All we need now are: 1) references to the McDonalds coffee lawsuit 2) SCO jokes 3) a comparison to Falling down at Walmart 4) Posts bemoaning the loss of Goatse
And it'll be a typical Wednesday morning on Slashdot!
So, like a slow-ass 256 MB? Don't tell me you got a 12x speed for $50... (not talking about deals from new egg, I'm talking about instore purchases, like Best Buy and Compusa) and I know you didn't get a 24x for $50.
Oh I'm not complaining about the tactic, I'm just trying to put the right "label" that describes the tactic. Hey, if I intended to spend $250 and walked out spending twice that much, thats my own damn fault!
Then maybe you are a better programmer than I was.
I support everything you say in your post- its all true. Perl IS a great general purpose language.
But when I went to knock off a quick script that would take text input and chop things at 80 chars per line and add line numbers, I had a dickens of a time remembering my perl and getting it to work. (it wasn't chopping properly) Without opening a manual I was able knock out a quick awk script to do the same.
I'm not saying awk is better, I'm saying for simple text parsing FOR ME, awk is easier. And thats because I mostly use C and ADA (With some assembly thrown in for good measure) these days. I know a handful of shell scripting tricks and have my usual shell scripts that I make minor modifications to, and thats it.
So for someone who doesn't use perl all the time (if I tried to use it as often as possible, that would amount to at most, 5% of my time. Probably less) I find it a PITA, even though a lot of its oddities are present in other scripting languages.
Only $250! But the CompactFlash is so small as to be stupid. And you'll need a case. And some rechargeable batteries. And an AC adapter. And a docking station. And... After its all over, you just spent $500 on something that costs $225.
I guess thats the new Bait and switch? Or can you come up with a better name for it? (upselling?)
what you want it to do -- friggin time.
well, only if you are using mod_perl...;)
I am sorry but if you are disciplined enough to write tight code always, it matters shit little what language you use.
I can't agree. I've had some perl programs that were measly hundreds of lines of code. Strict pragma all the way. A couple of not-so-tricky RegEx's. The kid who "inherited it" couldn't figure it out so the project got shelved.
I see kloc upon kloc of ADA code... and even "Confusing" state machine loops are a breeze (in comparison to understand. (that being said I find Text parsing in ADA to be a PITA and I'd rather do it in C!!! And I HATE text parsing in C!)
Call it a dumbing down for the coding masses, and I won't disgaree with you. But for large project management and areas with high turnover or no "component experts" (the guy who designed and wrote it left) there are languages that are just easier to read. A lot of that has to do with coding standards and style. But enough also relies upon the language itself. Some people get confused when they see: My_array[ index++] = 12;/* a lil' C for ya */
because you are doing two things at once. Should they be able to understand that? Absofrigginlutely. But if they don't have to worry about semantics, they can get right down to the domain specific problems with the code ("uhm, your code sets the webserver on fire. Stop that.").
As for SNMP dumps, perl is nice cuz it can open the sockets and get the data. But if you gave me a dump ofthe data, I'd just as soon use awk to parse it out for off-line problem determination.
me worrying if I put a fucking tab in the right place.
Good luck. The Camel Book is a great resource, too.
The secret to perl: In other programming languages, when the compiler can't figure out what you are doing, it cries and gives you a cryptic error message.
In Perl, the compiler narrows it down to a few choices, flips a coin, and goes with one interpretation. Never mind that it wasn't what you intended! Frequent use of debug statements and USE STRICT pragma and USE WARNINGS pragma should help your code.
Thats funny, my advise was a complete 180 of yours!
I think all your points are completely valid. However for Volume 2 (which appears to be web stuff) its nice to see some code that does it. It gets you up and running. Then later on you can decide if you want to parse everything by hand crafted regular expression pattern matches, or relegate the grunt work to some module you Dl'd off of CPAN.
Between TPJ and the Camel book I had enough to get my hands dirty and start writing some good code. I also lurked on comp.lang.perl and perl.moderated (once it split off), but that was more useful for esoteric finer points.
ADA is most definitely not gobbledygook. And Perl is one of the worst offenders of gobbledygook.
I'm so out of the Perl loop that if I just need to do some text parsing, I'll use AWK every day over Perl. Understand, of course, that Perl is more than just text parsing; its truly the duct-tape of the web...
YES. While learning perl hands on, I found a bunch of TPJs to be invaluable resources. Heck, I've still got a bunch kicking around (one or two that were pre-glossy covered), thats how useful they are. If I ever need to Perl again, I've got them as references.
I'd skip volume 3 (sounds kinda silly) unless you are a completist. Volume 2 sounds like the most useful and valuable- sure the article on Regular Expressions was GOOD, (I think I only read the first one) and understanding Perl internals would be a bonus, but the code examples of the web stuff is the best bet for my money.
So get (or borrow) Volume 2, if you like, get Volume 1, and if you become a raving perl maniac, have someone get you Vol 3 for a birthday present.
I guess its news that a kid got some free-isht out of Microsoft... (including his legal fees), so that makes Microsoft better than the RIAA, but... this boils down to "individual transfers URL to company for some money." Is this really that newsworthy?
yep. It got IR (or whatever) info form the screen, and would move these spinny discs onto the blue and red spots. THe blue and red spots had the "player 2" controller underneath it, and would press the A and B buttons respectively.
Gyromite was a LOT more fun to play without that damn robot.
ack. I have to do this, too! (box of memories crapping out in the basement...)
I haven't looked in a couple of years (yeah, like since 99'!) but there are companies on the web who will "lovingly" (read:expensively) transfer your super 8's to VHS/DVD. If you can find a home-brew solution I'd be very interested, too!
As a teenager in the early 90's NOT hearing what anyone else said was EXACTLY the reason for having a walkman! I didn't want outside contact! I wanted angst.
If its one thing we slashdotters have seen time and time again, its that nature can be improved upon. I mean, kidney stones and colon cancer are but two examples of someone in the design department sleeping at the wheel!
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And I warned the "On Duty" editor, but i guess they're just asleep at the wheel.
All we need now are:
1) references to the McDonalds coffee lawsuit
2) SCO jokes
3) a comparison to Falling down at Walmart
4) Posts bemoaning the loss of Goatse
And it'll be a typical Wednesday morning on Slashdot!
HAHA! You have a jack russel terrier named Bono! Thats even better than the real thing!
P.S.- make the woman work while you stay home, take care of the kids (since you are washed up) and browse pron all day.
I spent $500 for a $225 Canon Powershot.
;)
So, NO, its not off.
Maybe you just bought the cheap stuff
CF card (a big one, too) for $50.
So, like a slow-ass 256 MB? Don't tell me you got a 12x speed for $50... (not talking about deals from new egg, I'm talking about instore purchases, like Best Buy and Compusa) and I know you didn't get a 24x for $50.
Free AAC codecs on the web, free converters, convert to wav, or mp3, or WMA (why?!), and you are ready to go.
If you can use AOL, you can convert your stuff.
Oh I'm not complaining about the tactic, I'm just trying to put the right "label" that describes the tactic. Hey, if I intended to spend $250 and walked out spending twice that much, thats my own damn fault!
Their comment was that it was very easy to read.
Then maybe you are a better programmer than I was.
I support everything you say in your post- its all true. Perl IS a great general purpose language.
But when I went to knock off a quick script that would take text input and chop things at 80 chars per line and add line numbers, I had a dickens of a time remembering my perl and getting it to work. (it wasn't chopping properly) Without opening a manual I was able knock out a quick awk script to do the same.
I'm not saying awk is better, I'm saying for simple text parsing FOR ME, awk is easier. And thats because I mostly use C and ADA (With some assembly thrown in for good measure) these days. I know a handful of shell scripting tricks and have my usual shell scripts that I make minor modifications to, and thats it.
So for someone who doesn't use perl all the time (if I tried to use it as often as possible, that would amount to at most, 5% of my time. Probably less) I find it a PITA, even though a lot of its oddities are present in other scripting languages.
Thats like digital cameras these days.
Only $250! But the CompactFlash is so small as to be stupid. And you'll need a case. And some rechargeable batteries. And an AC adapter. And a docking station. And...
After its all over, you just spent $500 on something that costs $225.
I guess thats the new Bait and switch? Or can you come up with a better name for it? (upselling?)
No- 2GB. Why? We were all expecting a cheap player. As such, we didn't expect a cheap player to hold too much.
When you are expecting lower prices, you expect lower specs.
touche'.
/. doesn't support accents)
(that apostrophe is an attempt at an accent.
yeah, because newspapers don't have ANY annoying advertisements...
[/sarcasm]
Ditto. 'Cept you had to spell everything phonetically. Hearing it "mis-pronounce" english was pretty fun.
could this be what you are reffering too? Either that or Switched-On Bach, also by Wendy Carlos.
and I thought "fitter, happier" WAS a Macintosh?
what you want it to do -- friggin time. ;)
/* a lil' C for ya */
well, only if you are using mod_perl...
I am sorry but if you are disciplined enough to write tight code always, it matters shit little what language you use.
I can't agree. I've had some perl programs that were measly hundreds of lines of code. Strict pragma all the way. A couple of not-so-tricky RegEx's. The kid who "inherited it" couldn't figure it out so the project got shelved.
I see kloc upon kloc of ADA code... and even "Confusing" state machine loops are a breeze (in comparison to understand.
(that being said I find Text parsing in ADA to be a PITA and I'd rather do it in C!!! And I HATE text parsing in C!)
Call it a dumbing down for the coding masses, and I won't disgaree with you. But for large project management and areas with high turnover or no "component experts" (the guy who designed and wrote it left) there are languages that are just easier to read. A lot of that has to do with coding standards and style. But enough also relies upon the language itself. Some people get confused when they see:
My_array[ index++] = 12;
because you are doing two things at once. Should they be able to understand that? Absofrigginlutely. But if they don't have to worry about semantics, they can get right down to the domain specific problems with the code ("uhm, your code sets the webserver on fire. Stop that.").
As for SNMP dumps, perl is nice cuz it can open the sockets and get the data. But if you gave me a dump ofthe data, I'd just as soon use awk to parse it out for off-line problem determination.
me worrying if I put a fucking tab in the right place.
GOD, I detest makefiles!
Good luck.
The Camel Book is a great resource, too.
The secret to perl:
In other programming languages, when the compiler can't figure out what you are doing, it cries and gives you a cryptic error message.
In Perl, the compiler narrows it down to a few choices, flips a coin, and goes with one interpretation. Never mind that it wasn't what you intended! Frequent use of debug statements and USE STRICT pragma and USE WARNINGS pragma should help your code.
Thats funny, my advise was a complete 180 of yours!
I think all your points are completely valid. However for Volume 2 (which appears to be web stuff) its nice to see some code that does it. It gets you up and running. Then later on you can decide if you want to parse everything by hand crafted regular expression pattern matches, or relegate the grunt work to some module you Dl'd off of CPAN.
Between TPJ and the Camel book I had enough to get my hands dirty and start writing some good code. I also lurked on comp.lang.perl and perl.moderated (once it split off), but that was more useful for esoteric finer points.
ADA is most definitely not gobbledygook. And Perl is one of the worst offenders of gobbledygook.
I'm so out of the Perl loop that if I just need to do some text parsing, I'll use AWK every day over Perl. Understand, of course, that Perl is more than just text parsing; its truly the duct-tape of the web...
YES. While learning perl hands on, I found a bunch of TPJs to be invaluable resources. Heck, I've still got a bunch kicking around (one or two that were pre-glossy covered), thats how useful they are. If I ever need to Perl again, I've got them as references.
I'd skip volume 3 (sounds kinda silly) unless you are a completist. Volume 2 sounds like the most useful and valuable- sure the article on Regular Expressions was GOOD, (I think I only read the first one) and understanding Perl internals would be a bonus, but the code examples of the web stuff is the best bet for my money.
So get (or borrow) Volume 2, if you like, get Volume 1, and if you become a raving perl maniac, have someone get you Vol 3 for a birthday present.
I guess its news that a kid got some free-isht out of Microsoft... (including his legal fees), so that makes Microsoft better than the RIAA, but... this boils down to "individual transfers URL to company for some money." Is this really that newsworthy?
Question, when you (or anyone, really) goes to the pub, do they get a pint? Or do they get a litre?
And by your own admission, you still use miles.
However, I agree. I think its time the US went bi-modal, allowing a gradual transition to metric.
Haha! That's a good one, dude!
yep. It got IR (or whatever) info form the screen, and would move these spinny discs onto the blue and red spots. THe blue and red spots had the "player 2" controller underneath it, and would press the A and B buttons respectively.
Gyromite was a LOT more fun to play without that damn robot.
I remember seeing ads for those in GFTPM!(guitar for the practicing musician, for those that don't know)
ack. I have to do this, too! (box of memories crapping out in the basement...)
I haven't looked in a couple of years (yeah, like since 99'!) but there are companies on the web who will "lovingly" (read:expensively) transfer your super 8's to VHS/DVD. If you can find a home-brew solution I'd be very interested, too!
As a teenager in the early 90's NOT hearing what anyone else said was EXACTLY the reason for having a walkman! I didn't want outside contact! I wanted angst.
If its one thing we slashdotters have seen time and time again, its that nature can be improved upon. I mean, kidney stones and colon cancer are but two examples of someone in the design department sleeping at the wheel!