But that's the point... nobody's suggesting (that I've seen) that MAC be some option you select in make xconfig.:-)
Especially since some sort of Trusted Linux would have to have a complete pre-configured installation, with each file given the proper capabilities, ACLs, labels, and such in advance.
Any MAC-enabled linux would have to be a specialised distribution, with a modified kernel, toolset, X server, window manager, shell, and everything.
It doesn't mean that the basic outline of the file system, programming interface, utilities, and everything can't be modified versions of the originals.
You're assuming that the stock exchange valuations are valid.
You must keep in mind that the system of publicly held corporations is not a free market. People own a company, and share in the profit, WITHOUT being liable for its actions, and its debts.
Combine that with laws basically forcing companies to focus on the short term profit (and worse, just focusing on the share price), and you get a fatally skewed model.
If you're judging open source business models based on Wall Street, you'll not get very far by me.
I have to say, I'm offended by the sudden editing out of the word Hacker.
Note that the entire post was edited, *including* the original AC submission!
Is Hacker to be to slashdot readers, what Nigger is to some other people? Is it to be a word that is "offensive" when others use it, but OK to use to each other?
I'd say that, as far as kernels go, the good old unix/posix/whatever API is the gold standard. BeOS even touts POSIX compliance.
If you want to talk GUIs, you really can't say that any one GUI API is the "Linux" API. That's one strength of linux: choice. You can use C, C++, objective c, perl, python, tcl, lisp, or one of many other languages to do real GUI programming.
Now, before saying that BeOS's C++ api is better than any Linux C++ API, try looking at Qt 2.
Regarding speed, see my "Followup Question" elsewhere in this thread.
I'm surprised that BeOS gets such an easy ride on Slashdot...
After all, it's just another closed source operating system, without good drivers, applications, games, or hardware vendor support. Be tried selling their own boxen, after all. Geek ports and all. They made hardly a splash.
About the only things BeOS has, that Linux lacks, are Firewire and a more featureful file system. (As far as I can tell, anyway.. BeOS advocates should feel free to flame on in reply to this:-)
If Linux Central or somebody sold $1.99 CDs of Be, like how I recently acquired Slackware 7, I'd give BeOS a try for kicks. I can't see why it'd be worth 5 hours of my time, or more money, though.
The requirement is artificial, based on evasion of the old consent decree, not on valid technical reasons.
If I want to use KSQL (a KDE SQL Client formerly known as KMySQL), I have to install kdelibs at the very least. That package contains such libraries as khtml, a HTML rendering KPart.
Is this an artificial requirement? KSQL is not a web browser, after all!
What I see as the artificiality here, is that Microsoft abandoned useful version numbering, so they require various little updates, to improve DLLs. And, since Internet Explorer has been declared by MS to be part of the operating system, Internet Explorer updates are a valid way to upgrade base system DLLs.
In the original D&D, races and classes were functionally equivalent.
You didn't choose a race AND a class. If you were some specialist like a wizard, that implied human. Non-human races came with their own sets of magic and other abilities.
So, it wouldn't be too far off to just call them all "classes".
The difference is, The Sonys of the world are smart enough to do things right.
All Netpliance did, to try to prevent modifications, was to reverse the pins on the onboard IDE interface. They didn't even bother to remove it entirely!
If you can find an IDE interface on a Playstation or Playstation 2, and can use a hard drive on it, I'd be surprised.
The XBox, on the other hand, might end up being useful!
I thought that Microsofties were tired of astroturf FUDing by now.
Linux's popularity right now doesn't make it suddenly dumb for people to use it.
Oh, and I have to laugh at the vague questioning of linux's security. This is a discussion of CASH REGISTERS, after all. Not even a credit card terminal. Cash registers aren't on the internet, aren't running bind/ftp/http/nsf/smb/whatever, and therefore aren't a "security" worry.
Remember the great deals one could get in California, with the MSDN bundling with a computer? Microsoft didn't bother trying to make the internet service legally bound to the computer, because they knew it was so blatantly against California law, that they with their DOJ-fighting legal department, was certain to lose.
Netpliance should try keeping up with industry news. Watch for the price of the I Opener to rise soon, as they find that the loss leader strategy will still fail.
Also watch for a failing IPO.:-)
Oh, and as far as making it tamper-proof: Keep in mind that the original hacker was able to see through their reversed IDE port. Unless they switch to an unflashable BIOS, that doesn't support hard drives, Netpliance's attempts at that will also fail, I believe.
Firaxis wants people who have been trained, in a way they believe a university can provide.
Or, Firaxis wants people who have shown a particular motivation, that completing a university degree can be a sign of.
There's no need to have a degree to get going in the industry as a whole; though. Just write your own game, make it really good, and sell it to a publisher.:-)
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But that's the point... nobody's suggesting (that I've seen) that MAC be some option you select in make xconfig. :-)
Especially since some sort of Trusted Linux would have to have a complete pre-configured installation, with each file given the proper capabilities, ACLs, labels, and such in advance.
Any MAC-enabled linux would have to be a specialised distribution, with a modified kernel, toolset, X server, window manager, shell, and everything.
It doesn't mean that the basic outline of the file system, programming interface, utilities, and everything can't be modified versions of the originals.
You're assuming that the stock exchange valuations are valid.
You must keep in mind that the system of publicly held corporations is not a free market. People own a company, and share in the profit, WITHOUT being liable for its actions, and its debts.
Combine that with laws basically forcing companies to focus on the short term profit (and worse, just focusing on the share price), and you get a fatally skewed model.
If you're judging open source business models based on Wall Street, you'll not get very far by me.
Try reading at Score: 1 or higher.
:-)
You miss most of the junk that way.
It's much better than just complaining.
Well.. if the story submission has errors, don't quote it!
But, whatever is done, mis-representing what is sent, to me seems far worse than anything else, for a "news" site.
How does any argument about definitions justify CT editing the text of an article submission?
CT should have just eliminated the AC quote, if he wanted to remove the word Hacker.
Misrepresentations are no fun. What if it had been a registered user's submission, instead of an AC's?
I have to say, I'm offended by the sudden editing out of the word Hacker.
Note that the entire post was edited, *including* the original AC submission!
Is Hacker to be to slashdot readers, what Nigger is to some other people? Is it to be a word that is "offensive" when others use it, but OK to use to each other?
Kindly define for me the Linux API.
I'd say that, as far as kernels go, the good old unix/posix/whatever API is the gold standard. BeOS even touts POSIX compliance.
If you want to talk GUIs, you really can't say that any one GUI API is the "Linux" API. That's one strength of linux: choice. You can use C, C++, objective c, perl, python, tcl, lisp, or one of many other languages to do real GUI programming.
Now, before saying that BeOS's C++ api is better than any Linux C++ API, try looking at Qt 2.
Regarding speed, see my "Followup Question" elsewhere in this thread.
Besides the fact that drivers, apps, games, and hardware vendor support are all far better for linux, than for BeOS....
You changed one word: you changed closed, to open.
Linux has a *larger* group of users, interested in getting things to work, simply because it's open.
Try subscribing to linux-kernel, kde-devel, or any other big linux mailing list, to see it in action.
That's the difference between BeOS and Linux. That's why slashdot readers favor linux over BeOS, in the majority.
People tout BeOS's speed... but I wonder if it's just a UI look and feel issue, due to BeOS not having the overhead that X does.
Has anyone objectively benchmarked BeOS SMP performance vs. Windows NT, Linux 2.2/2.3, (insert your favorite)BSD, Solaris x86, etc.?
Funny that someone the time to moderate me a "troll", although I clearly did at least *some* research before spouting off.
Though, Mr. First post suckers!!! above was clearly, in the opinion of that moderator, clearly ontopic.
I'm surprised that BeOS gets such an easy ride on Slashdot...
:-)
After all, it's just another closed source operating system, without good drivers, applications, games, or hardware vendor support. Be tried selling their own boxen, after all. Geek ports and all. They made hardly a splash.
About the only things BeOS has, that Linux lacks, are Firewire and a more featureful file system. (As far as I can tell, anyway.. BeOS advocates should feel free to flame on in reply to this
If Linux Central or somebody sold $1.99 CDs of Be, like how I recently acquired Slackware 7, I'd give BeOS a try for kicks. I can't see why it'd be worth 5 hours of my time, or more money, though.
The requirement is artificial, based on evasion of the old consent decree, not on valid technical reasons.
If I want to use KSQL (a KDE SQL Client formerly known as KMySQL), I have to install kdelibs at the very least. That package contains such libraries as khtml, a HTML rendering KPart.
Is this an artificial requirement? KSQL is not a web browser, after all!
What I see as the artificiality here, is that Microsoft abandoned useful version numbering, so they require various little updates, to improve DLLs. And, since Internet Explorer has been declared by MS to be part of the operating system, Internet Explorer updates are a valid way to upgrade base system DLLs.
Willie: Hand over the hose (pronounced to rhyme with noose)
Nelson: The moose? (as he sprays Willie with the hose some more)
Willie: I said turn off that nozzle (pronounced like noo-zle)
Yes, there is a technical requirement.
Microsoft, first of all, uses parts of the IE engine for documentation.
Second, they use parts of IE engine for ActiveX.
Third, they use parts of it for connectivity libraries.
Code reuse. Ever heard of it?
In the original D&D, races and classes were functionally equivalent.
:-)
You didn't choose a race AND a class. If you were some specialist like a wizard, that implied human. Non-human races came with their own sets of magic and other abilities.
So, it wouldn't be too far off to just call them all "classes".
Is it wrong, to nitpick a nitpick?
People in these discussions don't seem to distinguish between malcicious code, and a virus.
A virus, is a program that spreads, often doing malicious things as it spreads.
It doesn't matter if the install portion of a makefile did an rm -rf, or something.. that won't spread! That's simply a case of malicious code.
And, considering that most people who don't know better, end up using distribution-packaged binaries, that won't ever be a problem in the near future.
The difference is, The Sonys of the world are smart enough to do things right.
All Netpliance did, to try to prevent modifications, was to reverse the pins on the onboard IDE interface. They didn't even bother to remove it entirely!
If you can find an IDE interface on a Playstation or Playstation 2, and can use a hard drive on it, I'd be surprised.
The XBox, on the other hand, might end up being useful!
And, since the campus is so small, it's not hard to get a good .caltech.edu domain for your desktop server :-)
I certainly hope you meant that as a joke, because I read it as one, and loved it. :-)
I thought that Microsofties were tired of astroturf FUDing by now.
Linux's popularity right now doesn't make it suddenly dumb for people to use it.
Oh, and I have to laugh at the vague questioning of linux's security. This is a discussion of CASH REGISTERS, after all. Not even a credit card terminal. Cash registers aren't on the internet, aren't running bind/ftp/http/nsf/smb/whatever, and therefore aren't a "security" worry.
I wonder if they'll use CVS versions of anything :-)
*Does* WebTV, or DirectTV, require you to subscribe to their service?
The whole reason Netpliance is having trouble, is that people are findnig uses for their hardware, outside of the montly subscription.
Have similar hacks come out for WebTV, or DirectTV, that make the hardware very attractive and usable, without the content subscription?
Remember the great deals one could get in California, with the MSDN bundling with a computer? Microsoft didn't bother trying to make the internet service legally bound to the computer, because they knew it was so blatantly against California law, that they with their DOJ-fighting legal department, was certain to lose.
:-)
Netpliance should try keeping up with industry news. Watch for the price of the I Opener to rise soon, as they find that the loss leader strategy will still fail.
Also watch for a failing IPO.
Oh, and as far as making it tamper-proof: Keep in mind that the original hacker was able to see through their reversed IDE port. Unless they switch to an unflashable BIOS, that doesn't support hard drives, Netpliance's attempts at that will also fail, I believe.
Firaxis wants people who have been trained, in a way they believe a university can provide.
:-)
Or, Firaxis wants people who have shown a particular motivation, that completing a university degree can be a sign of.
There's no need to have a degree to get going in the industry as a whole; though. Just write your own game, make it really good, and sell it to a publisher.
Yes, I'm being optimistic. Sue me.
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www.ctc.123hostme.com
ads.1for1.com
www.adbucks.com
www.adclub.net
ads.admonitor.net
a8.g.akamaitech.net
ads.web.aol.com
[ many hosts and domains snipped, including *.doubleclick.com]
bannervip.webjump.com
ads.ztnet.com
# LA Times and others
*.*/RealMedia
# CNN, C|Net.. etc
*.*/adclick.html
*.*/adclick
*.*/ads
*.*/Ads
*.*/*/banners
*.*/BannerAds
*.*/banner1.gif
*.*/groupbanners.phtml
# the nation
*.thenation.com/images/aj
# slashdot.org
209.207.224.220
# salon.com
208.178.101.41
208.178.101.42
208.178.101.43
208.178.101.44
208.178.101.45
~> cat
slashdot.org
slashcode.com
www.fcmail.com
>yahoo.com
>baiting.org
# note that putting a > means no new cookies will be accepted, but old ones will be reported back (useful to be able to play yahoo games, but avoid yahoo ad tracking