This stuff actually hurts these guys (if they are serious and not a big hoax). I'll have fun and critisize some of this:
Their native compiler achieves 8.5 FPU instructions per cycle
On what code!? It's elementary on some codes and all but impossible on other... This statement in and of itself is only FUDish, and damaging if they really have a product.
The E2K has SMP Built-in
And 'built in SMP' means what?? Cache coherence? Two cores in the same chip?
should have Merced compatibility and only loses 20-30% speed when compiling foreign instruction sets with respect to the E2K's native performance.
As very little is actually known about Merced, this is more than a little silly...
And re: the SPEC numbers.. Please DO show me the memory interface for those numbers..
Finally, these guys have AFAIK never designed a single chip CPU.. Oh, they've done some really fast systems considering their limitations in process technology, but there are some differences between thousands-of-chips CPUs and single chip ones..
I'm certain a lot of nice people will correct me where I'm wrong;-)
Again: This kind of publicity could be damaging to them if they really have a product. Lots of people will start to think they're just like me: hot air speakers
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
The last message I saw from NVIDIA on that subject was "NO FSCKing WAY!!".:-(
I don't have a reference handy as to where I saw it but if noone else posts one I'll do some digging..
If you read the review on tomshardware you'll se that he suspects that vodo3 is just a better banshee so it'll hopefully be at worst 'trivial' to support that too:-/
If they'd release full specs I'd by one, 'they' are any maker of fast 3d cards;-) (the G200 isn't 'fast enough' today, considering the cards due 'real-soon-now')
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
I can assure you that the project was not using Excel, but MS Access. But that project isn't ready or in use right now. (Well neither is acceptable but.. )
And it was supposed to be ready '96 if memory serves, when will it be... And wasn't there another wonderful project that came to nothing after about as much money and as bad components?! I remember laughing and crying at the same time when I read "My honour as a consultant forbids me to stay on this project".... I'm a taxpayer and they're squandering MY money!!
Anyhow the swedes have quite cool military systems, but I can't speek about that here =)
Oh, JAS is actually good. It crashes less than other models, but at the most inappropriate times;-) And we all know that they write the best manuals available!
However, the Swedish military's IT strategy is the worst fsckup I've ever witnessed, makes me want to puke.. Like when Major "lets keep the schmeghead anonymous" boasts about having paid USD 50 M or so for access to MS Win NT 4 source... GAHH!!
They kept bwz as a slave for ten months, He's got bones to pick;-);-)
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
Yeah, it's seriously silly that their nuclear defense depends on a satellite that 'a bunch of hackers' can hi-jack.. Blame the hackers? 'Oh mommy them evil people took my nukes, can I please have them back?'.. Reminds me of the Swedish armed forces and their oh so great IT projects, they used Microsoft Excel as a database for the USD 50 M strategic control system!!
Any army that wants to hire a fire-breathing self-proclaimed security and IT specialist (hacker)? I'm also well skilled in the military prerequisites (shoe polishing and other such activities) and I know how to roll a beret...
If they had hi-jacked one of the British subs that actually carry nukes I'd be afraid, but this just makes it a bit harder for them to retaliate (or start) nuclear attacks.
Them being British, will it be shown that they got some secret codes by blackmailing the right guy with inappropriate pictures?;-)
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
I just don't get it. *How* could use a computer about as fast as a 386 to edit graphics???
Depends on the definition of 'graphics';-) For the skilled 32 colour hi-res is just a bit tricky for high quality images.. And the CPU wasn't alone - the system is probably best described as an asymmetrical shared-memory multiprocessor.
You need LOTS of RAM and LOTS of megaflops to do that.
It didn't store tv quality video, it processed it.
Unless of course you actually means something like a paint program - but I could do that on my 386.
DeluxePaint 4 on PeeCee?! BAH!!;)
How could you use 65 meg HD to store graphics and music??? They just wouldn't fit. Unless by music you actually mean mods / mids - but hey, my 386 had 100 Mb HD, enough to store lots of "music".
MODs, and some damn high quality mods too.
And finally, how can you squeeze a GUI in 300k??? It just doesn't make sence.
512k ROM too, the workbench program was more like 60k IIRC, can't check as I'm currently being 'retro' and plays Giana Sisters on my A500 through my bttv tuner!:-P
I think you are exagurating.
He is NOT!
And finally, how much did your A1200 cost? My 386sx25 with 2 Mb RAM, 100 Mb HD was $1050
With HD the A1200 was something like that. My A500 was ~ USD500 or so (don't remember USD/SEK ratio back then, SEK 4 or 5k).
Oh, and my PC had Windows 3.1
The only Microsoft program I've ever paid for was ms basic for Amiga that came with the '500. it was THE WORST TRIPE ANYONE HAS EVER DARED TO NAME 'PROGRAMMING TOOL'!!!.. If we compare MS Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS to AmigaDOS and Workbench (1.3) I'd choose the non crashing of them every time. You guess which one is the non crashing;)
Finally, there were *tons* of games for PCs. Of course Doom didn't run on my system:-( but I did play Wolfenstein, Civilization, Prince of Persia, Golden Axe, +lots of other awesome games. Did you have anything like it on your Amiga?
He he, most of those were released for the Amiga before they came for the PeeCee. Wolfenstein 3D (Think that's the one you're talking 'bout - never seen original Wolfenstein for PC) was a PC game and I don't know if it ever was ported. Games were the great thing about the Amiga, lots more and much better graphics and sound than PC contemporaries.
Oh, btw, was AmigaDOS 32 bit? Was it Unix-like?
32bit yes, UNIX like? nooo.. Got the slashes right and the commands were more UNIX like than the MS-DOS commands, but the internals were only Amiga like. The most sorrowly missed feature is that I can't say "dir foo:" and get prompted "please insert volume foo" on Linux ('foo' being a name of the media, not the media reader):-(
bwz gropes amongst his 2,500 880k floppies, which will the next game be? Ah, better dead than alien.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
A system able to process events before they become old.
The rate-of-failing should also be documented (once a month? 1*(10^(-10)) chance during your lifetime?)
My point is that it isn't the OS that is real-time, it's the whole system that is real-time for a specific set of timing parameters.
If you have a good definition of real-time that allows an OS to qualify in and of itself I'd love to hear about it..
Real-Time means 'able to act in time to make a difference'.
Clearly a characteristic of hardware and OS and application.
Real-Time is different for different apps...but QNX holds up darn well on blood analyzers... my company's and the competition, and keeps up with about 200 different motors, servos, A/Ds, etc.
If you only cared about real-time when choosing OS and not when choosing/developing hardware and/or application I would not like to depend on your equipment. However, I believe you've taken care during the design of the whole system.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
God forbid you should look at the demo and decide for yourself what's good and bad.
He should look on something that is not a demo? A truck-load of hot air? A heap of lies?
If you're just looking for someone else to tell you what to think,
He wanted someone to list and explain the bad points of QNX, not to tell him what h should think.
head on over to www.microsoft.com.
Don't! Just trust me, you'll regret it;-)
They'll be happy to oblige.
Last time I looked they had no information about QNX, could you please tell us where it is?
I'll make a try at QNX bashing;-) Warning I am certainly not a QNX expert..
It's a microkernel based RTOS! Microkernels are bad for you! And there are no such thing as a 'Real Time Operating System' by any sane definition of 'real time' I've seen. Further, a system designed for real time embedded systems will have made design decisions that will be inappropriate for a general purpose desktop O/S..
Warning! this QNX bashing is itself a truckload of hot air
bwz is actually playing Turrican 2 by now!!;-P
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
...All the hot air. Stop talking and get something to the market! At the moment you're as trustworthy as Sun's performance estimates for new sparc chips...
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
Communism is a religion, by many believed to be founded by Karl Marx and Friedriech Engels. It is based on the Article of Faith that all units of homo sapien sapien are equal. Two things are worth to note: The first is that no implementor of Communism has gotten it quite right, all of them seem to get stuck on the second stage "the dictatorship of the proletariat". The other is that the Faith of Communism spreads, like bacteria, through division.
Capitalism is a theory of resource management that builds on assigning a Value to every Resource so they can be properly distributed. This value is proportional to the pop count and inversely relational to resource contention. As every object necessary for the production of resources has a Capitalistic Value and no other forces than this Value is used to decide how to distribute, Capitalism gives a very simple model. It too has two characteristics worth of notice: The one being that while the system isn't complicated it becomes highly complex and thus tuning and optimization becomes hard. Proponents of Capitalism claim that it is so perfect that both tuning and optimization is unnecessary. The other is that all simple systems that try to solve complicated problems have a tendency to result in misfeatures such as unfairness.
Democracy is a method of rule-management based on statistics. It has been implemented in many ways, the data collection criteria has varied widely between implementations. The first implementors used a very simple algorithm, later implementors opted for more complex schemes. Democracy's main drawback is that it isn't Perfect, the prime advantage is that it is Fair to the statistical material[1]. It is usually kept only because all alternative rule-management systems tend to be less favorable to the statistical material.
Dictatorship is a rule-management system sometimes believed to be based on the belief that rules are best made by a single entity, the Dictator. In reality it is a rule-management system where the implementor ended up with too many resources under direct control, i.e. to coarse grained locking. Sometimes this state is necessary, such cases exist although seldom heard of and are, if successful, called Benevolent Dictatorships.
Socialism is a resource management philosophy that mixes Communism and Capitalism and some in-house features. Theoretically it could give the higher base performance of Capitalism together with Communism's better fairness. It is very hard to get right because C&C doesn't MiX well. It also gives up any hope of Perfectibility to gain Implementability.
BWZ Is a sometimes speaker of hot air. It is adviced that you don't mind him too much when he is hot air speaking...
Notes:
1. It is not fair to anything but the statistical material.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
You are correct, it is not mine and I have modified it to show this. When I found the quote, it was not attributed to anybody. If you have a reference I'd appreciate it.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
No, my first language isn't English. And the bad punctuation is more a matter of me being tired. My fingers keep thinking faster than my mind can type...
And I do love my ignorant self;-)
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
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This stuff actually hurts these guys (if they are serious and not a big hoax). I'll have fun and critisize some of this:
;-)
Their native compiler achieves 8.5 FPU instructions per cycle
On what code!? It's elementary on some codes and all but impossible on other... This statement in and of itself is only FUDish, and damaging if they really have a product.
The E2K has SMP Built-in
And 'built in SMP' means what?? Cache coherence? Two cores in the same chip?
should have Merced compatibility and only loses 20-30% speed when compiling foreign instruction sets with respect to the E2K's native performance.
As very little is actually known about Merced, this is more than a little silly...
And re: the SPEC numbers.. Please DO show me the memory interface for those numbers..
Finally, these guys have AFAIK never designed a single chip CPU.. Oh, they've done some really fast systems considering their limitations in process technology, but there are some differences between thousands-of-chips CPUs and single chip ones..
I'm certain a lot of nice people will correct me where I'm wrong
Again: This kind of publicity could be damaging to them if they really have a product. Lots of people will start to think they're just like me: hot air speakers
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
The last message I saw from NVIDIA on that subject was "NO FSCKing WAY!!". :-(
:-/
;-)
I don't have a reference handy as to where I saw it but if noone else posts one I'll do some digging..
If you read the review on tomshardware you'll se that he suspects that vodo3 is just a better banshee so it'll hopefully be at worst 'trivial' to support that too
If they'd release full specs I'd by one, 'they' are any maker of fast 3d cards
(the G200 isn't 'fast enough' today, considering the cards due 'real-soon-now')
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
I'M AN IDIOT WHOM DOESN'T 'Preview'!!!
:-/
This link is hopefully better
at amazon
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
I can assure you that the project was not using Excel, but MS Access. But that project isn't ready or in use right now. (Well neither is acceptable but.. )
;-) And we all know that they write the best manuals available!
;-) ;-)
And it was supposed to be ready '96 if memory serves, when will it be... And wasn't there another wonderful project that came to nothing after about as much money and as bad components?! I remember laughing and crying at the same time when I read "My honour as a consultant forbids me to stay on this project".... I'm a taxpayer and they're squandering MY money!!
Anyhow the swedes have quite cool military systems, but I can't speek about that here =)
Oh, JAS is actually good. It crashes less than other models, but at the most inappropriate times
However, the Swedish military's IT strategy is the worst fsckup I've ever witnessed, makes me want to puke.. Like when Major "lets keep the schmeghead anonymous" boasts about having paid USD 50 M or so for access to MS Win NT 4 source... GAHH!!
They kept bwz as a slave for ten months, He's got bones to pick
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
Yeah, it's seriously silly that their nuclear defense depends on a satellite that 'a bunch of hackers' can hi-jack.. Blame the hackers? 'Oh mommy them evil people took my nukes, can I please have them back?'.. Reminds me of the Swedish armed forces and their oh so great IT projects, they used Microsoft Excel as a database for the USD 50 M strategic control system!!
;-)
Any army that wants to hire a fire-breathing self-proclaimed security and IT specialist (hacker)? I'm also well skilled in the military prerequisites (shoe polishing and other such activities) and I know how to roll a beret...
If they had hi-jacked one of the British subs that actually carry nukes I'd be afraid, but this just makes it a bit harder for them to retaliate (or start) nuclear attacks.
Them being British, will it be shown that they got some secret codes by blackmailing the right guy with inappropriate pictures?
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
I just don't get it. *How* could use a computer about as fast as a 386 to edit graphics???
;-) For the skilled 32 colour hi-res is just a bit tricky for high quality images.. And the CPU wasn't alone - the system is probably best described as an asymmetrical shared-memory multiprocessor.
;)
:-P
;)
:-( but I did play Wolfenstein, Civilization, Prince of Persia, Golden Axe, +lots of other awesome games. Did you have anything like it on your Amiga?
:-(
Depends on the definition of 'graphics'
You need LOTS of RAM and LOTS of megaflops to do that.
It didn't store tv quality video, it processed it.
Unless of course you actually means something like a paint program - but I could do that on my 386.
DeluxePaint 4 on PeeCee?! BAH!!
How could you use 65 meg HD to store graphics and music??? They just wouldn't fit. Unless by music you actually mean mods / mids - but hey, my 386 had 100 Mb HD, enough to store lots of "music".
MODs, and some damn high quality mods too.
And finally, how can you squeeze a GUI in 300k??? It just doesn't make sence.
512k ROM too, the workbench program was more like 60k IIRC, can't check as I'm currently being 'retro' and plays Giana Sisters on my A500 through my bttv tuner!
I think you are exagurating.
He is NOT!
And finally, how much did your A1200 cost? My 386sx25 with 2 Mb RAM, 100 Mb HD was $1050
With HD the A1200 was something like that. My A500 was ~ USD500 or so (don't remember USD/SEK ratio back then, SEK 4 or 5k).
Oh, and my PC had Windows 3.1
The only Microsoft program I've ever paid for was ms basic for Amiga that came with the '500. it was THE WORST TRIPE ANYONE HAS EVER DARED TO NAME 'PROGRAMMING TOOL'!!!.. If we compare MS Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS to AmigaDOS and Workbench (1.3) I'd choose the non crashing of them every time. You guess which one is the non crashing
Finally, there were *tons* of games for PCs. Of course Doom didn't run on my system
He he, most of those were released for the Amiga before they came for the PeeCee. Wolfenstein 3D (Think that's the one you're talking 'bout - never seen original Wolfenstein for PC) was a PC game and I don't know if it ever was ported. Games were the great thing about the Amiga, lots more and much better graphics and sound than PC contemporaries.
Oh, btw, was AmigaDOS 32 bit? Was it Unix-like?
32bit yes, UNIX like? nooo.. Got the slashes right and the commands were more UNIX like than the MS-DOS commands, but the internals were only Amiga like. The most sorrowly missed feature is that I can't say "dir foo:" and get prompted "please insert volume foo" on Linux ('foo' being a name of the media, not the media reader)
bwz gropes amongst his 2,500 880k floppies, which will the next game be? Ah, better dead than alien.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
What definition of Real-Time OS are you using?
A system able to process events before they become old.
The rate-of-failing should also be documented (once a month? 1*(10^(-10)) chance during your lifetime?)
My point is that it isn't the OS that is real-time, it's the whole system that is real-time for a specific set of timing parameters.
If you have a good definition of real-time that allows an OS to qualify in and of itself I'd love to hear about it..
Real-Time means 'able to act in time to make a difference'.
Clearly a characteristic of hardware and OS and application.
Real-Time is different for different apps...but QNX holds up darn well on blood analyzers... my company's and the competition, and keeps up with about 200 different motors, servos, A/Ds, etc.
If you only cared about real-time when choosing OS and not when choosing/developing hardware and/or application I would not like to depend on your equipment. However, I believe you've taken care during the design of the whole system.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
God forbid you should look at the demo and decide for yourself what's good and bad.
;-)
;-) Warning I am certainly not a QNX expert..
;-P
He should look on something that is not a demo? A truck-load of hot air? A heap of lies?
If you're just looking for someone else to tell you what to think,
He wanted someone to list and explain the bad points of QNX, not to tell him what h should think.
head on over to www.microsoft.com.
Don't! Just trust me, you'll regret it
They'll be happy to oblige.
Last time I looked they had no information about QNX, could you please tell us where it is?
I'll make a try at QNX bashing
It's a microkernel based RTOS! Microkernels are bad for you! And there are no such thing as a 'Real Time Operating System' by any sane definition of 'real time' I've seen. Further, a system designed for real time embedded systems will have made design decisions that will be inappropriate for a general purpose desktop O/S..
Warning! this QNX bashing is itself a truckload of hot air
bwz is actually playing Turrican 2 by now!!
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
What kind of architecture does it have?
;-). The early systems were SCSI only, the A1200 has an IDE ifc (2.5" internal bay). The expansion slots are Amiga only.
;-P) both still and moving, Audio (*Tracker) and games. Lots of games.
;-P ;-P
MC680x0 and special purpose ASICs.
OS(es)?
AmigaDOS, Linux and, IIRC, some BSD. The early systems without MMU only runs AmigaDOS AFAIK.
What hardware does it support?
AMIGA hardware
Apps?
Graphics (I miss DP3, better than GIMP on some things
Was it popular some time ago?
Yes, late 80s and early 90s. Unfortunelately Commodore killed it by being the worlds {largest trators, largest idiots}.
Enlightend?
bwz now connects his A500 to his TV tuner and plays Turrican 2!!
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
...All the hot air. Stop talking and get something to the market! At the moment you're as trustworthy as Sun's performance estimates for new sparc chips...
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
OK, I'm going to make fun of this!
Communism is a religion, by many believed to be founded by Karl Marx and Friedriech Engels. It is based on the Article of Faith that all units of homo sapien sapien are equal. Two things are worth to note: The first is that no implementor of Communism has gotten it quite right, all of them seem to get stuck on the second stage "the dictatorship of the proletariat". The other is that the Faith of Communism spreads, like bacteria, through division.
Capitalism is a theory of resource management that builds on assigning a Value to every Resource so they can be properly distributed. This value is proportional to the pop count and inversely relational to resource contention. As every object necessary for the production of resources has a Capitalistic Value and no other forces than this Value is used to decide how to distribute, Capitalism gives a very simple model. It too has two characteristics worth of notice: The one being that while the system isn't complicated it becomes highly complex and thus tuning and optimization becomes hard. Proponents of Capitalism claim that it is so perfect that both tuning and optimization is unnecessary. The other is that all simple systems that try to solve complicated problems have a tendency to result in misfeatures such as unfairness.
Democracy is a method of rule-management based on statistics. It has been implemented in many ways, the data collection criteria has varied widely between implementations. The first implementors used a very simple algorithm, later implementors opted for more complex schemes. Democracy's main drawback is that it isn't Perfect, the prime advantage is that it is Fair to the statistical material[1]. It is usually kept only because all alternative rule-management systems tend to be less favorable to the statistical material.
Dictatorship is a rule-management system sometimes believed to be based on the belief that rules are best made by a single entity, the Dictator. In reality it is a rule-management system where the implementor ended up with too many resources under direct control, i.e. to coarse grained locking. Sometimes this state is necessary, such cases exist although seldom heard of and are, if successful, called Benevolent Dictatorships.
Socialism is a resource management philosophy that mixes Communism and Capitalism and some in-house features. Theoretically it could give the higher base performance of Capitalism together with Communism's better fairness. It is very hard to get right because C&C doesn't MiX well. It also gives up any hope of Perfectibility to gain Implementability.
BWZ Is a sometimes speaker of hot air. It is adviced that you don't mind him too much when he is hot air speaking...
Notes:
1. It is not fair to anything but the statistical material.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
You are correct, it is not mine and I have modified it to show this. When I found the quote, it was not attributed to anybody. If you have a reference I'd appreciate it.
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
# nslookup
.com in the file com.zone in the current directory.
Default Server: xxxxxxxxx
Address: X.Y.Z.W
> server f.root-servers.net
Default Server: f.root-servers.net
Address: 192.5.5.241
> ls com > com.zone
---
You get to see a lot of hashes (#) and end up with
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
No, my first language isn't English. And the bad punctuation is more a matter of me being tired. My fingers keep thinking faster than my mind can type...
;-)
And I do love my ignorant self
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?
"All of the data under the original cooperative agreement comes under our auspices. All customer data is our intellectual property," Clough said.
OK, I'm going to make a map and declare it my intelectual property, then everybody will have to pay me mucho dineros to use any of the roads...
I'm sick of it all
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be a committee?