What kind of nerds are we keeping with?! Did these guys just jump on the nerd-bus when it became profitable? I say all of those people get banned immediately!
I hear ya man. Its not respectable to be a nerd anymore. damnit.
we need to redefine the genere, "NERD" is ours, we were here first. let them call themselves something else, and we need a test to distinguish the two.
any ideas for a test?
PS: TEST #1, anyone who HATES that slashdot doesnt default to "Plain old text" is in the club.
What kind of nerds are we keeping with?! Did these guys just jump on the nerd-bus when it became profitable? I say all of those people get banned immediately! I hear ya man. Its not respectable to be a nerd anymore. damnit. we need to redefine the genere, "NERD" is ours, we were here first. let them call themselves something else, and we need a test to distinguish the two. any ideas for a test?
>> Yes I've forgotten a few tihngs, but the market for more CPU power is clearly more important than the market for higher bandwidth
hmmm... 1000 mhz at 100 mhz bus...
CPU | DATA BUS | ACTION
1........1..........READ DATA FROM RAM 2...................PROCESS DATA (3 cycle)1/3 3...................PROCESS DATA (cont.) 2/3 4...................PROCESS DATA (cont.) 3/3 done 5--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus 6--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus 7--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus 8--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus 9--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus 10.......2..........WRITE DATA TO RAM 11..................READ DATA FROM RAM 12..................PROCESS DATA (3 cycle)
Oversimplified, not taking cache into account, but you get the point, Bus Speed Matters.
It is EXTREMELY dangerous to boot from a floppy when EZ-BIOS is installed, *EXTREMELY*!
When you boot from a floppy your OS will "see" your HDD differently than it will when you boot from EZ-BIOS. You could end up overwriting your windows partition or anything else on the HDD.
You should boot to EZ-BIOS, press CTRL, then A, then insert the BEOS floppy and continue booting from A: ONLY AFTER EZ-BIOS is loaded.
If EZ-BIOS cant be seen this way, you need to reinstall BEOS only AFTER letting EZ-BIOS load, then running the floppy.
On machines with EZ-BIOS, I'd recommend DISABLING the "A:" boot option right in the BIOS, so mistakes dont happen, as a complete data loss is very likely to happen booting from raw floppy.
Heres a better idea, get a Promise HDD controler card, it has a newer bios than your motherboard, so EZ-BIOS will no longer be needed, plus you'll have UltraDMA 33/66 support, AND it only takes 1 IRQ for BOTH IDE channels, instead of 2 like your motherboard.
I never took any physics, so I probably suffer from understanding shit from a Newtonian only train of thought, but the way I understand it, a photon has no mass or momentum, only direction and (?)speed, being 100% kinetic in substance, 0% potential.
I JUST GOT THIS AOL KEYBOARD AND CANT FIND OUT HOW TO GET THE CAPS KEY OFF, OH WELL. SO EASY NO WONDER ITS NUMBER 1! AOL IS ALOT BETTER THAN YOUR GENERIC INTERNET, AOL IS THE TRUE INTERNET, UNLIKE YOURS THAT HAS AN INVISIBLE DIALER.
PEOPLE THINK YOUR OVERQUALIFIED FOR JOBS WHEN YOU USE AOL, I KEEP TRYING TO GET A JOB AS A PC TECH, AND THEY JUST LOOK AT ME FUNNY WHEN I GIVE THEM MY @AOL.COM EMAIL ADDRESS! THEY DONT HIRE ME CAUSE THEY THINK I MIGHT TAKE OVER THEIR JOBS OR SOMETHING.
EVEN MICROSOFT KNOWS AOL IS LEET, CAUSE THEY DONT USE THAT "DUN" INVISIBLE DIALER EITHER. YOU LINUS PEOPLE ARE FOOLS, YOU CANT EVEN DIAL UP TO AOL YET! HAHA!
>> I found it: the required SDRAM uses 1W, when not in sleep mode. This should be used constantly, so figure a constant extra 1W, on top of the 5W for the processor, when the processor is doing work.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt RAM consume a static amount of power, regardless of "usage"? After all, the RAM still has to be refreshed every cycle to retain data, therefore "unused" RAM is actually as active as "heavily accessed" RAM. I actually meant to reply to the parent of this reply, sorry...
>> Like the OGG troll running around today.. Okay yes it detracts from a good conversation and its a waste of bandwidth butt it is comical even if immature.
Its "OOG", not "OGG", *I* am an OGG not to be confused with said troller "OOG". Hey man, if you had my name you'd be self consious too.
...and I think alot of people are missing the Big Picture(tm) here. We should have the RIGHT to store our media in READABLE FORM. This is a right that should rank right up there with the first and second ammendments, and should be defended as much.
In the future might it be possible, without this right, that all media will require decryption software that must be licensed per use no matter what the form of media it is or who owns it, just because the encryption is "owned" regardless of the media?
Why dont we fight for this right, and everything else (DeCSS, restrictive copy protection, ect) will fall into place under one big umbrella right? This is where the line needs to be drawn, and all these issues would reside on one side of this line.
I have no need of a Linux DVD player, however, I want the RIGHT to posess my media in readable format, and I will fight for that right, lest it gets chipped away at like so many other rights these days...
Heh, do you have one of the notorious SP97-V's with the "cmos battery wont last two months" problem? I'm at a small OEM "screwdriver" shop that went NUTS with all the customer complaints from bad SP97-V motherboards with faulty circutry that led to bleeding of the battery. Asus never really owned up to the problem either, they just released a "lick and a promise" bios update that didnt do jack. Stuck with them though, and then they pulled that P3B-F thing with the funky CPU autodetect bug, and the paranoid temp sensor that always reports the cpu temp at near lava tempatures. We switched to Microstar and after 6 months we have NEVER had a bad board or MB related issue (exept for some idiot who didnt use standoffs and screwed the MB right into the case bottom!!) Would be interesting to know how many of you had trouble similar to above with the two aforementioned motherboards?
>> And if the strategy of simply selling technically superior equipment worked, the Amiga would have killed off x86 in the 80's. Based on the sales of the iMac, lots of people just don't care, as long as the computer is adequate and 'neat'. Apple put a lot of money into making the iMac 'neat'. They have a right to protect their investment.
HELL yea! And the Amiga was probably one of the most copied platforms of all time. Havent to date seen anything as elegant as the Amiga2000HD I had when I was 16 years old paying off the $2000 I spent on it by mowing lawns. Aw hell, the Mac friggin copied the Amiga by boing color;) DOH! I mean by GOING color (little Amiga-Freudian slip) My only regret is I went PC when I was 19 and gave the Amiga away, who would've known I'd miss it that much? Can you imagine what the world would be like if the Amiga reigned and Microsoft was only known as "the people who wrote AmigaBasic", IBM as the "people who developed REXX from which ARexx was born"? Intel as the maker of the non-32 bit CPU's? The mac as "that B&W thing that looks like the Amiga but doesnt work like one"? the Amiga wasn't about the Amiga, it was about the Amiga community that supported it, similar to linux today, perhaps thats why the Amiga community of yesterday now resides among the linux community, while those who must use Windows grumble about the rigid inflexible flakey mess that is Windows.
Anyway, all cars look the same, how can a pc maker claim trademark on something so insignificant as a colored case? Apple is getting downright nasty lately with anything that looks similar to its OS too, like Windowblinds "Aqua" theme, and eThemes "X" themes... They're new slogan should be "Dont THINK different, LOOK different"
>> You are at least as stupid as they are. Overclocking a cpu is stupid. Overclocking memory, OTOH, is the most brain-dead, idiotic, deadass dumbshit thing you can possibly do. You are essentially saying "I WANT random crashes." I hope you all burn up your crappy hardware.
I asked if anyone got PC133 ram to run at 133... Thats not overclocking you grumpy twit.
Now I know you people want to overclock everything, but man, CPU's are CHEAP! Why even bother anymore? Now overclocking RAM is a different story... anyone have any luck running PC133 at 133 MHZ on a Microstar 6195 motherboard?
>> However a flash bios isn't so. If it were, you could never flash the bios on the card, period. The fact that the a different bios than what it's chosen for really doesn't matter.
The fact that you pay for a product with the intention of cheating the company out of developement costs for a different product that you did not purchase or have the software license for dosent matter?
>> I'm reminded of the computers sold that say "Designed for Windows 98" on them. So if I install a seperate operating system on this machine does that mean I'm somehow doing something illegal? No. Of course not. The PC Manufacturer may choose to not offer support, but I have NOT done anything illegal.
Assuming you are not stealing the operating system maybe... but that doesnt fit your analogy. If you buy a PC "designed for windows 98" and then install an unlicensed burned copy of NT on it, THEN you are breaking the law. and THAT analogy more closely fits this situation.
>> As far as the idea that Promise posts the flash on it's PUBLIC ftp, but should only be used by those who purchased their card is simply put, stupid.
I'm pretty sure that every commercial software country in the world posts SOFTWARE UPDATES that are indended for the people who BOUGHT the software, why that strikes you as stupid is beyond me. I mean REALLY beyond.
>> It's a public FTP and therefor the files are public domain.
Thats not true. "Public Domain" software is not copyrighted. Promise BIOS is. The fact that you can download something does not make it Public Domain. Even LINUX is *NOT* Public Domain, you have a license granting you rights. In fact, I *DARE* you to find me a link to a commercial software site that has released its product updates as Public Domain, I DARE you.
>> You can't argue that they're allowing a person to get the files.
We're not. They put those files there in good faith. The fact that you found a way to USE software you didn't pay for but have access to nevertheless doesnt change the fact that you are using licensed software. You have only OBTAINED it legally.
>> If they didn't "allow" customers download updates, Promise would go down the tubes rather quickly.
True. But you're not a customer if you didnt buy the product. And having non-paying customers use their product is a great way to go down the tubes quickly.
>> The idea that overclocking a CPU or modifying a piece of hardware is the same as software pirating is just plain insane.
True. You can modify the hardware as you please, and its not software piracy. but, when you download software you didnt pay for and use it, its software piracy.
>> The companies are still getting money for their products, they are still making a profit. We just refused to be ripped off more than we have to be.
They are not getting any money for the BIOS you upgraded, which you are using, because you didnt BUY the fasttrack BIOS, you bought a different product with the intention of pirating unlicensed software by downloading a software update and using it as the original unpurchased product.
I find it discouraging that developers are going to see this and require click-through registrations for bios updates or driver downloads rather than have them up on their site in good faith. (have you downloaded a driver for a SoundBlaster 16 lately?) I also fear that developers will see this and become reluctant to release (more so anyway) open source software as someone will think in error that just because someone can get it, that its in the "Public Domain". This is a Bad Faith article on Slashdot, and is detrimental to the Open Source movement.
The Open Source movement is about giving to the community, not having it taken by exploiting good faith and manipulating developers software for failure to put locks and chains on it.
Pleading ignorance here (I cant write) what features would a writer look for in a word processor? And what features are currently not implemented in word?
I can see it now... MS Write 6.0/MS HomeOffice Suite 2000.
>> Sure, forget laws, they're for squares, non-geeks, stupidos! Let's go back to the stone age! Vote Republican!....Please give me a break.
You're right, lets burn the constitution and let the government have all buisnesses- Rights are for rioters, cave-men, neanderthols... Civilized man needs to be caged. Give me a break.
True, NT and all of MS OS's cant be trusted to even tell you WHY they crashed... Ever get a memory error in 98 when you KnowDamnWell(tm) nothings wrong, an it only happens when you run windowblinds? its all software, 99.99% of the time
>>The article seems to be rather biased... they ignored performance issues completely, failed to even mention that much of this doesn't apply to the *current* version of NT, and went to a lot of trouble to explain away NT's scalability advantages.
"Jane, you ignorant slut"
The test was conducted to copmpare reliability, period. (not scalability, performance, ect...) If those were included in the reliability test, THEN IT WOULD BE BIASED.
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That was nasty! :)
What kind of nerds are we keeping with?! Did these guys just jump on the nerd-bus when it became profitable? I say all of those people get banned immediately!
I hear ya man. Its not respectable to be a nerd anymore. damnit.
we need to redefine the genere, "NERD" is ours, we were here first. let them call themselves something else, and we need a test to distinguish the two.
any ideas for a test?
PS: TEST #1, anyone who HATES that slashdot doesnt default to "Plain old text" is in the club.
What kind of nerds are we keeping with?! Did these guys just jump on the nerd-bus when it became profitable? I say all of those people get banned immediately! I hear ya man. Its not respectable to be a nerd anymore. damnit. we need to redefine the genere, "NERD" is ours, we were here first. let them call themselves something else, and we need a test to distinguish the two. any ideas for a test?
>> Yes I've forgotten a few tihngs, but the market for more CPU power is clearly more important than the market for higher bandwidth
hmmm... 1000 mhz at 100 mhz bus...
CPU | DATA BUS | ACTION
1........1..........READ DATA FROM RAM
2...................PROCESS DATA (3 cycle)1/3
3...................PROCESS DATA (cont.) 2/3
4...................PROCESS DATA (cont.) 3/3 done
5--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus
6--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus
7--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus
8--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus
9--------------------ho hum waiting for data bus
10.......2..........WRITE DATA TO RAM
11..................READ DATA FROM RAM
12..................PROCESS DATA (3 cycle)
Oversimplified, not taking cache into account, but you get the point, Bus Speed Matters.
It is EXTREMELY dangerous to boot from a floppy when EZ-BIOS is installed, *EXTREMELY*!
When you boot from a floppy your OS will "see" your HDD differently than it will when you boot from EZ-BIOS. You could end up overwriting your windows partition or anything else on the HDD.
You should boot to EZ-BIOS, press CTRL, then A, then insert the BEOS floppy and continue booting from A: ONLY AFTER EZ-BIOS is loaded.
If EZ-BIOS cant be seen this way, you need to reinstall BEOS only AFTER letting EZ-BIOS load, then running the floppy.
On machines with EZ-BIOS, I'd recommend DISABLING the "A:" boot option right in the BIOS, so mistakes dont happen, as a complete data loss is very likely to happen booting from raw floppy.
Heres a better idea, get a Promise HDD controler card, it has a newer bios than your motherboard, so EZ-BIOS will no longer be needed, plus you'll have UltraDMA 33/66 support, AND it only takes 1 IRQ for BOTH IDE channels, instead of 2 like your motherboard.
I never took any physics, so I probably suffer from understanding shit from a Newtonian only train of thought, but the way I understand it, a photon has no mass or momentum, only direction and (?)speed, being 100% kinetic in substance, 0% potential.
;)
Am I right/wrong, I'm guessing anyway
My memory of the Amiga has faded severly in the past 8 years, Maybe I'll try and find an old Miggy and try this out.
I JUST GOT THIS AOL KEYBOARD AND CANT FIND OUT HOW TO GET THE CAPS KEY OFF, OH WELL. SO EASY NO WONDER ITS NUMBER 1! AOL IS ALOT BETTER THAN YOUR GENERIC INTERNET, AOL IS THE TRUE INTERNET, UNLIKE YOURS THAT HAS AN INVISIBLE DIALER.
PEOPLE THINK YOUR OVERQUALIFIED FOR JOBS WHEN YOU USE AOL, I KEEP TRYING TO GET A JOB AS A PC TECH, AND THEY JUST LOOK AT ME FUNNY WHEN I GIVE THEM MY @AOL.COM EMAIL ADDRESS! THEY DONT HIRE ME CAUSE THEY THINK I MIGHT TAKE OVER THEIR JOBS OR SOMETHING.
EVEN MICROSOFT KNOWS AOL IS LEET, CAUSE THEY DONT USE THAT "DUN" INVISIBLE DIALER EITHER. YOU LINUS PEOPLE ARE FOOLS, YOU CANT EVEN DIAL UP TO AOL YET! HAHA!
---end stupid commentary---
Right here in River City...
He was released from Iran,
That rhymes with Debian...
That stands for Linux!
Now for something somewhat RELEVANT...
A recommended Good Book(tm)
(it has nothing to do with OS/2 btw...)
http://www.os2hq.com/articles/seven.htm
A book about the current employment situation among IT workers
>> I think that if they could, AMD should have joined the IA-64 alliance, and released a IA-64 compatitable processor.
I know Intel licensed X86 to AMD, but is AMD licensed to use IA-64 technology, or would it be a patent infringement?
>> I found it: the required SDRAM uses 1W, when not in sleep mode. This should be used constantly, so figure a constant extra 1W, on top of the 5W for the processor, when the processor is doing work.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt RAM consume a static amount of power, regardless of "usage"? After all, the RAM still has to be refreshed every cycle to retain data, therefore "unused" RAM is actually as active as "heavily accessed" RAM. I actually meant to reply to the parent of this reply, sorry...
>> Like the OGG troll running around today.. Okay yes it detracts from a good conversation and its a waste of bandwidth butt it is comical even if immature.
Its "OOG", not "OGG", *I* am an OGG not to be confused with said troller "OOG". Hey man, if you had my name you'd be self consious too.
In the future might it be possible, without this right, that all media will require decryption software that must be licensed per use no matter what the form of media it is or who owns it, just because the encryption is "owned" regardless of the media?
Why dont we fight for this right, and everything else (DeCSS, restrictive copy protection, ect) will fall into place under one big umbrella right? This is where the line needs to be drawn, and all these issues would reside on one side of this line.
I have no need of a Linux DVD player, however, I want the RIGHT to posess my media in readable format, and I will fight for that right, lest it gets chipped away at like so many other rights these days...
Heh, do you have one of the notorious SP97-V's with the "cmos battery wont last two months" problem? I'm at a small OEM "screwdriver" shop that went NUTS with all the customer complaints from bad SP97-V motherboards with faulty circutry that led to bleeding of the battery. Asus never really owned up to the problem either, they just released a "lick and a promise" bios update that didnt do jack. Stuck with them though, and then they pulled that P3B-F thing with the funky CPU autodetect bug, and the paranoid temp sensor that always reports the cpu temp at near lava tempatures. We switched to Microstar and after 6 months we have NEVER had a bad board or MB related issue (exept for some idiot who didnt use standoffs and screwed the MB right into the case bottom!!)
Would be interesting to know how many of you had trouble similar to above with the two aforementioned motherboards?
>> And if the strategy of simply selling technically superior equipment worked, the Amiga would have killed off x86 in the 80's. Based on the sales of the iMac, lots of people just don't care, as long as the computer is adequate and 'neat'. Apple put a lot of money into making the iMac 'neat'. They have a right to protect their investment.
;) DOH! I mean by GOING color (little Amiga-Freudian slip) My only regret is I went PC when I was 19 and gave the Amiga away, who would've known I'd miss it that much?
HELL yea! And the Amiga was probably one of the most copied platforms of all time. Havent to date seen anything as elegant as the Amiga2000HD I had when I was 16 years old paying off the $2000 I spent on it by mowing lawns.
Aw hell, the Mac friggin copied the Amiga by boing color
Can you imagine what the world would be like if the Amiga reigned and Microsoft was only known as "the people who wrote AmigaBasic", IBM as the "people who developed REXX from which ARexx was born"? Intel as the maker of the non-32 bit CPU's? The mac as "that B&W thing that looks like the Amiga but doesnt work like one"?
the Amiga wasn't about the Amiga, it was about the Amiga community that supported it, similar to linux today, perhaps thats why the Amiga community of yesterday now resides among the linux community, while those who must use Windows grumble about the rigid inflexible flakey mess that is Windows.
Anyway, all cars look the same, how can a pc maker claim trademark on something so insignificant as a colored case? Apple is getting downright nasty lately with anything that looks similar to its OS too, like Windowblinds "Aqua" theme, and eThemes "X" themes... They're new slogan should be "Dont THINK different, LOOK different"
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>> You are at least as stupid as they are. Overclocking a cpu is stupid. Overclocking memory, OTOH, is the most brain-dead, idiotic, deadass dumbshit thing you can possibly do. You are essentially saying "I WANT random crashes." I hope you all burn up your crappy hardware.
I asked if anyone got PC133 ram to run at 133... Thats not overclocking you grumpy twit.
Now I know you people want to overclock everything, but man, CPU's are CHEAP! Why even bother anymore? Now overclocking RAM is a different story... anyone have any luck running PC133 at 133 MHZ on a Microstar 6195 motherboard?
>> However a flash bios isn't so. If it were, you could never flash the bios on the card, period. The fact that the a different bios than what it's chosen for really doesn't matter.
The fact that you pay for a product with the intention of cheating the company out of developement costs for a different product that you did not purchase or have the software license for dosent matter?
>> I'm reminded of the computers sold that say "Designed for Windows 98" on them. So if I install a seperate operating system on this machine does that mean I'm somehow doing something illegal? No. Of course not. The PC Manufacturer may choose to not offer support, but I have NOT done anything illegal.
Assuming you are not stealing the operating system maybe... but that doesnt fit your analogy. If you buy a PC "designed for windows 98" and then install an unlicensed burned copy of NT on it, THEN you are breaking the law. and THAT analogy more closely fits this situation.
>> As far as the idea that Promise posts the flash on it's PUBLIC ftp, but should only be used by those who purchased their card is simply put, stupid.
I'm pretty sure that every commercial software country in the world posts SOFTWARE UPDATES that are indended for the people who BOUGHT the software, why that strikes you as stupid is beyond me. I mean REALLY beyond.
>> It's a public FTP and therefor the files are public domain.
Thats not true. "Public Domain" software is not copyrighted. Promise BIOS is. The fact that you can download something does not make it Public Domain. Even LINUX is *NOT* Public Domain, you have a license granting you rights. In fact, I *DARE* you to find me a link to a commercial software site that has released its product updates as Public Domain, I DARE you.
>> You can't argue that they're allowing a person to get the files.
We're not. They put those files there in good faith. The fact that you found a way to USE software you didn't pay for but have access to nevertheless doesnt change the fact that you are using licensed software. You have only OBTAINED it legally.
>> If they didn't "allow" customers download updates, Promise would go down the tubes rather quickly.
True. But you're not a customer if you didnt buy the product. And having non-paying customers use their product is a great way to go down the tubes quickly.
>> The idea that overclocking a CPU or modifying a piece of hardware is the same as software pirating is just plain insane.
True. You can modify the hardware as you please, and its not software piracy. but, when you download software you didnt pay for and use it, its software piracy.
>> The companies are still getting money for their products, they are still making a profit. We just refused to be ripped off more than we have to be.
They are not getting any money for the BIOS you upgraded, which you are using, because you didnt BUY the fasttrack BIOS, you bought a different product with the intention of pirating unlicensed software by downloading a software update and using it as the original unpurchased product.
I find it discouraging that developers are going to see this and require click-through registrations for bios updates or driver downloads rather than have them up on their site in good faith. (have you downloaded a driver for a SoundBlaster 16 lately?) I also fear that developers will see this and become reluctant to release (more so anyway) open source software as someone will think in error that just because someone can get it, that its in the "Public Domain". This is a Bad Faith article on Slashdot, and is detrimental to the Open Source movement.
The Open Source movement is about giving to the community, not having it taken by exploiting good faith and manipulating developers software for failure to put locks and chains on it.
EMACS!!!! Live it, Love it!
Pleading ignorance here (I cant write) what features would a writer look for in a word processor? And what features are currently not implemented in word?
I can see it now... MS Write 6.0/MS HomeOffice Suite 2000.
>> Sure, forget laws, they're for squares, non-geeks, stupidos! Let's go back to the stone age! Vote Republican! ....Please give me a break.
You're right, lets burn the constitution and let the government have all buisnesses- Rights are for rioters, cave-men, neanderthols... Civilized man needs to be caged. Give me a break.
True, NT and all of MS OS's cant be trusted to even tell you WHY they crashed... Ever get a memory error in 98 when you KnowDamnWell(tm) nothings wrong, an it only happens when you run windowblinds? its all software, 99.99% of the time
>>The article seems to be rather biased... they ignored performance issues completely, failed to even mention that much of this doesn't apply to the *current* version of NT, and went to a lot of trouble to explain away NT's scalability advantages.
"Jane, you ignorant slut"
The test was conducted to copmpare reliability, period. (not scalability, performance, ect...) If those were included in the reliability test, THEN IT WOULD BE BIASED.
This is really cool, dont know why, but it just seems really cool!
;)
Incidentally, This is the preferred rendering option for S3 & ATI cards
Who else thinks its the government trying to get us to think we "need" more laws?