Actually, I think you're pretty stupid. Why? Because I don't use napster, never have used napster, have never pirated anything, and you blindly assumed I do. That make you pretty stupid, doesn't it? An ass, more or less.
Well, first off, I apologize if you took my "you"'s to mean you personally. When I say "If you do this", I meant it in the general sense of "If someone does this". I never meant to accuse you of being a pirate. Also, I quote here: "The legality of companies like NetPD to snoop a computer in my house without my permission or a judge-issued warrant". See, you were doing it yourself. Finally, you're jumping into an argument about something that you just admit that you don't use (and your lack of knowledge there backs up that claim).
Now, second off. Who's the ass here? I never resorted to name calling or bashing, yet you feel that you must do that to win the argument. Try winning with facts and for bonus points, don't make them up...
When I invite a police officer into my house for a cup of coffee, or as a friend/neighbor, that's completely different from that officer entering my house on offical business. The courts have already decided that.
Ah, but do you think that if you posted a classified ad in your newspaper for 20 kilos of heroin, that the police would be coming over for coffee? That's exactly what you're (in the general sense in case you didn't catch that) doing when you post the list of songs that you have available for download on Napster's service. You're basically posting an ad for your songs. That's public info there buddy and it's not illegal for someone to use that in the legal system. I can't say whether that info will stand up in court, but it's sufficient proof for Napster to ban those users.
The phone company can monitor my line -- only for the purpose of "quality testing" -- and for no other reason. The courts have decided that as well.
Yes, well there is a little bit of difference between you calling somebody and posting a listing of your songs on-line.
NetPD, 'tallica and the RIAA have done far more damage to the public's right to communicate that the public has done to their revenue stream. It has to stop. Can't argue with that. I think so too, but you're own arguments are about what's legal. Does the public's right to communicate mean that they can communicate illegal info? NO. Therefor, whether what they are doing is good for the public or not, they are doing what they are legally entitled to do.
Your accusion of my criminal behavior, without any facts, proof, or evidence, when I have violated no law, is exactly the point I am trying to make. Thank you for making it for me.
Heh, after you go off calling me a fool and an asshole for "assuming", you assumed that I was accusing you. If you've read this far, you'd realize that I wasn't doing that and I've already apoligized if you mistook this for that.
People are innocent until proven guilty, and that proof must be obtained legally, or at least that was the case until morons like 'tallica, the RIAA, and you spewed their dollars and/or idiocy on an ignorant legislature and judicial system.
Tell you what, let's let someone with a little more intelligence try to make that decision. How about the courts? That's what we pay them for.
Well, I'm sorry that I just wasted my time preaching to a troll. You quote a lot of laws and then try to compare something totally different with them. This isn't a little kids game where you get to try to shove the square block through the round hole with a hammer. I can't argue with the laws you post but I most certainly wonder how you think that this case has anything to do with them. Oh well, you can flame away at me if you want. Just remember, every name you call me just detracts from your message. Calling me names just makes you look childish and says that you don't even think you could win this argument without being abusive. Well, I deal with you people all the time, it doesn't work. But you've already proven that:)
1) The legality of companies like NetPD to snoop a computer in my house without my permission or a judge-issued warrant;
When you sign on to Napster, you make all of the files that you chose to put in your library available for other to browse and download. NetPD didn't do anything wrong by browsing this.
2) The legality of 'tallica to hire a third party such as netPD to compile information about me and my computer uses without my permission or a judge-issued warrant;
Again, it's not snooping when you are online, sharing files. You don't have to put those MP3's on Napster and you can even remove them from your shared library without deleting them. It's not snooping when you voluntarily and willingly share files online and someone looks at them for a reason other than downloading them.
3) The legality of 'tallica to coerce a software company to deny me access to their product based on the data aquired in 1) and 2);
That isn't Metallica's doing. That's Napster's own policy. Didn't you read the agreement when you signed up?
I understand that 'tallica and the RIAA are concerned about the impact of emerging technologies on their revenue stream. They have a point. But they are stomping around in people's living rooms, and decisions made now could have a chilling effect on the future of our privacy on the net.
Wow, you're sounding like a broken record. "They're stomping around in people's living rooms". Well, here's my broken record. You invited them there by putting your files up for display using Napster.
You ask a lot of stupid legal questions but there aren't any legal arguments behind them. When you signed up to Napster, you agreed that you could be banned for trading illegal content. When you add a song to your library, you are putting that on public display. If you don't like that, don't put the files in your Napster library. That's like setting up a Warez Web server in your house and complaining when lawyers ask you to take it down. Did you give them permission to search that computer? Explicitly, NO - By posting it on a public forum (the web), yes.
DOJ vs. Microsoft - Part II REDMOND - Microsoft today announced that pursuent to DOJ recommendations, they are removing the File and Print Sharing protocols from their Windows OS. This comes because of DMCA, a law that they lobbied to pass. Among the other list of programs affected are Novell Netware, Napster, Apache, FTP clients and servers, IE, Netscape and all NIC drivers.
Come on. A typical lawyer makes $200-$300 per hour. Would you want to do something that only takes 30 seconds at that rate when you could spend days getting paid your regular hourly rate?
The issue in question was putting up copies of copyrighted material/ways to circumvent it.
The issue is whether these copyrights are lawful. Also, telling someone how to circumvent something is NOT illegal. It's called freedom of speech. You know, that little tiny amendment in the Bill of Rights.
Way to go. Make MS look like idiots by pointing out how childish they've been. These are all really good questions. I just wonder what type of FUD answers they'll come up with?
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That's already happened. If you're talking about loosing the hype surrounding e-Commerce, just check the stock histories of eBay, eToys, Amazon and most other so called e-tailers. Guess what, they're all way down compared to where they were. I think they e-tailing hype has already worn off, at least in the eyes of investors.
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Moderate Dr.Sp0ng's comment up. Whoever submitted the story to Slashdot was being a little over-dramatic. Since when does one site going under lead to the conclusion that e-commerce (I hate the word too) is failing? We have (retail) stores here that go out of business all the time. Usually, they're small businesses but every now and then we have a larger firm go out. Nobody thinks that it's the end of retail when a statewide hardware store chain suddenly closed down. E-commerce is just starting and while it's often shaky, it's going to be here for a long time.
That said, someone needs to stop running around yelling "The sky is falling, the sky is falling".
Let's face it. The biggest challenge to getting more Linux games is that the producers and distributors don't know enough about Linux. Unfortunately, these businesses aren't going to money into what the "think" is a small, rebel faction that only care about hacking their product and getting software for free. We all know it's not true, but the media and some other monopolistic, multi-national companies (*cough) have done such a great FUD campaign that it's what they (the corporations) believe.
We really need to get a corporate education program going. Somewhere that can help create demos for these shows as well as providing people access to information that they can present to their bosses. Maybe if we could show these companies that you can make money doing Linux games, we'd get more support.
Just what we need. The stupid 3D paper clip jumps up and tells you it loves you...
Seriously, who really uses them anyways (don't answer that!). Anyone who needs that damned annoyance is already in need of some help. They're the ones that will run trojan horses and other "unknown" files out of ignorance.
Huh, that's funny. Those are very hard to play without moving the mouse. As everyone who's used NT knows, you have to reboot the system every time you move the mouse so that the changes take effect.
Come on, 731Mhz? Why not pull some weird processor speed out of the air? I mean, at least the x86's had 733's. I guess Intel owns the 733 market and Boeing has the rights to 737's... 731 kind of has a ring to it though.
Seriously though, this is a cool system. I just wish I could afford one.
1) This is not really "news for nerds", in the sense that it is not about Linux or open source issues.
OK, first off, I'm really getting sick of this. Nerds don't have to be interested in Linux or Open Source to be a Nerd. That's how you define yourself and therefor you think that all nerds should be like you, right? Because this doesn't interest you doesn't mean that you have to troll the article or that it's not important to other people that consider themselves nerds...
I have been using the Internet almost since it started, and can even remeber the pre-web technologies like "gopher", "wais" and "veronica". If I need to find a web page, I can always use one of the major search engines like googal and altavista it doesn't matter to me if Joe Average's page is not linked, since it is probably something he hacked together one evening and put up at geocities, and has not updated it for over a year.
Wow, how often do you use "googal"? I mean, if you can't even spell google right, why should we believe that you have any knowledge of the internet? And the typical "Joe Average" doesn't have that page up there for you, it's for family and friends. Very few personal pages have a target audience larger than people they know or people that want information on them.
I find all these "personal" pages on the web are a major irritant, as they seldom contain useful information, and they clog up the search engines with non-relavent crap, by polluting the search space.
If I want to know what Joe Sixpack in Assmunch Arizona called his dog, or to see pictures of his pickup truck, I would ask him. But I don't.
Have you heard of logical searches? If you know how to search the web properly, you should be able to find just about anything that you are wanting within the first 5 hits. Know what search engines to use for what you want and how to use the logical operators to filter that "non-relevant" crap.
It is about time that us "geeks" re-claimed our Internet from the dumbed down masses. We should return to the days of ARPA, when only people with a legitimate requirement could get net access. The "democratization" (i.e. moronification) of the web has gone too far and is responsible for the majority of problems us "original internet users" are seeing. The flood of newbies must not only be stopped, it needs to be REVERSED. These non-tech-savvy people need cable TV, and not something as sophisticated and potentially dangerous as the Internet.
Perhaps a new more exclusive "elite" (in the good sense of the word) Internet should be set up, running only IPv6. Then we could capture some of the community spirit of the pre-AOL "good old days". And maybe these spammers, skript kiddies and trolls would back off.
Ooh, just what the web needs, more "elite" people like you. Dammit, the web is about information, equality and business. It's not just for you "31337 H@X0RZ" anymore. Grow up! Most of the technology that you're using today was devoloped because of the popularity of technology. You try to "reclaim" technology for your little group and you'll shink the market for it so much that companies won't bother with it.
I (very unfortunately) have lived in New Mexico all my life (about 70 miles from the labs). Most of those 43 square miles are very rough forest and mountains. It's not "science geek's offices", it's rocky mountains and underground bunkers.
Besides, all the locals here that know anything about that labs are dying laughing. There was never any danger to any nuclear materials. The bunkers that they are in are far underground and in completely fireproof caverns with fire buffers around them. To top it off, the bunkers are built to withstand a direct hit from a 747. If you'd like some more info on the fires though, check out our local news coverage at www.abqjournal.com or www.kobtv.com.
The link works because one of the editors from the Slashdot gang saw one of these posts and changed the article to make it work. So, rather than wasting your karma on troll posts like that, why not put a little bit of thought into what you're saying?
It's not about free speach here, it's about certain people posting copyrighted material. Some people went out and copied information that Microsoft owns directly to/., breaking the legally binding terms that they agreed to when they gained access to that info.
MS has the same right to ask for their copyrighted work to be removed as Douglas Adams would if someone posted the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy on Slashdot.
OK, I have some mixed feelings on this. On one side, it is unfair for Microsoft to try to remove this from Slashdot. It's censorship of something that is freely available but something they still wish to keep tabs on.
On the other hand, when you download the files, you agree (and the document even states that you must agree with it if you are wanting to use it) to the terms and conditions of Microsoft. One of those is that you don't copy or reproduce it.
People downloaded this and then broke the law by posting it here. Slashdot isn't a place to spread illegal materials. These aren't original posts here, they're copyright infringements of documents made by Microsoft.
I'm not a MS fan, but I think that/. should pull these down as they're Microsoft's work and not original posts...
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Well, first off, I apologize if you took my "you"'s to mean you personally. When I say "If you do this", I meant it in the general sense of "If someone does this". I never meant to accuse you of being a pirate. Also, I quote here: "The legality of companies like NetPD to snoop a computer in my house without my permission or a judge-issued warrant". See, you were doing it yourself. Finally, you're jumping into an argument about something that you just admit that you don't use (and your lack of knowledge there backs up that claim).
Now, second off. Who's the ass here? I never resorted to name calling or bashing, yet you feel that you must do that to win the argument. Try winning with facts and for bonus points, don't make them up...
When I invite a police officer into my house for a cup of coffee, or as a friend/neighbor, that's completely different from that officer entering my house on offical business. The courts have already decided that.
Ah, but do you think that if you posted a classified ad in your newspaper for 20 kilos of heroin, that the police would be coming over for coffee? That's exactly what you're (in the general sense in case you didn't catch that) doing when you post the list of songs that you have available for download on Napster's service. You're basically posting an ad for your songs. That's public info there buddy and it's not illegal for someone to use that in the legal system. I can't say whether that info will stand up in court, but it's sufficient proof for Napster to ban those users.
The phone company can monitor my line -- only for the purpose of "quality testing" -- and for no other reason. The courts have decided that as well.
Yes, well there is a little bit of difference between you calling somebody and posting a listing of your songs on-line.
NetPD, 'tallica and the RIAA have done far more damage to the public's right to communicate that the public has done to their revenue stream. It has to stop. Can't argue with that. I think so too, but you're own arguments are about what's legal. Does the public's right to communicate mean that they can communicate illegal info? NO. Therefor, whether what they are doing is good for the public or not, they are doing what they are legally entitled to do.
Your accusion of my criminal behavior, without any facts, proof, or evidence, when I have violated no law, is exactly the point I am trying to make. Thank you for making it for me.
Heh, after you go off calling me a fool and an asshole for "assuming", you assumed that I was accusing you. If you've read this far, you'd realize that I wasn't doing that and I've already apoligized if you mistook this for that.
People are innocent until proven guilty, and that proof must be obtained legally, or at least that was the case until morons like 'tallica, the RIAA, and you spewed their dollars and/or idiocy on an ignorant legislature and judicial system.
Tell you what, let's let someone with a little more intelligence try to make that decision. How about the courts? That's what we pay them for.
Well, I'm sorry that I just wasted my time preaching to a troll. You quote a lot of laws and then try to compare something totally different with them. This isn't a little kids game where you get to try to shove the square block through the round hole with a hammer. I can't argue with the laws you post but I most certainly wonder how you think that this case has anything to do with them. Oh well, you can flame away at me if you want. Just remember, every name you call me just detracts from your message. Calling me names just makes you look childish and says that you don't even think you could win this argument without being abusive. Well, I deal with you people all the time, it doesn't work. But you've already proven that :)
kwsNI
When you sign on to Napster, you make all of the files that you chose to put in your library available for other to browse and download. NetPD didn't do anything wrong by browsing this.
2) The legality of 'tallica to hire a third party such as netPD to compile information about me and my computer uses without my permission or a judge-issued warrant;
Again, it's not snooping when you are online, sharing files. You don't have to put those MP3's on Napster and you can even remove them from your shared library without deleting them. It's not snooping when you voluntarily and willingly share files online and someone looks at them for a reason other than downloading them.
3) The legality of 'tallica to coerce a software company to deny me access to their product based on the data aquired in 1) and 2);
That isn't Metallica's doing. That's Napster's own policy. Didn't you read the agreement when you signed up?
I understand that 'tallica and the RIAA are concerned about the impact of emerging technologies on their revenue stream. They have a point. But they are stomping around in people's living rooms, and decisions made now could have a chilling effect on the future of our privacy on the net.
Wow, you're sounding like a broken record. "They're stomping around in people's living rooms". Well, here's my broken record. You invited them there by putting your files up for display using Napster.
You ask a lot of stupid legal questions but there aren't any legal arguments behind them. When you signed up to Napster, you agreed that you could be banned for trading illegal content. When you add a song to your library, you are putting that on public display. If you don't like that, don't put the files in your Napster library. That's like setting up a Warez Web server in your house and complaining when lawyers ask you to take it down. Did you give them permission to search that computer? Explicitly, NO - By posting it on a public forum (the web), yes.
kwsNI
DOJ vs. Microsoft - Part II
REDMOND - Microsoft today announced that pursuent to DOJ recommendations, they are removing the File and Print Sharing protocols from their Windows OS. This comes because of DMCA, a law that they lobbied to pass. Among the other list of programs affected are Novell Netware, Napster, Apache, FTP clients and servers, IE, Netscape and all NIC drivers.
kwsNI
Come on. A typical lawyer makes $200-$300 per hour. Would you want to do something that only takes 30 seconds at that rate when you could spend days getting paid your regular hourly rate?
kwsNI
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. (English)
Crainte, Incertitude, Doute (French)
Timore, Incertezza, Dubbio (Italian)
Miedo, Incertidumbre, Duda (Spanish)
Furcht, Ungewißheit, Zweifel (German)
The issue in question was putting up copies of copyrighted material/ways to circumvent it.
The issue is whether these copyrights are lawful. Also, telling someone how to circumvent something is NOT illegal. It's called freedom of speech. You know, that little tiny amendment in the Bill of Rights.
kwsNI
Way to go. Make MS look like idiots by pointing out how childish they've been. These are all really good questions. I just wonder what type of FUD answers they'll come up with?
kwsNI
That's already happened. If you're talking about loosing the hype surrounding e-Commerce, just check the stock histories of eBay, eToys, Amazon and most other so called e-tailers. Guess what, they're all way down compared to where they were. I think they e-tailing hype has already worn off, at least in the eyes of investors.
kwsNI
That said, someone needs to stop running around yelling "The sky is falling, the sky is falling".
kwsNI
What's going to happen to 7 of #9? :)
kwsNI
We really need to get a corporate education program going. Somewhere that can help create demos for these shows as well as providing people access to information that they can present to their bosses. Maybe if we could show these companies that you can make money doing Linux games, we'd get more support.
kwsNI
Funny, it always seemed appropriate for CowboyNeal articles.
kwsNI
Seriously, who really uses them anyways (don't answer that!). Anyone who needs that damned annoyance is already in need of some help. They're the ones that will run trojan horses and other "unknown" files out of ignorance.
kwsNI
Huh, that's funny. Those are very hard to play without moving the mouse. As everyone who's used NT knows, you have to reboot the system every time you move the mouse so that the changes take effect.
kwsNI
Yeah, let's blame Canada.
kwsNI
Ahh, but nice tits on a kick-ass Quake player? That's be one hell of a LAN party...
kwsNI
Correction, Hot geek chick that could kick your ass at Quake, naked, yum!
kwsNI
Seriously though, this is a cool system. I just wish I could afford one.
kwsNI
OK, first off, I'm really getting sick of this. Nerds don't have to be interested in Linux or Open Source to be a Nerd. That's how you define yourself and therefor you think that all nerds should be like you, right? Because this doesn't interest you doesn't mean that you have to troll the article or that it's not important to other people that consider themselves nerds...
I have been using the Internet almost since it started, and can even remeber the pre-web technologies like "gopher", "wais" and "veronica". If I need to find a web page, I can always use one of the major search engines like googal and altavista it doesn't matter to me if Joe Average's page is not linked, since it is probably something he hacked together one evening and put up at geocities, and has not updated it for over a year.
Wow, how often do you use "googal"? I mean, if you can't even spell google right, why should we believe that you have any knowledge of the internet? And the typical "Joe Average" doesn't have that page up there for you, it's for family and friends. Very few personal pages have a target audience larger than people they know or people that want information on them.
I find all these "personal" pages on the web are a major irritant, as they seldom contain useful information, and they clog up the search engines with non-relavent crap, by polluting the search space.
If I want to know what Joe Sixpack in Assmunch Arizona called his dog, or to see pictures of his pickup truck, I would ask him. But I don't.
Have you heard of logical searches? If you know how to search the web properly, you should be able to find just about anything that you are wanting within the first 5 hits. Know what search engines to use for what you want and how to use the logical operators to filter that "non-relevant" crap.
It is about time that us "geeks" re-claimed our Internet from the dumbed down masses. We should return to the days of ARPA, when only people with a legitimate requirement could get net access. The "democratization" (i.e. moronification) of the web has gone too far and is responsible for the majority of problems us "original internet users" are seeing. The flood of newbies must not only be stopped, it needs to be REVERSED. These non-tech-savvy people need cable TV, and not something as sophisticated and potentially dangerous as the Internet.
Perhaps a new more exclusive "elite" (in the good sense of the word) Internet should be set up, running only IPv6. Then we could capture some of the community spirit of the pre-AOL "good old days". And maybe these spammers, skript kiddies and trolls would back off.
Ooh, just what the web needs, more "elite" people like you. Dammit, the web is about information, equality and business. It's not just for you "31337 H@X0RZ" anymore. Grow up! Most of the technology that you're using today was devoloped because of the popularity of technology. You try to "reclaim" technology for your little group and you'll shink the market for it so much that companies won't bother with it.
kwsNI
Sorry, but "World Wide Bow Tie" just doesn't do it for me. Plus, we'd have to rename W3C to W2BTC, and that would just screw things up...
kwsNI
It's the dreaded day star.
kwsNI
Besides, all the locals here that know anything about that labs are dying laughing. There was never any danger to any nuclear materials. The bunkers that they are in are far underground and in completely fireproof caverns with fire buffers around them. To top it off, the bunkers are built to withstand a direct hit from a 747. If you'd like some more info on the fires though, check out our local news coverage at www.abqjournal.com or www.kobtv.com.
kwsNI
The link works because one of the editors from the Slashdot gang saw one of these posts and changed the article to make it work. So, rather than wasting your karma on troll posts like that, why not put a little bit of thought into what you're saying?
kwsNI
MS has the same right to ask for their copyrighted work to be removed as Douglas Adams would if someone posted the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy on Slashdot.
kwsNI
On the other hand, when you download the files, you agree (and the document even states that you must agree with it if you are wanting to use it) to the terms and conditions of Microsoft. One of those is that you don't copy or reproduce it.
People downloaded this and then broke the law by posting it here. Slashdot isn't a place to spread illegal materials. These aren't original posts here, they're copyright infringements of documents made by Microsoft.
I'm not a MS fan, but I think that /. should pull these down as they're Microsoft's work and not original posts...
kwsNI
Maybe these companies should charge less for their CD's and fire some of their lawyers, fire NetPD and drop some of their stupid lawsuits.
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