no. Yes we have a Navy base (and a Marine one).. but the military (active and ex) population are only a drop in the bucket compared to the city (and especially county) as a whole.
However, as a prospective home buyer in SD right now.. I agree with the post you're replying too: RE prices are going through the roof here. A small sized 3br/2ba house with a tiny yard is at minimum $250k now. Unless you want to live well outside of town and deal with 1+hour drives in bumper to bumper traffic, and even then the prices are still above the national average.
San Diego is a nice place to live, but the quality of life is going downhill. Housing prices are insane, gas is some of the highest in the country, electricity is outrageous, traffic gets worse everyday... yet new housing developments open every single week.
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Stories I've heard from people working for PacBell or AT&T indicate that the unions fight hard to keep incompetent workers
Yep... my father worked for AT&T for something like 23 years, and the union was nothing more then a huge pain in their asses. I remember him going through a strike when I was 10 or so... man, my parents were scared then.
Then union used to do things like: A company (or gov't team.. I forget which) wanted to hand pick the best people to go over to Armenia after the earthquake (I forget the year) to help restore communications. The union stepped in and said they had to go purely by seniority instead... so they went elsewhere. My father was one of the people they wanted, and he lost out on a great opportunity and good money because of the union's actions.
I think the entire time he worked there, the union did perhaps 2 or 3 things that were good for the workers in their eyes... the rest of the time what they did resulted in more harm than good.
I had to join the Teamsters when I had my first job at the SD Zoo. The union clearly didn't care about us. As long as we earned enough to pay dues, that seemed to be enough for them. And of course, noone lazy was fired, and promotions weren't based on merit but on seniority.
So as long as the death penalty is carried out with a device that's computer controlled instead of something where a person "pushes the switch" then it's ok?
Personally, I'm for the death penalty.. you commit a pre-meditated murder (and no, being the switch pursher doesn't count).. you blew your chance, and you deserve to die. End of story.
I'm not entirely sure which is better: to serve the number of connections the machines can handle adequately, and fail others, or to serve all of them poorly. Probably the first,
I think the 2nd is better, as long as it's not a constant thing. Often, when sites get overloaded (like cnn during a huge story) you'll get the html, or at least enough to see the story... but the pics will slow down. That's easy enough to cancel out. With the "site too busy" error, you get squat.
I have a similar problem with w2k and my TEAC CD-R55S SCSI CD-R drive. Linux works fine with it, as does 98. However, 2k hangs hard when I put any normal disc in the drive. The other 2 CD-ROMS on the chain are fine... This happens with all drivers including the latest Adaptec drivers for SCSI host and other hardware.
What's really odd is that I can still use W2k and EZ-CD Creator to burn disks on it just fine.. but if I burn a disc, then close it again when the burn it done (I always have it eject when done burning since I usually max my tv tuner window) it'll make the box hang.
but when giving this site a quick look, I couldn't help thinking of this.
That's ok.. I tried for 2 hours on and off (every 15 minutes or so I'd click the link when taking a break from the work I was doing) yesterday before it finally gave me the page instead of:
HTTP 1.1 Server Too Busy
I get that all the time from msnbc too, whenever a big news story breaks... CNN might slow way down.. but at least I get the page instead of either the above message or error messages intended for one of the site's admins.
As for the mouse pointer disappearing in Word, she should get her eyes tested and he shouldn't be so quick to try and reboot.
So I suppose that would include myself, my parents, sister and brother in law, and at least a dozen friends and coworkers who have had this happen to them at least once in the last two or three weeks? I've had the mouse pointer vanish on my 9x, NT4, and w2k boxes plenty of times. And no, I never pulled the mouse out to cause it.
it will lock-up every Unix system I've come across:
Then you haven't come across Solaris.. or any other Unix with some decent limits set.
Now think, that if it wasnt for DOS and Windows, PC's wouldn't be so popular, ergo they wouldn't be so affordable.
Once again for those in the cheap seats.... MS is not responsible for the popularity or low price of Personal computers.
It was the choice to use off the shelf components by IBM for it's original PC that started the x86 market. All it took was a little reverse engineering of the BIOS, and clones could be built by competitors to IBM. If MS hadn't been the lucky ones there at just the right time, it would've been some other company and/or OS that ran on those first PCs.
Most Windows users don't even know there are other OSes out there for PCs (you can mostly thank MS' massive marketing department for that)... not to mention what an OS even is.
This irks me. Cell phones typically don't give the user appropriate auditory feedback. On a regular phone, you can hear yourself through the phone, on a cell phone you can't.
Hmm.... I can hear myself fine on my phone. It's a QCP-2760 from Qualcomm/Kyocera. I also don't talk louder into cell phones then land lines.. but I've always had a decent cell phone.
There is no such thing as an unbiased judge.
Actually, I'd go even farther and say there's no such thing as an unbiased person... judge or no judge. Unless you somehow know absolutely nothing about any issue even remotely related to a trial, you're going to have some kind of bias (then of course it's not a true jury of your peers.. but that's another issue).
I think all that's needed is someone who can put their bias aside, and view the information with regard to the law itself... and leave the bias outside the courtroom.
I served on a jury last year for a gang-related murder trial, and none of us on the panel had any problems judging the facts as to how they related to the law. I think that's what matters. Can Jackson ignore any personal bias he has? If so, then there should be no problem having him revisit the case. If not, then he should be recused.
In fact we were forced to build products with lower quality because of other companies attempts to harm us.
Ha! This has to be the funniest pro-MS post I've ever read. "MS' products suck because MS was forced to make them that way!" Yeah, right. MS products suck because they haven't been able to do any better.
It's due to MS OSes that people have come to accept regular reboots and/or crashes as a completely normal part of computer use. Yes computers and OSes can crash.. but with decent OSes, those crashes are much more rare. As one who works in an admin group with well over 500 Sun and HP workstations, I can tell you that crashes and reboots are rare compared to the NT/w2k desktops that everyone has...
Without their illegal contracts with OEMs, and outright theft of some technologies, MS would never have risen to the top like they have. MS knows this, which is why they do what they can to destroy all prospective competitors before they have a chance to threaten them.
Luckily, they can't do that with Linux, *BSD, etc.
BTW, nice attempt to try to blame c++ for the bad programs too. How come plenty of other companies can make programs that don't leak memory like a sieve and that run damn fast?
> 2. When will solaris be shipped with GNOME as the default desktop?
... it is about beeing able to choose, after all. You can install Gnome on your Solaris (never did it, don't have such a box, but heard it is possible), as you can install KDE (I assume).
Well
I've been using gnome almost exclusivly under Solaris 2.6 and 8 for over a year now... been about a year and a half since I first got it running. Also had KDE working 2 years (damn, didn't realize it'd been so long) ago on the same boxes.
It's nice having choice. You should see the drastic differences in setups that are used here... some use olvwm, some CDE, some FVWm, gnome, kde, etc etc.
The brand new M700's run 2000 without a single driver needed outside of the Windows 2000 CD, with full ACPI/USB/PCMCIA support. Hard to beat that.Does Linux or BSD install?
Yes. I setup a kickstart image on 14 M700s recently for a demo. Worked like a charm.
It's not Bullshit... Have you even worked in a union job? The very first job I had was one where I _had_ to join the union (and it was the Teamsters). It did exactly as he said: I would bust my ass, and other lazy workers got promoted simply for being there a few months longer. Unions love to go by seniority, as if time at the company has anything to do with your worth as an employee.
The few guarantees that the union contract got us were little more then enough to make sure that we could pay our monthly dues (we're talking seasonal workers here). Then after quitting, the union hounded me (and a friend who quit the same day) for about 4 months trying to get us to pay dues even though when we left the job, we were automatically out of the union. The numbers on the mail we got from them about questions were never answered, and we called all times of the day.
Like a lot of things in life, the idea of unions is noble... but when reality kicks in, they suck. There's far too much corruption in them and they tend to either not benefit the workers enough, or they do more harm then good by making demands that companies can't pay for.
Damn.. how sad, he even forgot to edit all the html on his main page.
:%s/Page Creators/Trintyhost/g
The bottom paragraph of the trinityhost.com page is :
We have been around since February of 1995, our track record is proven. We're committed to customer service. You are going to get the best available; we guarantee it! We take care of our clients...PERIOD. Questions about Page Creators? ASK US !
And the ASK US is a link to itself.... LAME. He might've been using loopholes and getting cash in a way that seemed smart, but he's obviously not the brightest guy out there.
I could've done better using vi and doing a
Apple is a hardware company - they make their money on hardware - they couldn't survive as an OS house.
I don't buy that argument.. the same could be said for Sun, but they make an X86 Solaris. Why? At least partly because they know if people use it on x86 and get experience with it, they might then buy Sun computers knowing how much better it will/could be on it. There are other reasons too (so that admins who work on Sparcs can use Solaris at home too without the high cost of sparc machines), but that's one of the primary ones IMO.
Uh.. you would/could still get the info from them.. just via a faster link instead of a phone line.
... I know for absolute certain that if we stay the course now with Al Gore and do not do something to radically change the entitlement (privatize, etc) I will NOT ever by able to enjoy the benefits of the program. It just won't exist anymore.
Exactly. Anyone under 40 (hell maybe even 50) in the US, that thinks they'll get SocSec when they're 65, is deluding themselves.
How dare you assume that anyone that actually gives a shit about how THEIR hard earned income is spent by the federal government is a greedy asshole.
Exactly. I have nothing against helping people, but the current system of tax, tax, TAX.. and then waste most of it on programs that don't work is stupid. I'd prefer a strong military, which increases jobs in companies that support defense projects, and increases the need for soldiers.. let people get money through jobs and/or military service in a system like that, don't weaken our defense and pay people via welfare programs. That, and pay the enlisted men a little more so they aren't so poor.
Americans have proven themselves to be despicable today.
More like we've proven we're tired of having 40% of our hard-earned money stolen from us and wasted.
Republican's aren't perfect, and will tax too, but not as badly as the Dem's.
I tried the Solaris version of 5.5 (or whatever the lastest unix one was) and it sucked! If you wanted the same functionality (browser and a mail/news window) it used about 40% more RAM then NS... that's assuming you got that far before it hung. IE tended to hang hard usually within seconds of starting up (under 2.5.1, 2.6, and 2.8), sometimes hanging my entire X session.
It also had a nasty habit of crashing CDE at random intervals.
Personally.. I'm glad there's no IE for Linux, and even if there were, I'd stay as far away from it as I could.
The private sector discriminates against heavier IT workers because "they'll drag up our health premiums".
Don't know what you're basing that on, but there's no shortage of large people at my company.. in and out of IT (myself included).
Then again, we're probably more equally employed then any gov't group. We've got people from all over the world working here.
The money is less, but the possibilities of working on something that is actually personally interesting...
:) In fact, those of us that love computer work tend to be the best at the job. Mainly due to having more natural troubleshooting skills then those that took a course at a trade school after seeing the commercials promising, "more money then most college graduates make." Many of us learned/still learn more on our own then we ever did in any fomalized training.
You know, many of us chose IT careers because we do find computers and technology personally interesting.
Personally, I've always been a geek. Even as a little kid I always took things apart to find out how they worked. I enjoy using my brain and solving problems, and yes, a lot of the extra work I do is because I enjoy doing it or am obsessed with solving a problem I'm working on (taught myself customized Solaris jumpstart trees and custom Solaris packages over a weekend last month over just such a problem). That doesn't mean I think we shouldn't be compensated for the time we put into the job, or get taken advantage of because we happen to enjoy most of what we do. I also see the engineers that I support working ungodly hours to meet insane schedules as well.. seems to be the norm for most technical work today, not just IT.
In any case, just because you (I assume) got into IT for the money, doesn't mean we all did. Many of us love working with the latest and greatest hardware that cost more than we could ever afford. We also love having toys to play with... I mean test.
Some of us are also smart enough to not dig a hole we can't get out of by only learning one OS and/or platform. Personally, I touch Windows as little as possible, perferring the control I have over unix boxes much more (mostly Solaris but some HP, and more and more Linux as time passes). But I still make sure I know the basics in every OS I might have to touch, and I'm always willing to learn new skills.
Oh, and yes, I do get enjoyment out of figuring out some obscure hardware/software error, building a new massive farm of servers, etc. The fact that you never did clearly shows (to me anyway) why you don't miss working in IT, and likely never did belong there in the first place.
Housing is too expensive, traffic is bad
If you're worried about rising housing costs.. you don't want to come as far south as San Diego.
Housing here is getting insane too.
Traffic is getting worse everyday too.
I want to point out somthing, as techies in a tech driven industry we are paid very well. In fact when I look at my companies salary spread sheet (oops abusing sysadmin privilidges) I see that I, being out of school 3 years, am making more then some operations/business folks that have been working 5-10 years or more. Some even with MBA's.
You forget one thing: IT people tend to work a hell of a lot more then 40 hours a week. I know that everyone I work with at my company works well over 40 hours, but those MBA/business people you talk about tend to work 9 to 5 and that's it. They don't tend to work big chunks of their weekend, work oncall usually 24/7, etc.
Take your large salary and theirs and break it down to actual hours worked to find what the hourly rates work out to. You'll find that many of us in IT who have large salraies actually get paid very low by the hour in comparison. Which is why IT people are salaried so much now, companies know they're getting us for far less money then they would if they paid by the hour.. especially once OT kicks in.
You whole city is nothing but a big Navy base!
Uh.. no. Yes we have a Navy base (and a Marine one).. but the military (active and ex) population are only a drop in the bucket compared to the city (and especially county) as a whole.
However, as a prospective home buyer in SD right now.. I agree with the post you're replying too: RE prices are going through the roof here. A small sized 3br/2ba house with a tiny yard is at minimum $250k now. Unless you want to live well outside of town and deal with 1+hour drives in bumper to bumper traffic, and even then the prices are still above the national average.
San Diego is a nice place to live, but the quality of life is going downhill. Housing prices are insane, gas is some of the highest in the country, electricity is outrageous, traffic gets worse everyday... yet new housing developments open every single week.