I think its beautiful, because linus is not a PR person for linux. He does interviews out of nicety, he leads out of necissity. He is NOT in any huge rush to get Linux to the top of the world, that is why is such an effective leader and that is why he has the respect he has. As he said in this interview he has no LEGAL right to anything except the Linux trademark. People listen out of respect, people use his tree out of trust, etc, etc. If anything...any common person should be able to understand that very bold statement:
The most important person involved in Linux development has no official authority and no official position. That sums up the community alot IMHO, and is exactly what makes Linux so unique. This isnt a PR press release.
if it was easy to do what linus did, hurd would be flying. its not. so gnu made some tools. good for them. they released them to the free world. you dont go giving something away then bitching about credit, thats what little kids do.
linus doesnt bitch about RH making money or anyone for that matter. He doesnt bitch. He protects his trademark of Linux, but thats it. You can do what you want with the linux kernel. I bet you could take it, fork it and call it the GnuRules kernel if you really wanted to.
maybe gnu would get respect if they werent a bunch of whiny bitches. I used to respect them. I used to give them 'props' but the second gnu started being such a bitch, I began to treat them like bitches.
I'm a wrestler, one of the few sports completely unaffected by any technological advances. Maybe the only advances applicable would be in nutrition and biological things like that, but when your sport has no real equipment, technology means little.
Really, this is an extremely retarded ask slashdot...what are the answers going to be? My baseball bat is lighter and stronger. Replace baseball bat with golf club, etc. I mean there should be little direct impact of technology on sport, or the sport is sucked out of it. But I suppose we would need to agree on what a sport is for that one...or we run into racecars and other technocentric activities.
A more realistic question would be how has technology enhanced the training aspect of your sport. That makes sense. Golf swing analysis, hell video tapes are an indispensable tool for team sports.
i was not under the impression that putting up a public site/page entitled you to compsensation? I thought it was more a goodwill thing to have pages out there.
Why does the mailorder bride site look like an exact ripoff of hotornot? damn, they are lazy enough to just copy a website but not to skip over hosting it on a hijacked server....
umm actually, its only 'wrong' because of artificial limits placed by copyright. its only 'wrong' because a lot of people once thought it was. alot of people right now must not feel that way. we as a people arent here to support someones business models.
im all for art. im not for mass produced art.
how bout...we go back to the time where your money was made from performing and not from milking something you churned out once.
the whole issue is file sharing is here. NOTHING will stop it. Its like the "war" on drugs. Pointless and fought when a vast majority of people -really dont care-. Its easy to bias a survey...
Do you believe in stealing cds? Do you believe its wrong to share copies of songs with other people?
And no they are not one and the same.
Maybe cd sales wont be as profitable...so cut the fucking million dollar overhead. its riduculous. Cut the tracks and get out. Sell your cds, perform.
The beast is loose. What are the options...waste TAXPAYER money hunting down people and punishing them for artificial POTENTIAL losses, or give up the ghost and move on.
Maybe there will be no more corporatepop, who cares.
construction companies, trucking firms and others who once used walkie-talkie-like devices to instantly connect to others is thier market. Thats it. Granted its prolly a pretty big chunk of change but theres people acting like it's the next big thing and really its only a walkietalkie replacement.
Still useful to the average consumer? Sure. Itd be like having a walkie talkie with you. Id love to have this service with my phone if I could just push2talk my friends while driving in a caravan or running around the mall or whatnot. I wouldnt pay much extra though.
you missed my point. I agreed with the OP, I was merely pointing out the fact that ATTEMPTING most crimes is in itself ANOTHER DISTINGUISHABLE crime. Does it apply here? Not in my opinion.
So guess what. When you hold someone at gunpoint, ask for their money, then get tackled by a cop....you are guilty of ATTEMPTED robbery. NOT robbery. Thats a DIFFERENT crime.
Amazing stuff! Though it would be nice if you could keep trying to commit a crime till you got it right....
We arent talking theory. We arent talking natural law, we aren't talking moral law. We are talking criminal law. We are talking of laws created that specifically target attempts and label them as a crime.
You may find that silly. You may disagree. But it's true! Please, don't get confused.
An attempt is in itself an act punishable according to law, especially here in the US. This isn't punishing thought crimes, this is covering ATTEMPTS that FAIL. Please note that MURDER and ATTEMPTED MURDER are two distinct seperable crimes. While I will agree that alot of conspiracy laws are quite overboard and nearing very much on thought or more accurately planning crimes, attempted crimes seem perfectly reasonable to me.
But perhaps...you won't mind being shot at by someone who wants you dead. The get arrested, but only for minor gun violations since attempting something isn't a crime. Then they come back and finish the job. Say goodbye to your shack.
So in closing. Attempts are CRIMES! Because the LAW says so. You MAY THINK the LAW is WRONG. Boo hoo. Coming on Slashdot and saying Attempting to commit a crime is not a crime is like crying to your mother that her rules arent fair. You may not like it! You may not think it should be a crime, but neither did the guys in Texas thought sodomy should be a crime. And LOOK! They won!
you stereotype college degrees because you chose a crappy oversaturated field to go into. You can always leave the technical profession and get a decent paying job elsewhere SOLELY because you are college educated.
But hey, the less college educated the better. I need people to fix my fries.;)
ratings are soley for parents theres no other real reason for them they are for lazy parents and for the smarter ones that use it as a general guideline.
ratings arent for single adults. I mean, hello.
parenting...ummm...i would argue that culture is changing, good or bad, better or worse. look at all the different generations, children were raised in extraordinarily different ways in all of them. The human race is still here. The environment and society is different these days. Travel to other countries, see how their children are raised---all very different. How parents treat their children in public? Come on now. Kids misbehaving? Since the dawn of time. This isnt the 50's anymore.
youre a fucking idiot there will still be dealerships to sell the vehicles, still be mechanics to fix them and most likely still fuel distribution centers as well.
The oil thing is an international relations problem and will always be something if NOT oil.
As others have said, its capitalism, evolve or die.
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jim has everything for a car...he has a frame, wheels..the rolling chassis.
he sits around with jackshit, just spicing up his rolling chassis when jack invents the engine and transmission.
jacks getting all my credit sorry. hes the one that did something useful
the gnu tools were lying around. linus produced something useful. linus deserves the credit. kinda like IP and copyright sitting around not getting used? so fucking what if it was already around and invented. all that matters is HERE and NOW. and HERE and NOW, linus and his kernel are what has gotten so-called gnu/linux...i just call it linux, where it is today. You want credit? Go play with your gnuhurd. If someone wants to build something using the linux kernel and NOT mention the name you wouldnt see Linus throwing a hissy fit.
ummm...most movies ive watched with directors cuts and commentary usually have the director saying "I hate how this is called directors cut, you saw my cut at the theatre" I love the deleted scenes and such, but 9 times out of ten what you saw in theatre is what the director wanted you to see...even if it is within arbitrary limits like length or whatnot. Or even sexual content! The directors know what they are working with and build around the limits.
Dont like it? Then watch only independent films. I highly doubt anyones cutting to get pg13, in fact usually its the opposite. A movie will get returned with a pg13 and they will recut to R because your average adult will not want to see a pg13 labelled movie.
I agree with the nudity thing, thats our culture. Move? its a slow process to change. But you are way off base with the cutting rant.
Big Label Movies are as much artform as Big Label Music: unless its done by an established *rich* prominent person, the studio is gonna dictate alot. Its a commercial product. like i said...untouched art is independent. Not that bigticket movies arent art, its just that the artist usually does have less control.
i dont feel that cds are a valueadded product anymore. thier model is outdated and i wont support such a thing. back in the day, i bought a cd weekly.
i still buy movies every once in a while. cause the value i get from a movie is worth it.
I dont buy nonlinux games because I dont run windows. I used to buy a lot of games. I just bought a windows laptop that I really don't want to change to linux on cause its a collegecompatibility machine. Its gon be hard to resist if a tempting game comes along.
point is. no, its hard, its really hard. but once you get in the swing of things its a lil easier. you still have bumps every now and then but it works. does it make a difference in the scheme of things? prolly not. but its the same with my eating healthy, its hard, i have bumps but overall im 437435x better off than most americans. Will I really affect the overall health of America, hell no. Its gon take a revolution. Same with this. Do it for yourself, your own beliefs and not for the cause.
ummm its not a bullshit argument. no, there may be no inherent RIGHT to the product. Likewise there is no inherent RIGHT to protection. The current protection system is corporateserving and corrupt. Illegal != immoral, as you alluded to.
When a cop pulls me over, I understand why they did. But I may not necessarily think what they did is moral. Insofar as it is their job, yes. But there are towns in my state who use traffic tickets as a sole source of profit. Roads are zoned for tickettaking. Roads that arent profitable are not enforced as much. I find this immoral and a waste of my tax money.
The system is fucked. Do you get uneccesarily mad at the messenger? No. But do you take it up the ass like you really deserved it? No. The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Im curious though...how DO you rationalize your theft?
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I think its beautiful, because linus is not a PR person for linux. He does interviews out of nicety, he leads out of necissity. He is NOT in any huge rush to get Linux to the top of the world, that is why is such an effective leader and that is why he has the respect he has. As he said in this interview he has no LEGAL right to anything except the Linux trademark. People listen out of respect, people use his tree out of trust, etc, etc. If anything...any common person should be able to understand that very bold statement:
The most important person involved in Linux development has no official authority and no official position. That sums up the community alot IMHO, and is exactly what makes Linux so unique. This isnt a PR press release.
get the hell over it
if it was easy to do what linus did, hurd would be flying. its not. so gnu made some tools. good for them. they released them to the free world. you dont go giving something away then bitching about credit, thats what little kids do.
linus doesnt bitch about RH making money or anyone for that matter. He doesnt bitch. He protects his trademark of Linux, but thats it. You can do what you want with the linux kernel. I bet you could take it, fork it and call it the GnuRules kernel if you really wanted to.
maybe gnu would get respect if they werent a bunch of whiny bitches. I used to respect them. I used to give them 'props' but the second gnu started being such a bitch, I began to treat them like bitches.
such is life.
I'm a wrestler, one of the few sports completely unaffected by any technological advances. Maybe the only advances applicable would be in nutrition and biological things like that, but when your sport has no real equipment, technology means little.
Really, this is an extremely retarded ask slashdot...what are the answers going to be? My baseball bat is lighter and stronger. Replace baseball bat with golf club, etc. I mean there should be little direct impact of technology on sport, or the sport is sucked out of it. But I suppose we would need to agree on what a sport is for that one...or we run into racecars and other technocentric activities.
A more realistic question would be how has technology enhanced the training aspect of your sport. That makes sense. Golf swing analysis, hell video tapes are an indispensable tool for team sports.
Anyways. Worthless ask slashdot question.
i was not under the impression that putting up a public site/page entitled you to compsensation? I thought it was more a goodwill thing to have pages out there.
Why does the mailorder bride site look like an exact ripoff of hotornot? damn, they are lazy enough to just copy a website but not to skip over hosting it on a hijacked server....
umm actually, its only 'wrong' because of artificial limits placed by copyright. its only 'wrong' because a lot of people once thought it was. alot of people right now must not feel that way. we as a people arent here to support someones business models.
im all for art. im not for mass produced art.
how bout...we go back to the time where your money was made from performing and not from milking something you churned out once.
the whole issue is file sharing is here. NOTHING will stop it. Its like the "war" on drugs. Pointless and fought when a vast majority of people -really dont care-. Its easy to bias a survey...
Do you believe in stealing cds?
Do you believe its wrong to share copies of songs with other people?
And no they are not one and the same.
Maybe cd sales wont be as profitable...so cut the fucking million dollar overhead. its riduculous. Cut the tracks and get out. Sell your cds, perform.
The beast is loose. What are the options...waste TAXPAYER money hunting down people and punishing them for artificial POTENTIAL losses, or give up the ghost and move on.
Maybe there will be no more corporatepop, who cares.
construction companies, trucking firms and others who once used walkie-talkie-like devices to instantly connect to others is thier market. Thats it. Granted its prolly a pretty big chunk of change but theres people acting like it's the next big thing and really its only a walkietalkie replacement.
Still useful to the average consumer? Sure. Itd be like having a walkie talkie with you. Id love to have this service with my phone if I could just push2talk my friends while driving in a caravan or running around the mall or whatnot. I wouldnt pay much extra though.
you missed my point. I agreed with the OP, I was merely pointing out the fact that ATTEMPTING most crimes is in itself ANOTHER DISTINGUISHABLE crime. Does it apply here? Not in my opinion.
So guess what. When you hold someone at gunpoint, ask for their money, then get tackled by a cop....you are guilty of ATTEMPTED robbery. NOT robbery. Thats a DIFFERENT crime.
Amazing stuff! Though it would be nice if you could keep trying to commit a crime till you got it right....
please come out of your shack.
On second thought, stay.
We arent talking theory. We arent talking natural law, we aren't talking moral law. We are talking criminal law. We are talking of laws created that specifically target attempts and label them as a crime.
You may find that silly. You may disagree. But it's true! Please, don't get confused.
An attempt is in itself an act punishable according to law, especially here in the US. This isn't punishing thought crimes, this is covering ATTEMPTS that FAIL. Please note that MURDER and ATTEMPTED MURDER are two distinct seperable crimes. While I will agree that alot of conspiracy laws are quite overboard and nearing very much on thought or more accurately planning crimes, attempted crimes seem perfectly reasonable to me.
But perhaps...you won't mind being shot at by someone who wants you dead. The get arrested, but only for minor gun violations since attempting something isn't a crime. Then they come back and finish the job. Say goodbye to your shack.
So in closing. Attempts are CRIMES! Because the LAW says so. You MAY THINK the LAW is WRONG. Boo hoo. Coming on Slashdot and saying Attempting to commit a crime is not a crime is like crying to your mother that her rules arent fair. You may not like it! You may not think it should be a crime, but neither did the guys in Texas thought sodomy should be a crime. And LOOK! They won!
its because
now get this
its gon seem hard to understand
despite all the wars we fight
democracies dont goto war with other democracies.
why should i feel sorry for the burgular who got 50 years imprisonment?
you dont. but you do feel sorry for the system that cant correllate punishments correctly with their crimes.
did he deserved to be punished? yes. like that? HELL FUCKING NO.
exactly because it isnt murder or robbery is a good example.
exactly because it is information is a good example
unless he worked for them
unless he had a SIGNED NDA
he should not be LIABLE
end of story
give me a fucking break. its information.
you stereotype college degrees because you chose a crappy oversaturated field to go into. You can always leave the technical profession and get a decent paying job elsewhere SOLELY because you are college educated.
;)
But hey, the less college educated the better. I need people to fix my fries.
attempted _____ is in itself a crime but almost ALWAYS have a lot less strigent sentencing requirements. This shit is crazy.
Corporations are getting out of fucking hand.
ratings are soley for parents
theres no other real reason for them
they are for lazy parents and for the smarter ones that use it as a general guideline.
ratings arent for single adults. I mean, hello.
parenting...ummm...i would argue that culture is changing, good or bad, better or worse. look at all the different generations, children were raised in extraordinarily different ways in all of them. The human race is still here. The environment and society is different these days. Travel to other countries, see how their children are raised---all very different. How parents treat their children in public? Come on now. Kids misbehaving? Since the dawn of time. This isnt the 50's anymore.
youre a fucking idiot
there will still be dealerships to sell the vehicles, still be mechanics to fix them and most likely still fuel distribution centers as well.
The oil thing is an international relations problem and will always be something if NOT oil.
As others have said, its capitalism, evolve or die.
unpaid time off is not vacation
honestly. get the fuck over it.
jim has everything for a car...he has a frame, wheels..the rolling chassis.
he sits around with jackshit, just spicing up his rolling chassis when jack invents the engine and transmission.
jacks getting all my credit sorry. hes the one that did something useful
the gnu tools were lying around. linus produced something useful. linus deserves the credit. kinda like IP and copyright sitting around not getting used? so fucking what if it was already around and invented. all that matters is HERE and NOW. and HERE and NOW, linus and his kernel are what has gotten so-called gnu/linux...i just call it linux, where it is today. You want credit? Go play with your gnuhurd. If someone wants to build something using the linux kernel and NOT mention the name you wouldnt see Linus throwing a hissy fit.
jesus
ummm your uses of p2p are just as illegal as anyone else. get off your high horse.
On top of that, what happens to the collectibility of the digital comic book?
its a bit less! hahahahahahhaha
ill be here all week....
they have no intention of disabling, its not easily built into the spec.
ummm...most movies ive watched with directors cuts and commentary usually have the director saying "I hate how this is called directors cut, you saw my cut at the theatre" I love the deleted scenes and such, but 9 times out of ten what you saw in theatre is what the director wanted you to see...even if it is within arbitrary limits like length or whatnot. Or even sexual content! The directors know what they are working with and build around the limits.
Dont like it? Then watch only independent films. I highly doubt anyones cutting to get pg13, in fact usually its the opposite. A movie will get returned with a pg13 and they will recut to R because your average adult will not want to see a pg13 labelled movie.
I agree with the nudity thing, thats our culture. Move? its a slow process to change. But you are way off base with the cutting rant.
Big Label Movies are as much artform as Big Label Music: unless its done by an established *rich* prominent person, the studio is gonna dictate alot. Its a commercial product. like i said...untouched art is independent. Not that bigticket movies arent art, its just that the artist usually does have less control.
can we promote you to /. editor?
havent bought a new cd in prolly 2 years now
and wont
i dont feel that cds are a valueadded product anymore. thier model is outdated and i wont support such a thing. back in the day, i bought a cd weekly.
i still buy movies every once in a while. cause the value i get from a movie is worth it.
I dont buy nonlinux games because I dont run windows. I used to buy a lot of games. I just bought a windows laptop that I really don't want to change to linux on cause its a collegecompatibility machine. Its gon be hard to resist if a tempting game comes along.
point is. no, its hard, its really hard. but once you get in the swing of things its a lil easier. you still have bumps every now and then but it works. does it make a difference in the scheme of things? prolly not. but its the same with my eating healthy, its hard, i have bumps but overall im 437435x better off than most americans. Will I really affect the overall health of America, hell no. Its gon take a revolution. Same with this. Do it for yourself, your own beliefs and not for the cause.
ummm
its not a bullshit argument. no, there may be no inherent RIGHT to the product. Likewise there is no inherent RIGHT to protection. The current protection system is corporateserving and corrupt. Illegal != immoral, as you alluded to.
When a cop pulls me over, I understand why they did. But I may not necessarily think what they did is moral. Insofar as it is their job, yes. But there are towns in my state who use traffic tickets as a sole source of profit. Roads are zoned for tickettaking. Roads that arent profitable are not enforced as much. I find this immoral and a waste of my tax money.
The system is fucked. Do you get uneccesarily mad at the messenger? No. But do you take it up the ass like you really deserved it? No. The line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Im curious though...how DO you rationalize your theft?