>>> Nobody is stopping you from making an exact copy of the media you purchase. What they are stopping you from doing is converting that media into another form which is more easily pirated. Copy protection is a misleading name, so perhaps you are confused. In most cases it doesn't prevent you from copying the media (anything that can be read can be copied), it just attempts to prevent you from making unlawful copies of the media (for instance copies for friends). What harms the consumer is the difficulty in making it impossible to make unlawful copies without impairing the customer's ability to use the software and make lawful copies. But it is, after all, easier to criticize an existing system than think one up yourself, so go right ahead
1) Someone IS stopping me, Blank DVD's have the encryption key track "zeroed out"
2) I'm NOT converting it into a "more easily pirated" form, I'm converting it into its NATIVE form. When was the last time you read a book with a Captain Crunch Decoder Ring? (Anyway, encrypted data is just as tranferable/"pirateable" as native).
3) Its not allowing me to make lawfull copies while preventing unlawfull copies, its not distinguishing my rightfull use from piracy at ALL. In fact, the media is USELESS without purchasing an ADDITIONAL PRODUCT (CSS licensed player)! I never agreed to this, and there is NO disclaimer on the box that this is anything but READABLE MEDIA like all other media that has set a precident to this point.
4) It could be argued that the CSS encryption was protected. You protect encryption in one of two ways... A. You PATENT it, like all OTHER encryption routines in use in the united states, including the ones we use for commerce, national security, and OTHER things more serious than entertainment videos. or... B. You keep it a trade secret like Coka Cola, Where you are at risk of people guessing its contents and trying to reverse engineer it.
You only have LEGAL recourse in case "A", However the CSS encryption was NEVER patented! They chose to keep it a trade secret rather than submit it to the patent office for legal protection. They can't legally REQUIRE you to use their DECRYPTION as their encryption scheme is not protected, and you have not agreed to that in any other way when you purchased the video. no disclaimer, no EULA, no patent.
Are we heading into a time when the knoledge of Reading, which we teach our children since age 4, must be licensed as a separate product from the media? Is it right to hold a monopoly over the license of a form of media? Is it right to deny a demographic group of people the right to access their media in its native format (or at ALL in the case of linux)? All this after the fact that they already legally purchased the media! Could this happen to other forms of media also? Could a corporation or group of, controll even written media? What makes one form of media different than another, and why shouldn't ALL media be covered by the same laws?
Why do we teach our children to read anyway? If Media itself can be controlled to those who pay a license to read it? regardless that they OWN the media theyre reading? Dark days are coming people.
A 16 year old child is being tried in court for READING, MEDIA... in its NATIVE FORMAT, while he was 15 years old. He had the courage to teach others to read. Now he's a criminal. Are these laws you want to support, just because its "easier to critisize, than think one up yourself"? Its appaling how easily Americans piss away their rights these days.
I want no part of it. I want my newspapers in English, I want ALL my media READABLE without a license. I urge everyone reading this post to NOT TAKE FOR GRANTED the fact that untill now you had the RIGHT TO READ your media... fight to keep it.
MIRROR that source like your lives depend on it, mirror it like your right to READ depends on it, IT DOES.
>>> Corel's been moped around quite a bit by Microsoft. Since Linux looks like it could actually be a viable alternative to Windows, it's not at all suprising that Corel helping it all it can to erase the definciense that Linux has on the desktop
see also IBM " Netscape " Compaq " D.R. ... the list goes on (wheres AOL?)
its funny how Microsoft keeps making enemies and they all forge together through linux, its like the software "promised land"
>>> I'm sick of this liberal "black people had it good" bullshit. Slavery was oppression, racism is oppression, and "seperate but equal" is oppression. You can't rewrite history in your white, eurocentric view anymore. We won't stand for it. And I sure as hell am not going to stand for Linux Torvalds oppressing black folk with this "Crusoe" bullshit.
This man has ISSUES.
I dought Linus gives a shit about racism, I'll bet you money he just thinks about programming and his job. Or it could be a cover up, Linux might just be a way to opress black people, wasnt that in the MAN pages in the latest kernel release?
Seriously though, want to talk REPRESSION? It seems no one can do a god damned thing without being called a racist anymore. I give absolutely *NO* support for *YOUR* brand of racial sympathy. Its not everyone elses fault you feel your repressed when you're creating this animosity towards those who've done nothing to you. You are a troublemaker and a bigot. 'Linus torvalds oppressing black folk' Now I've heard it all.
Its a name. Thats all. You know, not everything in this world is a hip shot at your ancestors. The name was chosen by a marketing research firm to decribe a mobile chip. I highly doubt they were thinking anything derogatory. the name was chosen in good faith, and didnt really deserve that. I sympathise with you, but when people in good faith get called racists it really starts wearing thin.
As for the confederate flag, I agree with you. The fact that we allow a confederate flag to fly patriotically in this country is sad, its as bad as a nazi flag, which is legal, but SHOULDNT BE CONDONED BY or own friggin government! What other country in this world would let a defeated revolutionary group raise their national flag on national soil? none. Even worse, its part of our OWN government raising it!
I advise you to choose your battles, Crusoe is a processor, not a bad word. The confederate flag is another issue. Boycotting South Carolina would be justified in my opinion, but boycotting Transmeta would just be malicious, as they have done absolutely nothing to you or anyone else, not even symbolically, and it would dilute perceptions of your cause.
South Carolina needs to get their Red Necks(tm) out of their asses. (oh shit, here come the tomatoes!)
>>> I really hate the fact that most PC's now won't turn off when you push the power button. When I want the god damn machine to turn off, I don't expect to have to pull the cord from the back. Obviously this was for the "idiots" who kept mistaking their power key for the Zip disk eject button.;-)
You set up windows WRONG! use "setup/p j" to enable ATX ACPI auto power off, when you press the power button, windows will automatically shut down and then power off. You know you've done this correctly if instead of "plug and play BIOS" in the device manager it says "advanced configuration and power interface (ACPI) BIOS"
Most OEM's DONT do this properly, simply "SETUP" WONT do it. It MUST be "SETUP/P J"
This is the ONLY way to tell Winblows that you have an ACPI power button.
remember "setup space slash PEE space JAY" , you heard it here first folks.
Why are you reading Slashdot then? Do you go to porn sites and complain they have too many naked women on the site? Geez this is the kind of stuff you should EXPECT on slashdot, Computer Science. and being called "slashdot", dont you think it will be linux slanted?
>> We've seen it repeatedly: Slashdot condoning what are obviously illegal acts (and therefore immoral acts: the Bible clearly says to obey authority), such as Music piracy through "mp3s" and "Napster." Now, Slashdot readers are attempting to pirate DVDs through the "DeCSS" program, written by a young man who was obviously influenced in his evil ways by the culture of immorality and atheism that makes up this "Open Source" community. But when they must face the consequnces of their unlawful acts: watch out! The Slashdot Moral Relativism Squad takes control, and you better not speak out, or you'll be sent down to -1, where the dissidents, many of whom are actively trying to save Slashdot from its own decadence, gather with their posts.
>> So what am I saying: that respect for the law is what keeps society together, and when one group feels that it does not apply to them, then the ties of society are severed forever. We will probably see greater piracy now than ever, since it is not only seen as acceptable, but is in fact encouraged as a sort of rebellion, much in the same way as teen smoking or alcohol abuse (two other reprehensible acts). We must end this culture of disrespect, and we must do it together.
>> Now God tells us to love the sinner, but hate the sin, and as such, I cannot say that I hate you in my heart, but it is also our duty to teach, correct, and bear witness to the Scriptures and the love of Jesus and the doing of His will. So I am asking, pleading even that we may together end these hateful violation of both Earthly and Heavenly law.
>> May the Peace of Christ be with you all.
No law was broken, it is LEGAL to make a backup. It really makes me sick to my stomack when someone wants to spout bible passages in place of their side of the arguement, really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The bible is not a replacement for understanding the issues you feel you should get involved in, thats ignorance, not to mention blasphemy. But on that subject, revelations predicts a time when only people with a mark of 666 can purchase provisions. might 666 be an encryption key? As it is, only people who purchase licensed DVD players can play their encrypted DVD's, even though we never AGREED to those terms. PROOF CSS IS EVIL!!!
>>> He does have a point. The encryption is there to ensure a profit for liscensed DVD player manufacturers. By busting it, someone can potentially create their own, unliscensed player, taking profit from the manufacturer. My response to this, however, is that anyone who cares enough can go out, buy all the parts, and build their own VHS player. It seems to me that distributing DeCSS is akin to distributing the plans and circuitry diagrams to a basic VHS player: It tells you how to make a player, if you want to make the effort.
I NEVER agreed to use a "licensed" player, I paid for MEDIA, and who's player I use for this media is my own F**** business.
>>> Another thing: The MPAA and accessories have recieved a lot of criticism over their attempt to prevent piracy using proprietary encryption. I'm curious to know, what other options are available? Patenting doesn't seem like it would work, as then the complete record of how it works would be on file for all to see. So what should they have done and what should they do the next time they release a new standard and want to prevent piracy?
I have a legal right to make an archival backup of ANY media I purchase. Copy protection is wrong, it always hurts the consumer. VHS Tapes arnt encrypted, how many "warez" sites have you seen with captured VHS tapes on them, I havent seen any, and DVD's would be even MORE difficult to capture and distribute just because of the sheer SIZE.
>> So, your supposed to keep some pedophile in prison just because he cant seem to keep his hands off the kiddies because of a mental problem he has? I am not a fan of phedophiles by any means, i think they should be drug off to a field an shot. but, I have a felony pending against me and am walking the tight rope to not get that on my record. say you owned a store or better yet a bank and this guy puts in his application, im sure youd love to know he was convicted of a felony such as burglary or hey even bank robbery. yes there are ways to get felonies off your record, but that whole system is good as it only allows those who have truely reformed to get it off of their record, and the people who dont i guess didnt want it that bad in the first place ? just my 2cents.
"JUST BECAUSE HE CANT KEEP HIS HANDS OFF THE KIDDIES"??? What are you smoking?! Yes, you keep him in jail. If he's crazy, make it a crazy jail. but NOT the street!
>> The blindfold on Lady Justice aside, the law need not ignore common sense. Given that he was convicted of stealing the data, it is flatly unreasonable to believe that it is not on that hard drive.
>> Given that, the only way that he can make a claim for the return of the physical drive is if all stolen date is wiped beyond recovery--and I'm not sure that that standard can be met
We dont try people on common sense, we have laws and lawyers instead. The problem with your definition of "Common Sense" is that it fits most peoples definition of "Guessing". We have Laws to protect us from charges that are "guessed", The law doesnt allow guessing, things must be proved, we dont put people in jail because we "guessed" he commited a crime. We cant hold personal property because we "guessed" its stolen. If that were the case, we would not NEED laws, OR lawyers.
This is moot anyway, as the HDD is not even considered evidence by the court.
Lady Justice may be blind, but we're better off with her blindly protecting our rights, than blindly ignoring them. THATS Common Sense, and that is the Spirit of the law and our governments Constitution.
>>> But its not dust to Mitnick, its possibly important files. Now if there so important to Mitnik, then why wouldn't they be important to the Gov.
not the point, there his. because they dont belong to the gov.
>>>Take the gun out of the box, and put in 500,000 dollars, and make mitnik a bank robber. Should the gov get the combination of the box, or just give the money back to Mitnik?
Put whatever the hell you want in the box, He's not being charged with anything, and the government cant hold it as evidence by its own admission.
HOLY COW! I didnt even REMEMBER that I remembered those books!!! Anyone remember the "BOYS LIFE" magazines you used to get when you were a boy scout back in the eightys? They featured the comic strip versions of these books, they were pretty good I think, I dont trust my pre-puberty judgement though;)
>> What if it was a box that might contain a weapon in a murder case. If the police can't open this box, do they have to return what might be a dangerous object. If mitnick wants the contents of the box back so bad, why not just give them the key to open it. He cant be convicted of the same crime again, so even if it contains evidence of his previous crime, the gov. cant use it against him.
Yes they do, because the gun in this case has already been found, and the suspect has already been convicted of murder, and served his sentence. And, they CAN open the box, but all they see inside is metal shavings, could CONCIEVABLY have been/could be a gun, but they already charged him with using a different weapon, and they have no intention of using this box for any other porpose or as evidence, but he wants it back, its his dust.
>> If it is evidence of another crime, then why should he get it back. If its harmless, just give them the damn key.
Because its not evidence, the case is over and he isnt CHARGED with any other crime. The government cant come in your home, take your stuff, and say, "prove this is yours or you wont get it back, we arnt charging you with anything... BUT it is possible this stuff aint yours, If you have nothing to hide then prove it."
>To put it another way, the problem is that the property in question isn't his--he stole it from someone else, and isn't entitled to that portion of the data any more than a crack dealer is entitled to get his inventory back.
That would be true IF they knew that the data on the HDD was stolen, they dont. The property, the HDD is definately his. They may make a backup as evidence IF THE DATA is the evidence in question, but if they are not willing to use the evidence, or prove it IS evidence, they cant hold it.
The analogy about the crack dealer, well, everyone knows what crack is, its physical, and it was evidence used to convict the crack dealer, and it was tested to be sure it WAS crack, and then used against him in court. (unlike the data) The court never offered to give the crack dealer his crack back on the condition that he disclosed what he mixed it with. He will refuse to divulge the mix however;)
A felon SHOULDNT be disqualified from having guns or being around children or whatever...
If you cant be trusted to own a gun because of a crime you've committed, you shouldnt BE OUT OF JAIL. If you cant " " children " " crime " " you shouldnt BE OUT OF JAIL!
Criminals should be punished and then AFTER the punishment given their rights back. The government should NEVER have the power to strip the rights of people who are "on the street".
If the Jail wasnt enough without the additional punishment, then the Jail wasnt enough to fit the crime and should have been lengthened.
our founding fathers knew ALL too well how important it is to restrict the athority of the governments influence on the pedestrian citizen, and how "creative punishment" grants the government longer arms over ALL the citizens.
If the Judge felt that Kevin would still be a considerable threat to society after his term, then he did a shitty job deciding the length of the term.
I believe that the American Citizens right to use a computer will in the near future be regarded as a constitutional right parallel to the Second Ammendment, as the roles computers play or will play are the same ones that bearing arms played 200 years ago.
thats a stupid analogy, you dont have the RIGHT to drive, you need a license for the "privelige". You dont need a license to use a computer. NEVER LET THE GOVERNMENT TELL YOU A COMPUTER IS A PRIVELEDGE. BAD BAD BAD PRECIDENT!!!!!!!! ***VERY BAD***** Our 2nd ammendment right to bear ARMS should be ammended to include COMPUTERS also, for the same reason, TO keep the government in check. (and hey, defend your computer with your guns;)
>> Wrong. A law is a law. You protest a bad law by fighting to change it, yes. But as long as it's in effect, you still have to at least respect it. In this case, circumventing it is the only possible way to fight the law while still respecting it by following it (if only technically).
Thats not how a CITIZEN protests, thats how a LAWYER protests, even two of the most PASSIVE protesters in history will tell you that! You think Martin Luther King Jr. would have said "respect the LAW, stand up and give the white man his LEGAL RIGHT to take your bus seat"? No! You think Ghandi ever thought twice about picking up that grain of salt? Heck no!
Legal circumvention just muddies up the waters, and is largely responsible for the legal condition this country is in today with everyone looking for the loophole, and ignoring the SPIRIT of the law, instead we play word games with it, making it so complicated its hard to decipher what it even really means anymore. In the end, everyone is spouting doubletalk at each other, not saying what they mean, but in a way that fits the convoluted legal definition at that point. That is not RESPECT of the law, thats MANIPULATION of it. Circumvention of the law is breaking the law itself, and being dishonest to the spirit of the law. Circumvention creates grey areas and black markets, and tries harder to get the law reworded than it does to get it changed.
I respect the law enough that I will take action against those bad laws so my children wont have to "work around" them. that is not the America I will leave my children when I go. We will live in a country where we will not have to "sneak around" the law waiting for the men in black to find us. We will live our lives publicly, and in good faith. We will stand against bad laws publicly and in good faith. The law is created and maintained by common public concensus, although by representation. We are entering into an age where the internet is the most powerful public voice in existance, almost a digital jury. "mirror early, mirror often" is a good faith effort to change the law with our little digital jury, "distribute source for all but the illegal part..." is a bad faith attempt to let bad laws lie untill someone rewords it to account for the loophole they left open.
I noticed you're from (or in anyway) Rochester NY, You do remember the "toples seven" don't you? They argued that women should be able to go topless just like men. Now who would have thought they would take it to court and win!? Well, they did, they marched topless around Cobbs Hill park untill they got arrested, and won their case and changed the law. Rochester NY is the only city I know of that you can walk around topless legally. They had no desire to do so anyway, other than to change the law, if you look around, no one actually DOES walk around topless, but they changed a law that would otherwise still be there.
Anyway, mirror, mirror, mirror... I Dont personally have the need for an OS DVD player anymore than I need the right to be topless, but its the principle thats at stake here, and the *only* time this law ever went to court was when someone was charged with it.
You dont protest a BAD LAW by working around it, you protest a BAD LAW by NOT ABIDING BY IT. Only a crook needs to sidestep the law.
Civil disobedience is the only way to fight this.
To the MPAA: "Bring it on bitch."
>There's something we need to face here. In all probability, DeCSS is dead. The DVD-CCA and MPAA together have so many resources >that, unethical as their use may be, they'll win out. They've won this battle.
That kind of attitude gets BAD LAWS passed. When something is UNACCEPTABLE, DONT ACCEPT IT. period.
Now I know some people get all huffy when the word "Amiga" gets mentioned in an otherwise x86 conversation, but I gotta know... What the heck happened to all those rumors about Transmeta making the new Amiga processor?
It would be neat, just requires a code moduole, and it could be Classic Amiga downward compatible as well as PPC Amiga compatible. Anyone hear anything about them lately?
I've gotta say when I see that checkered boing ball in the/. topic bar it really brightens my day.
Slashdot Mirror
>> No law is ever justified.
;)
I like that. I really like that! Simple, to the point. catchy too
>> you mean these Mac OS Rumors are _Rumors_ in the sense of Rumors, not Rumors in the sense of verified fact?
Naa, its just a Rumor.
>>> Nobody is stopping you from making an exact copy of the media you purchase. What they are stopping you from doing is converting that media into another form which is more easily pirated. Copy protection is a misleading name, so perhaps you are confused. In most cases it doesn't prevent you from copying the media (anything that can be read can be copied), it just attempts to prevent you from making unlawful copies of the media (for instance copies for friends). What harms the consumer is the difficulty in making it impossible to make unlawful copies without impairing the customer's ability to use the software and make lawful copies. But it is, after all, easier to criticize an existing system than think one up yourself, so go right ahead
1) Someone IS stopping me, Blank DVD's have the encryption key track "zeroed out"
2) I'm NOT converting it into a "more easily pirated" form, I'm converting it into its NATIVE form. When was the last time you read a book with a Captain Crunch Decoder Ring? (Anyway, encrypted data is just as tranferable/"pirateable" as native).
3) Its not allowing me to make lawfull copies while preventing unlawfull copies, its not distinguishing my rightfull use from piracy at ALL. In fact, the media is USELESS without purchasing an ADDITIONAL PRODUCT (CSS licensed player)! I never agreed to this, and there is NO disclaimer on the box that this is anything but READABLE MEDIA like all other media that has set a precident to this point.
4) It could be argued that the CSS encryption was protected. You protect encryption in one of two ways...
A. You PATENT it, like all OTHER encryption routines in use in the united states, including the ones we use for commerce, national security, and OTHER things more serious than entertainment videos. or...
B. You keep it a trade secret like Coka Cola, Where you are at risk of people guessing its contents and trying to reverse engineer it.
You only have LEGAL recourse in case "A", However the CSS encryption was NEVER patented! They chose to keep it a trade secret rather than submit it to the patent office for legal protection. They can't legally REQUIRE you to use their DECRYPTION as their encryption scheme is not protected, and you have not agreed to that in any other way when you purchased the video. no disclaimer, no EULA, no patent.
Are we heading into a time when the knoledge of Reading, which we teach our children since age 4, must be licensed as a separate product from the media? Is it right to hold a monopoly over the license of a form of media? Is it right to deny a demographic group of people the right to access their media in its native format (or at ALL in the case of linux)? All this after the fact that they already legally purchased the media! Could this happen to other forms of media also? Could a corporation or group of, controll even written media? What makes one form of media different than another, and why shouldn't ALL media be covered by the same laws?
Why do we teach our children to read anyway? If Media itself can be controlled to those who pay a license to read it? regardless that they OWN the media theyre reading? Dark days are coming people.
A 16 year old child is being tried in court for READING, MEDIA... in its NATIVE FORMAT, while he was 15 years old. He had the courage to teach others to read. Now he's a criminal. Are these laws you want to support, just because its "easier to critisize, than think one up yourself"? Its appaling how easily Americans piss away their rights these days.
I want no part of it. I want my newspapers in English, I want ALL my media READABLE without a license. I urge everyone reading this post to NOT TAKE FOR GRANTED the fact that untill now you had the RIGHT TO READ your media... fight to keep it.
MIRROR that source like your lives depend on it, mirror it like your right to READ depends on it, IT DOES.
>>> Corel's been moped around quite a bit by Microsoft. Since Linux looks like it could actually be a viable alternative to Windows, it's not at all suprising that Corel helping it all it can to erase the definciense that Linux has on the desktop
... the list goes on (wheres AOL?)
see also IBM
" Netscape
" Compaq
" D.R.
its funny how Microsoft keeps making enemies and they all forge together through linux, its like the software "promised land"
>>> I can't let this continue. Robinson Crusoe Does not contain the N-word. you were trolled. h4w
;)
Great, now I'm going to be paranoid about everything I respond to
>>> I'm sick of this liberal "black people had it good" bullshit. Slavery was oppression, racism is oppression, and "seperate but equal" is oppression. You can't rewrite history in your white, eurocentric view anymore. We won't stand for it. And I sure as hell am not going to stand for Linux Torvalds oppressing black folk with this "Crusoe" bullshit.
This man has ISSUES.
I dought Linus gives a shit about racism, I'll bet you money he just thinks about programming and his job. Or it could be a cover up, Linux might just be a way to opress black people, wasnt that in the MAN pages in the latest kernel release?
Seriously though, want to talk REPRESSION? It seems no one can do a god damned thing without being called a racist anymore. I give absolutely *NO* support for *YOUR* brand of racial sympathy. Its not everyone elses fault you feel your repressed when you're creating this animosity towards those who've done nothing to you. You are a troublemaker and a bigot. 'Linus torvalds oppressing black folk' Now I've heard it all.
Its a name. Thats all. You know, not everything in this world is a hip shot at your ancestors. The name was chosen by a marketing research firm to decribe a mobile chip. I highly doubt they were thinking anything derogatory. the name was chosen in good faith, and didnt really deserve that. I sympathise with you, but when people in good faith get called racists it really starts wearing thin.
As for the confederate flag, I agree with you. The fact that we allow a confederate flag to fly patriotically in this country is sad, its as bad as a nazi flag, which is legal, but SHOULDNT BE CONDONED BY or own friggin government! What other country in this world would let a defeated revolutionary group raise their national flag on national soil? none. Even worse, its part of our OWN government raising it!
I advise you to choose your battles, Crusoe is a processor, not a bad word. The confederate flag is another issue. Boycotting South Carolina would be justified in my opinion, but boycotting Transmeta would just be malicious, as they have done absolutely nothing to you or anyone else, not even symbolically, and it would dilute perceptions of your cause.
South Carolina needs to get their Red Necks(tm) out of their asses. (oh shit, here come the tomatoes!)
>>> I really hate the fact that most PC's now won't turn off when you push the power button. When I want the god damn machine to turn off, I don't expect to have to pull the cord from the back. Obviously this was for the "idiots" who kept mistaking their power key for the Zip disk eject button. ;-)
/p j" to enable ATX ACPI auto power off, when you press the power button, windows will automatically shut down and then power off. You know you've done this correctly if instead of "plug and play BIOS" in the device manager it says "advanced configuration and power interface (ACPI) BIOS"
/P J"
You set up windows WRONG! use "setup
Most OEM's DONT do this properly, simply "SETUP" WONT do it. It MUST be "SETUP
This is the ONLY way to tell Winblows that you have an ACPI power button.
remember "setup space slash PEE space JAY" , you heard it here first folks.
Why are you reading Slashdot then? Do you go to porn sites and complain they have too many naked women on the site? Geez this is the kind of stuff you should EXPECT on slashdot, Computer Science. and being called "slashdot", dont you think it will be linux slanted?
>> We've seen it repeatedly: Slashdot condoning what are obviously illegal acts (and therefore immoral acts: the Bible clearly says to obey authority), such as Music piracy through "mp3s" and "Napster." Now, Slashdot readers are attempting to pirate DVDs through the "DeCSS" program, written by a young man who was obviously influenced in his evil ways by the culture of immorality and atheism that makes up this "Open Source" community. But when they must face the consequnces of their unlawful acts: watch out! The Slashdot Moral Relativism Squad takes control, and you better not speak out, or you'll be sent down to -1, where the dissidents, many of whom are actively trying to save Slashdot from its own decadence, gather with their posts.
>> So what am I saying: that respect for the law is what keeps society together, and when one group feels that it does not apply to them, then the ties of society are severed forever. We will probably see greater piracy now than ever, since it is not only seen as acceptable, but is in fact encouraged as a sort of rebellion, much in the same way as teen smoking or alcohol abuse (two other reprehensible acts). We must end this culture of disrespect, and we must do it together.
>> Now God tells us to love the sinner, but hate the sin, and as such, I cannot say that I hate you in my heart, but it is also our duty to teach, correct, and bear witness to the Scriptures and the love of Jesus and the doing of His will. So I am asking, pleading even that we may together end these hateful violation of both Earthly and Heavenly law.
>> May the Peace of Christ be with you all.
No law was broken, it is LEGAL to make a backup. It really makes me sick to my stomack when someone wants to spout bible passages in place of their side of the arguement, really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
The bible is not a replacement for understanding the issues you feel you should get involved in, thats ignorance, not to mention blasphemy.
But on that subject, revelations predicts a time when only people with a mark of 666 can purchase provisions. might 666 be an encryption key? As it is, only people who purchase licensed DVD players can play their encrypted DVD's, even though we never AGREED to those terms. PROOF CSS IS EVIL!!!
Just a thought...
Gods IP is PI
>>> He does have a point. The encryption is there to ensure a profit for liscensed DVD player manufacturers. By busting it, someone can potentially create their own, unliscensed player, taking profit from the manufacturer.
My response to this, however, is that anyone who cares enough can go out, buy all the parts, and build their own VHS player. It seems to me that distributing DeCSS is akin to distributing the plans and circuitry diagrams to a basic VHS player: It tells you how to make a player, if you want to make the effort.
I NEVER agreed to use a "licensed" player, I paid for MEDIA, and who's player I use for this media is my own F**** business.
>>> Another thing: The MPAA and accessories have recieved a lot of criticism over their attempt to prevent piracy using proprietary encryption. I'm curious to know, what other options are available? Patenting doesn't seem like it would work, as then the complete record of how it works would be on file for all to see. So what should they have done and what should they do the next time they release a new standard and want to prevent piracy?
I have a legal right to make an archival backup of ANY media I purchase. Copy protection is wrong, it always hurts the consumer. VHS Tapes arnt encrypted, how many "warez" sites have you seen with captured VHS tapes on them, I havent seen any, and DVD's would be even MORE difficult to capture and distribute just because of the sheer SIZE.
Mirror Mirror Mirror Mirror...
>> So, your supposed to keep some pedophile in prison just because he cant seem to keep his hands off the kiddies because of a mental problem he has? I am not a fan of phedophiles by any means, i think they should be drug off to a field an shot. but, I have a felony pending against me and am walking the tight rope to not get that on my record. say you owned a store or better yet a bank and this guy puts in his application, im sure youd love to know he was convicted of a felony such as burglary or hey even bank robbery. yes there are ways to get felonies off your record, but that whole system is good as it only allows those who have truely reformed to get it off of their record, and the people who dont i guess didnt want it that bad in the first place ? just my 2cents.
"JUST BECAUSE HE CANT KEEP HIS HANDS OFF THE KIDDIES"??? What are you smoking?! Yes, you keep him in jail. If he's crazy, make it a crazy jail. but NOT the street!
>> The blindfold on Lady Justice aside, the law need not ignore common sense. Given that he was convicted of stealing the data, it is flatly unreasonable to believe that it is not on that hard drive.
>> Given that, the only way that he can make a claim for the return of the physical drive is if all stolen date is wiped beyond recovery--and I'm not sure that that standard can be met
We dont try people on common sense, we have laws and lawyers instead. The problem with your definition of "Common Sense" is that it fits most peoples definition of "Guessing". We have Laws to protect us from charges that are "guessed", The law doesnt allow guessing, things must be proved, we dont put people in jail because we "guessed" he commited a crime. We cant hold personal property because we "guessed" its stolen. If that were the case, we would not NEED laws, OR lawyers.
This is moot anyway, as the HDD is not even considered evidence by the court.
Lady Justice may be blind, but we're better off with her blindly protecting our rights, than blindly ignoring them. THATS Common Sense, and that is the Spirit of the law and our governments Constitution.
>>> But its not dust to Mitnick, its possibly important files. Now if there so important to Mitnik, then why wouldn't they be important to the Gov.
not the point, there his. because they dont belong to the gov.
>>>Take the gun out of the box, and put in 500,000 dollars, and make mitnik a bank robber. Should the gov get the combination of the box, or just give the money back to Mitnik?
Put whatever the hell you want in the box, He's not being charged with anything, and the government cant hold it as evidence by its own admission.
HOLY COW! I didnt even REMEMBER that I remembered those books!!! Anyone remember the "BOYS LIFE" magazines you used to get when you were a boy scout back in the eightys? They featured the comic strip versions of these books, they were pretty good I think, I dont trust my pre-puberty judgement though ;)
>> What if it was a box that might contain a weapon in a murder case. If the police can't open this box, do they have to return what might be a dangerous object. If mitnick wants the contents of the box back so bad, why not just give them the key to open it. He cant be convicted of the same crime again, so even if it contains evidence of his previous crime, the gov. cant use it against him.
Yes they do, because the gun in this case has already been found, and the suspect has already been convicted of murder, and served his sentence. And, they CAN open the box, but all they see inside is metal shavings, could CONCIEVABLY have been/could be a gun, but they already charged him with using a different weapon, and they have no intention of using this box for any other porpose or as evidence, but he wants it back, its his dust.
>> If it is evidence of another crime, then why should he get it back. If its harmless, just give them the damn key.
Because its not evidence, the case is over and he isnt CHARGED with any other crime. The government cant come in your home, take your stuff, and say, "prove this is yours or you wont get it back, we arnt charging you with anything... BUT it is possible this stuff aint yours, If you have nothing to hide then prove it."
>To put it another way, the problem is that the property in question isn't his--he stole it from someone else, and isn't entitled to that portion of the data any more than a crack dealer is entitled to get his inventory back.
;)
That would be true IF they knew that the data on the HDD was stolen, they dont. The property, the HDD is definately his. They may make a backup as evidence IF THE DATA is the evidence in question, but if they are not willing to use the evidence, or prove it IS evidence, they cant hold it.
The analogy about the crack dealer, well, everyone knows what crack is, its physical, and it was evidence used to convict the crack dealer, and it was tested to be sure it WAS crack, and then used against him in court. (unlike the data) The court never offered to give the crack dealer his crack back on the condition that he disclosed what he mixed it with. He will refuse to divulge the mix however
A felon SHOULDNT be disqualified from having guns or being around children or whatever...
If you cant be trusted to own a gun because of a crime you've committed, you shouldnt BE OUT OF JAIL. If you cant " " children " " crime " " you shouldnt BE OUT OF JAIL!
Criminals should be punished and then AFTER the punishment given their rights back. The government should NEVER have the power to strip the rights of people who are "on the street".
If the Jail wasnt enough without the additional punishment, then the Jail wasnt enough to fit the crime and should have been lengthened.
our founding fathers knew ALL too well how important it is to restrict the athority of the governments influence on the pedestrian citizen, and how "creative punishment" grants the government longer arms over ALL the citizens.
If the Judge felt that Kevin would still be a considerable threat to society after his term, then he did a shitty job deciding the length of the term.
I believe that the American Citizens right to use a computer will in the near future be regarded as a constitutional right parallel to the Second Ammendment, as the roles computers play or will play are the same ones that bearing arms played 200 years ago.
Power to the People
thats a stupid analogy, you dont have the RIGHT to drive, you need a license for the "privelige". You dont need a license to use a computer. NEVER LET THE GOVERNMENT TELL YOU A COMPUTER IS A PRIVELEDGE. BAD BAD BAD PRECIDENT!!!!!!!! ***VERY BAD***** Our 2nd ammendment right to bear ARMS should be ammended to include COMPUTERS also, for the same reason, TO keep the government in check. (and hey, defend your computer with your guns ;)
>> Wrong. A law is a law. You protest a bad law by fighting to change it, yes. But as long as it's in effect, you still have to at least respect it. In this case, circumventing it is the only possible way to fight the law while still respecting it by following it (if only technically).
Thats not how a CITIZEN protests, thats how a LAWYER protests, even two of the most PASSIVE protesters in history will tell you that! You think Martin Luther King Jr. would have said "respect the LAW, stand up and give the white man his LEGAL RIGHT to take your bus seat"?
No! You think Ghandi ever thought twice about picking up that grain of salt? Heck no!
Legal circumvention just muddies up the waters, and is largely responsible for the legal condition this country is in today with everyone looking for the loophole, and ignoring the SPIRIT of the law, instead we play word games with it, making it so complicated its hard to decipher what it even really means anymore. In the end, everyone is spouting doubletalk at each other, not saying what they mean, but in a way that fits the convoluted legal definition at that point. That is not RESPECT of the law, thats MANIPULATION of it. Circumvention of the law is breaking the law itself, and being dishonest to the spirit of the law. Circumvention creates grey areas and black markets, and tries harder to get the law reworded than it does to get it changed.
I respect the law enough that I will take action against those bad laws so my children wont have to "work around" them. that is not the America I will leave my children when I go. We will live in a country where we will not have to "sneak around" the law waiting for the men in black to find us. We will live our lives publicly, and in good faith. We will stand against bad laws publicly and in good faith. The law is created and maintained by common public concensus, although by representation. We are entering into an age where the internet is the most powerful public voice in existance, almost a digital jury. "mirror early, mirror often" is a good faith effort to change the law with our little digital jury, "distribute source for all but the illegal part..." is a bad faith attempt to let bad laws lie untill someone rewords it to account for the loophole they left open.
I noticed you're from (or in anyway) Rochester NY, You do remember the "toples seven" don't you? They argued that women should be able to go topless just like men. Now who would have thought they would take it to court and win!? Well, they did, they marched topless around Cobbs Hill park untill they got arrested, and won their case and changed the law. Rochester NY is the only city I know of that you can walk around topless legally.
They had no desire to do so anyway, other than to change the law, if you look around, no one actually DOES walk around topless, but they changed a law that would otherwise still be there.
Anyway, mirror, mirror, mirror... I Dont personally have the need for an OS DVD player anymore than I need the right to be topless, but its the principle thats at stake here, and the *only* time this law ever went to court was when someone was charged with it.
You dont protest a BAD LAW by working around it, you protest a BAD LAW by NOT ABIDING BY IT. Only a crook needs to sidestep the law.
Civil disobedience is the only way to fight this.
To the MPAA: "Bring it on bitch."
>There's something we need to face here. In all probability, DeCSS is dead. The DVD-CCA and MPAA together have so many resources >that, unethical as their use may be, they'll win out. They've won this battle.
That kind of attitude gets BAD LAWS passed. When something is UNACCEPTABLE, DONT ACCEPT IT. period.
Why hasnt the ACLU stepped up? I think we need the "ADLU" (American Digital Liberties Union) to be started, I'd support it.
Now I know some people get all huffy when the word "Amiga" gets mentioned in an otherwise x86 conversation, but I gotta know... What the heck happened to all those rumors about Transmeta making the new Amiga processor?
/. topic bar it really brightens my day.
It would be neat, just requires a code moduole, and it could be Classic Amiga downward compatible as well as PPC Amiga compatible. Anyone hear anything about them lately?
I've gotta say when I see that checkered boing ball in the
Mlinux wasnt created because you NEED it, its simply a value-add for OEM's that want an option of having a ROM based linux distro.