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Russia Has Sights Set On Manned Moon Landing By 2030
New submitter techfun89 writes "Russia plans on sending cosmonauts to the moon as well as unmanned spacecraft to Mars, Jupiter and Venus by 2030. Considering the recent launch failures in Russia, these plans seem very ambitious. From the article: 'These ambitious spaceflight goals are laid out in a strategy document drawn up recently by Russia's Federal Space Agency (known as Roscosmos), the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported Tuesday (March 13).
And there's more. Roscosmos wants a new rocket called Angara to become the nation's workhorse launch vehicle by 2020, replacing the venerable Soyuz and Proton rockets that have been carrying the load since the 1960s.'"
Only 61 years late! ;)
It will be good to finally get back to the moon. Can't wait to find out in what ways it's changed since the last time we visited.
The manned moon has its sights on landing in Russia by 2030.
Moon lands on you!
It took the Roosskies that long to perfect "Cobalt Thorium G"
many Russian aircraft don't get where they're going. Perhaps they should concentrate on these first.
never stopped Russia before
I like how the summary goes on about how ambitious it is for Russia to get to the moon in almost two decades. It took just a little over 8 years for the US to go from basically nada (hadn't even gotten into orbit yet) to landing on the moon. There is better technology out there today, plus it has now of course been done before; I would think there is some advantage in being able to look at the data from the Apollo missions (assuming NASA is willing to share it?) If anything, getting there by 2030 seems a rather conservative goal, even taking into account their recent issues.
It's not a coincidence that newer Russian designs don't work. The "old guard" has retired. The new — immgirated. Just the other day international rankings came out for higher education. Not a single Russian school is on the list. That's what happens when you don't even pay starvation wages to your professors. Sooner or later they throw in the towel. It's a miracle things held together this long.
Given the scarcity of talented engineers, and the pitiful salaries Roscosmos pays to its staff, I'm kind of wondering how they expect to pull this off. They couldn't even do it when they had some of the best schools in the world (which regularly minted Nobel laureates), during the Soviet times, with essentially unlimited budget and manpower. Nowadays they can only build 20 year old rockets, and make minor improvements here and there. Put simply, after neglecting higher education for about a decade and a half, they've pissed away their technical capability to do anything they haven't already done before.
I hope they do another lander--or better yet a rover.
>Considering the recent launch failures in Russia, these plans seem very ambitious.
Not sure I see the relevance, seeing as:
Recent failures are a blip in a long run of reliability, and
They're going to be flying different rigs by 2030, anyway, which may be invincible, or every one may fail...
Not sure I see much point to it, though. Maybe Putin is working on national morale, or make-work, or kickbacks to someone.
In other news, the Kremlin has finally allowed a display of the "degenerate" art of Henry Moore.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17365978
It's the PR Curtain. Putin needs progressive items in the headlines to counterbalance the protests. Russians on the moon and Henry Moore in the Kremlin are hollow trivialities. There is nothing good to actually report to Russians, even with only state-controlled media left standing.
Even the traditionally-safe winter's fair of hosting the Olympics looks like it's going to be a PR fiasco for Putin's clique. So heck yeah, "We're going to the Moon!" has been trotted out. They're desperate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics#Concerns_and_controversies
Neither did it stop the U.S., or any other country for that matter.
Sciencewise (yes, that is a word if I say it is) the moon is the most boring thing in our solar system. There is nothing to learn from putting humans on it again. I do not mind spending money (our money or the Russians) on science, but let's set our sights higher (higher than the moon, get it).
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
The reason is that once private space is properly funded, then it will go to the moon around 2020. That will push Russia to join them. It will be as another ship (probable) or as a buyer of service (not at 100%), or more likely, a combination of these. I suspect that once bigelow puts a base on the moon, then every nation will want to go there, even if it means contracting to bigelow/IDC Dover for lunar base, and one of several up/down services (armadillo, masten, blue origin, etc). Once you are on the lunar surface, then you can set up your own base. IOW, contract with these companies to create your own services.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
If I had a nickel for every time the Russians announced some ambitious program I could run my own space program. Let's see if any money actually gets allocated.
The race to man the moon between Russia and China is under way. They are both loaded with cash to burn on projects like this.
Quick... someone send Newt to Russia.
We shouln't settle for landing a man on the Moon. We should be trying to land a man on the Moon and doing it better. This is because a new approach will advance science and engineering. Those advances will have applications on Earth. Those applications may create a new economic boom that may feed back on itself by providing real career opportunities for scientists and engineers, for both space/aerospace and terrestial industries. Recreating Apollo era technology to do science on the Moon and achieve political objectives will create a short boom/bust cycle. And maybe it will give Russia the boost that it needs over the next few years, but they (and China and India and us) should be looking towards a longerterm terrestial payoff - not just Moon rocks and nationalist pretige.
Well, Hope they realize that they'd actually be the first to land on the moon
For fair Virginia.
May we mourn her loss forever.
Hey, isn't there a US flag on the moon? That being the case, will the Russian astronauts need passports when they get there? I hope they thought this through. I'd hate to see them get deported from the moon for being illegals.
One of these time Russia will have a successful mission to Mars. Nineteenth time's a charm! (All joking aside, I would like to see these missions become a success.)
Wonder what Americans would do if they landed at the apollo 11 site, rolled up the US flag, and brought it back to a russian museum. Doing this while planting the Russian flag in its place.
for fuck sake, at least somebody is doing something... i want us back to the moon so bad...
With UAV's becoming ubiquitous and having less then a half dozen humans parked in a trailer monitoring sensor data from halfway across the planet looking for campfires. I wonder if the same type of technology could be utilized by building humanoid robots that could sent up to the moon and controlled from earth. The robots could construct human habitats and or facilities for power generation and food. Since the robots would be humanoid any vehicles or tools could be used by humans later on. Would the lag time for the control signal be too much to do any real practical work in real-time?
Been there and done it... nuke the fuckers already!
This is not going to happen given the political and economic situation in the country.
The economic situation follows the political one, and there is NO NEW CATEGORIES OF WEALTH created in Russia. It's all the same thing: pump oil and gas and cut some logs and mine some metals and then sell all this stuff, but it really does not require that many people working compared to the entire population.
The political situation is such that the old categories of wealth are plenty enough to keep a gigantic bureaucratic apparatus going, feeding off those pipes and shipping routes and containers, etc.
The people in Russia who are not politicians and are not connected (the majority) cannot really run their own independent businesses without getting clobbered, all of the real investment money goes ONLY towards big national and quasi national corporations to do the same thing - move energy and raw materials out of the grounds and sell it.
The manufacturing numbers are falling.
The overall wealth of individuals is falling.
The inflation is rampant (10 and more % per year) and this reflects in prices fairly consistently.
The lack of manufacturing and huge inflation leads to stagnation, underproduction, lack of savings, lack of investment into private independent businesses. This leads to decrease of standard of living of individuals.
The ONLY way to 'fund' this insane project is to divert a stream of gas or a stream of oil or something similar towards it, and then what else? Taxes. Raise more taxes on already overtaxed businesses.
In USA the taxes for businesses start at 50% and go up to 95% (all real actual compound aggregate taxes), all while the political class is using class warfare tactics to diver attention from its own behaviour that destroys individual rights and liberties and the economy.
In Russia there are no individual rights and liberties anyway, the political class is a simple minded Mafia structure, WHY would it do any of this stuff that it promises during elections?
Why? Well, it's simple - try to raise some sort of national idea, it is a diversion. There will be no Russian moon station with people by 2030 nor by 2070.
You can't handle the truth.
Maybe they can recover one of the lunokhod rovers, or at least some trinket from it?
right, so the russians are so dumb they need 60+ more years to do the same the US (supposedly) did in 69?
for the few that can read between this moon landing crap, I'd say thank you Kubrick for the Apollo shows!
still amazed me the conformism of so called critical people... damn sheeps get what they deserved!
Pr00f by computer != pr00f 0f anything
moon lands on you!!
If the Russians go to the moon, there' bound to be vodka. If we can get the Jamacans, Columbians and Spearmint Rhino staff to send a crew each, it'll be a party moon!
LOL, maybe they will be one way missions? God knows the USA couldn't land on the moon anymore. It takes them months just to figure out what color to paint the stupid things! Too many suits screwed up NASA.
Remember to get your Chinese Tourist Visa first and take along your passport.
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...moon lands on you!
Moon lands on you.
you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, do you?
The manufacturing numbers are falling.
The overall wealth of individuals is falling.
in case you didn't notice, the rest of the fucking world is seeing the same thing happening. you can't study the russian - or any other - economy in a vacuum.
The lack of manufacturing and huge inflation leads to stagnation, underproduction, lack of savings, lack of investment into private independent businesses. This leads to decrease of standard of living of individuals.
and what does a space program do? it increases manufacturing. no company is going to fund a moon landing on their own, or even in a conglomeration with other companies. only a government can afford it.
In USA the taxes for businesses start at 50% and go up to 95% (all real actual compound aggregate taxes
that is a flat-out lie. you pulled that number out of your ass and it has no reflection on reality whatsoever. of course, the same can be said for most of what you write here.
all while the political class is using class warfare tactics to diver attention from its own behaviour
what do divers have to do with this?
that destroys individual rights and liberties and the economy.
you have demonstrated time and again that you are an expert on none of those subjects.
There will be no Russian moon station with people by 2030 nor by 2070.
if you even bothered to read the summary - fuck, even just the damned headline - you would know they weren't talking about a "moon station" by 2030, they were talking about a moon landing. put down the kool aid and try reading some time before you hit reply and stuff your foot in your mouth. you make your fellow cult members look bad when you run around spouting off nonsense like that.
That's a weak timeframe. Unless America didn't really go to the moon...
Just sayin