and I am no different. I speak to people rapidly and fluidly, as we all do, and use words with meanings which are in turn largely derived from the common useage of people around me.
It has to be this way or you'll end up talking about the meaning of words instead of communicating what you meant to communicate.
Technically, what I said was wrong (but I knew the technical difference myself) , but conversationally, most people understood me as I intended to be understood and that's the whole point of communication.
In this particular context, maybe I should have broken it out because slashdotters are more technically literate (a good thing) and sometimes more literal (a BAD thing) than the average person.
Come on read the thread. Grado is being praised by people here too. It's highly cynical to think that all stereophile magazine reviews are just pro-forma, praise-buckets bought and paid for by the industry
Yeah but you get what I am referring to, because earlier I myself explained to another poster that digital was, well digital and analog was analog. "Digital music" in the sense I meant it and in the sense it's being used commonly nowadays really means "downloaded digital music" in distinction to CDs.
So you have a point, but it displays an Asperger's-like obsession with the exact meaning of words while disregarding words as they're actually used and meant within the cultural context of the speakers and listeners. So it doesn't count.
Also Smedley's "war is a racket" is a very very famous quote and you wont' find many people online who haven't heard of it. BTW this was the guy who asserted there was a plot against FDR.
I support freedom, not democracy. I don't think we are prepared to start the type of democratic republic that could benefit a free people.
Oh so you have a plan to realize freedom without democracy?
social welfare states/causes, our "modern" views on education and the so-called right to a state-provided one.
Really, we don't need to provide education to everyone? Really? And what would be the follow on consequences of this?
I have to tell you whenever I hear someone start in about "currency inflation" I think "Ron Paul-ite" and just shut down. Prove that we have currency inflation. How much money should there be in circulation and how do you know that? Maybe we need more money because more people are coming into 1st world status and more people need money. How do you know? A HUGE amount of US bills aren't even held in the US at all. We don't have runaway inflation as predicted by Fed haters, so where's the beef?
Just because we didn't go after Saudi Arabia and the hijackers were form there, what does that imply or prove? Nothing. These are half formed jingoistc thoughts ripped from reading conspiracy web pages. Be serious. Be serious in life and think seriously about things. My advice to you.
How do you elect to mod a comment up? I just occasionally see invitations to rate a selection of randomly chosen comments which I can mod up or down (on threads I have not participated in)...
And you're over here AC! My god , he's everywhere! He's everywhere!
Audio CD is not "sonically perfect". Actually they sound pretty shit compared to what ALAC and FLAC are capable of.
Except there is no recording available to the questioner of the original 24 studio recording for most music and "mastered for iTunes is lossy and yes, you can hear it (well, maybe not YOU)
If the implication there, that we haven't been treating our portable, compressed audio files with proper care, makes you think that Apple is finally moving toward a hi-def format, you'd be wrong. Instead, the company is asking bands and their labels to submit songs to the store that are encoded as AAC files directly from the original, 24-bit studio recordings.
In Apple's calculation, mastering a song or album "for iTunes" means that it'll sound better while remaining just as portable as the encoded files we're accustomed to packing by the thousands onto our phones and mobile devices.
The piece then goes on to say that "mastered for iTunes just means "given tools to make the 24 bit studio recording sound better when it's compressed into the standard apple ACC format . So it sounds "better" the way the Dolby button makes things "sound better", which is to say with a lot of artifacts added that some people find compelling . I leave that button "off" myself.
So until studios start saving the recordings to Apple's lossless format - which is NOT what "Mastered for iTunes" means -, the poster is going to have to be comparing 16 bit CDs to lossy formats.
I have sat in the studio while professional music was being performed and and recorded. Something is lost from the performance even in 24 bit. 24 bit does sound better than CDs but unless you have the master tapes to burn to FLAC, it's a moot point.
Some bands are releasing true 24 bit recordings on their own. Most music is not available in the original 24 bit and re-recording it INTO 24 bit is not going to improve it.
ALAC is as good as FLAC sonically. I meant to say ACC and typed the wrong thing. My bad and I stand corrected.
I hope this thread helps the OP. To the many faces of AC who just can't resist being freaking nassssty over trifling things , well the cure for you is structural and in place already; that's what the 0 by your comment is there for...
This is an old debate between digital and analog. The truth is, digital bits being put together are beyond the ability of the human ear to discern. What people like about analog, it's warmth, is a reaction to the imperfections that analog introduces, even though, yes, it's a continuous waveform and therefore potentially "more perfect:" than digital.
It's an old old argument form , like the 80s and I am not going to go carry it forward beyond explaining the basics of it to people who have never heard it which is what I just did.
Ahh...my old nemisis, AC, so... you're interested in headphones TOO???
Yeah you're right, they're really widely considered to be just so-so...
"The SR325s are easily the flattest, most accurate sounding phones tested, for critical monitoring, the Grados are hard to beat. Of all the phones tested, the SR325s were the only headphones I felt trustworthy enough for mixing."
"...the engineer I assisted preferred the Grado's diamond-like 'clarity and cut' to the sound of the Sennheiser HD-650s."
-- John Marks / stereophile, vol.28 no 6
"...speakers of similar sonic ability as the 325i would set you back at least three grand"
--What Hi-fi
"...the degree of insight these headphones offer into sounds is really very impressive. This is high quality music reproduction, thoroughly deserving of serious attention."
--Richard Black / Hi-FiChoice magazine
"This headphone has something magic: a rare musicality that preserves the natural elegance of the music. The medium is refreshing, natural and sensual. The richness of the harmonics in the medium pulls you in. The instruments have a credible texture. The spectral balance is good. The timbres are rich and at time exceptional. The definition is flawless; the music keeps its nuances and richness of expression."
If you want to have a full blown no holds barred freaking audiophile experience worthy of a 10,000 home set up, walking down the street here's how you do it:
1) Never listen to any music you buy from Apple or same. They compress the music until it's shit and no, their ALAC isn't worth a damn:
No really, you don't have to have golden ears to hear the difference. Either take the time to burn tracks from CDs into a totally loss-less format like FLAC or do what I do and screw digital music for now, it's not ready for prime time- buy used CDs they're literally sonically perfect, (even too perfect for some vinyl lovers).
Get yourself a portable, skipless CD player (which are sadly getting hard to get in decent quality anymore) and pair it with the most expensive version of this headphone you can afford, new or used,
disregarding entirely the in-ear variety because you said you want something *really* good.
I own the SR325is and it blows everything else away including the highest end Bose (junk) Sennheisers etc etc etc.
The separation of the sound and incredible detail is nothing you're going to experience this side of $6,000-a -pair home speakers. If you've been listening to digital audio, you've never even HEARD whole parts of the recording.. literally you'll hear things in the music, like, percussion parts, you didn't even know were there
.
Not to mention the actual quality and timbre of the vocalist's voice.
Is this the same Nicola Brookes from Brighton who was recently photographed fucking goats up the ass while wearing a nun's habit and reading the NAMBLA manifesto aloud to school boys?
Or is that a different Nicola Brookes from Birghton?
OK I am taking this from memory , but back around 2002 there used to be a website called , I think, Eliyon (don't take my memory as infallible here) which offered up profiles of people including, I distinctly remember, very personal stuff which could only be inferences about their characters, like, oh, the fact that they might be addicted to masturbation.
Apparently this would have been gleaned, I really have no idea, from information from porn websites or chat room logs, in some sort of arrangement with them one supposes. I read a sample profile and truly just thought "wow, that's where this is all going to.... Huh." It never occurred to me that it might somehow be illegal or, you know , libelous.
Since then I then, I finished growing my brain and realized "holy shit, who WAS that? I've tried to use the Wayback machine to get to the site but it doesn't appear in the same way I saw it (how long it was up and presenting itself in that way I truly have no idea ) .
What it's lead me to wonder is this: OK so this company in this piece is going to get slapped and learn it's lesson about advertising to everyone willy nilly, but what do companies collect and pass make available to each other on "black sites" which go straight into some nameless,protected server "out there"? I can't believe they don't do this- it just stands to reason they would if they thought they could encode it and keep their hands clean via plausible deniability.
I know the police do this, or did at least.
I also know there are services which will try to bust employers talking smack about, and give you the transcript, to what they think is another employer or recruiter for instance,
For example, a new report linked to by the site claims that ACTA could "boost European output by a total of 50 billion (euro), and create as many as 960,000 new jobs."
How can you tell when a politician or special interest group is lying?
When they start talking about all the jobs their new laws will create.
. We scrutinize our motivations and search for relevant reasons; we lament our mistakes to therapists and ruminate on the beliefs that led us astray. The problem with this... is that the driving forces behind biasesâ"the root causes of our irrationalityâ"are largely unconscious, which means they remain invisible to self-analysis and impermeable to intelligence....blinding us to those primal processes responsible for many of our everyday failings.
Uh, I think a therapist would tell you that's why you need them.
It's amusing to watch "serious thinkers" labor under the seemingly self-imposed restriction that basically says "all important things come down to money.". Apparently , this is the only way to taken seriously in America today- do a "we' re all economically interdependent " jig ala Thomas Friedman -who turns out is wrong-o on, like, a regular basis:
Look, one thing that unites us at least as much as money is porn. Porn porn porn. The porn the Navy seals found in bin Laden's son hard drive. It's non-trivial. The world view that women are fundamentally non-sexual or worse, a kind of livestock to be owned, collected, traded and bred, is not going to survive the Great Porn Onslaught coming from developed nations. You can't be exposed to image after image of two chicks fucking each other with gigantic purple gel dildos while one guy fucks one up the ass and the other administers a deep-throated, lipstick-perfect blowjob to a tanned and muscled Mr. 10 inches and continue to see the sight of a woman's bare ankle, or hair or uncovered mouth as a dangerously provocative sight.
And then there's the flood of pages questioning religion through everything from mockery to lists of holy book contradictions and ridiculous assertions to sane and sober dismemberment of core religious tenets .
As far as China goes, knowledge of what the West had started with TV and now is spreading into the areas of the intellectual, political and associational freedoms people in western nations enjoy. These are the things that change nations by changing people's perceptions, one person at a time, sitting alone in front of their computer, reading something forbidden, exhilarated at the ideas being encountered and idealizing what life might be like to live in a country where men and women were able to speak so freely.
Or whacking off to dirty Tumblr-after-dark pictures.
Google is;always everyone's friend. Summarizing your argument, often including excerpts, and always providing a link, is the minimum bar for fact-based points.
Slashdot Mirror
Err bad link to you earlier, here's another one that is much more on topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory
Because people use type 1 thinking to express themselves in daily intercourse
http://www.unc.edu/courses/2010spring/psyc/433/001/tutorials/leonard.html
and I am no different. I speak to people rapidly and fluidly, as we all do, and use words with meanings which are in turn largely derived from the common useage of people around me.
It has to be this way or you'll end up talking about the meaning of words instead of communicating what you meant to communicate.
Technically, what I said was wrong (but I knew the technical difference myself) , but conversationally, most people understood me as I intended to be understood and that's the whole point of communication.
In this particular context, maybe I should have broken it out because slashdotters are more technically literate (a good thing) and sometimes more literal (a BAD thing) than the average person.
*shurgs*.
Come on read the thread. Grado is being praised by people here too. It's highly cynical to think that all stereophile magazine reviews are just pro-forma, praise-buckets bought and paid for by the industry
Yeah but you get what I am referring to, because earlier I myself explained to another poster that digital was, well digital and analog was analog. "Digital music" in the sense I meant it and in the sense it's being used commonly nowadays really means "downloaded digital music" in distinction to CDs.
So you have a point, but it displays an Asperger's-like obsession with the exact meaning of words while disregarding words as they're actually used and meant within the cultural context of the speakers and listeners. So it doesn't count.
I corrected myself later in response to another poster.. I meant to have typed ACC
Also Smedley's "war is a racket" is a very very famous quote and you wont' find many people online who haven't heard of it. BTW this was the guy who asserted there was a plot against FDR.
First my b's are important and you didn't argue over them so you accept them? Just asking.
Second , I think we're defending ourselves rather well since no one has gotten through since 9-11 and that's been a decade now.
I get your distinction with your desire to and will to but the words are so close you should find another way to express the idea.
I support freedom, not democracy. I don't think we are prepared to start the type of democratic republic that could benefit a free people.
Oh so you have a plan to realize freedom without democracy?
social welfare states/causes, our "modern" views on education and the so-called right to a state-provided one.
Really, we don't need to provide education to everyone? Really? And what would be the follow on consequences of this?
I have to tell you whenever I hear someone start in about "currency inflation" I think "Ron Paul-ite" and just shut down. Prove that we have currency inflation. How much money should there be in circulation and how do you know that? Maybe we need more money because more people are coming into 1st world status and more people need money. How do you know? A HUGE amount of US bills aren't even held in the US at all. We don't have runaway inflation as predicted by Fed haters, so where's the beef?
Just because we didn't go after Saudi Arabia and the hijackers were form there, what does that imply or prove? Nothing. These are half formed jingoistc thoughts ripped from reading conspiracy web pages. Be serious. Be serious in life and think seriously about things. My advice to you.
No troll. This is what I have concluded based on what has been available and Neil Young agrees with me about lossy formats.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/neil-young-mp3-dsd-digital-music-audio,news-14088.html
So there!
I've heard the Senns and I thought they were colored so there ya go !
Staxs also make good headphones, you're right.
How do you elect to mod a comment up? I just occasionally see invitations to rate a selection of randomly chosen comments which I can mod up or down (on threads I have not participated in) ...
Audio CD is not "sonically perfect". Actually they sound pretty shit compared to what ALAC and FLAC are capable of.
Except there is no recording available to the questioner of the original 24 studio recording for most music and "mastered for iTunes is lossy and yes, you can hear it (well, maybe not YOU)
From http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2012/02/24/147379760/what-mastered-for-itunes-really-means
If the implication there, that we haven't been treating our portable, compressed audio files with proper care, makes you think that Apple is finally moving toward a hi-def format, you'd be wrong. Instead, the company is asking bands and their labels to submit songs to the store that are encoded as AAC files directly from the original, 24-bit studio recordings.
In Apple's calculation, mastering a song or album "for iTunes" means that it'll sound better while remaining just as portable as the encoded files we're accustomed to packing by the thousands onto our phones and mobile devices.
The piece then goes on to say that "mastered for iTunes just means "given tools to make the 24 bit studio recording sound better when it's compressed into the standard apple ACC format . So it sounds "better" the way the Dolby button makes things "sound better", which is to say with a lot of artifacts added that some people find compelling . I leave that button "off" myself.
So until studios start saving the recordings to Apple's lossless format - which is NOT what "Mastered for iTunes" means -, the poster is going to have to be comparing 16 bit CDs to lossy formats.
I have sat in the studio while professional music was being performed and and recorded. Something is lost from the performance even in 24 bit. 24 bit does sound better than CDs but unless you have the master tapes to burn to FLAC, it's a moot point. Some bands are releasing true 24 bit recordings on their own. Most music is not available in the original 24 bit and re-recording it INTO 24 bit is not going to improve it.
ALAC is as good as FLAC sonically. I meant to say ACC and typed the wrong thing. My bad and I stand corrected.
I hope this thread helps the OP. To the many faces of AC who just can't resist being freaking nassssty over trifling things , well the cure for you is structural and in place already; that's what the 0 by your comment is there for...
It's an old old argument form , like the 80s and I am not going to go carry it forward beyond explaining the basics of it to people who have never heard it which is what I just did.
Good day to you sir.
Yeah you're right, they're really widely considered to be just so-so...
"The SR325s are easily the flattest, most accurate sounding phones tested, for critical monitoring, the Grados are hard to beat. Of all the phones tested, the SR325s were the only headphones I felt trustworthy enough for mixing."
--Pro Audio Review / Vol. 4, No. 6 / Loren Alldrin
"Winner of Audio Video's "GRAND PRIX AWARD"
-- Audio magazine / Vol. 82, No. 6 / John Gatski
"...the engineer I assisted preferred the Grado's diamond-like 'clarity and cut' to the sound of the Sennheiser HD-650s."
-- John Marks / stereophile, vol.28 no 6
"...speakers of similar sonic ability as the 325i would set you back at least three grand"
--What Hi-fi
"...the degree of insight these headphones offer into sounds is really very impressive. This is high quality music reproduction, thoroughly deserving of serious attention."
--Richard Black / Hi-FiChoice magazine
"This headphone has something magic: a rare musicality that preserves the natural elegance of the music. The medium is refreshing, natural and sensual. The richness of the harmonics in the medium pulls you in. The instruments have a credible texture. The spectral balance is good. The timbres are rich and at time exceptional. The definition is flawless; the music keeps its nuances and richness of expression."
--Diapason magazine / France
How technology promotes whirled peas:
http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Waring-PBB209-Professional-Bar-Blender/4107234/product.html
If you want to have a full blown no holds barred freaking audiophile experience worthy of a 10,000 home set up, walking down the street here's how you do it:
1) Never listen to any music you buy from Apple or same. They compress the music until it's shit and no, their ALAC isn't worth a damn:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison#Comparison_Table
No really, you don't have to have golden ears to hear the difference. Either take the time to burn tracks from CDs into a totally loss-less format like FLAC or do what I do and screw digital music for now, it's not ready for prime time- buy used CDs they're literally sonically perfect, (even too perfect for some vinyl lovers).
Get yourself a portable, skipless CD player (which are sadly getting hard to get in decent quality anymore) and pair it with the most expensive version of this headphone you can afford, new or used,
http://www.gradolabs.com/page_headphones.php
disregarding entirely the in-ear variety because you said you want something *really* good.
I own the SR325is and it blows everything else away including the highest end Bose (junk) Sennheisers etc etc etc.
The separation of the sound and incredible detail is nothing you're going to experience this side of $6,000-a -pair home speakers. If you've been listening to digital audio, you've never even HEARD whole parts of the recording.. literally you'll hear things in the music, like, percussion parts, you didn't even know were there
. Not to mention the actual quality and timbre of the vocalist's voice.
This is the way to roll.
Is this the same Nicola Brookes from Brighton who was recently photographed fucking goats up the ass while wearing a nun's habit and reading the NAMBLA manifesto aloud to school boys?
Or is that a different Nicola Brookes from Birghton?
It works like Scratch or App inventor but it is written in JavaScript.
Stop reading. Lose interest. Next story.
Police Using YouTube To Tell Their Own Stories
And why not?
OK I am taking this from memory , but back around 2002 there used to be a website called , I think, Eliyon (don't take my memory as infallible here) which offered up profiles of people including, I distinctly remember, very personal stuff which could only be inferences about their characters, like, oh, the fact that they might be addicted to masturbation.
Apparently this would have been gleaned, I really have no idea, from information from porn websites or chat room logs, in some sort of arrangement with them one supposes. I read a sample profile and truly just thought "wow, that's where this is all going to.... Huh." It never occurred to me that it might somehow be illegal or, you know , libelous.
Since then I then, I finished growing my brain and realized "holy shit, who WAS that? I've tried to use the Wayback machine to get to the site but it doesn't appear in the same way I saw it (how long it was up and presenting itself in that way I truly have no idea ) .
What it's lead me to wonder is this: OK so this company in this piece is going to get slapped and learn it's lesson about advertising to everyone willy nilly, but what do companies collect and pass make available to each other on "black sites" which go straight into some nameless,protected server "out there"? I can't believe they don't do this- it just stands to reason they would if they thought they could encode it and keep their hands clean via plausible deniability.
I know the police do this, or did at least.
I also know there are services which will try to bust employers talking smack about, and give you the transcript, to what they think is another employer or recruiter for instance,
http://www.references-etc.com/
For example, a new report linked to by the site claims that ACTA could "boost European output by a total of 50 billion (euro), and create as many as 960,000 new jobs."
How can you tell when a politician or special interest group is lying?
When they start talking about all the jobs their new laws will create.
. We scrutinize our motivations and search for relevant reasons; we lament our mistakes to therapists and ruminate on the beliefs that led us astray. The problem with this ... is that the driving forces behind biasesâ"the root causes of our irrationalityâ"are largely unconscious, which means they remain invisible to self-analysis and impermeable to intelligence. ...blinding us to those primal processes responsible for many of our everyday failings.
Uh, I think a therapist would tell you that's why you need them.
Just sayin'
It's amusing to watch "serious thinkers" labor under the seemingly self-imposed restriction that basically says "all important things come down to money.". Apparently , this is the only way to taken seriously in America today- do a "we' re all economically interdependent " jig ala Thomas Friedman -who turns out is wrong-o on, like, a regular basis:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/03/friedmans-follies
Look, one thing that unites us at least as much as money is porn. Porn porn porn. The porn the Navy seals found in bin Laden's son hard drive. It's non-trivial. The world view that women are fundamentally non-sexual or worse, a kind of livestock to be owned, collected, traded and bred, is not going to survive the Great Porn Onslaught coming from developed nations. You can't be exposed to image after image of two chicks fucking each other with gigantic purple gel dildos while one guy fucks one up the ass and the other administers a deep-throated, lipstick-perfect blowjob to a tanned and muscled Mr. 10 inches and continue to see the sight of a woman's bare ankle, or hair or uncovered mouth as a dangerously provocative sight.
And then there's the flood of pages questioning religion through everything from mockery to lists of holy book contradictions and ridiculous assertions to sane and sober dismemberment of core religious tenets .
As far as China goes, knowledge of what the West had started with TV and now is spreading into the areas of the intellectual, political and associational freedoms people in western nations enjoy. These are the things that change nations by changing people's perceptions, one person at a time, sitting alone in front of their computer, reading something forbidden, exhilarated at the ideas being encountered and idealizing what life might be like to live in a country where men and women were able to speak so freely.
Or whacking off to dirty Tumblr-after-dark pictures.
http://tumblr-afterdark.tumblr.com/
There ya go.
Google is ;always everyone's friend. Summarizing your argument, often including excerpts, and always providing a link, is the minimum bar for fact-based points.
Logitech Cordless Optical Trackman or Kensington Slimblade ,either one.
Treats both like they have two button, left and right.
After everything else is said and done, my computer is mainly 3 things- my keyboard, my screens and my trackball,. I need these things to work.
Fix it and I'll bite.