Yes it is. Would you literally tell a candidate during a job interview that they are being hired to do "monkey work?" I doubt that. And if you did, any self-respecting person would walk out. Yes, the term is thrown around behind the back from time to time, but never in one's face unless the intent is to belittle one's work.
They also mightily contributed to corruption of the U.S. political system, bringing it much close to oligarchy. This alone beats any money they gave to charities, likely tax-deductible in whole or in part, which is pocket change to them.
The guy ran to this country's safety, used its great educational and legal systems, its infrastructure (all largely tax-funded) to pick up some loot. As soon as it benefits him, he flees and renounces it. He looted the U.S. They should charge him a fat traitor fee, send him abroad penniless, and forever ban his ass from entering. Typical rich asshole, privatize profits, socialize losses, run abroad from any responsibility.
Wow, that's one way to ride your straw man [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man] down a slippery slope [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope]. Did I suggest anywhere 100% tax? Has there ever been a 100% tax?
As it happens, I am pretty familiar with the USSR economy. While the government did take a large chunk off one's wages, probably over 50% (maybe up to 70%, hard to give a specific number), the wages were way above "subsistence." People used their wages to buy expensive at that time electronics (TVs, video players), travel inside the country; frugal ones bought cars. For the 50-70% taxation, people were getting 100% free healthcare, 100% free kindergarten, high school, and college education and decent retirement benefits to name some.
About "taxing every worker to death, " that's just a lie. Minimum wage workers pay little to no taxes. Middle class pays more, but hardly over 30% even in extreme cases. Also, low wages people refuse to work for are not a result of taxation, but of employers intentionally pushing wages down because they can, due to high unemployment, offshoring, and cheap illegals.
And what the hell is this talk about “taxing to death" and "his dead body in the street"? It reminds me of ridiculous "death panels" by teabaggers. I have not seen unemployed dying on the streets yet. It seems that you are incapable of reasonable discussion about economy and taxes without resorting to threats of death and destruction to all who do not follow your anti-tax religion.
Russia kicked Georgia's ass not because of some mythical "move towards the Western ideology". Georgia launched an unprovoked large-scale military offensive on South Ossetia. Scores of people died, including civilians and Russian peacekeepers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war . So Russia got involved militarily, kicked the sorry georgian ass out of South Ossetia, and kept kicking it all the way back to georgia's capital Tbilisi. Then it withdrew its forces. Georgia was the aggressor.
Same with Ukraine, it's just local clans fighting for influence, one than the other gaining more power and pushing their people as presidents. It has nothing to do with "evil Moscow hand".
Stop smoking whatever you are smoking and get your facts straight.
Drop your freshman bullsh1t. The parent post makes good points. Just because he doesn't have time or desire to lay them out to the liking of your logic professor does not invalidate them in any way. In short, drop dead, get lost, fail your final.
There are little things called ethics and morality. One would find entire paragraphs in corporate employee handbooks about how an employee is supposed to act ethically at all times. Whether Apple's tactics are illegal is up to court to decide, but their employees who set up the whole scheme definitely act unethically, and, by my standards, immorally.
These are not "disadvantages", but the way decent society should work. The utterly unethical, immoral treatment of workers in "right-to-throw-you-out-on-a-whim" states as warm spare parts has to stop. It's not producing a healthy society I'd like my kids to grow up in. Economy is important, but it should not take precedence over a healthy society where most workers have stable careers and can afford to have families and raise children in economic security.
How about getting a little economic education instead of chanting idiotic repub slogans? If you think about it, the slogan is meaningless. Modern economy runs on credit. Everyone "spends more money than they have," businesses, families, and yes, governments. It increases economic activity and improves growth. You borrow in bad times or for large items, pay off gradually in good times.
A guy gives you a "warning punch" in a shoulder in the midst on an argument. You feel pain, so you've been "injured". You take out your concealed gun and shoot the guy in the head.
You have to be reasonably concerned about your safety, and this is not reasonable. This is insane.
Weighing 140 pounds vs Zimmerman's 250. "Athlete?" Martin was a walking stick! Try using your brain retard. Also, Martin was a decade younger, at 17. Between 28 y.o. and 17 y.o, my experience says that 28 is physically stronger on average.
>> there was at least one eyewitness that corroborated that Zimmerman was on the ground being attacked
And there is at least one more account stating that Martin was on the ground. You'd know if you wanted to.
It also has young, gainfully employed, physically and mentally healthy employee population. Suicide rate among those should be zero. The fact that some of these people commit suicide, especially at work and in such a public way as jumping out of windows or high factory floors, speaks volumes. Apple apologists make me sick.
>> I wonder how many people will end up as indentured servants
A lot. They will all die after working themselves to death. In a hundred years, some wide-eyed university researcher might write a paper about the "human cost" of colonizing the space, that will be read by a few and understood by fewer. That is how humanity expands its frontiers. It's not moral, but it's practical... and sad .
Pretty lame ad hominem there. You have nothing of substance to say, so you have to resort to “arguments” about “wrong headedness”. Sad.
Again, it’s a fact that “running a business” is not a basic human right. It simply goes against the delusional pro-business ideology you have been brain-washed into, but it is your problem. Yes, you can try “making things”, but without the essential government services I mentioned, you will get nowhere. Your business will be robbed, cheated, it will be hard to find qualified employees, few customers... you will close in a week.
Ignoring another lame ad hominem, my education is OK as I can see benefits of regulated private enterprise as well as the place of government in a society. You, on the other hand, have been brain-washed into worshiping “business” as some absolute, while seeing the government as evil. It’s not justified by logic. “Business” is but one human activity, one much less important than surviving, feeding and taking care of your family, and fulfilling yourself as a person. It’s a means to better society, not some holy grail in itself.
You should take yet another step back and recall that you do not have a right to run a business either. You might have delusions that it's a right, but it's not. The very existence of your "business" depends on the society, through the government, setting up the legal framework to run businesses, maintaining law and order, maintaining monetary system, educating workforce etc. With all that infrastructure in place, the society, through government, lets you run a business as long as it's beneficial to society. For example, most businesses employ people, which is beneficial to society, so they are allowed to function. Business owner is allowed to keep some of the profits from the business as incentive.
The bottom line is that your "business" is not really yours, but a product of society. If you want to run a business, you better play nice with society and make sure you treat your employees as equals and not some underclass slaves, or you may not be allowed to use the society's infrastructure to run your shenanigans.
I hope that conditions are bearable and will improve, but it's irrelevant. Those manufacturing jobs must come home to support healthy U.S. economy.
Before squealing starts how some basement dweller is "not willing to pay 10 times more" for their toys, for one, it would not be nearly as much. Research discussed on Slashdot recently produced numbers of around 23%. I'd be willing to pay 23% more for healthy U.S. economy or go without. If you don't, that's tough for you. There needs to be a nationwide referendum in the U.S. if you want to protect U.S. economy by punitive tariffs on scumbag outsources, or give your money to chinese communists who have wet dreams of eventually destroying the U.S. (yes they do). I have no doubt what the result would be.
Why should I have to set up an account at a private website just to get a job? This is ridiculous. No matter how little info one has to divulge, why? By what right? I know that the companies doing this are stupid and I would not want to work for them under normal circumstances. But the economy is in the gutter, and sometimes you have to grab the first job coming (regardless of some jokers here claiming that "there are plenty of dev jobs out there"). Hiring has become so ridiculous lately that the government needs to step in and freaking regulate the process! Just have a standardized process. All the stupid gotcha interviews, dick measuring contests, "puzzle" bs, and now having to have a freaking facebook account are utterly ridiculous. The business has clearly shown they cannot act as adults and cannot be trusted. Government should step in and set some sensible rules.
Where did Chinese ecosystem come from? The U.S. had excellent manufacturing "ecosystem" until 80s. At the same time, China did not have the "ecosystem" until 90s or so. Yet, companies abandoned established infrastructure, packed in droves, left, and spent a decade establishing the manufacturing ecosystem in China. Reasons: cheap slave labor, no labor laws, obedient population.
Nothing prevents those companies from spending time and money to re-establish the manufacturing ecosystem back in the U.S. Nothing except greed.
This! Lecture time is best spent on understanding the material, but you can't be sure you caught everything to write down after the lecture. Professor's notes solve this problem. I found it to be the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, very few professors did this at my college. Some thought that "forcing" student to take notes improved learning; some were just unorganized or lazy. Professors should be required to give out accurate class notes just like they are required to give out a syllabus.
Wow, a bunch of BS there. You enjoy life as a mercenary tech nomad? And your wife happens to tolerate it too? Good for you, but most people are luckier than you to have local family, friends, and community. You don't value those because you don't even know what they are, but most normal people do. Oh, and wait until (if) yuo have children, how that nomadic life will feel for them. Get lost.
Total and utter BS! Spread by worthless corporate shills. Research shows that, if the goods were produced in the U.S., the price would be about 23% more. So your beloved iPhine/iPad/i@sswipe would cost $617. The difference would be barely noticeable on a monthly bill. I think most Americans would gladly pay a little more to have thriving manufacturing sector and thus thriving middle class.
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>> It's not a derogatory term
Yes it is. Would you literally tell a candidate during a job interview that they are being hired to do "monkey work?" I doubt that. And if you did, any self-respecting person would walk out. Yes, the term is thrown around behind the back from time to time, but never in one's face unless the intent is to belittle one's work.
They also mightily contributed to corruption of the U.S. political system, bringing it much close to oligarchy. This alone beats any money they gave to charities, likely tax-deductible in whole or in part, which is pocket change to them.
The guy ran to this country's safety, used its great educational and legal systems, its infrastructure (all largely tax-funded) to pick up some loot. As soon as it benefits him, he flees and renounces it. He looted the U.S. They should charge him a fat traitor fee, send him abroad penniless, and forever ban his ass from entering. Typical rich asshole, privatize profits, socialize losses, run abroad from any responsibility.
Wow, that's one way to ride your straw man [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man] down a slippery slope [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope]. Did I suggest anywhere 100% tax? Has there ever been a 100% tax?
As it happens, I am pretty familiar with the USSR economy. While the government did take a large chunk off one's wages, probably over 50% (maybe up to 70%, hard to give a specific number), the wages were way above "subsistence." People used their wages to buy expensive at that time electronics (TVs, video players), travel inside the country; frugal ones bought cars. For the 50-70% taxation, people were getting 100% free healthcare, 100% free kindergarten, high school, and college education and decent retirement benefits to name some.
About "taxing every worker to death, " that's just a lie. Minimum wage workers pay little to no taxes. Middle class pays more, but hardly over 30% even in extreme cases. Also, low wages people refuse to work for are not a result of taxation, but of employers intentionally pushing wages down because they can, due to high unemployment, offshoring, and cheap illegals.
And what the hell is this talk about “taxing to death" and "his dead body in the street"? It reminds me of ridiculous "death panels" by teabaggers. I have not seen unemployed dying on the streets yet. It seems that you are incapable of reasonable discussion about economy and taxes without resorting to threats of death and destruction to all who do not follow your anti-tax religion.
"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
What the hell are you talking about??
Russia kicked Georgia's ass not because of some mythical "move towards the Western ideology". Georgia launched an unprovoked large-scale military offensive on South Ossetia. Scores of people died, including civilians and Russian peacekeepers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war . So Russia got involved militarily, kicked the sorry georgian ass out of South Ossetia, and kept kicking it all the way back to georgia's capital Tbilisi. Then it withdrew its forces. Georgia was the aggressor.
Same with Ukraine, it's just local clans fighting for influence, one than the other gaining more power and pushing their people as presidents. It has nothing to do with "evil Moscow hand".
Stop smoking whatever you are smoking and get your facts straight.
>>It doesn't matter who started it, that's a child's logic. Time machine indeed.
>>No one forced him to become President.
WHO modded this crap +4 Interesting? Basement-dwelling adolescent teabaggers? Shame on repub mods.
Drop your freshman bullsh1t. The parent post makes good points. Just because he doesn't have time or desire to lay them out to the liking of your logic professor does not invalidate them in any way. In short, drop dead, get lost, fail your final.
There are little things called ethics and morality. One would find entire paragraphs in corporate employee handbooks about how an employee is supposed to act ethically at all times. Whether Apple's tactics are illegal is up to court to decide, but their employees who set up the whole scheme definitely act unethically, and, by my standards, immorally.
These are not "disadvantages", but the way decent society should work. The utterly unethical, immoral treatment of workers in "right-to-throw-you-out-on-a-whim" states as warm spare parts has to stop. It's not producing a healthy society I'd like my kids to grow up in. Economy is important, but it should not take precedence over a healthy society where most workers have stable careers and can afford to have families and raise children in economic security.
How about getting a little economic education instead of chanting idiotic repub slogans? If you think about it, the slogan is meaningless. Modern economy runs on credit. Everyone "spends more money than they have," businesses, families, and yes, governments. It increases economic activity and improves growth. You borrow in bad times or for large items, pay off gradually in good times.
A guy gives you a "warning punch" in a shoulder in the midst on an argument. You feel pain, so you've been "injured". You take out your concealed gun and shoot the guy in the head.
You have to be reasonably concerned about your safety, and this is not reasonable. This is insane.
>> F6'3" (1.9m) athlete
Weighing 140 pounds vs Zimmerman's 250. "Athlete?" Martin was a walking stick! Try using your brain retard.
Also, Martin was a decade younger, at 17. Between 28 y.o. and 17 y.o, my experience says that 28 is physically stronger on average.
>> there was at least one eyewitness that corroborated that Zimmerman was on the ground being attacked
And there is at least one more account stating that Martin was on the ground. You'd know if you wanted to.
It also has young, gainfully employed, physically and mentally healthy employee population. Suicide rate among those should be zero. The fact that some of these people commit suicide, especially at work and in such a public way as jumping out of windows or high factory floors, speaks volumes. Apple apologists make me sick.
Neither did it stop the U.S., or any other country for that matter.
>> I wonder how many people will end up as indentured servants
A lot. They will all die after working themselves to death. In a hundred years, some wide-eyed university researcher might write a paper about the "human cost" of colonizing the space, that will be read by a few and understood by fewer. That is how humanity expands its frontiers. It's not moral, but it's practical... and sad .
Pretty lame ad hominem there. You have nothing of substance to say, so you have to resort to “arguments” about “wrong headedness”. Sad.
Again, it’s a fact that “running a business” is not a basic human right. It simply goes against the delusional pro-business ideology you have been brain-washed into, but it is your problem. Yes, you can try “making things”, but without the essential government services I mentioned, you will get nowhere. Your business will be robbed, cheated, it will be hard to find qualified employees, few customers... you will close in a week.
Ignoring another lame ad hominem, my education is OK as I can see benefits of regulated private enterprise as well as the place of government in a society. You, on the other hand, have been brain-washed into worshiping “business” as some absolute, while seeing the government as evil. It’s not justified by logic. “Business” is but one human activity, one much less important than surviving, feeding and taking care of your family, and fulfilling yourself as a person. It’s a means to better society, not some holy grail in itself.
You should take yet another step back and recall that you do not have a right to run a business either. You might have delusions that it's a right, but it's not. The very existence of your "business" depends on the society, through the government, setting up the legal framework to run businesses, maintaining law and order, maintaining monetary system, educating workforce etc. With all that infrastructure in place, the society, through government, lets you run a business as long as it's beneficial to society. For example, most businesses employ people, which is beneficial to society, so they are allowed to function. Business owner is allowed to keep some of the profits from the business as incentive.
The bottom line is that your "business" is not really yours, but a product of society. If you want to run a business, you better play nice with society and make sure you treat your employees as equals and not some underclass slaves, or you may not be allowed to use the society's infrastructure to run your shenanigans.
I hope that conditions are bearable and will improve, but it's irrelevant. Those manufacturing jobs must come home to support healthy U.S. economy.
Before squealing starts how some basement dweller is "not willing to pay 10 times more" for their toys, for one, it would not be nearly as much. Research discussed on Slashdot recently produced numbers of around 23%. I'd be willing to pay 23% more for healthy U.S. economy or go without. If you don't, that's tough for you. There needs to be a nationwide referendum in the U.S. if you want to protect U.S. economy by punitive tariffs on scumbag outsources, or give your money to chinese communists who have wet dreams of eventually destroying the U.S. (yes they do). I have no doubt what the result would be.
Why should I have to set up an account at a private website just to get a job? This is ridiculous. No matter how little info one has to divulge, why? By what right? I know that the companies doing this are stupid and I would not want to work for them under normal circumstances. But the economy is in the gutter, and sometimes you have to grab the first job coming (regardless of some jokers here claiming that "there are plenty of dev jobs out there"). Hiring has become so ridiculous lately that the government needs to step in and freaking regulate the process! Just have a standardized process. All the stupid gotcha interviews, dick measuring contests, "puzzle" bs, and now having to have a freaking facebook account are utterly ridiculous. The business has clearly shown they cannot act as adults and cannot be trusted. Government should step in and set some sensible rules.
>> the new bunch whose main objective is to restrict every right of everybody on this planet.
You should stop watching fox news and get out more. Nut job.
Where did Chinese ecosystem come from? The U.S. had excellent manufacturing "ecosystem" until 80s. At the same time, China did not have the "ecosystem" until 90s or so. Yet, companies abandoned established infrastructure, packed in droves, left, and spent a decade establishing the manufacturing ecosystem in China. Reasons: cheap slave labor, no labor laws, obedient population.
Nothing prevents those companies from spending time and money to re-establish the manufacturing ecosystem back in the U.S. Nothing except greed.
This! Lecture time is best spent on understanding the material, but you can't be sure you caught everything to write down after the lecture. Professor's notes solve this problem. I found it to be the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, very few professors did this at my college. Some thought that "forcing" student to take notes improved learning; some were just unorganized or lazy. Professors should be required to give out accurate class notes just like they are required to give out a syllabus.
Wow, a bunch of BS there. You enjoy life as a mercenary tech nomad? And your wife happens to tolerate it too? Good for you, but most people are luckier than you to have local family, friends, and community. You don't value those because you don't even know what they are, but most normal people do. Oh, and wait until (if) yuo have children, how that nomadic life will feel for them. Get lost.
>> at five times the cost?
Total and utter BS! Spread by worthless corporate shills. Research shows that, if the goods were produced in the U.S., the price would be about 23% more. So your beloved iPhine/iPad/i@sswipe would cost $617. The difference would be barely noticeable on a monthly bill. I think most Americans would gladly pay a little more to have thriving manufacturing sector and thus thriving middle class.